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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 11:41 DarthPunk wrote: I guess you wouldn't want confirmed townies would you BH? ._. if you really think I'm scum make a case, square the circles, etc. I'm done with you. See you in the morning, but probably not. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 11:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I have a very hard time calling DP scum right now. IF he was scum, and IF he had voted ZB instead of Hapa, and IF ZB had flipped town, would that have told us anything about Hapa? That shitstorm was so volatile that I have a hard time making sense of things with a Bowser flip. He's not confirmed in the slightest, but he looks very very townie based on those 'mitigating circumstances'. I'm not calling DP scum either. I'm just saying he's not confirmed town-- we have no confirmed town. We're not lynching DP tomorrow and I'm sure as hell not voting him, because no case can be made against him, but that's based on his actions when his ass was on the line and his contribution to the wagon. There's no confirmed town. There's no confirmed town. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote: Not a confirmed town but you happily call me townie whilst decrying calling me town. You should work in advertising. Well, I'm glad we cleared this up. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 11:44 iamperfection wrote: i did not actually but i don't really see what your point is. He's saying that there's no real "hammer" vote because in the shitstorm that was the end of D1 it wasn't clear, even to keen eyed observers like us, who was going to be lynched and what the votecount was. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I agree, but I don't think DP falls in the 'scummy with mitigating circumstances' category. I'm not really convinced you fall there either anymore. Perhaps I should rephrase: "was considered scummy, but due to actions under pressure, are actually quite overwhelmingly townie" | ||
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On November 15 2012 15:11 thrawn2112 wrote: on top of that, you have a 13 page filter so your story doesn't even line up Yes you're clearly correct, I've written so many long posts from my computer. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 09:46 iamperfection wrote: marv wants the vig to shoot you. are you aware? Not a good use of a vigi shot given that we have lurkers. Marv is smart enough to know this, but he's (pretending to be?) mad at me so he wants to shoot me anyways. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 14:54 Blazinghand wrote: And I know you guys are gonna hate me for thus, but uh, yeah, I'm not a JK. Monday I had some family issues come up and it meant I wouldn't have much time to play through today, so I had to fake claim. Thursday and onwards I'm free though. Of course everyone is gonna be like super mad at me for this, but it worked, okay? Okay. This, and the post after it, explicitly contradict everything I've ever said about how mafia is played, and are posts I would never make, which should direct you towards the crumb itself: am too as a reference to the typical argument you'd get into a sibling, in which they say you are not, and you proclaim "am too". I am indeed the JK, and this minor deception was neccessary to get a chance at using my power. In any case, I saved DP tonight. I really wanted to not save him because he's kind of a worthless dick who wants to lynch me, but he's also the townest player in the game, and he's not a blue, so I don't have to worry about roleblocking him. Also, he's like probably getting shot, as I mentioned earlier-- and if he was shot I wouldn't have to deal with the fountain of sewage that he considers rational discourse. Hopefully I don't get roleblocked, and I save DP with all the glory that is the JK power. I considered attacking with my power to shut down the night kill, but it's easier to determine who they're gonna shoot than who they are, and by JKing DP I gaurantee I'm not interfering with our detective. In any case, we'll see how night actions bear out, but the two circles that need to be squared by anyone saying I'm scum still stand. In terms of my chief suspicions tonight they are probably Marv but definitely Hopeless1der. Even a most trivial glance at Hopeless1der's WLLIA filter (link) shows that he isn't the kind of guy to make these weird, long cases based on nothing. He is a concise poster and when he makes a case it's usually brief but informative. Contrast Hopeless1der's D1 case on BKE from WLLIA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16733608 and its continuation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16737634 With his D1 case this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16901864 and his "list post" which has no equivalent from his WLLIA play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16905396 Though admittedly he wasn't in any real danger of being lynched during WLLIA D1, which could have changed his reaction, this still is a big departure from his play. Looking at his case against clarity tonight, which is long, poorly argued, and based on poor logic, I see this is a departure from Hopeless1's meta in the last game I played with him. Now, one might argue he's trying to improve and write bigger cases, but given that the case quality has actually decreased between this game and WLLIA mafia, I'm willing to say that this is probably not the case. He's playing differently and worse. I'll be around to discuss for the next hour, and of course depending on what happens come day post this case may change or grow accordingly. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Darthpunk is the towniest and most likely not blue? Scum are likely to target Darthpunk? I don't follow that logic, at all. I think he's towny and not blue because of how he acted when he was gonna die. On November 15 2012 10:47 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think scum would go out trying to push a lynch on me, however ill-explained it may be. Also, he changed his position between his two "death posts" which indicates he actuall read and thought between them He changes his mind between his two "Death posts" which only really makes sense as a townie re-reading and re-evaluating the thread before he dies. Also, given that he thought he was gonna be lynched, if he was a blue he'd have claimed it 100% for sure. So I know I'm not stopping any blue actions with this JK. Honestly, if I were scum I'd probably shoot DP, even though he's wrong on BH, because he's the townest-looking player, not by his analysis or skill (definitely not, actually) but by how he acted under pressure. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:05 Clarity_nl wrote: If marv is scum he is playing amazing. He's so pro-town, and every time I get this nagging feeling about him I look at his filter and think "nah, there's no way" Marv is an amazing scum player in general-- he's never lost as scum and he plays a pro-town game as either. I wouldn't lynch him D2 though just because he seems "too pro-town". DT would do well to check him. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:07 marvellosity wrote: I lost as scum in the last game you hosted dear. Checking me is a fucking ridiculous use of a check. Well yeah I wouldn't check you N1 cause there's no reason to lynch you D2 | ||
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Blazinghand
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 well, Marv almost always wins as scum so the point remains mostly valid. He's just a good player to keep alive in general though. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:09 marvellosity wrote: we don't have lurkers, really. we have Crossfire who is lynchable, not simply for lurking. And thrawn. and that's it. Explain why you called Z-Boson town, then voted him and called him scum. Cause I changed my mind on DP | ||
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Blazinghand
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On November 16 2012 10:10 marvellosity wrote: oh my god BH is a complete idiot if he saved DP. fucking god save me. Well if you think DP is scum that's fine too I just blocked him if he was delivering the kill | ||
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Blazinghand
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There were only two wagons at the time dude, both of those guys were less scummy than hapa but it wasn't happening so I unvoted hapa | ||
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