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/in I shall not be mod killed | ||
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/in im sure there's no room though. | ||
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I think we can use name claims for evidence in our first lynch. Like ask the person who we are about to lynch what their role name is, then we have a mass role claim after our L-1 says his name. If it matches the theme of ours, we know they might be town (depending on how broad of a theme the names are) What do people think of this plan? Do you understand it and think it's a good idea? | ||
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On November 01 2012 08:22 drazak wrote: I don't think they need to claim early D1, it gives mafia someone NOT to lynch as the miller doesn't have a useful role. If I were scum I would be pretty happy with nk confirmed town. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote: If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea That is what is so good about the miller claim. It's confirmed by the second miller. Scum can never claim miller unless one of the millers is already dead. _____ OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that. How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours. | ||
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On November 01 2012 08:36 drazak wrote: What. How is anyone NOT mafia not confirmed town? o.O Kush you're not making sense. you're not making sense... I'm saying they are confirmed town for town, and that is a valuable target for nk imo. @thrawn fuck i got those mixed up lol The town who can talk to each other they should claim I think. Also don't say your role name unless you are going to be lynched. | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @release Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote: [/i]I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all. Aggression is only a towntell if you have meta to back it up. I have seen scum be very aggressive early. I also want to hear more from release about why he thinks my plan was scummy. (also yeah maybe mason claim is dumb now that I think about it more. I can see pros and cons to it.) | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote: I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! | ||
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On November 01 2012 10:50 thrawn2112 wrote: kush you think release is scum or town? If I had to vote right now I would vote him if that answers your question. @release Please clarify this while it's still fresh in your mind. On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote: About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? Am I correct in describing your suspicion this way? | ||
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On November 01 2012 13:07 Release wrote: Sounds like bait from Muso. Wants me to push the agenda with which i have already parted. Muso... So you think this is a fake claim? Think about how easy it would be to falsify a fake mason claim. | ||
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On November 01 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: This Muso situation is kind of bad. A mason claim is only worth anything when we also know the other mason but right now there's no reason for him to claim. The only way it can be useful later is if Muso breadcrumbs who his mason buddy is but right now he's going to be watched closely by scum and his posting style looks like he'll have a hard time hiding this. Technically there aren't any rules about encryption in the OP so he could encrypt something and then give his buddy the key but that's just lame and hopefully wherebugsgo will disallow it. I don't know about this Release thing. Calling people scum on page 1 for a dumb reason is generally not something scum would feel like they had to do. There are plenty of other people around but I don't have time right now. Actually I'm going to be busy for most of this game which will suck because my activity is a clear indicator of my alignment (even if people don't use it because they're lazy *cough* thrawn2112 *cough* kushm4sta *cough* Hopeless1der *cough*). Right now I'm reading town on Mattchew, Muso and kind of town on Release and kushm4sta. I'll read the thread harder later today. And we're past the one-liner stage of the game, consolidate unless you absolutely have to ask someone something right now which you probably don't. Nobody wants a huge game with tons of one-liners because it's simply harder and more annoying to read and that favors scum. 1 It's not true that the mason claim is only worth something if we know the other mason. We know muso is probably confirmed town and that is worth something. We can ask release to name claim closer to deadline, and muso can compare names with his mason partner to see if it matches the theme. 2 It would have been nice if you said you were going to be busy before the game started. At this point it can be seen as an excuse for your supposed scumtell. 3 I like one liners and I would rather read a one liner than a wall of text. | ||
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I really don't understand how Matt can be so certain about release's alignment this early. | ||
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##vote muso until we get a claim from his mason partner. Also I don't think acro's partner should claim until muso's claims. encryption... It is up the the mod to say if it's legal or not. I don't think it is really "against the spirit of the game." There are very specific circumstances where it's useful and this is one of them. | ||
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On November 02 2012 05:11 Acrofales wrote: @Kushmasta: I want to back up the discussion a bit. Can you please explain your thought process once and for all when you were confusing masons and millers. At what point did you realize that masons and millers were different roles? Before that point, did you think mason+miller was simply a role all wrapped into one? And if not, who did you think was being called out to roleclaim: "town members who could talk to each other", or "people who would show red to alignment cops"? People were saying miller should claim. I thought they meant masons should claim and I agreed. I thought the miller role was mason and I though mason was miller. | ||
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Maybe he fake claimed because he was confused about what mason did? (I actually don't know what either a mason or a miller are IRL. There should be more obvious, more differentiated role names IMO) So I will consider anyone talking about muso, or encryption, or the real scum claim, or anything other than looking for scum in the remaining 12 people, unhelpful and therefore suspicious. | ||
