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On November 07 2012 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote: this better not be some LC bs, for now I'm assuming that mafia didn't skip the nk. So prom is either scum, or was the nk target. Out of those two options, prom being scum seems more likely. I don't exactly remember prom being super high on most people's townie lists. claim not reading the thread more. At least half the thread thinks that I am as town as they get. You have played with me and know my meta, why don't you? On November 08 2012 01:17 thrawn2112 wrote: With drazak, I agree with a lot of the stuff already talked about.. specifically the voting from D2. So I could still lynch him depending on how the rest of D3 goes. However the drazak bandwagon seemed like maybe almost too much of a natural progression in the thread, and afterwards everyone agreed about drazak and activity was low ever since. So I'm just looking at different stuff in the meantime while waiting for drazak to post I can't rule prom out. but a lot of that is based on me basically assuming you're town (stuff from prplhz during the early mason claims.) but other than that, I haven't had any huge concerns about prom's play, except that it felt too clean, too intentionally pro-town. I'm curious if anyone thinks that release shouldn't be lynched. I see you do know it. So which is it? Am I scum or town? Possibilities I am considering: •Fuba is mafia roleblocker, he RBs me, holds shot and claims JK, SK either does not shoot or shoots into another protect or is RB'd. •We have a one vig who did not claim but no SK shot was against me and saved or from Kush/Release and RB'd. •We have another doc role who also protected a kill, if so I'd say bc your save and claim it next day. •Shot on me was from SK and saved, shot on bullet prof SK from scum. (I'm considering this one, it works with a crazy theory I have brewing). •Scum Rb's the SK and the shot against me was saved (I think this is what Risk suggests here):+ Show Spoiler + On November 07 2012 08:17 risk.nuke wrote: Scum roleblocked SK and Promethelax (assuming mkkfuba is telling the truth) either used or targeted by mafia kp? I'm most interested in the total lack of night kills, I think I have listed all the possibilities which are possible if I am town (which I know I am, I know you guys don't know that but you'll have to figure it out for yourselves, Acro with your big ole town read on me could you tell me what you think this total lack of NK means?). Kush, Thrawn, Risk, Release and, to a certain extent Fuba himself think this means that I am scum. I think it is particularly telling that these players had, as a general rule, warmed up to me over the last day. Fuba in fact states that he RB's me because I was a top town read of his and Risk had said he didn't feel I was scummy, that is out the window now. I'm curious to hear their theories totally explained. They begin by calling me scum but almost the only way it makes sense for me to be not town is if I am SK (the target of a NK and the one using a NK). Fuba's theory of Kush=sk is possible if we assume that thrawn is town and he did get a green check on Kush but mafia framed him that night they would know 1)kush=sk and 2)he took bullet proof, this means that Scum could rb me tonight and, instead of holding their shot shoot off the SK's bullet proof. We could have a >1 but <infinite shot Vig OP specifies X bullets. That vig might have saved his shot tonight hoping to live and use it in lylo. @Risk couldn't Acro be SK and counter claimed not knowing that Muso was town but reading the claim as poorly done and thinking he had caught scum which would make him unlynchable. Based on his play I would say that if Acro is SK he took bullet proof. I don't want Release to be lynched yet, he is finding issue with the same things in Acro's filter which I have issue with. Paranoid townie mindset not scummy unless Acro and Release are scum together. It would be foolish for a newbie scum to attack a strong town player who is very active and is already pushing release. If Acro is not scum so too is Release (though either could be SK). Release is not the best lynch today. The vote swappers are much better targets because their actions are clearly not town motivated. Can anyone who has played with Release before comment on him being the kind of guy who thinks he knows better and has his own unique (read: bad) play style. There are nine players left, four of them have already claimed their full name/role two have claimed just their name. I would be happy, I think, with a full role/name claim after everyone has discussed it. With Kush and Release both claiming RB as well I'd like to finally get all our power roles out in the air and make scum fake claim now so that they have stories they have to stick to. I think we're at 6-2-1 now though we may be at 7-2 either way we are in a great position, why not force scum to play with the disadvantage of