EPTFirst of all, Cheesecake made a post that "proves me" scum. I am in the same situation as him right now, because scum has to be two of Kickstart, yamato and Cheesecake. Since a Kickstart/yamato team is not likely, Cheesecake is 100% scum to me already. This post is to demonstrate to you all how Cheesecake is scum.
The Aqua Switch: At first, this didn't seem like something scum Cheesecake would do, but the reason for it is that he didn't think Aqua would actually get lynched. He thought he could get free town cred by going after Aqua d2, getting blue Oats lynched anyway, and then going after Aqua easy d3. Let's look at his reasons for voting Oats and then for starting the Aqua wagon:
On November 30 2012 08:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
No breadcrumb? Wtf? How the hell am I supposed to believe that... breadcrumbs are super easy to make. I really don't see us lynching anyone else at this point, either. Shit. If he's not scum then this game makes no sense anymore. I was pretty convinced he was scum after my longass post on him. . . He just fits so many categories of scumminess that I can't discount it. If he is really blue, I'm going to be mindfuck'd because I don't see a blue attracting so much suspicion (on purpose?) D1. He could have been easily up for lynch D1 and been forced to claim then because of his actions.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
(wifom) Also, the Doc might not want to claim because they know Oats is going to get lynched anyway.
No breadcrumb? Wtf? How the hell am I supposed to believe that... breadcrumbs are super easy to make. I really don't see us lynching anyone else at this point, either. Shit. If he's not scum then this game makes no sense anymore. I was pretty convinced he was scum after my longass post on him. . . He just fits so many categories of scumminess that I can't discount it. If he is really blue, I'm going to be mindfuck'd because I don't see a blue attracting so much suspicion (on purpose?) D1. He could have been easily up for lynch D1 and been forced to claim then because of his actions.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
(wifom) Also, the Doc might not want to claim because they know Oats is going to get lynched anyway.
On December 01 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why I started the Aqua wagon
- No opposition to the Doc claim
- The setup is either Cop / doc or Cop / JK (doc/jk is OP in this setup, no way it's possible)
- A doc would have claimed 100%
- A JK would have likely claimed if he jailed SDM (or someone else for that matter)
Why I started the Aqua wagon
- No opposition to the Doc claim
- The setup is either Cop / doc or Cop / JK (doc/jk is OP in this setup, no way it's possible)
- A doc would have claimed 100%
- A JK would have likely claimed if he jailed SDM (or someone else for that matter)
So first he points out all of the problems with Oats' claim: super scummy play the whole game, no breadcrumb, attracting tons of suspicion, etc. But then he starts the Aqua wagon while all of those points still stand. All of his reasons for the Aqua wagon revolve around the real Doctor counter-claiming. But we specifically told the Doctor not to claim. SDM even made a long post about why the Doctor shouldn't claim that Cheesecake apparently didn't read:
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On November 30 2012 02:42 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I don't think I can make it easier than this:
Exhibit A: Why we don't want just doc to counterclaim.
Exhibit B: Why we don't want to counterclaim with doc but not JK
1. We don't want both doc and JK to counterclaim.
2. We don't want just doc to counterclaim
Conclusion: We don't want to counterclaim, we want to lynch Oats
I don't think I can make it easier than this:
Exhibit A: Why we don't want just doc to counterclaim.
Exhibit B: Why we don't want to counterclaim with doc but not JK
1. We don't want both doc and JK to counterclaim.
2. We don't want just doc to counterclaim
Conclusion: We don't want to counterclaim, we want to lynch Oats
Of course the real Doctor wouldn't have counterclaimed, so there was NO reason to trust Oats' claim. Cheesecakes reasons for lynching Oats were still valid, but he starts the wagon on Aqua anyway. Scum reasons for this: get town cred, set up an easy Aqua mislynch tomorrow. Town reasons: ???. He is even insisting that it was a good idea now, when it clearly wasn't. He's constantly saying that he saved us from a blue mislynch, even though he had no reason to think that Oats was actually blue. He says that a Doctor would have claimed, but the Doctor was told not to claim. He is trying hard to look townie for starting the wagon when he never actually wanted Aqua lynched at all.
Also look at this super scummy quote he posted after Aqua flipped:
On November 30 2012 12:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
At least I'm keeping things interesting. Obs would have been bored as fuck if we just waited for the Oats lynch, Game's about having fun, amirite? :p
Anyway, time for bed.
At least I'm keeping things interesting. Obs would have been bored as fuck if we just waited for the Oats lynch, Game's about having fun, amirite? :p
Anyway, time for bed.