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Mattchew hypothetically accuses release of something that he is actually also guilty of! Release jumps on me for a stupid reason. Mattchew jumps on Realease for a stupid reason. He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread. So essentially you are accusing him because of bad "reading comprehension." That is kind of the same thing he accuses me of though. Then this: On November 01 2012 11:07 Mattchew wrote: yeah im voting because of the opposite, often on day 1 town loses focus and direction for its lynch and ends up in a last minute scramble. I trust my early reads pretty heavily so it will take a lot to move my vote right now Are your early reads right a lot? Most people haven't even talked yet at this point, but you overblow this release case to the point where you already know who you want to lynch. I think Mattchew was being hypocritical and overzealous in his attack on Release. fos mattchew Someone with a meta read, is Mattchew usually this decisive for weak reasons? | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:37 Muso wrote: The point of the gambit should be obvious now. It's not at all! | ||
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On November 02 2012 09:56 Release wrote: I've caught up with the reading and afai can tell, Muso's reason for why he did such things is based on WIFOM( yes many things in mafia are wifom, but this has little to help up). From what i see the intent of this post was to spread confusion and maybe set up a 1 for 1 trade, which could have been accomplished with accrofale's claim. more to come later. You've caught up on reading?? What does that have to do with anything. All of muso's reasoning is in his last post. From this post I'm not sure if you think he's town or mafia. Also this makes no sense: Why would mafia do a 1 for 1 trade with a mason, especially with the possibility of a doctor? | ||
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So vts look at your role name. Jessica rabbit does not fit the theme. Kid watching tv kind of does though. ##unvote ##vote acro | ||
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time had gone by and no one claimed as his.partner like I expected to happen. Claim time again lol. but this claim is not fake. I am anvil vanilla town. My theory is vts do not have character names. The only person I think should claim is if you are a vt and you have a character name. | ||
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On November 02 2012 23:36 drazak wrote: Yeah, I'm getting a bit fed up with Kush asking for everyone to claim everything, that smells a little scummy to me. Kind of not sure if it's just kush being stupid and trolling like usual (yes, I know, I'm omgusing, don't care) or if he's actually got a larger scheme here. Kush has admited to me a bunch of times that he doesn't thinks before he posts, so I dunno, but he keeps being stupid I think we can chalk it up to stupidity/trolling, if he stops, it was probably a scheme. I'm not sure what to think about prom, the case against him is ok, but maybe prplhz was distracted and/or confused. Well draz is being wish washy as fuck here. So you felt the need to weigh in on both me and prom, even though you have no idea what to think of either of them? DRAZZAK Anyone I am NOT trolling. I don't see how you would come to that conclusion. I have been focusing on mechanics rather than behavior, though, that is true. I will focus on whatever I need to to find scum honestly. Analyzing behavior and analyzing mechanics are both tools you can and should use. I don't know why anyone would dismiss either. Hypothetically, let's say that all vts have non character names like the ones that have been revealed so far (anvil, kid watching tv). Do you really think the mod would give break up that theme by randomly giving 1 vt a character name? | ||
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Prpl was mislynched as town in his last several games. He looks very scummy as town. So keep that in mind. Your case on him is very bas. The only scummy thing is giving a bunch of town reads which isn't that scummy. So what if he thought there was 2 mason pairs. Not everyone knows the probability of that. Also I thought the same thing. Muso, I think it would be very hard for scum to come up with that vt role name. | ||
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On November 03 2012 00:31 thrawn2112 wrote: kush i cant believe you're trying to make d1 cases based on the flavor claimed by two people... just absurd It's not just based on 2 people claims. It's based on the lack of claim from ALL the vts, AND the claims of two people. Acro seems really upset by my theory. drazzak, acro, and thrawn have all shat on my theory now. Why don't you guys actually EXPLAIN why it's such a bad idea instead of just SAYING it's bad. Do you really believe that all VTs have non character role names except for one named Jessica Rabbit. I do not believe that is likely. | ||
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On November 02 2012 23:17 drazak wrote: I don't see any reason to change my vote, I honestly have no freaking clue why muso did what he did, but there's nothing town about it, if he is town, he's doing a very bad job establishing himself as town. I hope he isn't town though, a D1 mafia kill would definitely ensure our town victory. Six hours till lynch. If we want to lynch someone based on behavior I think it should be drazak. He has contributed nothign he has not given any reads except saying he doesn't know. "A D1 mafia kill would definite ensure our town victory" LOL... no it wouldn't. Also why would town say that? Completely unproductive comment. He's just trying to paint himself as town. Anyway, read drazzak's filter it's real short. ##unvote ##vote drazzak I still want any vt with a character name to claim btw. If no one claims then I will also want to lynch acro. | ||
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On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted. Hmm I've never played with safeclaims before. That would not affect my theory. The possibility that acro is some of power role... I do think this a real possibility. That claim would not be terrible though. It would mean he has lied twice and at least that would set things straight. @thrawn Why would a scum claim VT? In this scenario the only type of claim is one that will make acro look innocent, the claim of a vt character role name. What if scum claims they have a vt character role name to protect acro? This is not a smart move for scum, because we will automatically know one is scum if the other flips. Plus town loses nothing in this scenario. | ||
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Read drazzak's filter. There are a lot of little things that look scummy and nothing that looks town. | ||
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KID WATCHING TV. It seems unlikely that scum would come up with that role name, especially since the first claim was Jessica rabbit. And it fits my non character vt theory really well. | ||
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On November 03 2012 02:41 drazak wrote: I am actually sick of hearing about this theory, it's about flavor. All of the flavor is probably random, for all me know someone is flavor as a fucking cucumber. this is stupid and not good scum hunting. Them why don't you do something that you consider productive rather telling me you are sick of my flavor theory again and again? | ||
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He looks easily the most worthy of a lynch. | ||
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On November 03 2012 03:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't want kush to get lynched today. Yes, he's said dumb stuff and he's on my radar but that's usually how it goes with him. Imo we need more information to make a kush read. I have 0 votes for me. Why would you even say that... Also thanks for a totally useless post. Who do you want to lynch? What do you think of drazzaks scummy filter? | ||
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Really scummy post. | ||
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The role names are valuable as fuck..don't see why people don't realize that. Carrot sounds good to me. ##unvote this is just drazak being drazak (Sry about double zs before) | ||
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##unvote So I need another wagon now. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:00 Promethelax wrote: Kush...are you kidding me? Name claims are not helpful right now and do you really think his name is carrot? What about that claim makes him townie when he wasn't before this? town names are very specific and hard to come up with, esp if you don't know the cartoons. Carrot is perfect. He came up with it really fast too. | ||
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cause there's no one else | ||
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No one else is a viable lynch but muso. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:09 Promethelax wrote: Does this mean that you have a town read on both Draz and me? If so why? Is Draz's name claim enough for you? What is it about me that makes you so sure? I don't find you or your predecessor particularly scummy. Also even if I wanted to lynch you I don't think realistically you have a possibility of getting lynched today. Buy my flavor theory or not. I'm going to vote for the bandwagon that I think has the best chance of flipping red. that is muso right now even tho I think he's probably town. | ||
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I explained.myself perfectly well I think. I dont think any of the 2 bandwagons are scum. It's pointless to vote for a random scumread I haven't even looked at a lot that no one else is voting for. So I am going with the scummier sounding role name, the liar. But.yeah not happy with either option. | ||
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![]() There's the flavor theory but that is just one piece of the puzzle. What are the odds of two town fake claiming? I think it was a calculated scum risk. Question to people who know mafia possibilities better than me: Is there some way scum could know muso was fake claiming? Even if he didn't know, consider this: Would acro's claim have looked more scummy if Muso turned out to be mason? It seems like the is yes, but there is equal scumminess to action whether muso was mason or not. This is because when the action took place, acro had no way to know if the claim was fake or not. The only tool he had to discern the fake claim was his wits, which he has as mafia or town. So don't let muso not being mason make you think his action is any less scummy. His defense is that it would be retarded for scum to fake claim. Do you see how that logic is circular? It is retarded for scum to do that, therefore doing that makes you look town, therefore it is smart for scum to do that. Also don't forget the flavor theory! | ||
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@Acro you actually bring up some good points in your defense. 1 Town has more reason to think the claim is fake because they do not know who mafia is. 2 Bugs games are meticulously put together and they would not have some broken mechanic that overrules scumhunting So for those reasons I'm laying off acro. | ||
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On November 02 2012 00:25 risk.nuke wrote: Simply because Acrofales claimed last. Unless other factors interfere it's the logical thing to do, with few exceptions in late game scenarios. On November 02 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote: Nofucking body claims a role and then says lol I was just kidding. On November 03 2012 19:59 risk.nuke wrote: That's just wrong. Replacements doesn't get a clean sheet. Thanks for sharing your mafia aphorisms with us, but it's not really helpful. | ||
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All the games I found were town and in none of them did you resort to one liners like this. | ||
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On November 03 2012 23:37 risk.nuke wrote: Thank you for demonstrating once more how you know nothing about mafia. I actually don't have a single post in my filter that doesn't express an opinion. And I don't know why you felt the need to omgus me like this. Your filter is entirely one liners.. how the fuck is town supposed to get a good read on with that? | ||
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On November 04 2012 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: sometimes this works Kush, are you scum? no | ||