having a role (or lack of one) to which they have to conform. I also think that there are enough obvious targets for the NK and scum shooting blues would be better for us than scum shooting good players. Why bother to rely on our blues when we can rely on our play. Even if you are opposed to a full Role claim I would like all Role blockers to claim. Who they RB'd and why. Set-up speculation: Ignore it if you want. So we lost two Role Blockers night one and three claimed Role Blocks today, does anyone think that five roleblockers in this game is likely? (hint, I don't) At least one of them was not one-shot so I would guess that takes two rolls while the one shots (Fuba, Matt) are one since there were two roll block n1 and three d2 it seems like another one-shot rb and the scum roleblocker. So we have three one shot RBs, one infinite (now we should have none left) and the scum have one infinite RB. | ||
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On November 07 2012 08:04 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah... Or both... that I was the target and the perpetrator of a NK. | ||
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On November 08 2012 03:03 Acrofales wrote: Errr, why would scum have to RB you tonight? Don't you mean they could RB HIM and shoot his bulletproof off? However, all of this is Wildly WIFOM. Lets work with what we know instead of dreaming up hypotheticals. FIRST we need to find a framer. If Fuba is scum: he RBs me, scum shoot off SKs bullet proof and get town cred for being a confirmed JK. Wild WIFOM. | ||
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On November 08 2012 02:47 thrawn2112 wrote: when was that? When was what? You saying that? Check your own filter? Or when half of town thought I was town? Before Night Post came up Acro, Fuba and DP all had strong town reads on me, Draz stated a strong town read. Risk didn't look at me as scum asy more. | ||
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Either hits a protect or he was RB'd (which Kush was). | ||
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Weird, I was writing your name and Open Office auto filled 2112 on the end of it. So I've written it there before. Sorry mang, I'm totally wrong. | ||
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Thrawn: can you explain your scum read of me as anything more than 'seems to be so town it might be forced' On November 08 2012 03:20 Acrofales wrote: You are REALLY not thinking straight, just to make this theory work. It doesn't. If the kill was protected, are you adding a medic role into the process? If he was roleblocked, who roleblocked him (or alternatively, who roleblocked Release)? Note, you can't use mkfuba, because he was busy roleblocking you and fakeclaiming in the process. You are not only wifoming it up, but you are adding roles. Why do you want fuba to be scum so badly? Someone did rb Kush (he claims) and someone rb'd Release. So these roles do exist. (the medic is a stretch I agree). Mostly I'm trying to work out all the possibilities and Fuba as scum RB is one of them, however unlikely. On November 08 2012 02:58 Acrofales wrote: Ah, I see a problem. There is a roleblock missing in N1, even if Mattchew didn't use his. 3 possibilities: 1. Someone got RB'd but didn't claim. If this was Zealos' target we'll never know. 2. One of the RBers got RB'd. 3. Prom or I got doublestack RB'd. I'm guessing number 3. I can see a scum RBing Prom and a town RBing prom. Scum bluehunting while enough of town had doubts about Prom being scum. However, rather a lot of wifom here. or Matt or Zealos got rb'd, probably Matt since we assume he didn't use his RB. Gah. This is too much on my brain. On November 08 2012 03:38 risk.nuke wrote: Prom you're way pushing my "I'm warming up to you" alot. Who is the last two mafia and who is the SK. (I don't buy into theories involving additional blues, we already have an army of them) Remaining players: Myself thrawn2112 Promethalax DarthPunk Acrofales mkfuba07 drazak kushm4sta Release People have been requestiong them so are are my overall thoughts: Town: thrawn2112, kushm4sta. + Show Spoiler + I belive thrawns claim and while kushm4sta is a terrible player he's done nothing to warrant doubting a greencheck. Likely Mafia: Drazek, Promethalax, DarthPunk and mkfuba. Maybe Mafia: Release. Likely SK: Darthpunk, Acrofales. Maybe SK: Promethelax. Okay, sorry I'm over pushing that. I read it as a burgeoning town read not as a 'not as scummy as some other dudes' read. I guess I was wrong. I would love some descriptors to explain why your lists are what they are. Acro: could you post your town scum reads, which ones differ from Kush's? | ||
