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Anyone around atm? Let's try to spark up some conversation?! This feels completely dead compared to the last 2 nights. I'll give some initial thoughts: If inig is found to be scum at some point: 1. debears confirmed town - because he pushed so hard, i feel this has to be the case. If inig isn't scum, I don't think it says anything about debears one way or the other. 2. djo confirmed town? - perhaps, I say this because djo was one of the first people I remember trying to put up a case on inig, before inig was considered suspicious at all. It doesn't make sense (to me) for scum to bus another scum before there's any clear reason to. I say the above still thinking djo feels scummy at this point, so it's just a scenario of if we find inig to be confirmed scum, I feel like it would confirm him town. During the last hour before the lynch, djo was very indecisive and I don't know how to read that. At this point it's hard to view debears as anything other than town, but I don't consider him confirmed town yet. I do feel the urge to consider him town though. kush feels scummy after the lynch: I looked over some old content briefly, mostly kind of confused/depressed at what just happened so if I'm wrong here please let me know (I might have missed something). This was the scenario: for the case on da0ud: - first suspicion was by alsn - major case from nowhere by kush, he votes for da0ud - alsn agrees with kush and votes for da0ud I don't know kush's meta, and honestly it probably doesn't even matter here, but he was so quick for presenting a serious case on da0ud that in hindsight it feels scummy. Before, it just felt like "wow this guy must know what he's talking about," but now, just scummy. In hindsight, da0ud feels like the perfect target. Semi lurker, hasn't contributed too much, pretty much just like inig but isn't confusing, like he knows what his plan as scum is and is ready to stick to it. Because of that, it feels like scum made this happen rather than town made it happen and scum watched. Perhaps kush saw that and decided to run with it. I'm not convinced that kush is scum but so far he's the main one I glance at and raise an eyebrow to concerning this lynch. let me explain my vote: I voted for da0ud because kush's case was (to me) more convincing than anything against inig (debear's case, djo's case, + anything else I read). I think that might have to do with da0ud not being confusing along with kush's case not being confusing. debear's case on inig was not confusing either but inig himself is confusing. Maybe this threw me off. In hindsight, I think I should have done one of the following: 1. voted for no lynch. I wasn't completely convinced with kush's case, but I was more convinced with with it than the case against inig. If I'm not convinced enough, perhaps I should vote no lynch. I do not know what having a no lynch on d1 means for town (maybe it doesn't help at all?) so choosing this would have been really difficult for me. 2. voted for a lurker. As I said before, I think if we don't have a solid scum read, we should vote lurker. We had a total lurker that we could have voted for and 2 not-so-amazing scum reads. I wasn't sure exactly what would be best here and felt compelled to vote for one or the other. Because of that, I went with what I thought was the better case, but perhaps I should have stuck to my initial thoughts. Up until the lynch time, the only people I really felt I had any sort of scummy read on were debears, djo, and sylver. Everyone else, for me, was null or town vibes. I'm still not sure at this point if inig is scum. Nothing has changed there for me except how crazy it was that da0ud was at 2 votes then suddenly at 7. I need to hear more from inig, his thoughts on all this, I think he should be pressured hard over the next 24h, etc. I want inig to prove his innocence and I want it to make complete sense this time. sylverfyre I just want to state that I feel this guy's actions are completely questionable. If kush died right now and flipped town, I'd have to look at sylver next (even before Alsn I think). He's had a ton of sheeping and was (I think) the 3rd person to jump on da0ud bandwagon (4th being me if I remember correctly). He's the kind of scum I would imagine was waiting for the right opportunity to jump on a townie bandwagon. If he was scum, I'd be very likely to consider inig as scum because of his timing. His arguments are also very wishy washy, a little less confusing than inig's but along the same lines. FoS sylverfyre Final thoughts after re-reading my post Kush's super fast case against da0ud makes sense if inig might potentially be voted. He had 2 votes at that point, by da0ud and dan. Others votes were against imcasey, djo, and roco. It's hard to make a good case to vote imcasey and roco. It's especially hard to make a case for djo because we had been talking about him since the beginning, and he kept just asking questions and creating good conversation. It's easy to jump on da0ud though. He's an easy target like inig and dan were, but if inig is scum, kush would want to jump on the opportunity to frame someone else ASAP because every other vote was obviously going nowhere. FoS Kush | ||
