TL Mafia LVIII - Page 7

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 22:30 GMT

#3212

On December 29 2012 02:01 Kurumi wrote:

Mafia can at any point abstain from using their KP. They can even shoot team mates if they so desire. You can do both actions because you're crafty and night is quite long during the winter. You CAN'T attack with 0.5 KP(because you do have a full 1).
Mafia of 5 starts with 2.5KP. If they want not to use it for roles, they might deliver 3KP of damage (since KP is rounded up). Since there is no Watchers, Trackers, Bullet Bills or any other funny roles like roleblocker it doesn't matter if you do or don't decide who's delivering the KP.

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supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 22:59 GMT

#3231

you just need to follow the thread as i did...
really... am i the only one around here who reads?

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 23:17 GMT

#3234

Okay i wanna say something off topic:

What Marvellosity did and what Viscera is doing right now is extremely unsportsmanlike.
This is a game. And we all do it as a hobby. Kurumi was so kind to host this game and several others.
This is my third Kurumi game i think (or second, but i followed one more i think) and his games really are fun to play.
I love Kurumis set-ups because they are always surprising. That is part of Kurumi games and I love it.
Last game we had i think 3 Vets (2 lifes) and it was a tense game until the end.

These ragequits are extremely unfair and disrespektful. This is a game with 30 players. And I hate it, when 1 or 2 players destroy it with unfair ragequits.

VE and his limited ability to read the Hosts announcements and his stupid, unjustified rage towards the host is really getting on my nerves.

I am okay when you fake-rage or really rage towards other players. But the line is crossed, when you're spamming, insulting or provoking a modkill. WTF are you guys thinking?

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 23:44 GMT

#3238

You just don't get it right?
You provoked Kurumi to modconfirm you as a townie.
As if a scumplayer doesn't know how the KP work at this point of time
and even if you had been scum, I highly doubt, Kurumi would have been explaining this stuff to you in this thread right here.

I can write that here, because I am like 100% sure that if there is at least one decent scumplayer in this game here, he is just writing the same stuff to Kurumi and is asking for your modkill. The modkill I honestly believe you deserve for your shit right here.

You overdone it:

On January 09 2013 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

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I didn't say anything about using roles. I stated the rule I read in the OP. Is that rule incorrect?

How many KP did scum have during N2 before any roles were used? This is well within your ability to answer without giving anything away.

On January 09 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
IT STATES EXPLICITLY IN THE OP THAT THE SCUM KP FORMULA IS #/2 ROUNDED UP. PERHAPS IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND THE FORMULA IS #/2 THEN THAT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE OP YES?!

On January 09 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, rule-changing D3 is beyond my ability to cope with right now.

It doesn't even matter if this is the way it's been calculated since the beginning of the game, what matters is that I've been operating under a false pretense this entire fucking game up to now.

I'm done with this for now...maybe the OP will be finished when I get back.

On January 09 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

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I'd like you to define "keep playing". I thought it was pretty evident in the post you quoted that I'd be back, it wasn't anything like a ragequit, so I'd like you to quantify your statement so I don't get mod-lightning for no reason.

Because the rules are subject to change at any moment, this is important for my team to win - knowing exactly how much inactivity is deemed "playing against your win condition".

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 23:46 GMT

#3239

On January 09 2013 08:38 kushm4sta wrote:
you are out of line because kurumi was not incorrect when he wrote the op. it was just vague as to when the rounding step was taken.
It's as much our fault as his for not asking it to be specified.

Just read Kurumis filter. Everything is in there.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 08 2013 23:51 GMT

#3241

On January 09 2013 08:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
super, who are you gonna vote for? and do you have a legit reason for not dropping the logs yet?

well i need to talk to MZ first. As stated above he's very likely to be town.
We discussed some players, but apparently we were wrong about Hopelessder etc.
MZ foolishnesslogs will post the foolishnesslogs. And i have to read them.

Right now i don't know who to vote for yet.
One possibility should be Cheesecake. His filter looks really bad. We need to cut ScumKP down to 2.0 today.
The missed vigshot was really painful.
I haven't counted yet, but we cannot afford a mislynch today.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 00:02 GMT

#3245

On January 09 2013 08:59 thrawn2112 wrote:

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I don't really like the CC lynch. It seems like the lynch most likely to be a mislynch and if he actually is town then a cc lynch would be the worst way we could waste our time.