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Risk, baby, why do you think thrawn's claim is better than fuba's? If you think fuba fake claimed am I more likely to be scum with him in an incredible gambit or town and the target of said gambit and, likewise, if I am town what does that say about him and what would it say if I were scum? Acro, would you claim too? I don't think it is worth our time protecting blue roles anymore. Our play is much more important and our over reliance on keeping blues secret is as dumb as Kush's names. We as a town should be able to bone this scum team without hiding our roles. This is a set-up where there are too many blues and I think making the mafia fake claim now so that they can't at lynch helps us a lot more than hiding what roles remain. Unclaimed: Me and Acro (roles), Risk, DP and Release (roles and names) This list comprises most of the people who anyone finds scummy in fact I'll be willing to bet that at least one scum and quite probably another or the SK is in the Risk/DP/Release group. | ||
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##Vote: Drazak + Show Spoiler [Acro look here] + You should claim+ Show Spoiler + you know why?+ Show Spoiler + I'll tell you why+ Show Spoiler + if you put me and you together we'd be like the water in mexico. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [my own list] + Town: Me Likely Town: Acro (could also be an awesome SK) Fuba Leaning Town but not confidant in: Risk DP Not Sure: Release Thawn Scummy: Kush Draz The only reason I have an issue with this is that it gives us a very inexperienced scum team in what seems to be an already heavily town favoured set up (based on the blues) though if we started 9-3-1 WBG might assume that SK shoots with scum at least n1. Does anyone know WBG's preference as to weather he does true RNG for teams or RNGs with balance in mind? | ||
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not what I meant. Figure it out, we're not red. Kush true facts, where did I say recently that he hadn't? + Show Spoiler [list of roles claimed and names of tho…] + VT: Kush Draz 1-shot cop: Thrawn 1-shot JK: Fuba Jessica Rabbit: Acro Marvin Acme: me Not Claimed: Risk, DP, Release | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:05 kushm4sta wrote: @prome drazak already claimed @acro why is dp SK or town and not scum? oh, you think I was talking to Draz in the spoiler labeled "Acro read this" That was for Acro. | ||
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I am Marvin Acme the VT. I tried to make it seem like I was a newbie blue by being secretive as to my role to hopefully pull both the NK and a save. Clearly that worked so I'm pretty pleased with myself. Risk, Release and DP, it is claim time. | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:27 thrawn2112 wrote: why didn't you claim being roleblocked n1? WHY DON'T YOU READ THE THREAD!? | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:32 mkfuba07 wrote: Prome, I saw you basically beg to be saved twice, I believe. I decided to go with it XD Yeah, I begged for the hit and the save, lol. Since you are here care to comment on anything going on here? | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote: i believe acro's claim Why? What do you think about mine and Risk's? Why don't you read the thread? | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:52 thrawn2112 wrote: I thought he was town before the claim and it matched up ok with other things that have heppened in the thread Risks's and yours mean nothing, anyone can claim vt lol No seriously, why haven't you been reading the thread? Did you have blue reads on me or RIsk, did anything change for you because of those claims? | ||
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On November 08 2012 06:58 thrawn2112 wrote: what do blue reads have to do with anything? what kind of accusation is "why haven't you been reading the thread?" honestly, what helpful answer could you possibly hope to obtain from that . and no i didn't have blue reads on either of you, especially not risk. and like I said, vt claims mean absolutely nothing, if you don't realize how that works then go look at the end of D2 again. I don't like your reaction, I asked because I wanted to see your response but what you have given me is defensiveness and no answer. This has been a trend for you this game and the fact that you get defensive about it instead of feeling bad about it reads as a scummy mindset to me and not a townie one. Green claims mean that we can't fake claim other roles if we are getting lynched. That is why they matter. More Set Up Speculation Ummm....I know we aren't playing C9++ really but if we were: 3 M = 1 1shot and 1 full JK 3 B = 1 1shot and 1 full Role Blocker 1 C = 1 1 shot cop that is all seven roles with no T so, in normal C9++ we would have Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather but no SK, now I know this doesn't follow those rules per se but that seems like a good system to base our ideas on, the thing is that for an SK to be present we'd need one T which would mean that one of the 1-shots doesn't exist, either Fuba or Thrawn would be scum and I'd vote thrawn before fuba. | ||
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