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I've lurked the forums awhile but no I have not played one before. I have the time so I would feel comfortable. But your game, your rules - just let me know. | ||
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Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed? | ||
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On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote: Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. | ||
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So some of my own thoughts. The snb stuff is silly, I see no reason to vote for him at the moment. With this I think the bandwagon is unwarranted and will be keeping an eye on those who just jumped on without saying anything. I also asked Hapa that question because I felt his posts were scummy. I felt they bogged down the discussion (talking about rules, casting doubt, etc) instead of promoting it and am trying to work out what I think about his response to it that he will just let his posts speak for themselves. | ||
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Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hum I need something more controversial then. Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned! ##Vote DarthPunk I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ : + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan. I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there. He then unvotes DP just to revote him: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk ('fo real this time) Which he unvotes again -_- And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote: Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly). | ||
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So @SnB: I think you need to defend your post a bit better and try to put this bandwagon to rest. Answer the questions people have put forth and explain yourself clearly so we can move on. | ||
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I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive. Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not. ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote. With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back! | ||
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For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else. I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why. ##Vote: Hapahauli and @Hapa No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads. | ||
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That was basically my point: At worst you are scum and trying to save yourself, at best you are jailkeeper and won't get to make use of it. | ||
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On November 14 2012 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Looking at debears, there's not much to say other than there's not much substance in his 4-page filter. Lots of short, 1/2 line posts with banter. He jumps on Hopeless really quickly, who's one of the easier targets in the game. He's then pretty quick to jump on iamperfection, and has been pushing that "read" since. As previously stated, his "vote post" looks like an overkill-case. But the thing that really sticks out to me is that he's been tunneling iamperfection for the last few hours yet still has his vote on Hopeless. He's using a lot of strong language against iamperfection (much stronger than against hopeless), and from his filter it looks like iamperfection is his top scumread. At this point he's much more content to push the read on iamperfection than his one on Hopeless, and I see no townie reason why his vote isn't where his mouth is. ##Unvote ##Vote debears This is your post for voting debears. Your reasoning is fine and I get where you are coming from, I just view his actions differently so far. I think debears has been pressuring people and creating discussion. You fault him for hard pushing his read and creating an "over-kill" case, how is that scummy? As I said I would like other people input on how they read you and I do intend to further formulate my opinion based on whether others read you as town/scum/null | ||
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and I see we are quickly posting back and forth so I will just reiterate on: On November 14 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote: Your logic right now: "I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk" "I still don't like his posting before or after the claim " "I would love to flip him just to see" ...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player. Yeah ok. That totally makes sense. Again, I am reading both you and BH as scummy. I was going to vote him and if he flipped red auto vote you, but now that he jk claimed I am just as content to do the opposite - vote you and if you flip red vote him. And the above should do fine in response to BHs snarky comment. My voting has nothing to do with being a man or not, you are overusing that line. I am keeping my vote on Hapa for now  , and if he does get lynched and flips red, I will gladly vote for you immediatly. | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:25 Hapahauli wrote: I don't. Your logic is completely disproportionate. You show every indication of wanting BH dead and are very eager about "flipping" him. You don't trust his claim, don't like his posts, don't like anything about him, then magically twist your vote on me because apparently you don't like a "bandwagon" I started. Yet you sympathize with my logic, yet disagree with it by ignoring all of my emphasized points. It. Makes. No. Sense. And I"m having a very difficult time figuring out if you're just dense about it or you have a mafia motive for all of this. You don't, I do - that is ok with me. Having a scum read on both you and BH and voting you over him is not as big of a leap as you are trying to make it sound. And I have not "magically twisted my vote" on you, I have given my view on you from the beginning, and unlike some - have voted once, and not by way of bandwagon. | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:33 Blazinghand wrote: kickstart is bad or scum either way he can ne ignored This is clutch from someone who cries for pages about marv being mean to him and from someone who blue claims day 1. | ||