Why are you saying CC? Purely because of policy or what? I can completely see him beeing town based on how he played in witchcraft.

what are your prom/djo reads?

<supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069&currentpage=All
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive
[01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer
[01:56] <supersoft> i dont know
[01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 00:07 GMT

#3249

On January 09 2013 09:02 supersoft wrote:

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and yes. Palmar and Foolish both behind it is 0 since both know how to bus.
Sometimes, the easiest and most obvious targets are also good targets.

and i have no current read on prom/djo. I was ill and university started, thus my time was really limited.
I'll try to solve the game in the next few days (realtime-days).

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 08:22 GMT

#3443

lol... that was unexpected... ahm well MZ wanted to post the logs 6 hours ago...
should i post them now or do you want foolishness to post them...
they're not really spectacular... theyre talking about how low their motivation is :-(

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 08:29 GMT

#3449

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Im on my way to the dentist, I'll give you my logs (there aren't a lot). When I get back.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I'm Pacific time yeah. I can conceivably be on for the next 12 hours although I've been pretty sick the past couple days so I don't really want to stay up until 4am

. I should be free in the morning of my time tomorrow. Here are my logs with foolishness, I'd rather you not post them in the thread until after we've had a chance to talk on IRC or something.

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Original Message From Foolishness:
It's alright. Yeah I didn't realize you changed accounts on skype lol

I'm flying to Vegas today so I won't be around until nighttime unfortunately. I don't think you will get lynched anytime soon, and hopefully you won't get shot at night (there's a vigi already gone so I'm not too worried). Cheesecake is a much better case than you, and I even think there are a few others we can lynch over you (yamato, djo, Toad).

And if you're actually mafia fuck you lol

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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
For some reason I didn't have you added on my MZ skype account so I sent you a request, I stopped using the other one.

I'll be on for the rest of the night, I didn't realize you were in Chicago otherwise I would have tried to do this sooner.

Original Message From Foolishness:
I'm watching right now too lol I assume you mean 8pm pacific time? I'm in Chicago right now but yes that time works for me. I should be around most of the day today (I'm not anticipating going anywhere).

debears rubs me the wrong way cause he's causing more harm than good. Toad and Promethelax are good hits right now.

I posted my thoughts in the thread about Chezinu the other day. Some of his posts just feel so out of place. He wants to troll but he also wants to make everyone feel like he's doing something in between all of that, and that's where I have a problem. He's not consistent in his attitude.

I also may be thinking too much about it though lol

You are right in that Palmar has seemed to slipped off recently. I don't feel like he's as active as he was day one. He may be doing the annul mafia thing (spam the thread day 1 then lurk forever). I value my sanity so I don't want to read his filter.

I keep realizing that there's more people in this game than we think. Like UoN[sentinel]. Totally forgot he's in the game until I just looked at the player list. And there's Cheescake as well.

If only Toad and VE and Palmar would die along with marvellosity so it'd be possible to actually post.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I'm gonna watch the NFL wildcard games so would some time around 8 work for you?

I actually disagree about debears, I've had him as a slight town read for a while. I agree with djo. I haven't bothered to read Toad's filter in a while because I value my sanity but I suppose I should do that at some point. Promethelax is under my radar as well but it's probably because he's not tunkeg and that's points in his favor in my book lol.

Two more things. You really think Chez is scum? The last game I saw him roll scum was the one where incog picked america and nuked Ace or something. In that game He basically played as scummy as possible and people just wrote it off as Chez being Chez. This game though he's trolling but he actually seems to be helping a bit as well. Now I know it's hopeless to meta chez but I had him as a pretty comfortable town read.

Palmar. I'm waffling on him again. After his burst of activity he had gone back to town in my book but with his subsequent lack of attention to the game and very apologetic posts I'm not sure again. I can understand being discouraged, it's rough starting a lynch and then having it be wrong, but that's not something I'd ever see hurting Palmar too much. Furthermore town palmar would never apologize or offer excuses for his play, he'd just be like "fuck you guys I do it my own way."

Once again it's horrible to say but I'm really glad marv is dead, the game is so much more readable now.

Original Message From Foolishness:
Skype works better for me, but let me know. I'm still on winter vacation so my time is more limited than I want it to be x.x

I haven't read the recent 20 pages yet, but I'm still going with yamato as top suspect now that idiot tube is dead. As I said in the thread I still don't know whether hopeless is bored/stupid or mafia yet, but I definitely support pressuring him today and tomorrow.