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If that is a character name I will stfu about flavor theory forever. Also why did you reveal it now and not during d1? ~~ What is the difference between risk town and risk scum? Does anyone know? Same question for mattchew. ~~ 3 people want to lynch me now! Zealos, acro, thrawn. Anyone else? Are there any questions you want me to answer? The cases are quite spread out so it's a little hard to respond to everything. Summary of the case against me: 1 over reliance on flavor theory I have been pretty obsessed with it sorry. 2 blue hunting I just wanted more evidence for my theory. I only ever advocated 1 vt claiming their name. Also I thought mason should claim in the beginning but changed my mind about it. (The reason I actually made the case for mason claiming is I read in Sandroba's filter from a game a long something he said about there being no downside to millers claiming. But I thought he were talking about the role that is actually masons. Then I see someone this game talking about millers claiming and that authoritative opinion is only enforced, so I assume millers claiming is a smart play.) ^ a lot of text about something pretty insignificant. 3 thrawn saying im off my meta Every game I try to improve and play better. I am being less emotional I think it's better play. (and also I've been hurt so many times in the past) 4 my "scumslip" I said "Why is town fake claiming?" 2 people fakeclaimed mason. I doubt both of them are mafia. So I can say with almost a certainty that town is fakeclaiming because at least one of them is town. | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:52 DarthPunk wrote: Did you think Muso was town when you voted for him? yes | ||
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On November 04 2012 02:58 DarthPunk wrote: You knew he was town? and still voted for him? If so why? I did not know he was town. I thought it was town. I voted him because I thought there was a better chance for him to flip red than drazak. Him and drazak were the only options. There was also prome, MAYBE but I didn't like the case on prpl. | ||
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You need to be a vt to disprove my theory. If you are a vt why wouldn't you claim your flavor? And why wouldn't you have done it yesterday, when I would have changed my vote back to drazak if my flavor theory was disproven. | ||
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town- non character power roles- villain mafia/sk- hero (bugs bunny, jessica rabbit, road runner) | ||
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On November 04 2012 08:50 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote prome until he claims unless, that is, you no longer think your name disproves my theory and are willing to vote acro | ||
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you aren't hearing my non flavor ideas because I don't have any. | ||
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On November 03 2012 06:34 thrawn2112 wrote: anybody wanna lynch release? several of his posts give the impression that he feels guilty thrawn why did you say this right before lynch, esp when you said muso had the best chance of flipping red? | ||
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prome is a power role. Those are my recent conclusions. | ||
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With all this claim nonsense we forgot about hoe scummy release looks lol. You case convinces me. ##unvote ##vote release | ||
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release gives me town vibes and I can't ignore that. going to unvote until I figure things out. | ||
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do scum even make posts this ridiculous? | ||
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Not liking release. Playing too scummy to be scum. I could get behind a fuba or hopeless lynch though. Consider fubas weak ass filter... inherent guilt talking about how indecisive he is. Also keep in mind he's not a newb like draz, release and he should know better. | ||
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these are who I would be willing to lynch. I just havnt had time to elaborate on why. A lot of it is process of elimination. | ||
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for being really unhelpful this game sheeping | ||
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DP isn't even looking for scum. And right now he has his vote parked on the easiest newbie mislynch. Do you really think town DP would be content to lynch drazzak at lylo? If he is town he isn't trying | ||
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On November 06 2012 02:12 drazak wrote: Hold on now, I'm not happy with how DP is playing, and I find it somewhat scummy, btu I'm not sold 100% he's scum, and I need to be 100% to lynch atm. Why are you beign wishy washy about votes right now...You are advocating a no lynch right? Then come out and say it. We still have over 4 hours. | ||
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last game dp played someone told him: your scum meta is you pursue bad cases. So he isn't doing that this game. Instead he is laying low, sheeping, not trying to catch scum. why no lynch when we can lynch obvious scum. | ||
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find scummiest person. kill them. Anyone else want to kill dp? I don't understand people reading his filter and getting town reads. He is logical about shit, but always concerning perifery issues. He is not using his posts to find scum or push lynches. He has been invisible. He has been indecisive. He has sheeped. lynch dp | ||
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On November 06 2012 05:15 Promethelax wrote: Yes he does. He hasn't done anything and now when there is a case on him he says that it is wrong but tells me that I can't know his thoughts. I know what he posted and what he has told town and what he has said is totally different from what he says now. He looks like he is covering his ass and trying to stay alive while not doing anything to help town. His scumminess can be explained by inactivity. I see someone who doesnt have time to figure things out. All he can do is follow the game. Then when someone misrepresents his meta it's easy to write a lot because he doesn't have to think about it. But he's not writing a lot about the game because he just doesn't know. | ||
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having the person going to be lynched claim is not bluehunting and it's scummy that you even suggest it is. | ||
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If prome is scum, why would he risk his claim to take my heat off acro? | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:37 DarthPunk wrote: As soon as we voted for hopeless the thread died. Really fucking weird. why is it.weird? you think scum would last minute try to save their scumpal? | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:40 DarthPunk wrote: not sure if srs... But seriously. Kush still pushing me at this pint is the biggest waste of time/distraction I have ever seen. Certainly anti town. why is that? you think you look so town you aren't an option? but like 20 ago you said your play was bad because you just weren't that active this game. | ||
