EPTHe's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now.
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He's fitting the category of "A liability who has a fair chance of popping scum" and I'm up to kill him right now. | ||
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From liquid city: On October 14 2012 08:23 Z-BosoN wrote: Yea that's making me uneasy on who to vote. The biggest tagline of my voting on ShiaoPi is being useless with a fair possibility of being scum. The biggest tagline of me wanting to vote DP is that I actually find him scum. Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7. Second of all, I actually did spend quite some time pondering whether I should give the vote hammer or not. Why are you attacking me right now, and not before? Makes 0 sense. The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so. @Hapa All of a sudden? So I spend like 10 posts saying why I think you are suspicious, and you say, "all of a sudden"? Fuck off. Not willing to lynch you != I think you are townie. I have no heart defending myself here. Most of this shit comes from a lack of reading and erratic interpretations. I've made cases vs. kei and hapa, but concluded that v7 deserved the best lynch. How is this fucking scummy? Better yet, how is this scummier over ppl like kei and v7 who aren't doing shit? Wanna talk about sheeping? Try Kei, who hasn't done shit and suddenly goes for me as soon as DP opens the door. | ||
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On October 23 2012 03:17 austinmcc wrote: Z-BosoN, could you answer this in more detail? Why would townie austin have been all over drazak and DP for their early posting? Austin, in LVII you were going after me because I was asking about certain roles. Oh, and some other things that pretty much included everything I said. In Liquid City you went after me because I talked to Node. Do I really need to be more specific than that? | ||
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I don't see why you think this is important, though. If I were pushing a vote of you solely because of this, then you might have something to go on. I was satisfied with your looney filter and never breached that topic again. Entertain me with why you are so interested about it. | ||
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Talking about expectations, I hope you realize how weak this is: On October 23 2012 01:35 DarthPunk wrote: Just looking over ZB's filter he has barely pushed v7 at all. The cases of his on both hapa and Keir are much stronger IMO and have a lot more time invested. Townie ZB tries to canvass support hardcore when he pushes like that. But this game he hasn't really bothered. I would fully expect ZB to be pushing Keir right now. As most of his interaction has been towards him. I would not expect him to just lynch a 'liability' like that. Especially when he has his own cases that he usually tries to canvass support for. It's like he doesn;t care about the lynch as much as usual. For reference. In XXVIII when I caught Kush with a super obvious scum slip ZB STILL did not want to lynch him until after kush was being bussed and went full troll mode on the thread. I went over his scum filter from XXIV briefly.That is like the only game of his in which he pushed lurkers happily over those he had made cases/reads on. I push cases when I feel the need to. I've made my case against Kei, and had nothing else to say. My case against him isn't lynch-worthy, in my own opinion. Also, note how I did not quite kill v7. Several people wanted to insta-kill him, yet I felt pretty scared of laying my vote against him, and argued a bit against it, trying to give him another chance. Now that he is backing posting, he took the chance I gave him and wiped his ass with it. Now I find I actually want to lynch him, more specifically because of that. | ||
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It's not that you SHOULD be attacking them, when the fuck did I said that. Also, reference the quote I put from DP. He's doing pretty much the same thing, except he's calling me scum for it. This is weak on its own unless it goes along with a stronger argument as to why people are thought to be scum, and it is why I'm not bolding your name. On October 23 2012 03:49 austinmcc wrote: I'm trying to read you. Your comment about who I should be attacking sticks out to me. I personally disagree that I'd be going after those targets, but I don't know if: (1) I'm wrong; (2) you really think that and have reasons behind thinking that; or (3) you just tossed that comment out there without reasoning behind it. You explaining yourself helps me choose between (1) or (2) vs. (3). | ||
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On October 22 2012 06:39 Z-BosoN wrote: Hapa, not sure I follow you here. It's funny you got all riled up on the word "unjust". Initially, I had written "retarded", but I didn't want to sound like a dick and start a war. So I used a word that better describes what you are doing. You are using a fraction of one post I make to deem me hypocritical. So, based on your weird-ass interpretation of the word "unjust", you unvote someone you were uber confident on, before he went afk for an additional 12 hours or more. Very interesting, to say the least. I'll mull this over dinner. Also, having an "easy" read is not scummy by itself. If you look at that post you quoted, it's just a bunch of things that aren't inherently scummy, but when put together are sufficient for me to be suspicious of you. I'm not attacking you BECAUSE you made easy reads. I'm stating my suspicions on you and using that fact and many others as parameters. | ||