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On November 14 2012 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote: You're fine with flipping either of two vets? I'm not comfortable lynching either bh marv or hapa on D1 unless there's some huge scumslip. You are not the first to post this thing about not wanting to lynch vets on D1, and I can understand that sentiment. I am just going off of what I see from this game, and I've given my views on Hapa, and BH has been ANYTHING but pro-town this game. | ||
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Anyways enough self loathing, I'm going to relax and will be reading, rereading, and generally following the thread but probably won't post much until I've had some sleep and come on fresh tomorrow (with plenty of time before lynch time). | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote: Kickstart, what are your feelings on debears? I don't have a scum read on debears like some others seem to have, so I don't feel comfortable casting a vote his way. Hapas case against him is unconvincing to me and debears' defence of his posts is how I felt about them to begin with. I also don't think him not mentioning BHs claim is a read one way or the other. Looking through the thread I think debears has made good reads and been on the right side of several issues thus far especially the snb wagon early on. | ||
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On November 15 2012 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Please explain in your own words and without referring to other people's posts why you had an anti-town read on him, and explain why you didn't share this read. I did share this read: On November 14 2012 00:41 Kickstart wrote: @debears I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive. Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not. ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote. With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back! And I feel everything I said is still valid, thus I'm waiting to hear more from hopless. | ||
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I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!). Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all: Regarding Hopeless1der Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to Z-Bo's case on me: - No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess. Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out. Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about) Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town. He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now. His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him. And then there is this: On November 15 2012 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote: @Marv's case on Z-Boson - Quite frankly, if it saves me, I'll vote Z-boson, otherwise my vote stays parked on debears. I still think Z-Bo is town though, I just happen to know I'm town. I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB??? You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion. | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:33 Blazinghand wrote: kickstart I take it all back you sexy fellow much love friend, much love <3 | ||
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On November 13 2012 16:52 Kickstart wrote: Here is why I have doubts about Hapa. Hapa starts off by being the first one to cast a "pointless vote" at the start of the day. + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote: Oh hum I need something more controversial then. Howabout the lynch DarthPunk policy? I have a hard time reading him and rolls scum 66% of the time when I'm in game with him. Sample size be damned! ##Vote DarthPunk I see that several people did this and were joking but I don't like it much and Hapa is the first to do it, which is even more interesting because soon after he states that the random vote gambit is far overused ;/ : + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: @iamp The "random vote" gambit has been far overused. I'm not a fan. I'd comment on your post, but I'm not even sure what you're talking about there. He then unvotes DP just to revote him: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:22 Hapahauli wrote: You're voting him 'cause the post is retarded? And not because it's scummy? The last time you pulled that, you were scum (Mafia LVII). ##Vote DarthPunk ('fo real this time) Which he unvotes again -_- And there is the whole SnB bandwagon that he jumps on: + Show Spoiler + On November 13 2012 10:54 Hapahauli wrote: Well it's weird for sure. I'm used to seeing scum SnB be a lot more "wordy" when he posts. Atleast this was the case in Mafia LVII and Death Note Mini. Howwwwwweva, this post really sets off my scum alarms: He calls debears argument/suspicion on me stupid, when he himself has his vote on me. It's not consistent at all with his suspicions so far, and I can't wrap my head around a townie thought process here. ## Vote StrongandBig At least he stays away from voting based on the VT claim post but he starts