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Ah I need a break from course work anyways. First TL mafia game. Sadly I dont know anything about Street Fighter, but it looks like flavor is just flavor. | ||
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For lurking I think it seems even more of an issue in Newbie games than regular games because too many lurkers results in mafia wins most of the time in the Newbie games I looked at. That said, if we get any confirmed mafia I'll always vote confirmed mafias over suspicious lurkers. Btw Im a noob ...  | ||
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It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. On October 25 2012 14:11 Rad wrote: EBWOP - I also agree that there's no point in lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. That's not what I said originally but is what he's trying to make it seem like I said. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: You're pushing for "have confidence, the scum will show" while I'm pushing for "find the scum, if you're confident push it, otherwise we should lynch lurker". That stance seems completely reasonable to me. Does it not to you? @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite. ......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed. | ||
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Also, I found Mr. Cheesecakes to be interesting. No town or scum tell; I just want to read more of your posts. | ||
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I dont like debears playstyle, but I think hes town which is what matters. He seems like one of those people who needs to be right, which by itself would only be bad if he tunnels, but it looks like hes better than what I took him for. I think hes town because hes been so unafraid at this point, and sticking out a lot, both traits mafia tend not to have. Rad seems town to me. Hes been called out the hardest and has adequately risen to the accusations against him. Pretty sure its a case of townie against townie, just as someone earlier said. djo just likes to ask questions, so I cant tell about him. I think hes more likely town than scum, as hes contributing more than a scum needs to. Id love it if he suddenly came out with info he got from questions with strong reads and stuff like that. As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. | ||
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I would never have posted such an awkward response if I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. -before someone wastes time going 'OMG scum slip' on that. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote: What scumhunting exactly? I didn't ever see you do something that would qualify as such. On October 26 2012 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote: To be devils advocate for a second, I imagine he means he's scouring the comments intently. Whereas your definition of scumhunting is probably closer to "actively engage with people to make them mess up"" Thanks clarity. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. Pure WIFOM. You said you wouldn't do it as scum, but if you are scum, you could do it, point at it, and say "I'd never do this as scum". It's impossible to get a read on your original answer, but the INSTANT you try to argue with "I'd never do this as scum"-WIFOM shit, it gets me riled up. Don't do that. It doesn't make you look good. Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM. So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless. To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. If you dont like it, tough, but I dont like it either and Im quite frustrated about it. Whine about it if you want, but it is what it is. | ||
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-Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours. | ||
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On October 26 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote: Why we should lynch Inig First of all, I would like you to read Inig's filter before you read this case. It's not going to take you long time and you should also make your own opinion by yourself. I would like to lynch Inig for the following reasons
Total lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + Even if he is claiming that he has done some scumhunting, Inig has not given us any scumread and has asked a total of two questions to other players. He is not putting pressure or anyone or trying to understand the motives of anyone. On October 25 2012 15:39 Inigmaticalism wrote: Ah yes i see, the 'why' is more important than the 'what'. Excellent, Sylver answer Djo when u wake up. On October 26 2012 08:34 Inigmaticalism wrote: Right now I dont have any scum reads, only town reads which Ive already said in earlier posts. So I would lynch one of the lurkers probably. Also, Djo you seem to be the only one really going after me, so while your asking everyone what they think of me, you should answer your own question. what you you think of me? -Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours. As you can see, he is not really committing, even when he asks some questions. Emotionally detached from this game + Show Spoiler + When I'm reading Inig's filter, I have the feeling that he is spectating this game and not a part of it. This is a characteristic of mafia players. He tries to look active by telling us what is going on in the thread in his view but he is not giving us extra information. This post is a perfect example of such an empty posing style. On October 25 2012 15:27 Inigmaticalism wrote: I have a thought regarding the Rad-Debears argument, over the whole 'confidence' thing. Its possible Im wrong, but it seems that Rad views the world in a more 'logical' way, meaning that in this case (playing mafia) having sound logic and scum reads will naturally result in confidence from said logic. Debears may happen to be more 'emotional', in this case where having a strong will/confidence allows for people like him (and me) to be very logical when there is a strong emotional base beneath them. You've both brought up the pros and cons about each type of viewpoint, so it should be beneficial if you guys watch out for each other. It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite. ......