Newbie Mini Mafia XXIX - Page 4

On October 26 2012 00:59 debears wrote:


Hold on there, Tex. What are you referring to in that statement?

The "town" comment to daud or the "are you mafia one?

On October 26 2012 01:00 sylverfyre wrote:
And Djo, you claim "no i asked him two questions" when both questions are basically the same.

debears case against Rad is developing interestingly, but Rad has a point - why are you trying so hard to save the lurkers?

On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears

You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"

Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.

You are advocating chaos.

If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.

##FoS debears

On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote:


Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it?

Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out

Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me???

On October 26 2012 01:28 Rad wrote:


This is some of what I've got from you and/or djo

1. Pushed the confidence theme hard, as if to make it seem like we NEED to have a scum lynch d1 rather than a policy lurker lynch.
FUUUUUuuu. You are doing it again. Policy lynching is just an option and it is a bad option in my opinion because mafia can avoid it easily, especially when town decides to apply this strategy from the beginning. Lynching a suspicious player get us more chances to lynch mafia. We should start to scumhunt in order to do so, not throwing FoS at each other for disagreeing over policy.
2. Acted overconfident as if it was easy to make a scum read on d1 (is it? doesn't seem like it, and that's not due to lack of confidence, it's due to lack of information).
I'm not saying it is easy, I'm saying it is totally possible and you should have this mentality rather than the policy lynch solution mentality. Would you like to comment about Inig by the way ?
3. Twisted people's statements, either responding with something that had nothing to do with the original statement, or focusing heavily on a particular statement as if to give it more importance than it really should have.
Please be more specific
All of these things feel scummy to me.

On October 26 2012 01:36 Rad wrote:


Also debears it's stuff like this (which he's done before in this thread, if I remember correctly) that just make me raise an eyebrow and give thoughts that you're both scum. He's so confident you're town already?! Because you're being super active and aggressive?

Maybe I'm just paranoid but I'm finding it really hard to believe anyone is town so far.

@Djo, you're coming across, to me at least, as very "happy go lucky". Like, you've figured it all out as town last newbie game, and you're back now as town again but 100% more confident and ready to take down scum! Let's do this my friend debears, who is clearly also town!

That's the vibe I'm getting from you and it feels really fake.

On October 26 2012 01:45 Dandel Ion wrote:

You don't get it.

You establish a lurker-lynch policy early.
Potential lurkers see it and go all "oh shit if I lurk I'm gonna die"
So they don't lurk.

If you say "nah I'm completely against lynching lurkers" or "We should lynch the most active people"
What do lurkers do when they see that?
They'll tell themselves "cool, I'm set"
And then they lurk.

On October 26 2012 02:26 Clarity_nl wrote:


Could you please expand upon this?

On October 26 2012 05:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So you're saying thats simply his meta? I'll take a look at his other games. Seemed suspicious though, as it stood out a ton from the other players.

On October 26 2012 05:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
Here's the thing. By pointing out the smiley thing, it is now irrelevant.
Unless you can say right now, that because of the smileys it makes him lean towards scum or town.
Regardless of smileys or no smileys in his posts from this moment, you changed his posts.
He will now either: Stop posting smileys because he got told it made him look guilty (both scum and town would do this) OR he will continue posting smileys because it would look weird to change the way you post (both scum and town would do this)

I also dug this up:

On October 26 2012 08:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


As you can see I basically insta-posted this response when you made your post.
Reason being it's a bit wishy-washy. "I agree with you but I'm not gonna change my mind"
It doesn't add up

On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote:



Thanks clarity.


Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM.
So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless.

To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. If you dont like it, tough, but I dont like it either and Im quite frustrated about it. Whine about it if you want, but it is what it is.

On October 26 2012 02:40 Alsn wrote:
My reasons for thinking Djodref is slightly scummy so far is that he is asking a lot of questions. That in itself isn't particularly scummy(in fact, done right it's pro-town as it pressures people into sharing their opinions and such).

The problem I have with it so far is that you keep asking people to answer you, yet your own statements so far amount to picking on the people who are being lurky(Ini, Roco) while at the same time criticising Rad for supporting lurker policy lynch?! This makes no sense to me. This in combination with the slip leads me to believe that you are trying to make yourself look good by being active. I can definitely see the possibility of there being town motivations for your actions so far, but I'd just like to point out that I have my eye on you.

So, with that in mind, FoS Djodref.

I'll see if I can't take a look at some of the other things said so far before I go to bed but if not, I'll do it first thing tomorrow as I will have a lot more time then.

On October 26 2012 08:22 Rad wrote:


I can't think of any good reason a townie would have to be completely unopen to changing their opinion on something regardless of the arguments presented. Worst case scenario for a townie is you're just not convinced by the argument so you keep your original opinion, then someone's not happy that they couldn't convince you.

Seems like a scummy stance. The scummy reasoning would go something like "I need to be consistent, and if someone changes my opinion on something, I'll look inconsistent, so I'm going to just make it clear that I'm not going to change my mind on this so it's dropped."

That's what you sound like with that statement djo.

On October 26 2012 08:34 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Right now I dont have any scum reads, only town reads which Ive already said in earlier posts. So I would lynch one of the lurkers probably. Also, Djo you seem to be the only one really going after me, so while your asking everyone what they think of me, you should answer your own question. what you you think of me?

-Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours.

On October 26 2012 08:43 Rad wrote:


You said "I won't change my opinion." I pointed out that I can't think of any good reason a townie would be opposed to changing their opinion if an argument is good. It sounds like a scummy sort of move, for the reasons I laid out. That's why I have an interest in it, because if you're a townie it doesn't add up, thus you come across as scum. I'm completely open to some reasonable argument for why a townie would ever have that sort of mind set.

I don't know why you're so interested in getting people's opinions on inig's post. It seems like you're just trying to divert attention. I would prefer that you finalized a subject before jumping to the next, otherwise it seems like dodging.

Regardless, I'll answer your question. I don't like that he won't have much time until sunday-monday. That's a lot of lurking and I don't feel comfortable with it. I feel like it puts him on the list of people to be suspicious about, but not currently something I'm too concerned about. If it comes down to it and we decide to policy lynch, he'd be on the list if he stays mostly inactive. I do not get a scum or town read from him yet, he's pretty neutral to me at the moment.

On October 26 2012 08:34 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Right now I dont have any scum reads, only town reads which Ive already said in earlier posts. So I would lynch one of the lurkers probably. Also, Djo you seem to be the only one really going after me, so while your asking everyone what they think of me, you should answer your own question. what you you think of me?

-Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours.