Some stuff on Inig:
On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote:On October 26 2012 03:42 Inigmaticalism wrote:
As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. What scumhunting exactly? I didn't ever see you do something that would qualify as such. Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
To be devils advocate for a second, I imagine he means he's scouring the comments intently.
Whereas your definition of scumhunting is probably closer to "actively engage with people to make them mess up"" Thanks clarity. Show nested quote +Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way.
Pure WIFOM.
You said you wouldn't do it as scum, but if you are scum, you could do it, point at it, and say "I'd never do this as scum".
It's impossible to get a read on your original answer, but the INSTANT you try to argue with "I'd never do this as scum"-WIFOM shit, it gets me riled up.
Don't do that. It doesn't make you look good. Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM.
So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless.
To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. If you dont like it, tough, but I dont like it either and Im quite frustrated about it. Whine about it if you want, but it is what it is.
He gets extremely emotional, calling all of the accusations against him "stupid and pointless". The second he is being attacked, he feels the need to lash out emotionally.
On October 28 2012 08:51 Inigmaticalism wrote:
@Rad
I see your point, Im now interested to know as well. Based on what kush has already said though, I dont know how we are ever going to be able to confirm it. I will keep watching however.
@Mr CC
I love your post! I do not have time and am leaving immediately after I post this so I cant elaborate more until after day post, but your Djo's attempt to discredit me segment is profound.
*I may as well not post anymore cause Im always proven wrong within the same page :/
He never elaborates on my post. If he truly thought my arguements were profound, why does his first D2 post completely 180 from the idea and onto Dandel? He doesn't seem to really care about who's being lynched. Especially with his djo-dandel-myself flop in terms of thinking.
Here he gets angry again. I call him out for not contributing / active lurking in this post:
On October 29 2012 02:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Here's my promised snippet on Inig One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 28 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote:On October 28 2012 00:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 28 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:On October 27 2012 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 27 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On October 27 2012 21:52 kushm4sta wrote:
I know he's playing in the game and so am I... the game hasn't started yet though. He needed a fresh breath of pony mafia air because of the depressing shit that happened in this thread.
Djo I have not really put a lot of time into reading the thread and looking at filters, but my primary suspect just from preliminary observations is you.
I think your indecision at lynch time is a huge scumtell. It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. If you were town, and you really thought that none of them were scum, you would have tried to push someone who you actually thought was scum. But you did nothing except ask sylver endless questions with really no point to them. @ Kushscumslip much ? How is that a scumslip, Djo? @ Kush It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches.You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment. I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip. @ Cheesetownie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll. @EveryoneWhat are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo. I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion. + Show Spoiler +On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote:@Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:Djo is #1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will. #2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again. I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2. And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT On October 28 2012 01:43 Djodref wrote:Also if anyone has some questions regarding my case, it might be a good time to discuss about it now  So if you have some points against me that you feel that I didn't correctly addressed, I have a feeling that you guys are considering defense as important as scumhunting so I'm willing to defend myself as much as I can now. @ KushI'm not totally sold on you being scum right now: there is still a possibility for you to be town in my opinion. @ everyoneI would recommend everyone to be wary because it could be very easy for mafia to mislynch Kush right now if he is town. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I was mafia in my last game and we benefited from the greatest mislynch ever on D2 because nobody took the time to think about the lynch twice. So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all. This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough". It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all.
And in response to it...
On October 29 2012 12:30 Inigmaticalism wrote:
k fine im absolutely horrible. Which means rad, debears, Mr CC and/or alsn are the mafia. Good job.
His next post is a vote for me. Okay so he thinks Djo is a good scum candidate because of my case, proceeds to sheep onto the Dandel vote, and then OMGUS votes me because I called him out for lurking / not contributing. I also like how he doesn't even mention Roco or Nack as possibilities for being scum, but everyone else could be.
He voted me for two reasons:
1.) So he wouldn't be responsible for the Djo lynch.
2.) I was calling him out / had suspicions of him.
If I was lynched, everyone would be on Djo's ass right now and my suspicions of Inig would have been sated. If Djo is lynched, he looks good because he opposed it. Either way voting me is good for him as scum.
The response here shows that he only gets emotional / ragequits when someone has an argument against him (guilty conscience). A defense based on "I get really emotional sometimes, and that's why I can't defend myself" is pretty much BS. He's a pressured scum that can't defend himself so reacts by lashing out.
Later, he gives us the excuse about ragequitting and emotion.
On October 31 2012 07:09 Inigmaticalism wrote:
I have decided to relent a little, in the hopes that someone still alive is actually town. Yay for nack.