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed. Attempt to gain town cred by using a WIFOM argument + Show Spoiler + This is the most incriminating point in my opinion. Please have a careful look at the following part from Ini in bold font. On October 26 2012 03:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: /snip As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response if I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. How can you show that you are town by not answering question ? Why does he bring something like this up ? Mafia players usually try to get as much town cred as they can, for whatever weird reason. I think he knows his reason to claim town are bad and that's why he is backing it up by a WIFOM argument. Alright here we go. 1. I deny nothing about not scum hunting. I have only had time to read the thread, and have found town looking players: debears, rad, djo(tho im not sure anymore, more on that later). As I said, I will have time in a few days to do proper scum hunting. If you feel that is not a risk worth taking, so be it. Ill give my scum hunting/reading in my next post. -And, if your going to pull out reasons to lynch me based not on what I have done, but what I havent done, then perhaps you should also look at Oats and Imcasey who havent scumhunted OR contributed (or at least tried) Or posted at all. 2. Ha I am anything BUT emotionally detached from this game. In fact, Ive been getting so emotional I dont think I can or should play mafia games and just go back to watching/reading them. All the logical things I want to say and rules I want to follow fly out the window, and its dumb. Here is Mr cheesecake calling me out on it: On October 26 2012 13:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And to respond to Djodref, since he is always asking about people's reads on Inig. On Inig: The only two things I find suspicious about him are A.) Him throwing a tantrum over the WIFOM incident. "This argument is stupid" etc. I actually almost rage-quit and threw out on-purpose made-up scumslips and such, so I just got to working on homework and stepped away. Im not sure why you said im emotionally detached. Very odd. But you are right about spectating. In the particular post you quoted of mine, I was attempting to get Rad and Debears to drop their argument because it had shown me they were town and should therefore work together. Course they ignored me and kept on arguing policies and confidences and whatnot. So your accusation is false, unless you leave off the word 'emotional'. 3. Gaining town credit. I am going to split this definition so I can understand what you mean. I put that there originally to be a flag that I was town, for ppl to pick up on. Then cause no one got it or was simply silent about it, I used it as a defense, and then it became a WIFOM, or so im told. I understand a little better how WIFOM works cause I didnt know before (ironically it was you Djo who told me so) but Im probably still going to mess that up again in the future. So ya I used a WIFOM argument. I originally wanted (before the wifom) to gain town 'status' by showing I was town. Now town credit would certainly come by that. I see town credit as town standing, as in how much people listen to you. I actually think since you are the first one to bring this up you are a lot more interested in it. You can believe I was trying to get town credit all you want, but what would I use it for? What cases do I have to push? None. Even if I did get town credit, it would have been of no use to me, and it still isnt of any use to me now. And to put it out there in case I wasnt clear, I am a Vanilla Townie. "Ya, sure, everyones a town, etc". I know I wouldnt believe the claim I just made up front either. Im just letting you know Im not gonna come out with some crazy blue claim or cry for medic support later on. No tricks here. Last, I found a some fun information on Djo: On October 26 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote: @debears I think Inig fits the category of a semi-lurker trying to blend in. I don't like them much. Regarding Alsn, him lurking like this is not fitting his town meta at all. I'm quite suspicious of him at the moment. Moreover, I'm expecting a town Alsn to give more reasons for FoS me. I'm just trying to push him to check if his FoS was faked or not. Which means that Djo is voting because he thinks I am a semi-lurker, not because I am scum. He does however clarify better here: On October 26 2012 14:02 Djodref wrote: I have asked questions to many people, not only Inig and Roco. This is a misrepresentation of the reality. It's true that I'm focusing a lot on Inig but it's because I think he is scum. That's why I want people to give their thoughts about him. Criticizing Rad for his support of lurker policy lynch doesn't mean I don't want to lynch a lurker. I don't want to protect the lurkers or anything like that. I just don't want us to use blindly the policy lynch or to rely on it too much. If a lurker is scummy enough (like Inig in my eyes), I