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I find it rather sad that I would vigi shot three people if I could: VE, Adam, CJ
Anyway hopeless is digging quite a hole for himself, I don't remember him being apologetic as town at all. In general I also find that people who self-analyze are more likely to be scum, town just have to play, scum have to look at their own play because it's harder to make sense to others.
@ Hopeless
Why do you find the need to look at your own play and conclude you look scummy? You shouldn't, even if you make the wrong decisions. Last game I tried to stop two last-minute lynches and they were both directed at scum, but I never really realized it even after the flips until it got pointed out to me. It didn't bother me either, I had my reasons at the time and since I was town they were townie reasons.
Saying "well but I looked scummy" is stupid, and probably just some form of guilt because you're actually scum.
Anyway, best thing for you to do is to stop defending yourself and try to scumhunt. I think the election is all sewn up anyway. Stop setup speculating and start helping us find out who to lynch other than you (if you're town).
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You seem to not mention Oats basically calling me scum D1, other than that that's basically how I recall the game going, yes.
There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others.
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On November 26 2012 20:56 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I find it rather sad that I would vigi shot three people if I could: VE, Adam, CJ
Any reason other than my post count?
Ehhh, yes and no. Your last couple of posts are basically posts proclaiming you're still around, but then nothing comes from it.
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Let me put it this way, you're one of those people that could easily be scum but it would be really hard to lynch you. Hence the vigi shot comment.
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You are both reacting rather violently despite him saying "without reading filters, if I had to pick"
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 20:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
You seem to not mention Oats basically calling me scum D1, other than that that's basically how I recall the game going, yes.
There's nothing wrong with summarizing information like this, Dieno, but realize that there's no real original input from you when it comes to this. You put work into it and I really appreciate that, but I would like to see you make some observations of people on your own, rather than summarize those of others. I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it  And if you really think what I'm doing is just summarizing the game, then you are unfortunately misunderstanding the whole purpose. While you guys are debating each other and sifting through filters to dig up evidence for cases, I'm documenting it all. Then, I can take a step back and look for patterns and connections that you guys might miss because you are too wrapped up in what people are saying, rather than why they are saying it or who they are saying it to. Once a few more people flip, you'll be able to look back at the maps and be like, "oh snap, this guy who has been exposed as mafia has been supporting this guy all game" etc. Once one domino falls, the rest will be sure to quickly follow. I just hope I can stay alive long enough to make sure it happens.
Although I need to go back and read, I generally have a good memory when it comes to how people interacted with others. I'm not saying I don't understand what you're doing, I'm saying that next to you "documenting" (which is summarizing, so you're arguing semantics IMO) you should also do some scumhunting of your own.
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Syllo how strongly do you feel about hapa being town?
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Dienosore wrote:I did say that oats gave you flak on d1, maybe you just missed it
You said D2 actually, but it doesn't matter.
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On November 26 2012 21:54 Promethelax wrote:
okay so 10, 12, 14
16+18+20+22+24+26 = 126
Or 5 days 6 hours from now.
Seems rather random?
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On November 26 2012 22:00 Promethelax wrote:
and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum.
When you were "bluffing" that marv and whoever else (I forget) got roleblocked because they targetted syllo, weren't you working under the assumption that you were the only roleblock ability?
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On November 26 2012 22:13 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, you forget that this is how we found out what ability Sand used on Syllo? And that it was Sand who I bluffed into telling us that he had targeted Syllo.
Acro: do you understand now with my explanation? There is no alignment revealing aspect of my ability.
Could we please know the order of role resolution? Thank you
I'm just trying to figure out your thinking when it came to that bluff. What if marv just got roleblocked by scum/town and he said "no I didn't target syllo, you're lying". How do you talk your way out of that? You would call marv a liar in that case? Or explain your ability at that point?
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On November 26 2012 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
also, could everyone agree with me about kita, please.
Trying to put the pieces together, could you expand on your thoughts?
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On November 26 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 22:20 marvellosity wrote:
also, could everyone agree with me about kita, please. Trying to put the pieces together, could you expand on your thoughts? He fits the typical 3rd party profile. Kinda has town interests at heart, but only ish - for example his stuff on sandroba. But is posting less and is less incisive than I expect to see from town kita. With regards to part of his wincon being in a party, successful or no, he ran for party leader day 1, and his only meaningful post this cycle was insisting he had demonstrated his townieness and should be included in the party, even though absolutely no-one else thinks that. As regards to the games, they seem out of place as a method for anyone to deal damage. Then there is the fact that mysteriously he's had both games now and no-one else has. It makes much more sense that it's part of his role that he has to play these games than they were inflicted upon him.
Yeah, I can see that that is more likely 3rd party than town, but the thing that I'm certain of is that he's not scum at this point.... Meaning we can leave him alone, right?
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Adam must have one helluva meta.... Guess I'll go check, any game suggestions?
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If there is a townie with a kill-shot they should shoot toad, but otherwise don't bother, because if he doesn't die tonight odds are he'll be lynched tomorrow, making the use of your ability wasteful.
I definitely understand where you're coming from Djo, you want this to be something like a lurker lynch policy, but I have to go with marv, shoot for scum... not lurkers. If you can find a lurker that's scummy feel free to shoot them though.
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On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 02:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Yes, it is completely devoid of logic. I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier:
Made me laugh.
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one).
Why is everyone so much smarter than I am.
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On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me?
Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book.
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On November 27 2012 04:46 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 04:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless:
1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so.
2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). Why is everyone so much smarter than I am. ... so you unequivocally agree with me? Yeah, it makes sense. Not to call him confirmed or anything if toad flips red but it would clear him in my book. I think you are misreading what hapa wrote. He wrote that if Toad flips red, then Hopeless is town. To me this feels like a greasy move to do some damage control for the mafia.
No, I understood him just fine.
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