out by inferring that if SnB were scum he would be posting differently and then votes him anyways based on the "this is stupid" comment (which to be fair to SnB I agree with him, the whole point about putting your role in a spoiler is silly). On November 14 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote: Wowzers that was a lot to catch up on, I really tried to post before heading off to school but there was way too much to read and process. I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk. I still don't like his posting before or after the claim and think that the claim did no one other than himself any good. I would love to flip him just to see, because the way I see it, at worst he is scum trying to save himself (but as stated before that would be REALLY reckless) and at best he is now deadweight. For me the best thing I feel I have to go off of is looking at peoples votes and trying to pick out the scumvotes, and I still think the SnB bandwagon had some scum attached to it (who were basically forced to switch their votes after it being called out for what it was). Top scum read for me is still Hapa. I think he hopped on the SnB wagon, then tried to start an iamp one (with BH, so that is part of the reason I was 100% down for lynching BH and if he flipped red I would have insta voted Hapa - but then BH claimed so....), and now he is voting for debears with everyone else. I suppose it is time to put my vote where my mouth is, but I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on Hapa. If most others are getting scum read on him (which some people have already posted that they are) I would like to hear why, likewise if someone thinks hes town I want to hear why. ##Vote: Hapahauli and @Hapa No hard feelings, you have been very kind to me in your posts which I do appreciate but I can't let that influence my reads. So were my points at the time valid? I'm not sure what to think of this because it seems that I had it right but at the time got no support. Did I not provide enough analysis/reasoning? Was it just unconvincing? ;/ | ||
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This lynch kind of clears BH for me. I think had he been scum everything he did surrounding this lynch would have been different, but I will have to take a closer look at how it unfolded because that was a huge shitstorm like none other. | ||
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On November 15 2012 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: And I know you guys are gonna hate me for thus, but uh, yeah, I'm not a JK. Monday I had some family issues come up and it meant I wouldn't have much time to play through today, so I had to fake claim. Thursday and onwards I'm free though. Of course everyone is gonna be like super mad at me for this, but it worked, okay? Okay. ... wat The surprises from you don't stop coming. I take back what I said about you not being suspicious! | ||
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Regarding BH So early day 1 his posting was bad, he got called out for it and there was some pressure on him and then he just claims JK without trying to ease the suspicion on him at all. There was plenty of time to discuss and he was there for it afterwards, so why in the world claim JK. Now he says he fakeclaimed..... Well shit son, you just got way more suspicious than you already were. I think the analysis of him stating he fakeclaimed has been right : He is scum or he is JK trying to give himself some room with a mafia who would be going after a claimed JK. I just can't help but think that given everything, him being scum is the easier call. In summation, I didn't read him town before his JK claim, I didn't like or believe the JK claim (but a claimed JK - fake or not, was not going to get lynched D1 so I moved on), and now he is just like "O hey guys btw I lied". So down for lynching BH. Regarding Hopeless Shortly before the D1 lynch I posted this on my thoughts of hopeless: On November 15 2012 09:57 Kickstart wrote: Regarding Z-Boson I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!). Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all: Regarding Hopeless1der Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to Z-Bo's case on me: - No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess. Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out. Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about) Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town. He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now. His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him. And then there is this: I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB??? You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion. Notice how since then not a single thing has changed. He kept his vote on debears throughout the entire lynch and is still posting the same way. At least he admits that atm he looks terribly scummy, but continues to do nothing to change that perception. | ||
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On November 16 2012 06:36 Clarity_nl wrote: You get all the information from posts that other people have enticed. If everyone was playing like you no one would be making cases because there would be no information. Ok fair enough - I haven't helped pull any information. But I have given thoughts on several people (hapa, bh, hopeless, my thoughts on ZB) without just quoting what someone else has said. I really don't want to use the fact that this is my first game as an excuse for myself, but it is true and is why I'm posting the way I am. But in my defense, at least I am trying to contribute - there are plenty of people who may be posting tons but aren't contributing anything or even trying to. | ||