would lynch him for being scummy, nor for the policy. I think your FoS is forced by the way... So then he does say he thinks I am scum. So all I really want you to clarify Djo is whether you think I am actually scum, or am just the scummiest looking semi-lurker. If its the latter, based on what youve said at the beginning of the game that doesnt fit you. I would want to have more solid proof of scum. Although it is day 1 so.... I would label Djo as like 70% town. Hes been consistent and contributing. I think hes gone after me too long to be mafia. He has talked an awful lot though. Its probably more likely, with all his questions and style of scumhunting, thats hes a vigi or SK or something like that, seeing who he can get lynched (who he thinks is scum if hes vigi, etc), and then who he cant hes found his night targets. Just a thought. Fun facts: -Djo labeled me and Dandel as scumteam in pre-game *Personally with all his questions I think Djo is trying to get all his friends to tell him about me cause he secretly wants to date me | ||
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On October 26 2012 08:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm not sure how to comprehend this answer. Inig is obviously very distressed, as he's discrediting everything by calling it blatantly "stupid and pointless". Either he doesn't know how to form a coherent response to an accusation or is cracking under pressure. I don't like the response at all. With him going afk after this, I'm beginning to get suspicious of him. Oh ya and look cheese also calls me out about being emotional and freaking out in thread. His arguments good too, although I wish he put in a 'outside mafia influences' reason as well, but thats fine. I actually have found cheese to be more likely town than I said djo was, so this is why I called this out. -This point is not doing anything other than saying he read it. Like my earlier posts, it doesnt really contribute at all, doesnt really push me either except in the most indirect of ways. -The 'Im beginning to get suspicious of" me. Ive re-read my own filter. Cheese you should already be suspicious of me, not beginning to be. Ive barely been pro-town at all. -While those points are fun and are probably included in numerous posts in this game, I call it out because it seems like Cheese is simply trying to look good by joining a case that had potential to go somewhere (and so far has). I think what Im trying to say is that I read it and then after re-reading it I realized it had 0 content, but it looked like it did. No treally a scum-tell, but I guess I saw it because it seemed different than his other posts. | ||
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-Asln has posts (if im right) 3 posts so far. Almost just says 'Im here', but at least he contributes something (FOS at you mostly). I would want to vote for him later simply because he actually said something. -Sylvers interesting because he has tried to be helpful in his own way (role-hunting, player list repost), but once we made him clarify what he was doing hes been silent. Discouraged townie or having a hard time finding fact stuff to post? Really not sure. -Roco has 2 posts and says nothing. Yeah, policy stuff, but really policy stuff can be said at one time and then the player can vote however they really want to vote later. Once again, maybe townie shut down once he voiced his opinion? Cept hes scummier to me since he doesnt say anything. Roco and Asln, post a few more posts! They can be real simple, just give 1 or a few scum-reads and a few reasons/facts to back them up. Its ok if they rip you apart, they did me, its about getting some more info/different insight out there for town. -Dandel may be my biggest strong scum read. Its funny, most people go after those who post lots and those who post little, not those who post a decent amount(cheesecake, dandel) or not at all(oats, imcasey). Hes been fairly active, pushing different discussions here and there, nothing too major, thats what Ive been doing. Then he takes up a case against Roco, and not only is Roco probably the easiest target to target, but he doesnt even get real serious about it. He FOS to make it LOOk strong, but explains why hes being soft about it here: On October 25 2012 19:23 Dandel Ion wrote: @Roco: Are you planning to lurk? (by your posts, it doesn't look like you plan on being active) Care to explain to me how (probably) lurking yourself and lynching the most active players will help you find scum? Also, answer Djo's questions pls. (especially the second one) Until he manages to clarify that: ##FoS Roco I know it's possible he's just... well, a noob, that's why I didn't straight up vote for him. In my first game, I suggested a No-lynch day1 (though I'd like to think that I was more logical about it) But remember that we talked about playing the "newbie-card" in the beginning? Same goes for other people. I get a scummy feel off Roco, and I'm not going to ignore it because it's his first game. He also says how hes not going to let Roco slide, and thats exactly what hes done. Not one mention of Roco in the few posts hes made after that. And he seems to talk to all the semi-lurkers and Djo. Not sure if thats anything important, but Ill keep it in mind. THEN he tries to start EVEN MORE policy discussion, again, in my own words, "stupid (because I was frustrated) and pointless." Contributing to killing time rather than scum-hunting. No attempt to explain why not either, just getting everyones policy straight is "important": On October 25 2012 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Now what do you think about: Lurker policy Other policy Your thoughts