For the remaining mafia, kush, debears, djo, chezinu, Lazer, seem like good candidates. Though I haven't looked recently I still would lynch Toad. He was my first mafia suspect and I've learned that my initial instinct in mafia games is always right (like chaoser in Liar Game Chair mafia). And anyways he's a spammer I don't think anyone will miss him =P

I don't know about Palmar. His posts are always so abrasive that reading his filter puts me in a bad mood, so I never do. I know he likes to play a more passive than active mafia game, but I don't think he's been mafia recently either so who knows.

And Promethelax! I keep forgetting about him since he replaced Tunkeg and has since done nothing and floated under the radar. I want to kill him lol

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Yeah I guess I should suck it up and find some time to be super active. I still can't really make heads or tails of a scum team here, none of my suspects really relate to each other the way I like to see when I'm scum hunting. One thing I've discovered is that I rely a lot on the interactions of different players with one another to form opinions and that's really nerfed in the spamosphere of a game.

We should set up and IRC time so at the very least I can bounce ideas off of you.

In the meantime what are your thoughts on Palmar? I was so very sure he was town at the start but then he just kept trolling. When he started his burst of contributing I was swayed because a lot of what he said made sense but I'm still queasy about him.

Also I'm pretty sure WBG is town atm but if he doesn't start really pushing reads hard I'll start to wonder.

I really need to reread marv and get a solid opinion of my own on him, right now I think tomorrow's lynch will probably be between marv and hopeless.

Original Message From Foolishness:
I don't know what's happening either. lol there were big chunks of the game I just skimmed through.

The jubjubs are being jubjubs for sure. It's typical to assume that mafia are probably lying low and just letting the town destroy themselves. I'm sure that at least one of the spammers is mafia (Palmar, marv, VE, Toad, etc) but finding the others will be easier first.

Since you brought him up, I'm not sure what to think about Tunkeg either. I did think he was mafia, but as I said in the thread all my suspects also think he's mafia. And I actually don't like how Promethelax is doing. He went, "it's k guys it was Tunkeg. What could I do? lol" and has since disappeared. He's not making an impact or doing anything.

yamato is one of my top suspects. Jackal is mia. Hopeless I'm still unsure about.

And yes, there are a lot of new names in this game. I'm just ignoring the spammer as best I can and focusing on the somewhat minor posters.

Though there's lots of talk about you, if you just start posting now and focus on your suspects I'm sure you won't die. I guess people still want to kill marvellosity (his filter is too long for me to read him) so I don't know what might happen to him.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
We can talk until night 2. Any ideas on what the hell is happening in this game?

I really have no idea what's going on. This game is incredibly spammy and its absolutely killed my desire to play. Its bad to say but I really wanted marv dead just so he would stop spamming the thread :/. I think supersoft is probably town and I'm pretty sure VE is as well. I wanted Tunkeg to be scum really bad so I could kill him but like I said, the case was too perfect. It reminded me of the time I killed VE d1 several months ago on a "perfect' case and he flipped town. Also tunkeg's replacement has done a bit better.

There are just a lot of names I don't recognize making very forgettable posts if I had to kill someone it would probably come from the pool of cheesecake, yamato, or hopeless because my only memories of them is that they only appear to defend themselves.

I masoned you because if you're town I figure talking with you will actually help me clarify some reads as opposed to watching people use their dicks for lightsabers in the thread. If you're scum masoning you isn't really going to hurt because no one will listen to me atm so it's not like you can use me to manipulate anyone. Also I'm not really gonna defend myself too hard if pushed so chances are I'll be dead tomorrow anyway.

Just a really depressing and demotivating game so far... I can't believe the jubjubs killed BC.

I'm pretty sure he's scum for a whole host of reasons.