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I thought he was scum until he claimed. Pretty bad fake claim now that I think about it, but it seemed too odd to be made up at the time. | ||
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On November 06 2012 08:24 DarthPunk wrote: So after you unvoted because you thought he was town you try and milk town cred by saying you knew he was scum all along? without his claim I thought he was scum. his claim seemed town to me. | ||
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@prome so I am your second lynch lol.... you realize that now that godfather died I'm like confirmrd town right | ||
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Anyway I just flipped flopped and I hate this drazak lynch. I remembered thay I hated it as soon as I was reminded of his flavor. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 06 2012 08:43 Promethelax wrote: Just a heads up guys. I'm heading home in 20 mins (I'm at school right now) and my young lady wants me to do things with her and not ya'll. I'll be back tomorrow for some good stretches and I'll probably be one later tonight but we're having a romantic getting drunk event so no promises. I just love hearing about your awesome sex life | ||
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Any scum would have left their vote on hopeless, because it was pretty clear hopeless was going to be lynched anyway. As soon as all those people voted hopeless at once it was pretty clear that he was the lynch. | ||
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But then we called him out on it. So now he's back to old scum dp, actively pushing ridic cases. The drazak case even had me convinced at first because it is so convenient, but it's scumminess is purely superficial. How drazak acted at lynch time is not how scum acts IMO. Notice how everything about DP just changed after he almost got bandwagoned. | ||
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On November 06 2012 09:44 drazak wrote: tbh I just thought the dick comment was funny, and I hadn't read hope's post yet about returning, I missed some posts somehow, like a whole page I buy this ! | ||
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Why is everyone treating this draz lynch like it's a sure thing? I completely understand his motivation. He never wanted to lynch hopeless, he was just mad because hopeless was inactive. If the only evidence you have that he wanted to lynch hopeless is him saying my penis has been here all along then that is weak. | ||
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don't know what if anything distinguishes between blues and reds. Vts are clearly non characters. except... Prome you forgot a very imprortant claim. Acro as vt Jessica rabbit. However I think he is lying about being a vt. He probably really is a mason. | ||
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Why are people not thinking dp is scummy. Prome you said he wasn't scummy anymore.why the fuck is that? because he came back right as I was trying to form a bandwagon on him? now he is just saying lynch draz gg and not even trying to scumhunt elsewhere or consider draz might be town. Summary: why don't you think draz is scum because he totally is. | ||
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Basically I trusted thrawn because I know I'm town and he said I was town. But is there room for all these power roles? I want acro to really come clean. Are you seriously Jessica rabbit vt? Because that would be very fucked up. The thing is, the flavor is not as straight forward as heros and villians. People have claimed names from the movie who shot roger rabbit...Jessica rabbit, whatever acme . these are characters from that movie and they aren't villians. fuba either the flavor is not as straightforward as you think or acro prome and thrawn are all scum or sk. | ||
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I was roleblocked Why the fuck would anyone rb me?? | ||
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Why would scum rb me? I should be obviously vt to mafia. | ||
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Are you kidding me... people actually still think im scum or sk... LOL I was the first one to start talking about how vts had non character names. How would I know about that if i wasn't a vt.... When I get town I let you in me. I let you inside of me and I share all of myself with you. So it really upsets me when people retardedly think im not town. | ||
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Punch clock was a pretty bad claim. I just didn't have time to realize that then. If I have more time before the lynch I can think about the claim more. | ||
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On November 07 2012 10:29 Release wrote: i spy with my little eye someone looking for blues There are already so many confirmed blues lol. Also if you know my scum style at all you would know that I would NEVER try to hunt blues as red. | ||
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Why did I believe thrawn's claim is that what you are asking? Put yourself in my shoes. Thrawn is making cases against me. Then he comes out and says I'm town. why would a scum tell the truth about me being town? Yeah its possible but it doesn't seem likely. Plus knowing that I really am town does make the claim more believable for me than the rest of you. | ||
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On November 06 2012 07:39 risk.nuke wrote: I was observing, I wanted to see how the hopeless wagon would go. How convenient for risk lolol. Anyone else thinks this looks suspicious? | ||
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TOWN thrawn prome acro fuba (all these people have claimed and been pretty pro town. I don't see anything suspicious about any of them) SK realease (because of night theory and overall scummy play) SCUM dp risk draz?? I think draz is probably town, but there is a possibility he is scum instead of dp or risk. DP and Risk are pretty obvious just due to process of elimination, but it also fits with their play. Risk's behavior around the hopeless lynch seems scummy. Also it would be very easy to pull off his 1 liner style as scum. DP doesn't give a shit about scumhunting except when he is the scum being hunted. His current attitude is one I also find very scummy---->lynch drazak WHO MUST BE SCUM. Keep your eyes on kush. Well number 1 he isn't even considering that drazak isn't scum because it gives him an easy and obvious person to push. And his suspicion on my is pure wish wash nonsense. Keep an eye on me is exactly the idiom he used. That is a scummy way to suspect someone. | ||