Attacking Me and The Munk-E Lynch: Cheesecake has been attacking me for a last minute vote switch.
On December 01 2012 12:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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I see the reason for the Oats sheep, and to a certain degree, SDM / Jacob. Helo on the other hand, kept saying "Oh, gee wiz, I just don't know!" From the second I posted my case, to the last 15 minutes of the day. This stands out to me. Why the last minute switch? You had a ton of time to decide. Too busy discussing the implications with Z-bo and your scumbuddy? Town Helo has no reason to switch like this, because he was opposed to the entire thing. But suddenly, as if from nowhere, he switches his vote for some random ass paragraph I gave in response to him.
Even more damning, he justifies it by saying "Omg I had like one minute left!" when in reality he had like 2 hours since I made my case.
[irrelevent stuff omitted]
I see the reason for the Oats sheep, and to a certain degree, SDM / Jacob. Helo on the other hand, kept saying "Oh, gee wiz, I just don't know!" From the second I posted my case, to the last 15 minutes of the day. This stands out to me. Why the last minute switch? You had a ton of time to decide. Too busy discussing the implications with Z-bo and your scumbuddy? Town Helo has no reason to switch like this, because he was opposed to the entire thing. But suddenly, as if from nowhere, he switches his vote for some random ass paragraph I gave in response to him.
Even more damning, he justifies it by saying "Omg I had like one minute left!" when in reality he had like 2 hours since I made my case.
He says it's "damning" to justify my vote by saying I had little time, when he did the exact same thing to justify his switch onto Munk-E. He also misrepresents the amount of time I had to decide, which I have already explained.
On November 28 2012 05:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@SDM
Okay I'm going to make this clear: I should have kept my vote on Yamato. Switching over to Munk was a huge mistake on my part, because I was so damn confused at the situation. Why were people sheeping onto my case so quickly? What was the deal with Munk? Why did Kick put his vote on Yamato? ("that's all I needed to hear") quote. This, and Yamato kept making me feel bad with his whiny posts.
I had to leave early and made one of those quick spur of the moment decisions that should never be made, but you do it anyway. We can blame the mislynch on me, go ahead, but I'm just confused as to why people followed in my wake. When I got back 8 mins before lynch, I was so surprised people were sticking so hard to the lurker lynch over Yamato. In those 8 minutes I reevaluated my decision and realized "Shit, why did I do that? If Yamato doesn't get lynched I'm just going to keep wondering" but at that point it was too late.
@SDM
Okay I'm going to make this clear: I should have kept my vote on Yamato. Switching over to Munk was a huge mistake on my part, because I was so damn confused at the situation. Why were people sheeping onto my case so quickly? What was the deal with Munk? Why did Kick put his vote on Yamato? ("that's all I needed to hear") quote. This, and Yamato kept making me feel bad with his whiny posts.
I had to leave early and made one of those quick spur of the moment decisions that should never be made, but you do it anyway. We can blame the mislynch on me, go ahead, but I'm just confused as to why people followed in my wake. When I got back 8 mins before lynch, I was so surprised people were sticking so hard to the lurker lynch over Yamato. In those 8 minutes I reevaluated my decision and realized "Shit, why did I do that? If Yamato doesn't get lynched I'm just going to keep wondering" but at that point it was too late.
Also note that he says that "we can blame the mislynch on him". The only possible purpose of this is to seem more townie by being "honest" and "taking responsibility". However, when it stops working in his favor, he of course redacts that statement:
On December 02 2012 03:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also, Kickstart, I like how you blame me for Munks lynch. If I recall, Helo started the wagon on the lurker.
Also, Kickstart, I like how you blame me for Munks lynch. If I recall, Helo started the wagon on the lurker.
In addition, he says that the Munk-E lynch was completely my fault, not his. This contradicts his previous statement about taking responsibility for the mislynch and throws suspicion on me for my lurker vote, even though he said in his first post that he was fine with lynching a lurker:
On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk.
Greetings gentlemen!
A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:
1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?
For me:
1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk.
As I've said before, no viable scum read presented itself to me d1. So why would a town Cheesecake attack me for doing exactly what he said was good to do in his opening post?
In Conclusion: Cheesecake is scum because he:
- starts the Aqua wagon while having no reason to trust Oats' claim
- touts how townie he is for starting the Aqua wagon
- ignores the fact that the Doctor was being told not to counterclaim
- attacks me for a last-minute vote switch after last-minute switching to Munk-E
- takes responsibility for the Munk-E lynch for no reason, and then says it was my fault
- blames me for the Munk-E lynch, even though I did exactly what he said we should do in his first post
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
