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On December 02 2012 09:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:50 yamato77 wrote:On December 02 2012 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip. Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue. Just because someone says they are blue does not make them blue. There might only be one blue and that person is letting these stupid claims go through. It looks suspicious to just call Oats and Jacob "confirmed" right now. There are two blues in 9 player setups. Either cop/jk or cop/doc. Has always been that way. The lack of counterclaims pretty much means they are confirmed. It's balance.
Looking at Newbie Mini XXXII, there are setups with one and no blues. This setup is also partially closed to us so you can't say for sure that there are ANY blues. Nor can you say for sure that the lack of counterclaims means they are confirmed, even if there are two blues. Certainty on alignment is a luxury reserved for the dead and scum, are you scum?
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On December 02 2012 09:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:01 yamato77 wrote:
And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town. Obviously lynching a confirmed doctor is better. If you can't see why the lynch was beneficial for town, sorry bro.
Losing a town player is NEVER beneficial for town. OATS ISN'T EVEN CONFIRMED.
Dude you sound so much like scum it's stupid.
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Goon + Roleblocker, Doctor + Cop, five Townies
2 Goons, Cop, Named VT + five Townies
2 Goons, Doctor, Named VT + five Townies
Goon + Roleblocker, two Named VT + five Townies
Are the possible setups for XXXII. Notice the only ones without blues have named townies. This setup has no named townies. The first possible setup is the balanced one for this. except scum might have a framer instead of a RBer. Lol @ no blues. That would be way too biased for scum.
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On December 02 2012 09:09 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:01 yamato77 wrote:
And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town. Obviously lynching a confirmed doctor is better. If you can't see why the lynch was beneficial for town, sorry bro. Losing a town player is NEVER beneficial for town. OATS ISN'T EVEN CONFIRMED. Dude you sound so much like scum it's stupid.
So do you.
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Oats is confirmed because SDM friggen DIED. If there was a JK he would have protected SDM the obvious target. Oats is doc.
There are two blues because it's BALANCED. Two blue claims and no counterclaims.
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Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional.
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On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional.
I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town.
Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information.
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On December 02 2012 09:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oats is confirmed because SDM friggen DIED. If there was a JK he would have protected SDM the obvious target. Oats is doc.
There are two blues because it's BALANCED. Two blue claims and no counterclaims.
Still speculation. OP clearly says amounts of roles are not CONFIRMED so you can't just throw that word around to make yourself and Oats look town.
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Are you implying Oats and I are scumteam lolol
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On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information.
This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2.
If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team.
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You're making a lot of assumptions about these "confirmed" ideas you throw around. Town would not make this many assumptions. Assumptions come back and bite town in the ass.
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On December 02 2012 09:16 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information. This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2. If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team.
First of all -- Oats and I were at each others throats the entire game. See my big ass case on him. There is absolutely no way we're scum team.
The other blues would have counterclaimed by now. A doctor would have claimed D2 to out Oats. There is absolutely no reason why Oats is not the Doctor. Tbh, If me and Oats were scumteam I would have bussed his ass so hard.
Your opposition of this lynch is based solely on the fact that you don't think their are two blues. Trust me, for it to be a balanced setup, there are two blues.
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On December 02 2012 09:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:16 yamato77 wrote:On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information. This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2. If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team. First of all -- Oats and I were at each others throats the entire game. See my big ass case on him. There is absolutely no way we're scum team. The other blues would have counterclaimed by now. A doctor would have claimed D2 to out Oats. There is absolutely no reason why Oats is not the Doctor. Tbh, If me and Oats were scumteam I would have bussed his ass so hard. Your opposition of this lynch is based solely on the fact that you don't think their are two blues. Trust me, for it to be a balanced setup, there are two blues.
You are ASSUMING doctor would counterclaim. You are also ASSUMING that people would believe the counterclaim and actually lynch Oats, if the real doctor counterclaimed. If there even is a doctor at all. Cop/JK is a possibility even if there are two blues. This is not convincing enough for me to just take Oats as "confirmed doctor". The fact that you are taking it for granted based on these ASSUMPTIONS you are making is really suspicious.