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On October 23 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: Now I'm generally fairly sympathetic towards inconsistencies, since I can be very inconsistent myself as town. In particular, misrepresenting the stances of others isn't necessarily scummy, and I've fell victim to tunneling people on that in the past. However, misrepresenting your own stances is much scummier IMO. Especially when it reads to me like you're bullshitting your reasons for suspecting a player. I know I was going to wait on v7, but I've convinced myself. Unless I hear a good explanation for your "reasoning" above, my vote is squarely on you. ##Vote Z-Boson Please be more clear if you still think this after my explanation above, and please be more plain as to why the fuck I'm scum. I can't defend myself vs. blatant exaggerations of what I post. | ||
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On October 23 2012 04:21 Hapahauli wrote: No you are still bullshitting. What part of this statement shows a "different event"? Fact of the matter is, you attacked me on an "easy read", and have relentlessly redefined your notion of "easy read." In fact, you attacking me for the unvote was a very secondary event in your overall suspicions of me. What? Someone above me attacked me saying that I was attacking you for making the same read I did. I thought they were misinterpreting me in that event, the one where I said I found your unvoting of v7 weird - you can note I called out a "misinterpretation". That other event, however, was not what I was referring to. That first instance I used the "making an easy read" plus other small arguments to justify why I had a light suspicion of you. You are treating this as if I'm using that sole thing alone to go balls out and attack you. | ||
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On October 23 2012 04:23 Hapahauli wrote: Simple. You have three different definitions of what you call an "easy read." None of them make sense with each other. List them please. | ||
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On October 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote: Or rather, what I'm asking of you is to describe how what I pointed out here makes sense in detail: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=25#491 Because the way I read it... 1) you initially attack me for my "easy reads" in general, explicitly mentioning the read on Kei 2) you then re-define "easy reads" to mean my read on v7 3) then you re-define "easy reads" again to mean my unvote on v7. Ah now I see. Let me clear it up, as I think you are misinterpreting my posts. 1) The part you refer to is where I said this: Your reads so far seem too... easy. I don't like how you agreed with me on the Keirathi case: First off, I agree there is room to interpret this as: Your reads so far seem too... easy. For instance, I don't like how you agreed with me on the Keirathi case: What I meant is this: Your reads so far seem too... easy. I also don't like how you agreed with me on the Keirathi case: This also makes sense by the way. You didn't make a read on keirathi. You just said this: Yah I'm a bit surprised at how little Kei has contributed so far. Early D1 caveats of course, but I always had the impression that his town play was very active on the early days. You mentioned you were surprised. That isn't a read. My deal with you agreeing me on keirathi was that you agreed using something else - his meta, which I found to be weird, granted that kei is generally pretty inactive day 1. I have to note, though. Right now you are the one that's lying. This was your first interpretation of my attack on you for "easy reads": As for my "easy reads", I still stand by them. I like taking stances early in the game. Sometimes I'm wrong about them (actually I was really wrong about DP in mafia LVII while I was alive), but it's a nice way to get things going. Also, I really stand by my town read on DP this game (he has 5 pages of filter already FFS). Starting to waver on Draz a bit due to his recent inactivity. Right here you refer to them as all your general town reads. You don't interpret them as them being on Keirathi. I then clear this up on my next post, item b), in red: On October 22 2012 05:19 Z-BosoN wrote: Alrighty. Read the bloodstains. Referenced for ease of response. This later part on austin's case I'm going to respond here, because I have MAJOR issues with it. 1) I asked him for his town read on keir.. 2) What? What logic don't you follow. His logic seems pretty clear to me. You are treating the events "v7 sticking out to him" and "the DP situation" as separate events. To me it seems quite clear that he is troubled with v7 because of his "easy voting" on DP. 3) It looks like a defensive impulse. Are you saying it makes him seem scummy? I REALLY dislike point number 2). Wtf, I say. I'll quote it here so people can see: b) I have no problems with your town read on DP. I agree with them. I don't understand why you felt the need to bring this up. I don't think I mentioned that I was troubled with you taking stances early on. My trouble was with the "easy reads on scum, and I think this was