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First off I see Oats has made another one of his cases on me, a meta case at that. This is my second game, and my first game I was in a pretty "high-level" game, looking at how I played in my first game, when I had no idea what I was doing and when I was NOT in a noobie friendly game is not going to give you any information.
The reason I sat on Oats was because I felt he was scum, everything leading up to his claim and even his claim was scummy to me. Now I have to admit that it is very unlikely he lied (due to there never being a counter claim) and that I beleive he is the Doctor. At the time he was scummy (and Aqua was never really scummy to me, definitely not more so than players like Yamato, Jacob, Helo), so had I been awake I was not going to vote Aqua anyways. I have and will continue putting my vote on who I think is the scum.
And so what if I have only pushed my Oats and Yamato scum reads, they are who I found most scummy. Oats not anymore but still Yamato. Did I think other players were scummy? Yes. But those two stuck out for the entire game so that is who I focused on. I am really not going to defend my consistent voting record against all of your emotional last minute vote swapping that keeps getting townies killed. Again my vote always has, and always will be on my top scumreads.
As for a nolynch I am not so sure, my immediate thought is that it gives scum more time (because they will still get to use their NKs), on the other hand - if we have a cop, and he has found/can find both scum, then he can present his findings and the game is basically won.
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On December 02 2012 02:32 Kickstart wrote:
First off I see Oats has made another one of his cases on me, a meta case at that. This is my second game, and my first game I was in a pretty "high-level" game, looking at how I played in my first game, when I had no idea what I was doing and when I was NOT in a noobie friendly game is not going to give you any information.
The reason I sat on Oats was because I felt he was scum, everything leading up to his claim and even his claim was scummy to me. Now I have to admit that it is very unlikely he lied (due to there never being a counter claim) and that I beleive he is the Doctor. At the time he was scummy (and Aqua was never really scummy to me, definitely not more so than players like Yamato, Jacob, Helo), so had I been awake I was not going to vote Aqua anyways. I have and will continue putting my vote on who I think is the scum.
And so what if I have only pushed my Oats and Yamato scum reads, they are who I found most scummy. Oats not anymore but still Yamato. Did I think other players were scummy? Yes. But those two stuck out for the entire game so that is who I focused on. I am really not going to defend my consistent voting record against all of your emotional last minute vote swapping that keeps getting townies killed. Again my vote always has, and always will be on my top scumreads.
As for a nolynch I am not so sure, my immediate thought is that it gives scum more time (because they will still get to use their NKs), on the other hand - if we have a cop, and he has found/can find both scum, then he can present his findings and the game is basically won.
Lol, so you're saying we should have lynched a doctor claim with absolutely no counterclaim? Someone seems angry that I pulled a good play D2 rather than lynching a now-confirmed town. Hah, all of the last minute emotional voting - hilarious. We actually care about who's lynched. You don't. You just don't want to be responsible for a townie lynch either way.
Pushing Yamato and Oats is the easy way for a scum to seem like they're scumhunting, because they are so obviously exhibiting scummy behavior. You were also way behind me in the Yamato read.
What do you think about Helo right now?
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You are being retarded. I said that I would not have voted Aqua, but I would maybe have voted someone who I actually felt was scummy. And if I had a read on someone after you did so the fuck what, I presented a large and pretty good case on Yamato (and feel there is more to add if I don't have to spend the entirety of this day period responding to questions and defending myself against stupid logic).
As for Helo, earlier I had a null read on him due to him not saying much. Since then he has continued to not be around much and he was involved in the whole Aqua lynch (he is probably the most suspicious vote out of the entire thing), the fact that I still look at him and say "eh not much to go on" is sort of an indictment in itself. So I would say he is scummy. I will still be pushing on Yamato because he is still my strongest scum read and I can make a strong case on him I feel.