on the developments in this thread so far Not only you, but other people should address those 3 things too. Talking about policy is not exciting, I know, but we don't have much else to talk about right now, and I'd really prefer everyone to take a definite stance on things earlier instead of later. Like I said, because you can simply change your stance and have wonderful excuses like "of course Id lynch scum over my policy, duh" or whatever, its wasted time. Not only does it look like its a pro-town move, but I would think mafia would benefit more from town knowing how people were going to vote. Swing lynches easier. (And that BETTER NOT be wifom. Cause I think its a darn good idea). - I am most willing to Vote for Dandel, and if I have any time for more scumhunting, it will be on you dan. Please feel free to reply to this so I can think about what to do before lynch-time. -Mr. CC I like his style a lot, and have thought he was very townie. However, I need to actually read what hes said just like I just did to dandel to see if its content or fluff, but I REALLY need to sleep, so I cant. One of you lurkers (or someone), take up this job while Im lurking between now and lynch-time. Otherwise Ill get to it Day2 if Im still alive. The only thing against him is the post I made a few posts up about him giving me a seriously stern 'look', where its almost like he defends and attacks me at the same time. So....interesting. -Da0ud is somewhere among my roco dandel alsn (discounting no posters) list, but I honestly have no idea what hes said, and without knowing this knowledge I would be uncomfortable voting for him right now. -And that leaves the rest of you Ive made the risky leap of faith to label as townies for now: Djo, rad, debears, and Mr CC depending on what he says and when I read all his stuff. I am very hesitant to do this, but I think I will have plenty of time to change my vote. I would vote for you right now Dandel, and will do so at the end of the day if you fail to answer any of my questions, but while we wait for your responses I want to poke for more information. ##Vote: imcasey Tell me why I should not vote for you. | ||
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A last note because I will show up 'late to the party': If someone is getting lynched and there is no one else close to getting lynched, AND there is little to NO resistance for the lynch of that particular player, something is wrong. Scum can just sit back and watch it happen, supah ez, cause its most likely a townie. If it was a scum getting lynched, the scum team is going to try to sway the vote however they can, directly or indirectly. Unless of course, the one being lynched made an obvious scumslip and was caught, then disregard this whole thought. | ||
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##unvote I voted imcasey over oats(now kush) by pure chance. I picked one name because I only have 1 vote. It appears it was utterly useless, and now has weakened me. The reason I didnt straight out vote Dan is because 1 or more people voting right before deadline out of nowhere scares me, but presuring didnt work the way I did it. So now of course Ill ##Vote: Dandel Ion Like I said I have no time to refute his case on me. I thought it was interesting how he reappeared right after I called him out, and then da0ud came out right after, but im not going to go off of times based on my own history. I also thought da0uds reasons to vote me were sad. If anyone can get any good scum-tell from him besides what was already said I would change and vote for him. See you in a few hours. *And for goodness sake, if Djo is scum hes put himself in an extremely risky situation, but is also being super pro about it. I want to keep him alive and see what he can do with his energy for defending himself put to the use of more scum-hunting. *and no more FOS this close to deadline. straight up vote. | ||
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I voted for Dandel to make it clear I think he is scum, and i have succeeded in making my point by the looks of it. And since I had not read da0uds filter, I did not want to vote for someone I did not think was mafia. I have since then read his filter and the arguments brought against him and will now vote for him. ##unvote ##Vote: da0ud I think da0ud and Dandel are a scum team. Reasons for: include they have each only ever talked to each other at least once, and the time Dandel talks to da0ud he says On October 26 2012 22:56 Dandel Ion wrote: daoud, I expect better reasoning than that. It really gets me paranoid when people sheep on cases like you did, this early in the game. which may be fine but it sounds way too personal for them never have actually talking to each other. Reasons against: them both jumping on me after accusing Dandel would be poor scum play. And at that point in time, the only other lynch target was Djo. So possible scenarios include them being desperate, meaning Djo is also scum which I find hard to believe, or really was just poor scum play. So idk, it makes more sense to me that they are a scum team but not certain. Now, the one reason I am hesitant to vote for da0ud is because of kush. Kush has been here for only a few hours and it is clear he knows what he is doing and to me is a power player. I like pretty much everything hes said. Normally I would just be wary of him but we have no history really to check him out on, so I am inclined to give less weight to his arguments incase he is trying to pull something because it is obvious he knows what he is doing. But I will still vote for da0ud because his argument seems well done, and because this will no longer be an issue after another cycle has gone by. | ||