quite clear when I mentioned v7, the "easy read" I'm referring to. Then you did not mention this again. Now you are attacking me for being dubious on what I meant originally way back on the "easy reads". This is the second time I get the feeling one of your cases is fabricated. It's not just the interpretation - it's your change of what interpretation you are using that bothers me. Also, on number 3), I don't know what you mean by this. Where the fuck do I change the definition of "easy read" in this post": Hapa, not sure I follow you here. It's funny you got all riled up on the word "unjust". Initially, I had written "retarded", but I didn't want to sound like a dick and start a war. So I used a word that better describes what you are doing. You are using a fraction of one post I make to deem me hypocritical. So, based on your weird-ass interpretation of the word "unjust", you unvote someone you were uber confident on, before he went afk for an additional 12 hours or more. Very interesting, to say the least. I'll mull this over dinner. This is a whole other deal than my concern with your "easy read" on v7. Right now I'd like you to answer why you are blatantly changing your interpretation of my posts | ||
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3) then you re-define "easy reads" again to mean my unvote on v7. I quoted the wrong post because THERE IS NO POST THAT HAS ME CHANGING MY DEFINITION OF EASY READ AS YOU MENTION IN THE ABOVE. In the post you quoted, WHERE THE FUCK AM I REDEFINING "EASY READS"??? Please fucking explain to me how can one go from this: Also, I don't get why people are thinking I'm sheeping. First of all, there's not really much to say on v7. Second of all, I actually did spend quite some time pondering whether I should give the vote hammer or not. Why are you attacking me right now, and not before? Makes 0 sense. The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so. @Hapa All of a sudden? So I spend like 10 posts saying why I think you are suspicious, and you say, "all of a sudden"? Fuck off. Not willing to lynch you != I think you are townie. I have no heart defending myself here. Most of this shit comes from a lack of reading and erratic interpretations. I've made cases vs. kei and hapa, but concluded that v7 deserved the best lynch. How is this fucking scummy? Better yet, how is this scummier over ppl like kei and v7 who aren't doing shit? Wanna talk about sheeping? Try Kei, who hasn't done shit and suddenly goes for me as soon as DP opens the door. into this: 3) then you re-define "easy reads" again to mean my unvote on v7. Oh, but folks, I used an s. Omg. Big fucking woop. Did I not later say I meant v7? Much before I had any suspicion on that regard? Oh, no big deal? Let's pause and think here. At first, you didn't find anything special about it, not even when you were suspicious of me. Now, suddenly, when I actually have votes on me, you redefine your own fucking interpretations on what I write to make me look scummy, even though they had already been cleared a long time ago. And, ironically, your argument against me is that I'm redefining my definition of "easy reads"? Man, your whole fucking case is based on your dreamy little fantasy world interpretations of every fucking thing I say. Turn your demented tunnel vision glasses off and realize how bad your current case on me is. Even DarthPunk's arguments make more sense than yours. Unless you actually say something that actually doesn't make me want to strangle you to your death, I give up trying to convince a rabid dog that a rock is not a steak. | ||
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For some reason, you're forgetting and changing the rationale of your suspicions to suit your own interests. Anyways, since I have three votes, if someone wants to vote for me, please say why, and be very clear, and let me defend myself before you vote, I'm actually giving a shit about this game and am already being twice as active as I intended to be. Don't just agree with hapa because I genuinely think that his case on me is full of shit, mixing in a really really forced interpretation of things that weren't even important in my posts, please see the exchange above as unbiased as you can and remember hapa is the tunnel-vision king. | ||
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On October 23 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote: But let's lay it out for the town to see: What did Z-Boson make this post in reply to? Well let's take a look at what just happened in the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=24#462 Here's kei's case on Z-Bo. In particular, this line: There it is, plain as day. Z-Boson is not consistent about why he attacked me. He's not referring to a "separate event", he's specifically responding to Kei's case, about the question of the "easy read", and is mixing up why he's suspicious of me. [/QUOTE] The main problem is here I think: [quote]Kei explicitly questions Z-Bo on the "easy read" and why he is holding a double standard for it. Z-Boson directly responds to KEI's CASE with the following, oft quoted line: [Quote]The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so.[/quote] I said this already, but I'll say it again, for all town to see. I understood that Keirathi had somehow turned this: [quote]The hapa thing, I attacked him because he unvoted v7 when I completely disagreed with his reasoning to do so.[/quote] Into me making going after you for making an "easy read". Tbh I put so little weight in "you making easy reads" that I didn't even remember this other passage. I see now that Keir quoted out that part, but again, to be frank, I didn't read it. So see, that's why I mentioned "your unvoting of " when Keir mentioned "my attacking you of making easy reads", because I didn't read his quoted posts and immediately assumed he was talking about something else. Regardless, don't know why the fuck that'd make me scum. | ||