To explain what happened: I ragequit. And I apologize for that, I had no idea I would find mafia so emotionally taxing. (Mafia LITERALLY takes 8+ hours a day to play properly, so if I ever play again itll have to be when I am out of school and real life demands are at an all time low. Oh ya, and itll be fun getting shut down by everyone who looks at meta knowing they can just make me ragequit if they want.) The whole town needs to also kill the SK but it wasnt specified in the set-up was the last straw. Ive seen set-ups that specifically say town needs to eliminate all third parties or all threats to town, and this one didnt. If its always assumed that this is the case Im sorry, because Im new. I am glad the hosts stated it was the case later though. In any case, I had already shown myself that I couldnt make logical posts when upset, so I stepped away. (Cheese asked what my last post (besides that voting one) meant, here ya go).
By the time I came back, it was too late to say anything. the majority thought I was scum regardless (and still do), and it was shown when I voted and almost got lynched for it (ill get to that in a minute). Besides, no one listened to what I said before, why now? I was the one to first suggest Rad and debears were town, which went largely ignored, then suddenly people started coming to the same conclusion all on their own. Also, its EXTREMELY suspicious in my eyes that no one has ever challenged this at all, but maybe only because ive been wrong about everything. I was the FIRST ONE to cast suspicion/pressure on Dandel, only dandel and da0ud paid any attention. Alsn makes a case on dandel Day2, I join the cause Ive already been fighting for, and everyone says Im sheeping the case. ....WHAT?? Ok, sheeping: the act of following an argument you originally had that was brought up again by someone else. Or people just didnt read my 'walls of text'. (And btw, since Ive been wrong about everything, you Dandel are now leaning townie in my eyes. But not that it matters.)
To me, only two things made sense: town was bad, or mafia were the active ones and had successfully gotten me out of the picture. (and/or Im really bad). I already knew I knew nothing and had nothing to go on. As time went on Djo became less and less scummy to me, perhaps because he was actually interested in playing the game and winning rather than everyone else who just seems to want to be right about everything. If my new theory that the town circle was infested with scum, why not vote against them? I decided if nothing else, I wanted Djo to see his goals realized whatever they may be, so voted for cheese as djo requested. (Sure, "if he was mafia you werent playing to your win-con". Yes I agree, accept at the time I decided I thought Djo was town, so I was.) Admittedly, this game has been one of the least fun things I have done on the internet, but that last minute Day2 voting crazyness was actually really fun, I have to say, regardless of how it turned out. And Roco earned points in my book for doing what I did too, that was sooooo fun. And the whole mislynch almost on me too. Would have been better than killing djo at least.
This is my explaination, and I refuse to defend myself any further. It would be pointless. You have already decided what you are going to do with me (think in your head, you already know what youre going to do, even if you havent said it). All that you really want is my vote, which I am keeping for myself, and with it I will continue Djo's legacy against Cheese. And if Im still alive after that perhaps Ill follow Nack, although with him recently bringing the hammer of judgement down on the mafias I hope he lives through tonight.
This town is horrible, and I am one of the worst ones, I know. Or, perhaps, its a newbish town vs a more experienced mafia, but within context both are still true. Im interested in seeing what the case was when the game is over. The reason I say this is because town is still arguing over lack-luster stuff!! The ONLY thing town has going for them right now in terms of finding mafia is luker policy lynching!! Thats IT!!!! It is OBVIOUS were screwed if there are 3 mafia and a SK like nack said, why are you guys arguing about it? The only scum-hunting cases at the moment are the ones against cheese and alsn because nack brought them back up because no one cares what djo said before he died, and everyones actually MAD about it (although since I think its the scum, that would make sense). I do not discount myself from this, because I know I said I would look up cases against people and havent, so I am as much to blame.
Why does Inig think Nack is town? There is no reason to believe so at all. He also openly says that he's probably going to vote for me because I lynched Djo, or aimlessly follow Nack for whatever reason. What??? Either Inig is putting his full faith into Nack for zero reason, or they are scumbuddies and he's trying to play him off as town. In addition, he buddies up Roco by saying what they did (last minute votes) was "really cool". Also, it really wouldn't surprise me at this point if he voted Dandel, despite him saying he's leaning "mostly townie", as an attempt to bus in the event they are both scum or to just consolidate for a mislynch.
Inig's posts seem to be a fake cry that says "I'm a distressed town! Really emotional about this whole thing, because I do care!"
Inig says that he's one of the worst towns. Either he is the worst town ever, or he's scum trying to cover his tracks with this appeal to emotion and playing the newbie card. I find 4 blues to be more plausible (especially with no mason claims, the possibility of scum power roles, and maybe a miller) than Inig flipping green.
His actions are notoriously anti-town, even moreso than just lurking like Roco. At this point, I see no reason to not lynch him.
##Vote: Inig
@Debears + Alsn
Your votes on Dandel are basically just to consolidate with Nack, and rest on the fact that 4 blues is a wish-washy scenario. What do you think about Inig and his behavior?
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