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On December 02 2012 09:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 09:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:16 yamato77 wrote:On December 02 2012 09:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 09:12 yamato77 wrote:
Basically you are trying to turn around how bad your play was with these really bad assumptions you are making. Of course the dumbass who started a wagon on a town player would want to do this because it makes him look like he "saved" a blue. You're either scum covering his ass for a shit play or delusional. I should have lynched you when I got the chance. You're either scum or pretty oblivious town. Please, why the fuck would a scum want to start a wagon on a VT over killing the Doctor? It makes no sense for scum. At least with the Aqua lynch we got some information. This logic relies heavily on Oats actually BEING the doctor which is NOT confirmed. EVEN IF there are two blues, the other doc/JK could NOT want to counterclaim and have saved SDM N1 and been unable to N2. If Oats is scum the play makes perfect sense which means Oats/CC scum team. First of all -- Oats and I were at each others throats the entire game. See my big ass case on him. There is absolutely no way we're scum team. The other blues would have counterclaimed by now. A doctor would have claimed D2 to out Oats. There is absolutely no reason why Oats is not the Doctor. Tbh, If me and Oats were scumteam I would have bussed his ass so hard. Your opposition of this lynch is based solely on the fact that you don't think their are two blues. Trust me, for it to be a balanced setup, there are two blues. You are ASSUMING doctor would counterclaim. You are also ASSUMING that people would believe the counterclaim and actually lynch Oats, if the real doctor counterclaimed. If there even is a doctor at all. Cop/JK is a possibility even if there are two blues. This is not convincing enough for me to just take Oats as "confirmed doctor". The fact that you are taking it for granted based on these ASSUMPTIONS you are making is really suspicious.
A doctor would counterclaim, there is no other way around it. It's a 1 for 1 trade for mafia. A doctor would have claimed 100%. There is no reason for a scum to fake counterclaim and lynch Oats anyway, that's stupid. A JK would have protected SDM, the obvious NK target so there is no JK.
These aren't just assumptions. It's not like someone said "Okay these two guys are randomly blue" and I believed them. I'm confirming Oats because of lack of claim doc/jk claim.
I get it, you think I'm suspicious. You're a broken record. Welcome back to Day 1. I know Helo is scum, and either you or Kickstart is.
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Btw there is 100% a doctor or JK. Scum didn't kill N1. You can't explain that without Doc or JK.
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EVEN IF Oats is blue and Jacob is blue, that STILL doesn't make your D2 actions any better. You are justifying them post-hoc which is totally a scum play. Better play would have been actually hunting scum instead of making up really terrible cases just to get Aqua lynched instead of Oats. It could have been a no lynch. I gave you guys the out and you actually responded that it "wasn't an option". Why? Your cases on Aqua were bad and players had reservations about voting for him but for some reason they did. You pushed the wagon real hard.
If you look at it from my perspective, that scum Oats claimed blue to save his own ass, and YOU started the wagon that ultimately did save him, then it looks hilariously suspicious. Unless you can prove with GOOD, SOLID logic that Oats is town then I remain unconvinced. I admit I might be wrong but there really isn't any evidence that this isn't the case.
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On December 02 2012 09:38 yamato77 wrote:
EVEN IF Oats is blue and Jacob is blue, that STILL doesn't make your D2 actions any better. You are justifying them post-hoc which is totally a scum play. Better play would have been actually hunting scum instead of making up really terrible cases just to get Aqua lynched instead of Oats. It could have been a no lynch. I gave you guys the out and you actually responded that it "wasn't an option". Why? Your cases on Aqua were bad and players had reservations about voting for him but for some reason they did. You pushed the wagon real hard.
If you look at it from my perspective, that scum Oats claimed blue to save his own ass, and YOU started the wagon that ultimately did save him, then it looks hilariously suspicious. Unless you can prove with GOOD, SOLID logic that Oats is town then I remain unconvinced. I admit I might be wrong but there really isn't any evidence that this isn't the case.
Not really, people were going to either lynch Oats or lynch someone else. I don't think a no lynch would fly. I didn't push the wagon hard. I literally told people do what they wanted to, and I put it out there as an alternative.
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On November 30 2012 11:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
>Talks about Yamato
>Wild Yamato appears
No lynch is not an option at this point i dont think.
Fucking liar.
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On December 02 2012 09:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 11:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
>Talks about Yamato
>Wild Yamato appears
No lynch is not an option at this point i dont think. Fucking liar.
I didn't lie? I literally said it's not an option. As in, people won't go for the no lynch.
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Not only that but you kept posting shit about "all aboard the Aqua train"
Honestly who gives that little of a fuck about who gets lynched? It's all about saving Oats to you in that play. I don't see how a town player would want to mislynch another town just because he wants to save a "blue" that isn't even close to "confirmed" when he has railed on that player the entire game. I thought he was scum and the blue claim looked like saving his own ass. You thought he was scum beforehand and the blue claim actually changed your opinion on him? Is the lack of a counterclaim really that conclusive to you? Because it's not to me.
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