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On October 27 2012 16:51 Djodref wrote: @ Rad Why are you nor FoSing Alsn ? He was also pushing for a daoud's lynch iirc... I found strange that you forgot him in your recap. It had to do with the order of things. Alsn was suspicious of da0ud (which seems reasonable considering how lurkey da0ud was being) before kush's case (doesn't mean they couldn't have been discussing it in the background, but then they have to be a scumteam). Kush comes out of nowhere and presents a case. This helps confirm Alsn's beliefs so he jumps on the bandwagon right away. The main problem I have with that is 2 votes for da0ud do nothing, and if no one jumps on their bandwagon, they both have to think of someone else to frame and then both have to make it happen quick (assuming in this case inig is the 3rd scum, which is why they'd be bandwagoning on da0ud in the first place). I didn't include him in my recap because I haven't gotten scummy vibes from him and wanted to make sure I at least had specific focus in what was a really long post by me. I do plan on looking into Alsn more. So far he is null to me, though after thinking it through a bit more above, with kush being so scummy looking right now, alsn looks much less so. Still, I need to read through his stuff more. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Everyone What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. I get Djo's point but not sure if I read it as a scumtell. I think it was worth bringing up as a pressure move though. We're all going to be reading kush's posts very carefully and looking for stuff like that. | ||
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Who's your biggest scum read besides djo? Let's say you're town. How did the da0ud lynch happen? Who looks suspicious to you in regards to that? Why do you think support for it ramped up so quickly? | ||
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On October 28 2012 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: How did the daoud lynch happen? Well he was asking for it number 1. We had no better lynch number 2. We had a pretty bad d1 with a lot of wasted talk about confidence and debear's dickmeasuring contest. I think what happened was the top 2 bandwagons were both town, so scum was just like LOL easy day. You know what sucks here is you came in late, so we never got your opinion on lurker policy lynch. Little late now but I assume, because of your actions, you're for lynching your biggest scum tell regardless of how solid you feel it is over a pure lurker? You've admitted you didn't think the case against da0ud was very good, just that it was better than the case against inig, so you chose a bad case over lurker lynch really quickly. Does anyone have any meta tells on this? | ||
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On October 28 2012 03:14 kushm4sta wrote: Scumreads other than djodref: sylverfire: a lot of words, very little content roco: why didn't this guy get modkilled... did he even vote? nacht: where's the scumreads? Are you reading d1 or what? roco is in the state of "to be replaced" I think | ||
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Whoa there ... Within 5 posts, you go from kush is slight scummy, to null, to slight town On October 28 2012 03:05 Alsn wrote: Okay, first things first. Da0ud was mislynched, the people who enabled him as a possible lynch target was kush and myself. Arguing about my own motivations is WIFOM hell so I won't go there. That leaves kush as someone I can scrutinise. I have difficulty accepting that kush preferring da0ud over Inig is somehow a scum tell. Truth be told the lynch targets we had available were all quite weak so he can hardly be blamed for preferring da0ud over someone else. However, two things do stand out to me. Like debears pointed out kush seems to be very selective in the way he argues meta. That in itself isn't necessarily a scum tell, meta reads have a tendency to be more "feel" than anything else. The thing I'm referring to with regards to his meta is his claim that he doesn't know debears meta. That's almost definitely a lie or at the very least some massive laziness, neither of which is very pro-town. The second point that I can agree can be seen as scummy about kush is that he presented his case against da0ud after I had called da0ud out for making very little sense. Scum using someone else's suspicions against another player is a very easy way to get a case to stick, especially in the situation we had where there was no real clear scum candidate for lynch. However, I would like to point out that I reacted to da0ud's Inig vote very quickly after he posted it. This means that it would be almost impossible for anyone, scum or no, to make an original case against da0ud. To me this means that we can't just jump on kush for using "my idea" to call out da0ud as scummy. I think we can all agree that da0ud was making very little sense at that point in