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And getting a townie killed in a 30-minute till deadline shitty vote swap is not an amazing play. The fact that you are sticking to this is scummy as fuck - especially since you were the first to switch, in effect pushing the lynch off of Oats and onto Aqua. I care about who is lynched too, that is why I am pissed you lynched a townie with some of the most shit reasons and antics I have ever seen. So for you to say that I don't care about who gets lynched when you fucking got a townie killed and are spouting that it was some fucking amazing play is something I won't stand for. You aren't going to tell me I don't care about who gets lynched, when you have gotten two townies lynched so far and even pushed the lynch on the second one who wasn't scummy at all - seriously fuck you.
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Heloknight: Oatsmaster,
Kickstart: Oatsmaster
No Lynch: JacobStrangelove
Not Voting:HeloKnight, Mr. Cheesecake, Kickstart, Yamato77
There are 33 hours left in the cycle, currently no one is set to be lynched
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HeloKnight is 100% SCUM
Let's look at this logically.
Oats is town, and Jacob is town. Confirmed blue roles. I'm town. Of course, you guys can't confirm that without a flip, but you're just going to have to roll with me on this one.
Kickstart, Yamato, Heloknight are the scum candidates. 2 of them are scum 100%.
Kickstart has a huge suspicion of Yamato, complete with a case and all. He pushes for his lynch, even keeping his vote on him D1 when he could have easily been lynched. By this regard, Kickstart / Yamato are NOT the scumteam. One of them is scum, one is not.
HeloKnight is the common factor here. Neither Kick nor Yamato have really pressured him at all. In fact, Yamato says that Helo is clearly not scum, rofl. Helo has to be scum because the only cases he has are on Jacob and Oats - both townies.
The scumteam is either Helo / Yamato or Helo / Kickstart. Helo is SCUM.
##Vote: HeloKnight
LOL Kickstart!!! You are totally putting the blame on me, scum. Lynching Aqua was the BEST thing that could have happened yesterday, with the exception of killing scum. We lynch Oats, we are down a blue role and confirmed town. We lynch Aqua, we lose a town sure but we can't confirm him town D3 like we can Oats.
I got two townies lynched so far, heh. If Oats was lynched YOU would have gotten him lynched, and who would be to blame then? Also, it was a ~2 hour vote swap.
The fact that you're blaming me for two townie lynches is a scumtell if I've seen any. Way to not take responsibility for anything in this game. Do something useful. Go push your Yamato lynch. Helo is scum.
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I am not putting the blame on you because there are lots of people responsible, but you said it exactly right - that hitting scum would have been better, and in my opinion Aqua was not a scummy player and not someone I would have voted for.
For now all I have to say is be wary of anyone (LIKE CHEESE) saying they know who the scum are, because if you vote with him and are wrong (he is actually scum) then you fucking lose. His play recently is really suspicious to me, starts a wagon onto a town, gets the townie lynched, and then uses it as town cred and goes around making some absurd statement that he made an amazing D2 play and uses this position to push a vote onto anyone but himself - I call bullshit.
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On December 02 2012 03:16 Kickstart wrote:
I am not putting the blame on you because there are lots of people responsible, but you said it exactly right - that hitting scum would have been better, and in my opinion Aqua was not a scummy player and not someone I would have voted for.
For now all I have to say is be wary of anyone (LIKE CHEESE) saying they know who the scum are, because if you vote with him and are wrong (he is actually scum) then you fucking lose. His play recently is really suspicious to me, starts a wagon onto a town, gets the townie lynched, and then uses it as town cred and goes around making some absurd statement that he made an amazing D2 play and uses this position to push a vote onto anyone but himself - I call bullshit.
Yes be wary of me. Just wonder: Who the fuck is my scumbuddy? Obviously not Yamato, I nearly got him lynched. Not you Kickstart. Not Helo because I'm pushing his lynch right now like hell (although, i could be bussing him, which is possible).
Kickstart: What the fuck is the scum motivation for starting a wagon on a different townie? I could have just gotten the doctor lynched ez. As a town, the better thing to do was to take a stab into the dark and lynch someone who might be scum, and save our doctor. It was a good play whether you like it or not. We have a confirmed townie instead of a wish-washy townie because of it.