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* I found it kinda funny my top townie reads were/are wanting me dead * On October 27 2012 08:21 Rad wrote: I'm going to have to go with da0ud for the reasons I listed previously. ##Vote da0ud Guys, what do we do if roco or imcasey come in last second and vote? Should we try to change our vote to them ASAP or let it slide and talk about it after? I was actually going to be dumb and keep my vote on dandel if it looked like da0ud would be lynched but I didnt because of how close the lynch has been and because of this exact scenario possiblilty. | ||
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Well, I would rather not claim or wait as long as possible because I think it makes the game more interesting from a generic standpoint. I claimed because I felt I had done a poor job with my initial posts, to both defend myself and give some security to town. I felt even while defending myself that I was defending a little more than I needed to, but hey too much cant hurt. If I did defend too much/strong for the pokes at me then ok, knowing the right amount to do something is something only experience can grant me. | ||
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On October 26 2012 23:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @ Inig I understand your concerns with this post, and I address them in bold. @ Djo Im calm about being lynched because its expected with me being gone so much, Im town but not a blue role, and Im actually calmed down right now (and when I posted that). | ||
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On October 27 2012 08:56 debears wrote: Kush He also called djo town while also calling him sk. Voting imcasy for no reason at the end of a case on dandel. How much does there have to be for you to see it? You even called your case not that strong Yes I said I thought Djo was 70% town, and to me seemed to be a role like vigi or SK in how he was playing. If thinking he could be Sk means I call him SK then ok. A better phrase in this post I made would be to replace 'town' with 'not mafia' because thats how I thought when I wrote it/ | ||
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On October 27 2012 09:10 kushm4sta wrote: sighhh he should have claimed. On October 27 2012 09:13 Dandel Ion wrote: @Inig: Sick association case, tell me more. I put reasons against. I already did. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Everyone What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. | ||
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On October 28 2012 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: I am looking into it now. I thought debears was acting different from how I kind of remembered him but he seems like he's fitting his meta ok. Town read on debears Will be back with other scumreads. My scumslip people are talking about what's a scumslip. I think Inig is town. I think djo was acting like he knew inig was town and also knew daoud was town. I would be pretty surprised if inig's performance is a first time mafia. I did not consider this thought (bolded). I need to think about this. | ||
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As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this On October 28 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote: djo is scum btw guys and then another post right after On October 28 2012 02:32 kushm4sta wrote: Djo is #1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will. #2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again. I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2. And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. | ||
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I also wanted to comment on you. While youve been in the same category Ive put sylver in (suspicious lurker) Im liking your more recent posts as they are actually contributing and also how you have not forgotten past arguments and cases and have brought them back up. At the very least it tells me you are to some degree attentive and serious. | ||
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I see your point, Im now interested to know as well. Based on what kush has already said though, I dont know how we are ever going to be able to confirm it. I will keep watching however. @Mr CC I love your post! I do not have time and am leaving immediately after I post this so I cant elaborate more until after day post, but your Djo's attempt to discredit me segment is profound. *I may as well not post anymore cause Im always proven wrong within the same page :/ | ||
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On October 28 2012 23:18 Alsn wrote: Resorting to name calling are we? "Openly disagree with your whole post", seriously? You expect me to let you off the hook by saying I'm stupid and terrible without even pointing out why my post is terrible? I love it how you try and discredit me purely on the basis that you think I'm bad. In fact, you are doing the exact same thing almost the entire thread criticised Djod for doing(with good reason I might add). This only reinforces my case against you, two people have called you out so far, first Inig, then me. Both times you've reacted with "Y U SO TERRIBAD?!?!". I expect better than that if you want me to consider you anything but almost confirmed scum. ##Vote: Dandel Ion And btw, you call me scum and everything after my case against you, but as far as I can tell have not followed through on it. Come out and say why you think I am still scum (and at least try to bring something original, dont just repeat everyone elses current arguments) or why you