EPTDo you not realize that he just claimed?
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Do you not realize that he just claimed? | ||
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Claiming JK at this point though is really risky though, don't you think? I can't seem to view him as scum after that move, just a confirmation biased blinded JK. Think it was just a coin flip attempt to win? | ||
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Sorry I thought you meant djo. Did not follow that conversation properly. | ||
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On November 07 2012 09:41 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity Who would be Obzy partner in crime in your opinion ? @ Rad Y u no post cases ? I'll play this how I want to. I have no case to post right now, and defending myself all day has been exhausting. I'm waiting on da0ud's thoughts on the question I gave him. | ||
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On November 07 2012 10:09 Djodref wrote: @ Rad So, you are not worried that we are setting up a Clarity lynch ? You were so sure he was town. Why are you not fighting for him anymore ? What would you suggest I do for clarity? If you want to throw out more bad arguments, I'm more than willing to shut them down. | ||
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On November 07 2012 10:20 Djodref wrote: @ Rad I don't know, you could maybe try to find a more suitable target ? On November 07 2012 09:46 Rad wrote: I'll play this how I want to. I have no case to post right now, and defending myself all day has been exhausting. I'm waiting on da0ud's thoughts on the question I gave him. Shit just goes in circles with you. It's truly exhausting. | ||
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@obzy I feel for you man <3 Unless you're scum, then FU for toying with my emotions. | ||
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If clarity claims blue, I'd have to reconsider my current read on him. There was a point that I thought he might be blue, very briefly during the cheese incident, but I'm pretty convinced he's VT or scum now (obviously leaning hard towards VT). Mainly, I don't see why he would PM the host about the issue unless he's VT. If he's scum, he could have lied about the PM, and I feel bad for pointing out the idea of the possibility of a PM before he did. If he had made his PM claim before I pointed out its possibility, he'd be pretty much 100% confirmed to me. There are some reasons I can think of for scum to PM the host about the VT text but they seem very unlikely. Let's say he never claims blue. You probably won't have my vote on him unless something major changes (like a good case on him from someone). Is there some piece of information you could give me to convince me otherwise? You seem to think you've got it all figured out with something you're hiding. | ||
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That helps confirm that he's not blue indeed. Do you have something to help convince me he's not VT? | ||
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On November 07 2012 12:12 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What do you think of this post ? Is it more likely to come from a scum Clarity, a blue Clarity or a VT Clarity ? It's a hypothetical, so I can't really read into it. I agree with him, what if he's blue and you pushed him so hard he had to claim? With you showing why you're sure he's not blue, well, that gives you even more blue credit IMO, but doesn't take away VT potential from him. I do (now) get why you pushed so hard to try to make him claim blue though. | ||
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Because I'm VT and his actions make sense to me from a VT perspective, just as cheese and debears' did during the chaos. Guess I'll put together my VT post now. You asked for it Mr. Blue ^^ | ||
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My trust in him is based on how similarly we seem to be thinking. You'd have to be a VT in this game to understand, I think. Surely anyone who is a VT this game had cheese's same thoughts rush through their mind when they noticed the lack of flavor text. We'd be like this little secret society, you see, that only we'd know about. Perhaps if we were just more experienced at the game we'd know this would be too OP, but we're newbies, and the idea was delicious. Cheese had the thought and ran with it, explained it to debears, debears *high fived* cheese over it, and although I had that same thought at one point in the game, I PM'd the host as soon as cheese dropped the claim the first time. By the time they were high-fiving, I had already gotten back a response, and had been brewing over why a town would be claiming right now. Was he just a VT being wreckless, or a scum trying to get people to claim? Why claim at that point when there's no reason to? Wtf? There's absolutely no reason to claim right then. Is a scum cheese trying to pull some crazy shit? That's what first went through my mind, but i realized that no, there's no fucking way a scum would do this right now, trading scum life for possible (not even guaranteed) information is a terrible trade. I can see how clarity wouldn't have necessarily come to this conclusion though, so he kept his vote on cheese. You need to look at clarity's reactions to cheese during that incident. They don't push blame, they're looking for all the appropriate answers, and everything he did (except not switching to debears) mirrored my own thoughts during the the scenario. Does that mean he's necessarily VT? Nah, but I was right about cheese and debears, and I think I'm right about clarity. Djo, if he flips red, I fully expect to be lynched. But, do you think that's a good scum move to put myself out there so much? Do you think it's a good scum move to constantly defend him against your attacks if we're a scum team? | ||