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On November 08 2012 04:20 Acrofales wrote: @Kush: I did have some further questions for you regarding your flavour. 1. Explain this: Why did you find CARROT a better claim than "Kid watching TV"? Despite 2. Why was "Punch clock" a good claim at the time, but given more time it was a terrible claim. Does "Punch clock" being a terrible claim affect the validity of carrot being a good claim? Carrot was a better claim than kid watching tv. I wasn't really sure about the nature of VT names at the time. I thought they might all be props. So kid watching TV could be SK or anything really. TNT is more obvious than carrot. How did I come to that conclusion? Well I tried to think of one myself and came up with TNT. Punch clock seemed like a good claim at the time because it wasn't something obvious. Like if I was scum and going to fake claim, I would pick something obvious like TNT. Given more time though, maybe I would have realized that punch clock rarely shows up in the cartoons. I remember only one looney toons featuring a punch clock. Actually I probably still would have believed it given more time lol. Punch clock is a good claim. Maybe they got fake claims but I doubt it. | ||
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On November 08 2012 08:19 Acrofales wrote: Yo Kush, what do you think of the newly claimed roles? I have a sneaking suspicion it's Innocent Wabbit. It just feels more bugsy. Yo risk, are you scum? well i knew you weren't vt lol. prome's vt claim. it's believable since marvin acme isn't really a character. risk's claim: it sounds like a vt name but im not reading too much into it. | ||
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On November 08 2012 09:48 Release wrote: he (kush) is the one derailing the thread more and preventing us from finding the last scum. Are you kidding me? I'm preventing people from finding the last scum by derailing the thread?? That is just not how it's going down. In fact I have been rarely talking about flavor without someone asking me about it. | ||
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On November 08 2012 10:31 DarthPunk wrote: Watch as drazak flips red and kush still calls me scum. If drazak flips red then I will not want to lynch you next..let's put it that way. | ||
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@thrawn why am I voting for release? Well his behavior is scummy. I don't like how SURE he is that I'm scum. He says I'm stopping town from finding scum...That is a scummy exaggeration to suite his purpose. I'm not stopping anyone from doing anything. Also he was rb and no one died. | ||
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On November 08 2012 21:08 Acrofales wrote: Just the general impression I get of Bugs' sense of humor after multiple games and conversations. Bugs likes a good troll. Making Innocent Wabbit a scum role is trolly. I see you dodged the question, though... Why would you suspect someone to answer that dumb question? | ||
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I was looking for why you think DP is town and I can't really find an explanation except for 2 things the bus some wifom trap you think he set anything else? Feel free to direct me to a post you made if i missed it. | ||
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On November 09 2012 04:51 Promethelax wrote: Kush my man could you tell me about why you still don't belive that scum got fake claims after both Hopeless and Mods more or less confirmed that they did. I am hung upon this one. There could definitely be the possibility of fake claims. Im not not voting drazak because of his claim. | ||
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IF so then I'm 100% sure release is sk or scum. | ||
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That was a trap huh? Well if it was a trap you would have made it way more obvious. Because as it is it's literally impossible to find. I think you put it there so you could call back on it and fake claim vig if you needed to. Except now that's not really a possibility since there has been so much night analysis and so many claims. | ||
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On November 09 2012 09:24 Release wrote: is that your only reason for pursuing flavor theory? I first realized that WBG said that when I asked you "where did wbg say that" and someone linked it. I have mostly dropped it but I only bring it up now because it's really odd that you are the only character VT. It's odd but it's totally possible that a vt is named porky pig. It's not the only reason I suspect you. Also i love porky pig, best looney toons character | ||
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On November 09 2012 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Marvin Acme Your flavour theory is wrong. Where did I miss him claiming Porky Pig, though? marvin acme is not a character. | ||
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On November 09 2012 10:24 Acrofales wrote: Disney Wiki begs to differ. He may be minor, but he's still a character. http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Marvin_Acme You just have a giant lump of confirmation bias allowing you to mold your theory into anything that currently fits your facts. He is NOT a cartoon character! He is a person character who only showed up in the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and the movie is about who killed him. But yeah I'm not basing any reads on just flavor. It's just I can see how marvin acme would fit and porky pig would not. I like your logic though and I admit release is probably sk. btw its really lame how you used flavor from who claimed roger rabbit, Should have been all looney toons related instead of from that gimmick of a movie | ||
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Release is a surer thing but he's sk not mafia. You are right though. They both have an kp so might as well kill the sk. | ||
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Marvin acme isn't a character | ||
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Release was rbed. There was no nk because one went to a protected prome and one was coming from release. Another scenario is that I am sk because I was also RBed. But I know im town therefore release must be sk. | ||
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On November 10 2012 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote: so either there's an unclaimed vigi (if it's you dont be stupid.. please claim) someone out of release/kush is sk? No? what does vigi have to do with it. I believe one of these must be true 1 shady or me is sk 2 both sk and scum tried to kill prome 3 release or me was one of the nk targets 2 is unlikely, 3 is very unlikely | ||