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Also, Kickstart, I like how you blame me for Munks lynch. If I recall, Helo started the wagon on the lurker.
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Again, many people are to blame for both lynches, and yes I think you are right, Helo was the first to vote Munk-E. I don't know who your scumbuddy would be or if you are even scum. I am just saying to everyone to not be too hasty to buy whatever anyone is selling right now, because if we don't hit scum this time we lose. (atm it is 4v2, we myslynch it is 3v2. scum get a NK off and it is 2v2 and they win). This is the most important day period of the game.
I have to run some errands, when I get back I will start looking into certain people. Just wanted to let everyone know the importance of getting this right.
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We have over an entire day to discuss it.
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Heloknight: Oatsmaster, Mr Cheesecake
Kickstart: Oatsmaster
No Lynch: JacobStrangelove
Not Voting:HeloKnight, Kickstart, Yamato77
There are 31 hours left in the cycle, currently no one is set to be lynched
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Yes, it was a 1.75 hour vote swap that I was opposed to for the first 1.5 hours. So in reality, it was a 5 minute time period for me to make the decision to switch. The fact that you throw suspicion onto me for this is ridiculous. As scum, why on earth would I switch? Everyone was telling the doctor/JK NOT to claim and everyone was saying Oats was really suspicious. When Oats flipped blue, I would have been under VERY LITTLE suspicion because there was no reason to trust his claim anyway, as you yourself said You say that scum doesn't care if Oats or Aqua is lynched, that is NOT TRUE. Scum would want the claimed blue and confirmed townie lynched 100%. There was no reason for me to hammer Aqua as scum.
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I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip.
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On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip.
Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue.
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On December 02 2012 07:02 HeloKnight wrote:
Yes, it was a 1.75 hour vote swap that I was opposed to for the first 1.5 hours. So in reality, it was a 5 minute time period for me to make the decision to switch. The fact that you throw suspicion onto me for this is ridiculous. As scum, why on earth would I switch? Everyone was telling the doctor/JK NOT to claim and everyone was saying Oats was really suspicious. When Oats flipped blue, I would have been under VERY LITTLE suspicion because there was no reason to trust his claim anyway, as you yourself said You say that scum doesn't care if Oats or Aqua is lynched, that is NOT TRUE. Scum would want the claimed blue and confirmed townie lynched 100%. There was no reason for me to hammer Aqua as scum.
Then why the fuck you change your opinion in the last 5 minutes? You had that entire 2 hours to make a decision. The only reason you switched was to avoid the suspicion of lynching the doctor. By switching, it's entirely not your fault that Aqua is lynched. You covered this up by giving some sorry "oh gee wiz i really don't know!" thing. I know you're scum. It's the only scenario that makes sense. Kick/yamato can't be in the scumteam together because Kick pushes him hard, and had his vote on him D1 when him being lynched was a real possibility.
Helo / Yamato scum
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Helo / Kickstart scum
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On December 02 2012 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip. Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue.
Just because someone says they are blue does not make them blue. There might only be one blue and that person is letting these stupid claims go through.
It looks suspicious to just call Oats and Jacob "confirmed" right now.
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And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town.
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On December 02 2012 08:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 02 2012 08:23 yamato77 wrote:
I don't understand this "confirmed townie" talk. No one is confirmed town until they flip. Oats and Jacob are confirmed because they are blue. Just because someone says they are blue does not make them blue. There might only be one blue and that person is letting these stupid claims go through. It looks suspicious to just call Oats and Jacob "confirmed" right now.
There are two blues in 9 player setups. Either cop/jk or cop/doc. Has always been that way. The lack of counterclaims pretty much means they are confirmed. It's balance.
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On December 02 2012 09:01 yamato77 wrote:
And WTF at calling Aqua's lynch a "good" play. Lynching town is never a good play if you are town.
Obviously lynching a confirmed doctor is better. If you can't see why the lynch was beneficial for town, sorry bro.
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