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On November 07 2012 12:48 Djodref wrote: @ Rad I'll prepare a final case against Clarity. But one more question, do you think it makes sense from a VT perspective to keep for yourself a critical information ? Cheese reaction after his discovery was to believe that he could use the flavor as a way to confirm himself to all the other VTs. I don't see why Clarity would have thought in a different manner just before asking his question to marv. That's why I wanted to know what he exactly asked to marv. I wanted to know how he brought his discovery to the host. Anyway, he gets relevant information and doesn't imagine that another VT could have done the same. His logical reasoning shows that he is mafia here because in his story, he thinks first at the mafia perspective "I can see who is going to fakeclaim" rather than at the VT perspective "i need to share this information". Well, I can say that I didn't share the information I got from marv even though I got it before it all turned into insanity. Why? Because I thought that would straight up out me as a VT. 1 less person in the list of potential blues. Actually during the entire situation, I tried to look as blue as possible because I was afraid other VTs would come out and high five cheese alongside debears. If all VTs do that, along with the scum, but none of the blues do, suddenly it's easy snipe time and no confirmed VTs. I wanted to make sure I didn't come across as VT at that time. It was hectic, and really difficult to make decisions. If I had PM'd marv way earlier, when I realized the potential "secret code" so to speak, I still don't think I would have said "hey guys did you know that everyone knows about the VT flavor!?" I feel like that would out me as VT to the scum, cause the blues should have already known that and probably wouldn't see it as a big deal to announce to everyone. I can see clarity thinking the same thing here. | ||
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On November 05 2012 01:50 Rad wrote: @Djodref apperently you don't understand that if you state that something's a trap, it's no longer a trap. This kind of super odd reasoning is becoming pretty regular from you. It's the same reason why you wouldn't necessarily want to tell someone your pressure vote is a pressure vote (pointing back to your issue with sylver's vote from earlier), and I can't imagine why you'd want to tell people about your trap. Has anyone ever fallen into a trap they knew of? If you can't place your trap without explaining it, maybe you should think of a different idea instead... Anyway, all I get from your "trap" is that you want to be considered super townie enough to take one for town. This could be scum motivated for normal people (though even then, a really stupid scum move I'd think). However, with how poorly we all judged you last game, I can see that as you attempting something different to gain trust because you actually don't know how to naturally gain trust. So, null tell for me in the end, I guess... I purposely misspell apparently, I tend to say @djo except that time, I do not highlight the f in djodref, and IMO that's an awkward use of the word regular (I'd say something like "common" instead, typically). TBH that post was really hard to figure out for me. I had to think of some post with "@djodref apperently" and then fit in the word regular, lol. I don't think you leave a "regular fapper" breadcrumb if you realize that everyone else has that information. Up to you if you believe me though. I think my actions match up with this idea that I'm VT and I believe clarity is VT as well. If you wish to continue to push him, go for it, but I'll need a better case from you because just about everything you've said that I've defended, I did so because you could have had that same case against me, and I know all of those points to not be true because I lived them as a VT. | ||
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I have doubts on alsn and sylver at this point. I hope you can drop your doubts on me with my "evidence" but if not, I understand. | ||
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Alsn is blue or scum. Doesn't matter if I point that out at this point because scum should be able to figure that out with da0ud and myself (and obzy?) claiming. I say this because his reaction to the VT info is: On November 05 2012 08:59 Alsn wrote: Wait, if I'm to understand marv correctly, were some players not aware that the VT role was "regular fapper"? Or what? If he's blue or scum, he thinks that everyone knows of the VT role. It's confusing to him that someone might not know about this. To a VT, the opposite is confusing, that everyone knows about the VT role (unless you PM the host or are just good enough to know this is obviously the case, I guess). (speaking of which, da0ud, if you're blue and I read your VT claim wrong, alsn is scum) If clarity is scum, alsn is NOT scum, because djo blocked him (good point da0ud). So, we can figure out alsn based on a clarity lynch. Alsn probably shouldn't claim right now if he's blue because we get to find out some information from a clarity lynch. OR do we ask alsn to claim now because he was blocked and has to be blue or scum? He should have an old breadcrumb if he's blue and TBH he HAS to be blue or scum based on his reaction I quoted above. If clarity is town, I don't think it says anything about alsn, and at that point we can make him claim. If he's scum and claims wrong, someone else will counter claim. At that point we've at least got it down to 1 of 2 people is scum. We can figure out which and that's 1 scum down. So to summarize, should we (assuming we agree that da0ud, myself, and obzy are all VTs, which makes 5, and djo being 1 blue, so just 1 more town): 1. Lynch clarity to possibly find out more information about alsn? or 2. Ask alsn to claim. This would either force a scum to also claim to save their game (where we'd have to make a choice between the 2), or he'd be scum and clash with a real blue (probably only 2 blues in this game, right?) | ||
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On November 07 2012 13:47 Djodref wrote: @ Rad What do you think about the fact that Clarity never wanted to share the exact question he asked ? @ daoud why would I be scum if Claritg flips town ? @djo I don't know. If he's town, maybe he just didn't think it was appropriate information to give yet (because it would out him as VT)? If he's scum, maybe he didn't know what that PM would be about? It's hard to read. | ||
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I'm trying to find it, but did you see Obzy claim VT? Or were you just describing your own experiences? Seemed like you were pointing out that obzy is frustrated because he's VT with that story of yours. If so, I misread and thought it was obzy VT, and my Alsn plan goes out the window without the extra VT >.> | ||
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