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On November 10 2012 07:33 Acrofales wrote: DP. You promised something. Prom: I suspect you or I will die, want to give your reads? Oh, and in case anybody is still wondering, I'm roleblocking risk for completely obvious reasons. yeah he rbed risk. It would have been nice if he boldified this at least..kind of important. I support lynching release or risk They are both an equal threat imo. DP sorry for thinking you were scum T_T | ||
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On November 10 2012 21:59 risk.nuke wrote: I was roleblocked. I'm on the train home. We need to kill prom. Will elaborate when i get home tonight! Do you understand acro's logic case on why prome can't be scum? | ||
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On November 11 2012 07:30 mkfuba07 wrote: I still think Release is innocent because of that comment that Prome and I discussed earlier. Prome disagrees with me, but I don't see someone with a "guilty conscious" making the post that Release did. I might be persuadable, but I think Release is town. What comment is that exactly that makes release look town? I looked through your filter but I cannot find you talking about it. | ||
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On November 11 2012 12:39 mkfuba07 wrote: It's the discussion starting with this post. I think the chances of scum or sk saying that are far less than town. Smart, but in a scummy way. As town I wouldn't even think of that, but as scum I definitely would. | ||
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Also what he says about bleu roles makes sense... There are too many. In my mind release is a much surer bet. SK is basically the same thing as scum right now, since they both are only 1 person with a kp. | ||
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On November 12 2012 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote: Are your only options for scum DP and risk? No because I think a lot of acro's logic theories, like the one that cleared prome, went out the window when DP claimed blue. So if DP is telling the truth, I think there is also a real possibility of prome scum. | ||
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On November 12 2012 04:52 thrawn2112 wrote: kush the prob with taking a "safe" option and voting for sk is because we don't know who is sk... based on past setup speculation we've pretty much narrowed it down to either you/risk/release. so how are we supposed to distinguish between choosing you or release for sk? ya i get that but it;s easier for me because I know my alignment lol | ||
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Also I realize now I misrepresented his play quite a bit He's playing fine. . | ||
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fuck this phone. Also we are lynching release. The reason why no one is talking is because his scumminess is so obvious. | ||
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Thank you for explaining.. there has been so much nk theory which i have kind of been tuning out. flavor theory>nk theory Anyway yeah my inactivity and I'm sure others' as well is due to the fact that we have an obvious lynch who is like 95% scum. Thrawn - I can't see scum claiming and saying they got a green check on me like that. There is 0 scum motivation. Fuba - His claim was really detailed and it seemed hella town. Pretty much that long winded claim is the sole reason I think he's town, but nevertheless I'm pretty sure of it. Prome - I guess he's confirmed town.. sorry for missing/forgetting that. DP - yeah that would have to be the proest bus ever. He is my number 1 suspect if release flips town. Release - duh | ||
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On November 13 2012 15:54 Promethelax wrote: Kush: please build a case on dp if that is who you believe is the most likely to be scum if release flips green. You need to do that today though and not after the flip. Do it because I told you to. I am confirmed town. Do what I tell you to do. Nope you can't make me. I'll do it after the flip if I still need to (I won't). The thing is, I really don't think he's scum at this point. It's really hard for me to make a case if I don't believe in it (which is why I hate playing scum and always bus). So IF release is green, I will then examine dp's bus closer to see if it looks like a bus or genuine. I will also examine mkfuba's claim closer. | ||
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On November 13 2012 08:07 Release wrote: Sorry. Can't do that. This is not the response of town. It's the response of a scum with a never give up attitude. Why would town be "sorry"? | ||
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Thrawn.. the thing about thrawn is why would scum claim that I'm green like that. At that time there was 0 heat on thrawn. Why would he effectively remove the heat off me at a time when there was a lot? Then again there was not a lot of risk involved because I made it very clear that I was vt. Even so why would he clear me? | ||
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On November 12 2012 17:27 thrawn2112 wrote: mmm i don't think i like a release lynch. i'm having the same issues with it now as I did before.. he's way too open with his thought processes for me to think he;'s scum ##unvote ##vote thrawn2112 | ||
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On November 14 2012 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, wtf kush I thought you thought I was town all game long... this is how easily you're willing to switch your vote? Trust those who seek the truth, but doubt those who say they have found it. - hot chick from Dexter You are scum makes a lot of things make sense about this game. The pieces of the puzzle started to fall in place as soon as I considered it. What had me so convinced you were town is how you claimed I was green. This is like the ultimate buddying, and it worked quite well on me. But the thing is you KNEW I was VT, so there was no risk in calling me vt. | ||
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Why do I suspect thrawn? Because everyone else looks town. Process of elimination. Why did I suddenly change my mind? Because I thought his claim made him town. He buddied me really hard and I got fooled. But as soon as I started thinking about the possibility of thrawn's claim being fake, everything in this game started to make more sense. | ||
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Release I don't get why you would LIE just to get me to stop talking about flavor.. that doesn't seem realistic. If thrawn flips town, my next suspect is release. | ||