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On October 23 2012 06:28 Hapahauli wrote: Yo I sniped the shit outta you dawg. lol. Thank the heavens. Will read up address some other non-hapa posts soon. | ||
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On October 23 2012 06:26 Hapahauli wrote: Okeydoke I'm dropping the Z-Bo stuff. Starting to realize from my last post that Z-Bo could have read Kei's stuff much different than I. 180'ing the read here and calling him town (I DO WAT I WANT) - dropping the contradiction, everything else in his filter pretty much makes sense from a town perspective - willingness to jump on multiple people, making several consecutive reads and playing reactionary. Anywho, this is fairly good, because there are two people in particular who decided to chime into our argument without much to offer. Drazak and Vaderseven. Drazak This post was such an oddly timed comment. In particular, Z-Bo had a lot of suspicion on him, and he immediately soft-defends him and takes no stance. It's such an irrelevant comment, and I don't like how he's answering a question for me. He does this one more time with iamperfection: He actually defended you, when I attacked you for your change in interpretation. But regardless, that comment was weird as fuck, and completely misplaced. He takes priority over defending you over making any contributions? Weird. This is completely balls out WTF. Why is he bothering to defend iamp out of the blue?? Now Draz is lynch-bait, so I'm a bit hesitant about jumping on this, but this looks pretty scummy at face value. From these posts you quoted alone, I get a feeling of absurdity rather than scumminess. I have to do a bit of thinking and actually read some of his filters to see if it fits more noob town or noob scum. Vaderseven: This is just the strangest comment. He jumps in and pretty much calls him scum, despite his overall very neutral reads on players, as well as his general distrust of D1 reads. Pretty odd. I don't think he is calling me scum.. he called me a jerk. imo this is just a null-tell, since I pretty much was a jerk. I'll draw conclusions once I'm satisfied with my read on their filters. I have to go for now, but expect a post later on tonight. | ||
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On October 23 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote: My head hurts. Now I know what it looks like when me and VE shout at each other for pages ^^ Unless I missed it, I don't think Z-Bo ever answer Kei's original question of where his v7 scumread appeared from? I've just been through Z-Bo's filter and it indeed just appears and I can't find an explanation. Hopefully I'm not being a fucking dumbass. Z-Bo, explain please? Further, what is your current read on vader and why? Hapa has the right idea with his drazak and v7 post. 1) When two people are shouting at each other, the natural scum reaction is to let it roll, or even throw wood on to the fire, rather than actually do anything about making it stop. On a little sidenote, it's why I found austin's play kinda adorable, because he was trying to push a policy idea but was being roundly ignored, so his reaction was to keep pushing the same idea in the same way, only to be unsurprisingly ignored again  Anyway, vader fits perfectly into the throwing-wood-on-to-the-fire mould, basically egging on the aggressiveness in the thread when there was no need for him to do so. Also, unlike austin, I see his 'I'm going through filter' thing as pretty scummy - like he's going through the motions rather than trying to push something constructive into the thread. BUT LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE'S SHIT?! No. Don't buy it. Every time I see vader post, he's not making me think any more that he's town. This scumbo gotta hang. ##Vote vaderseven. I don't feel that it warranted any explanation. He dropped an easy comment and disappeared. Didn't bother making a repeat of other cases and saying I agree with them. 1) I think this is vague. That's certainly what scum do, but we can't find scum based on that alone. Also, neither drazak nor v7 "threw wood on the fire". You know who did just that? Keirathi: On October 23 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote: @austin: I'm not exactly sure what you want from me? Just dump a big list of any thoughts about every single person? That doesn't actually seem helpful, and I am loathe to do it. I still think we should be lynching Z-Bo. Why do you think v7 was flinging wood in the fire, can you refer to the post? The most I can see is him calling me a jerk. | ||
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On October 23 2012 07:19 marvellosity wrote: look at vader's contributions and how they're not really connected to the goings-on in the thread at all, except for when he's shouting at people. Do you see this? Reading  | ||
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