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On November 15 2012 11:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Final Votecount: DarthPunk (1): thrawn2112 Z-BosoN (5): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, Crossfire99, strongandbig, Hapahauli debears (1): Hopeless1der Hapahauli (6): Z-BosoN, Blazinghand, debears, iamperfection, Kickstart, DarthPunk Hapahauli has been lynched! Full version (disregarded): + Show Spoiler + debears (2): DarthPunk (7): Hopeless1der (0): Z-BosoN (4): Hapahauli (0): Blazinghand (0): iamperfection (0): thrawn2112 (0): strongandbig (0): Clarity_nl (0): marvellosity (0): Crossfire99 (0): Not voting (0): Now the townreads aren't set in stone for everyone I put as town nor are the people I didn't mark green suspicious, this is just based off of the D1 lynch and I would like to make a case for why I think these people are town: Regarding Z-BosoN Here is just an outline of my views on ZB throughout the game so far because my town read on him just builds as time has gone on. + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 00:41 Kickstart wrote: @debears I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive. Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not. ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote. With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back! So I did not like the whole SnB bandwagon to begin with and therefor was watching how ZB acted around it but off the bat I felt his posts were pro-town and contributing. ZB came under fire for his new posting habits but the above is part of the reason why I didn't like the meta case and why I refused to lynchvote ZB. See this quote for more of the same on why I didn't want to lynchvote ZB (made at the time when a large number of votes were on him): + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 09:57 Kickstart wrote: Regarding Z-Boson I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!). Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all: Regarding Hopeless1der Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to Z-Bo's case on me: - No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess. Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out. Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about) Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town. He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now. His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him. And then there is this: I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB??? You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion. Then there is the day 1 voting. ZB was one of the potential lynch candidates and at a point it seemed he was goign to be the lynch (with 8 votes on his head no less!): Note that this is right before the wild swing of votes to Hapa, so had that note happened it was ZB getting lynched. + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 10:55 Dandel Ion wrote: votecount: DarthPunk (2): thrawn2112, Kickstart Z-BosoN (8): Clarity_nl, marvellosity, DarthPunk, Crossfire99, Blazinghand, strongandbig, iamperfection, Hapahauli debears (1): Hopeless1der Hopeless (2): Z-BosoN, debears Currently, Z-BosoN is set to be lynched! Full version (disregarded): + Show Spoiler + debears (2): DarthPunk (7): Hopeless1der (0): Z-BosoN (4): Hapahauli (0): Blazinghand (0): iamperfection (0): thrawn2112 (0): strongandbig (0): Clarity_nl (0): marvellosity (0): Crossfire99 (0): Not voting (0): Looked bad for our pal ZB so this is "dying post": + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 10:55 Z-BosoN wrote: LYNCH HAPAHAULI. LYNCH BLAZINGHAND. when he is alive day 3. marv, hope you learn you are not the fucking god of mafia, and see that meta reads are only worth it if it isn't fucking obvious stylistic proven logical and pre-claimed reasons. Turns out he was right (halfway at least but I suspect 100% right ^^). So in summation I've always felt pretty good about ZB and then the D1 lynch just solidified it. Regarding DarthPunk Basically I agree with and echo the idea that when DP was set to be lynched, he did an extremely good job of showing that he was town. And an interesting note is that like ZB, when DP thought he was the lynch, he names Hapa and BH aswell : + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 10:43 DarthPunk wrote: How about this. I was probably not going to be lynched until two of the best town players I know who are very rarely wrong about scum reads lead the most retarded wagon in the world on me which is wrong. So either they are worse than I thought. Can't read me at all or are scum. Hapa is not playing the same as GSL he is playing worse. Hi scum game is townie though so be wary of that. But he is not giving the confident and often correct reads taht he usually gives as town. He is starting up a stupid fucking wagon that he is usually wary of as town. Hapa is like the fucking divine presence of level headedness usually but this band wagon is not it. BH I have never played with before. But he is reading scum into things that should not be read as scummy. SO he might just be worse than I thought. Marv is actually fucking right although rightly confused but seems townie from genuinely wanting to figure shit out rather than leap onto a retarded wagon. Also. How much fucking conviction does BH have in his reads when I am so scummy but then he insta votes for a fucking Coin toss. BH is scum. Because he doesn't give a fuck about the lynch as long as he lynches a townie. So those are my two strong town reads out of the lynch. Again the others I showed as green or did not is only an indication of how I viewed the lynch (some of the people I left unmarked I feel are very likely town for example). As for the people I had marked as SCUM: Well, Hapa doesn't need much explaining :D (GJ town!). Regarding Hopeless1der Before the lynch I posted my read of him, and so far it all remains relevant: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 09:57 Kickstart wrote: Regarding Z-Boson I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!). Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all: Regarding Hopeless1der Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to Z-Bo's case on me: - No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess. Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out. Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about) Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town. He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now. His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him. And then there is this: I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB??? You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion. I just feel that his anti-town tone has continued on through the lynch and after. As for the lynch itself hopeless NEVER stuck his neck out, he constantly stayed on debears the entire time (not that hapa temporarily switch over to debears apparantlytrying to start a wagon on him?): + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote Yeah marv's right here - DP's being pretty townie going down. Can we please lynch this guy? Please? ##Vote Debears The only thing that gives me a bit of reservation is that hopeless could have saved hapa had he switched his vote off of debears and put it on ZB at any time. But then I don't really think anyone was expecting hapa to get lynched. Regarding strongandbig Just take a look at this guys filter and then couple that with his votes and tell me it isn't suspicious as hell. SnB, like hopeless, never sticks his neck out on any reads and just agrees or disagrees with other peoples points. Couple that with his votes (ignore the hapa vote, it was at the VERY start of the game and it was a complete joke vote; he only votes for debears, blazinghand, and ZB). He was also oddly quiet during the pile onto hapa - while being there to laugh the most and mkae jokes afterwards?? Some reservations I have about snb is that he has gone after both hapa and hopeless postings (hapa who we know is scum and hopeless who I have the strongest read on at the moment), but scum dissing on scum isn't unheard of. Another reservation is that he has gone after BH hardcore, who I would be just as willing to lunch at this point as snb (though I would still rather go after my top read atm - hopeless). Anyways there you have it, hopefully night actions reveal some more stuffs. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote: I was roleblocked. Like right after the day2 post | ||
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1st or 2nd: SNB and DJO (SnB first, still the person I find scummiest) 3rd: Clarity (though I don't have a strong scum read on him, I haven't read him as town all game and all the other players I feel are more town than him). 4th: BH (because if we get rid of those 3 and no new developments are made, it is time to get rid of BH finally for his shenanigans). | ||
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K enough spamming from me for now. | ||
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1st snb 2nd djo 3rd BH And how you interpreted me saying that some roles are going to lie (namely scum and SK if there is one) as I am going to lie I don't know Djo. | ||
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IF there are more blues, it is up to them to claim as their claims are the only thing that will make your plan work, and really that is up to them. | ||
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Not sure what more you want me to expand upon. | ||
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As I said, nothing has changed - i already gave my views on ZB and his lynch tells me nothing so my views are the same as they have been ;/ | ||
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On November 18 2012 22:43 strongandbig wrote: complaining about lazy townies in a mini that's hit 136 pages before the end of N2 way to score easy points bro On November 18 2012 22:55 strongandbig wrote: the "easy points" thing isn't meant to be a personal attack it's a comment that you did something scummy scum like to criticize town for inactivity, it's a way to seem town without actually helping the town. the fact that your criticism is not valid makes it seem even scummier than usual You are confusing me. And my asking people to stop making personal attacks was not in response to anything aimed at me - after hapa and BH had their turns attacking me no one has done so again. I just think some people get a little too carried away with personal attacks. But anyways I won't talk about it anymore as it doesn't really help us find scum. But I will be messaging mods if it continues. | ||
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Sorry been a bit inactive, will look through filters and thread in this day cycle and post some updated reads. Only thing I can immediately think of is that not much has changed :D, I will look through debears d2 and n2 filter becuase surely there is something to be learned. | ||
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But by all means if you think I am scummy and am your top scum read of everyone here than lynch me. | ||
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Anyways how did I do everyone? Other than getting supremely lazy at the end which I'm a bit ashamed of ;o | ||
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