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On November 15 2012 07:36 Release wrote: Because you continually talked about flavor even after you said you would stop and i said that i would take any more flavor from you as a scum claim. I KNEW Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny couldn't be a scum team... flavor never fails amirite release? Also Release, I would like to know exactly why you fake claimed...is it just so I would stop talking about flavor?? I do not understand why anyone would fake claim just to get me to stfu.. Like why wouldn't you just ignore my posts? | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:48 Promethelax wrote: wonderful. I blame you for not playing the game and not thinking. Now think some and get some thoughts in the thread. How doe people feel about Kush now that we know that the green check on him came from a town aligned cop? I can tell you what you feel about me. I'm confirmed town. yet release is talking about me like I might still be scum somehow.. | ||
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On November 15 2012 08:56 Promethelax wrote: I'm all for that. I do get that line of questioning. But I've been looking at Release. He is a bit of a goof in his past games. Imagine that playing with him is like playing with you. He has an internal logic and even if I don't get it he does. Well If he is like me, I would NEVER fake claim as town to get someone to stfu. Also I'm never sheeping you again. | ||
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I just want to say how sorry I am to you. I hope you are still reading this thread. I did the same thing to you last game and I don't feel as bad about it this game (because it was prome's fault) but I still feel bad. SORRY xoxoxo <3 | ||
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On November 15 2012 10:00 Release wrote: @kush As long as the flavor theory held, you would have a tenable reason to continue talking about it. So i claimed something that i believed broke the flavor theory, and you therefore, were supposed to have no reason to continue to talk about it. But explain why my talking about flavor was so harmful that you needed to fake claim to stop it. 1 You weren't confirmed town, so why would you think that would prove it wrong if I didn't think you were VT in the first place. 2 Why didn't you just ignore me? | ||
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On November 03 2012 05:49 Release wrote: epicly ninja'd by 5 posts but i will state my shit: I will push for Promethelax, but if such a lynch is impossible and a lynch on drazzak is possible by my switch of vote, then i will do so. It's like he thinks by talking about his scummy voting behavior it no longer looks scummy. Then again: On November 07 2012 14:36 Release wrote: I know what'll happen if i change my vote: "afraid to bus my scum buddy!" "too wish-washy!" w/e: ##unvote: ##vote: draz ##unvote ##vote: kush ##unvote ##vote: draz I'll take either. On November 07 2012 14:37 Release wrote: ##unvote ##vote: kush I am a quadrillion percent certain that release is scum. | ||
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I know you are confirmed town (although i forget why again but whatever) but that doesn't make you everyone's boss. What do you mean the thread has gone to shit?? You don't to write a book to hunt scum. Actually the thread was better for the 1 HOUR you were gone from it, because it wasn't spammed with your posts shitting on everyone. You have this huge sense of self importance like you are game leader, and confirmed town has just inflated that. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:31 Promethelax wrote: I know. That is why Kush never ever ever makes it to LYLO. UNTRUE. so untrue. I usually make it to lylo because scum never nks me. The only reason I was lynched in LC was I got framed. The only reason I was viged in that newbie game was newbie retardation. | ||
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On November 15 2012 12:42 Promethelax wrote: I know you are reading Mario since you are playing it. When Marv said that any set up with more than three blues has a scum RB what did you think of in terms of this game? There can be more if there are one shot roles IMO. | ||
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(But if he's scum after the game I get to point out how I'm smarter than everyone.) Mkfuba vs Release and I'm definitely leaning Release scum. | ||
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We add but we also subtract... goodbye prome. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:28 Release wrote: Kush, GirlFriend, you'll get birthday sex if you vote for DP. it's not my birthday. I just put some random date in when I made my account. | ||
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On November 16 2012 11:34 Release wrote: to Fuba and Kush: My reasoning for a DP lynch is that there is no reason for me to be alive today, when we are at a MYLO I do not get what you are saying here. ##vote DP Quick Release vote with me. If we get 2 votes on him first, we will have reached the critical amount first and have the advantage in a 2-2 tie. My decision isn't set in stone but I like to have power. Hmmmm on the one hand I really want to lynch DP. Even if he was town, lynching him would give me a certain satisfaction. On the other hand, if he flips town and I vote for him, everyone is going to yell at me. Also if I vote for release and then DP flips scum, I can laugh at prome, blame the loss on him, and talk about how smart I am for knowing about DP all along. | ||
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##unvote ##vote release | ||
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On November 17 2012 03:03 Release wrote: You guys are ridiculous. Taaaaaaaalk. there's nothing left to say. I am the one most likely.to vote for dp and I'm not going to. So we can either wait until lynch or you can concede. Admirable effort though. You tricked prome into overthinking. | ||
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But you're getting lynched, sorry Release. | ||
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Why hasn't prome come back to the thread? Is he afraid? | ||
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Sorry all I hate myself. | ||
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Dp was actually so obvious. The last red had to be pr. That is the argument you should have made at the end release. Instead you were talking about how you were still alive and that makes you town? Made no sense to me. | ||
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I thought the flavor was like a clue that was meant to be exploited by town. | ||
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