the game and as such I think kush's actions towards da0ud is a null tell at best. I will look more closely into how kush acted towards other players however. If an argument can be made that preferring da0ud over Inig was actually scummy, then I'd be willing to see it as a scum tell, but with the information we have right now I just can't do that. I'm definitely suspicious about his attempts to discredit debears, so all in all I think kush is leaning towards slightly scummy. On October 28 2012 03:08 Alsn wrote: Of course as I'm posting, kush backtracks on his debears statements. I'm going to go ahead and assume him to be genuine for now, basically leaving me at ~null wrt kush. On October 28 2012 03:48 Alsn wrote: Fine then. I'll drop that part of my slight suspicions against you. Barring more information I probably consider you slight town at this point then. Please explain. | ||
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On October 11 2012 06:51 kushm4sta wrote: haha this cheesecake guy seems awesome... i wish i could in this game so badly On October 11 2012 06:52 kushm4sta wrote: /obs On October 16 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: can an obs replace? if not remove me from obs. also one of you better afk so I can replace. I love this cheesecake guy...but why did you have to bring up my fail TT You /obs and then drop /obs JUST in case you get the chance to replace someone. You've replaced someone. You're in! You can talk to mr. cheesecake now! Why haven't you said one thing to him or about him yet? | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:14 kushm4sta wrote: The only reason I would talk to someone is if they ask me a question or if I think they are scum. But you /obs'd, and then asked to be removed for the sole reason of wanting to play with mr. cheesecake. It makes no sense that you wouldn't at the very lease say something to him when you finally get the chance to play the game for the sole reason you wanted to play the game. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:16 Rad wrote: But you /obs'd, and then asked to be removed for the sole reason of wanting to play with mr. cheesecake. It makes no sense that you wouldn't at the very lease say something to him when you finally get the chance to play the game for the sole reason you wanted to play the game. EBWOP: least* not lease | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:23 kushm4sta wrote: It was not for the SOLE reason of playing with mr cheesecake. And yes it makes perfect sense that I didn't say anything to him because I had nothing to say. I didn't want to clutter the thread with stuff that wasn't contributing. Also what would I say? Hey cheesecake I like your name still? It WAS the sole reason. You wanted to obs, then you backed out because you wanted to get a chance to play with mr cheesecake. What would you say? Anything to make him talk. He was being hilarious pre-game and you wanted more, so you dropped obs for the CHANCE to play with him. Why have absolutely no communication with him when that's the main reason you're in this game? Could it be because you're talking to him behind the scenes? FoS Mr. Cheesecake Double FoS Kush | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Is this a scumteam association case based on pre-game banter? How does pre-game stuff have any relevance to this at all? It's more "real" than the meta discussion that constantly get thrown around, and people seem to pay attention to the meta discussion like it's THE way to find scum. kush, the person, not tied to a role yet, thought you were awesome enough to drop obs for the CHANCE to play this game with you, and hasn't said a single thing to you since he got in. Does not make sense. Once it makes sense to me, I'll immediately drop it. I really want to see other people's thoughts on this. I'm willing to drop it if everyone else thinks I'm a WIFOM idiot. Totally fine with me. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:23 kushm4sta wrote: It was not for the SOLE reason of playing with mr cheesecake. And yes it makes perfect sense that I didn't say anything to him because I had nothing to say. I didn't want to clutter the thread with stuff that wasn't contributing. Also what would I say? Hey cheesecake I like your name still? On October 28 2012 05:15 kushm4sta wrote: dont flame, my precious little dandelion | ||
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debears, kush, or dandel - can you link to the game where kush/debears were a scumteam please? Also really want inig's thoughts before end up night. Alsn, some input on stuff in general would be great from you too. | ||
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On October 28 2012 07:35 kushm4sta wrote: I want nachts thoughts most of all... he has been 100 percent useless so far. agree, forgot about him actually, really want some more input from him | ||
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Don't worry about roco, he didn't vote and is to be replaced ASAP. See the night 1 post where thrawn says this. | ||
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