have changed your mind. Djo As I said I found Cheeses case against Djo promising, and I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be. Like really, why would Djo jump all over Cheese of all people when he himself was so wishy-washy about choosing between myself and da0ud (not reposting all that cause multiple people have already.) And im glad debears also finds this such a profound piece of evidence. Djo without a doubt cares about this game more-so than most anyone else. Also, kush more than once called Djo scum, although I wish he had actually gotten around to posting the case he said he wanted to. Djo's playstyle also has not changed. He is still defending a lot and then asking a question or 2 at the end of nearly every post. Not sure what to make of that, I dont know anyones meta. -To have these opinions I must explain Dandels pressure on Djo. Scum bussing scum? seems very unlikely, seeing how badly its gone. But it hurts when Dandel wont follow through with much. It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claiming, and if Rads claim is true that would mean a 4th blue role, which seems very unlikely. I want Dandel and Djo dead in any case. -The reason I am voting dandel at the moment and not Djo is because of his vote switch day 1 of all things. I agree with the theory he didnt care who actually got killed. But since I know I am town, I dont know why a mafia djo would decided to change his vote from me to someone else he knew was innocent? Sticking to someone would seem a better way to at the very least 'blend in' (as ive been told Im so good at doing) rather than be whimsical and flail around drawing attention. | ||
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On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. Here is my own quote for you guys discussing when I will contribute more. To be more specific, I have a big o' assignment due by tonight, so once its done I am fairly free for a few days and I want to find some original scum-hunting material regardless of what we already have, and (hopefully if I find some stuff) present it tomorrow b4 lynch. I feel like a lot of the time people dont look beyond the current vote. @Rad's = Vigi Eh seems legit to me. It feels much more authentic now than if he, say, claimed on Day 3 or later when there's not as much time to watch him for it. If its a mafia move its brilliantly risky because its given 'proof' about our main NKs theory and...something else.......I cant remember. Maybe something about how getting us to believe our own theories which could be dangerous if they arent true, but right now I cant think of why that would be. If anyone wants to explore this thought please do so. But I really like how Rad's claim fits with his past actions, like this one: On October 29 2012 01:38 Rad wrote: @Djo I didn't leave anything specific, like "I'm vigi" hidden in some text or something, sorry. Please take note at how bad I wanted kush's "lie" to be determined though. Inig pointed it out: I was pushing it hard, because in Ace's vigi/cop guide, his top priority is to SHOOT LIARS. All I had was dandel to help me with my decision. You can see I wanted him to confirm that he thought kush was a liar. | ||
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On October 29 2012 10:35 debears wrote: @inig "I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be for Djo being mafia/SK." This statment implies that you believe djos scum case is stronger than dandels, yet you vote for dandel Are you voting dandel because you find him scummier than djo or because his case is the only case you have made? Implied meaning added in bold. Dont be so particular. And I have already said why Im voting dandel over Djo. Also, your "lynch him before djo bc djo might be sk" idea is invalid. There is no way there is a sk unless its rad. Why in the world is there no way there is a vigi and a sk in the same game? Where did it ever say that? I don't like how you suddenly come from out of nowhere and instantly drop your vote on someone. You arent here for a whole day and automatically know someone is scum when all of us are having difficulty knowing so surely? Frankly my confidence is almost gone. All my reads have been point-blank wrong so far. I am sticking with my current opinions in the hopes that I cant be completely wrong about everything, and because others find merit in them. Alsn also found dandel scummy. Mr. Cheesecake's point about djos contradiction also found logical ground with you debears. | ||
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On October 29 2012 11:07 Djodref wrote: guys, I really would like to have some feedback on my last argument for a scum dandel. It's logical and damning as hell ! Its golden. Answer Djo Dandel. Why are you voting who you think is the SK? Its not even in towns win-con. | ||
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On October 29 2012 11:38 debears wrote: Um. Yeah it is. Now you are making up reasons/blatingly lieing. Game does not end for us until mafia and serial killer(if applicable) are dead. Djo ill look over the early d2 posts It is stated twice. On October 10 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote: The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia. On October 10 2012 10:11 thrawn2112 wrote: Town wins by eliminating all mafia members. No mention of killing 3rd party. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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To explain what happened: I ragequit. And I apologize for that, I had no idea I would find mafia so emotionally taxing. (Mafia LITERALLY takes 8+ hours a day to play properly, so if I ever play again itll have to be when I am out of school and real life demands are at an all time low. Oh ya, and itll be fun getting shut down by everyone who looks at meta knowing they can just make me ragequit if they want.) The whole town needs to also kill the SK but it wasnt specified in the set-up was the last straw. Ive seen set-ups that specifically say town needs to eliminate all third parties or all threats to town, and this one didnt. If its always assumed that this is the case Im sorry, because Im new. I am glad the hosts stated it was the case later though. In any case, I had already shown myself that I couldnt make logical posts when upset, so I stepped away. (Cheese asked what my last post (besides that voting one) meant, here ya go). By the time I came back, it was too late to say anything. the majority thought I was scum regardless (and still do), and it was shown when I voted and almost got lynched for it (ill get to that in a minute). Besides, no one listened to what I said before, why now? I was the one to first suggest Rad and debears were town, which went largely ignored, then suddenly people started coming to the same conclusion all on their own. Also, its EXTREMELY suspicious in my eyes that no one has ever challenged this at all, but maybe only because ive been wrong about everything. I was the FIRST ONE to cast suspicion/pressure on Dandel, only dandel and da0ud paid any attention. Alsn makes a case on dandel Day2, I join the cause Ive already been fighting for, and everyone says Im sheeping the case. ....WHAT?? Ok, sheeping: the act of following an argument you originally had that was brought up again by someone else. Or people just didnt read my 'walls of text'. (And btw, since Ive been wrong about everything, you Dandel are now leaning townie in my eyes. But not that it matters.) To me, only two things made sense: town was bad, or mafia were the active ones and had successfully gotten me out of the picture. (and/or Im really bad). I already knew I knew nothing and had nothing to go on. As time went on Djo became less and less scummy to me, perhaps because he was actually interested in playing the game and winning rather than everyone else who just seems to want to be right about everything. If my new theory that the town circle was infested with scum, why not vote against them? I decided if nothing else, I wanted Djo to see his goals realized whatever they may be, so voted for cheese as djo requested. (Sure, "if he was mafia you werent playing to your win-con". Yes I agree, accept at the time I decided I thought Djo was town, so I was.) Admittedly, this game has been one of the least fun things I have done on the internet, but that last minute Day2 voting crazyness was actually really fun, I have to say, regardless of how it turned out. And Roco earned points in my book for doing what I did too, that was sooooo fun. And the whole mislynch almost on me too. Would have been better than killing djo at least. This is my explaination, and I refuse to defend myself any further. It would be pointless. You have already decided what you are going to do with me (think in your head, you already know what youre going to do, even if you havent said it). All that you really want is my vote, which I am keeping for myself, and with it I will continue Djo's legacy against Cheese. And if Im still alive after that perhaps Ill follow Nack, although with him recently bringing the hammer of judgement down on the mafias I hope he lives through tonight. This town is horrible, and I am one of the worst ones, I know. Or, perhaps, its a newbish town vs a more experienced mafia, but within context both are still true. Im interested in seeing what the case was when the game is over. The reason I say this is because town is still arguing over lack-luster stuff!! The ONLY thing town has going for them right now in terms of finding mafia is luker policy lynching!! Thats IT!!!! It is OBVIOUS were screwed if there are 3 mafia and a SK like nack said, why are you guys arguing about it? The only scum-hunting cases at the moment are the ones against cheese and alsn because nack brought them back up because no one cares what djo said before he died, and everyones actually MAD about it (although since I think its the scum, that would make sense). I do not discount myself from this, because I know I said I would look up cases against people and havent, so I am as much to blame. | ||
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On November 01 2012 09:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I predict a little snippet by Inig, and I bet roco just plops down his vote with nothing else. Well at least you got down how Roco and I post  So uh its probably not optimal strategy to tell the mafia this, but I am utterly lost. I have no idea whos town and whos mafia, I have no idea what arguments hold merit and are worth following and which are ficticious. Didnt think it would be any more useful to say so every few hours. Now that I have some time I am going to do what I wish I could have done since the beginning, but now it will have to be simplified: sit down and map out everyones actions (much like what debears just did for Cheese) since day 1 in the hopes of at least learning something b4 this is over. Ill be around for quite a few hours, if you wanna give pointers, explain, ask questions, etc. Hopefully not huge discussions or ill never get this done  | ||
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On November 02 2012 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: His motivation is that I had been bringing up scummy things he was doing. Ya, good job. But dont pretend to speak for me. Its annoying. Just staying on Dandel would have made it seem like he didn't care who was being lynched. What? stop speaking for me, youre doing it again. Even Roco voted between the two of us. And Ive somehow missed the fact that he joined the bandwagon after Inig, and should probably have said inigma set it off and Roco joined instead of switch the 2 around. replied in bold. Im replying cause this post made me laugh so hard. Whew. Ouch. Ok im better now. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake If you want to derail the thread or the vote on scum Dandel or whatever at least try. Your first posts at least seemed good. *If we need a lot of help getting dandel killed I may help, idk yet. | ||
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Im off to work. I may or may not be able to stay active, depending on whose there.... | ||
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I had you pegged as suspicious, kinda half-there day1 day 2, along with like 50% of the people ha. I am reading you as the most likely town at the moment, because for this day 3 youve come out and talked a lot, and if you were scum why not just stay silent? Nack woulda come in, said a few important things and a few ambiguous things, dandel woulda talked to himself, and then silence. So if this is some elaborate ploy to secure a win if your mafia hats off to you for going the extra mile. nackh as I said I find convincing, which for me is probably not good. Plus how people have said hes being troll-ish, but hes still wanting dandel dead which alsn wants as well. So i just dont know... Dandel Ive thought was scum all game long. Is he really roleblocker? Idk, lets find out. nack, alsn, and I will vote for dandel if needed. Is ANYONE ELSE going to vote for dandel? cause its 2(3 if I join)/4 that we need. debears I had thought was town, but for this day 3 hes been gone cause he doesnt need to be here if hes scum and so far day3 has only come in to be angry. seems more scummy... Cheese. Lynch him for djo, and cause hes scum. although i think dandels vote on cheese is good, I think its just causing confusion in the thread. Roco: pro lurker. Im hoping hes town and was sheeping me and not just djo day 2 so we can get 4 votes on someone. If hes mafia, hes simply laughed in our face for the sad truth of how discussing lurker lynching policy day 1 never solves anything. | ||
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On November 02 2012 08:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Inig, you suddenly say you don't consider Nack confirmed town right when I accuse you of it (it was obvious you were buddying him up, don't deny it) I dont deny it at all. Very true. He actually comes in with scum reads and at least some sense of direction before alsn takes up the the djo mantle. Plus hes agreed with my ideas about you and dandel being scum. But lately im concerned, if its arrogant 'weve lost but I know im better' attitude or some strange mafia trolling idk. Still is making some points though. And will people please answer if they will vote for dandel?? We have 45 mins left | ||
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On November 02 2012 08:11 nackhtjogger wrote: Yes. That's exactly what I want. Delicious!  So youre saying they just gave us a list of townies? | ||
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On November 02 2012 08:11 Dandel Ion wrote: at least i said more "important" things than you did, though, I could talk about zebras and that sentiment would still hold true. Yes, sad but true. I give you that. | ||
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And oh I didnt see debears on dandel, we have our 4 if I switch then. Hmm. Well, what do you tihnk about voting cheese? | ||
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On November 02 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I love how inig shows up at the last second, in a lylo situation, the only moment where it counts to attempt to sway the vote. Need I say it again? Active lurking the entire game. Scummy as hell. Ya it is. But theres also no reason for me to be here you know. I could just popped in and sway vote that way. | ||
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K Ill just keep my vote on cheese then. | ||
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Ya but you wont. You wont listen to a dead townie, why would you listen to a live one. | ||
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On November 02 2012 08:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Or maybe they dictate it by being on their scumbuddy (hypothetically me) and counting on you to change onto somebody else. it's what i'd tell my scumteam. pretend to bus one, make it look "too easy", get off saying "no way they'd bus him in that situation blabla" you're too emotional. and you change your mind too much. grow balls. In other news, you're at least town. so that's something. this just in, cheese is also town. nackht + inig + roco or debears scumteam. at least i solved the game 40 mins before it's over, now i can say "told you so" in the postgame. small victories. On November 02 2012 08:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: May God have mercy on your soul, Inigmaticalism. On November 02 2012 08:56 Inigmaticalism wrote: Thanks Father Cheese OMG so good, so crazy... | ||
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Although I do feel better that I was 2/3rds right the WHOLE GAME. Maybe I should actually play mafia again some day. | ||
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And if I play again it wont be til around Christmas or later. Real life killz. | ||
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