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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
sure thing

how about: #againstallspam

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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
1) here is the log of the convo we had + Show Spoiler +

[01:30] <supersoft> yo
[01:30] <supersoft> ^_^
[01:30] <supersoft> woa
[01:30] <supersoft> i dont know why i am so tired
[01:31] <supersoft> this is the first day i slept past 6 am
[01:31] <supersoft> okay foolishness and palmar
[01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its cool
[01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> foolishness is scum
[01:31] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm like 99% sure
[01:32] <supersoft> mhm i havent read your convo yet
[01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well it's based off of several things
[01:32] <supersoft> palmar thinks foolish is town
[01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk about Palmar
[01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've been very lazy/haven't wanted to read the thread so I keep waffling about palmar
[01:32] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I'm very sure foolishness is scum
[01:32] <supersoft> okay at least thats honest :D
[01:32] <supersoft> okay why
[01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm fairly sure he is halfassing this game more than I am and foolishness doesn't half ass
[01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you read our convos
[01:33] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he has literally no reads
[01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I could understand this if he thought I was scum and was trying to keep things away from me
[01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but foolishness is way better than me and knows he
[01:34] <supersoft> yes, his Cheesycake-case is nothing
[01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if he was town and actually thought I was scum he'd have made damn sure he pumped me for as much information as possible
[01:34] <supersoft> everything he did was just half ass
[01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> second, if he was town and thought I was town he'd have had actual reads
[01:34] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and he dodged when I tried to get him on irc
[01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> now I know these are hard cold evidence
[01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I've played with him a fair bit
[01:35] <supersoft> mh
[01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I just know he's off
[01:35] <supersoft> and if he thinks youre scum
[01:35] <supersoft> and hes town
[01:35] <@Meapak_Ziphh> even if he thought I was scum he still would have talked to me as town
[01:35] <supersoft> he probably doesnt want to die
[01:36] <supersoft> might be a possibility
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like I said, he know's he's better than me, he would have pumped me for information and fed me shit reads
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I think he'd probably have fed me shit reads
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> of course that's speculation
[01:36] <supersoft> mhm
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> all of this is
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but he just felt soo evasive
[01:36] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and I've exchanged PMs with him before in game and it hasn't been like this'
[01:36] <supersoft> yes okay
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's all I got on him
[01:37] <supersoft> well we have his thread appearance
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah
[01:37] <supersoft> which is pretty bad, too
[01:37] <supersoft> ^_^
[01:37] <supersoft> ahm
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I masoned him figuring if he was town I
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> d
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> figure it out
[01:37] <supersoft> i dont think youre scum right now
[01:37] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and sheep his reads tbh
[01:37] <supersoft> tbh
[01:38] <supersoft> i dont think the scumteam has a mason
[01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> thanks haha
[01:38] <supersoft> lol
[01:38] <supersoft> after iamp claimed one-shot mason
[01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well the kp doesn't work out the way the jubjubs in the thread are speculating for me to be a scum mason which is why I just decided to out myself
[01:38] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'm a two shot btw so this is the last mason I have
[01:39] <supersoft> i don't think they would bring a permanent-mason into the game
[01:39] <supersoft> especially
[01:39] <supersoft> after loosing 0.5 KP
[01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah
[01:39] <supersoft> because a mason
[01:39] <supersoft> costs them a whole Kill then
[01:39] <supersoft> you know what i mean
[01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anything but kp roles seem pointless tbh
[01:39] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but that's setup speculation
[01:40] <supersoft> mh
[01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway if you wanna talk Palmar I'm down
[01:40] <supersoft> down?
[01:40] <supersoft> youre in or not? :D
[01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry it's colloquial
[01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> something like "ready" or "willing"
[01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lo
[01:40] <@Meapak_Ziphh> l
[01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway my primary concern is his burst of activity has not been followed up by anything at all
[01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also he apologized
[01:41] <supersoft> :D
[01:41] <supersoft> okay
[01:41] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I've never seen him apologize for a post before ever
[01:41] <supersoft> mhm yes yes
[01:42] <supersoft> pfff i mean i was wrong about marv, too
[01:42] <supersoft> but what the hell
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> marv just needed to die tbh
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the thread would have never done anything with him
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> day 1
[01:42] <supersoft> you need to lynch another townie from time to time if he plays like scum
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> shitstorm of the century
[01:42] <supersoft> of course
[01:42] <supersoft> that modkill was perfect
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah
[01:42] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it gave the town a glimmer of hope lol
[01:42] <supersoft> he would have cost us at lest a whole day
[01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> exactly
[01:43] <supersoft> yeah that was perfect
[01:43] <supersoft> :D
[01:43] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and then we got jackal which was awesome although I wish bugs hadn't outed himself
[01:43] <supersoft> lol wbg looked so scummy
[01:43] <supersoft> as scum, i would have been extremely suspicious of him
[01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> when he's not calling people bad something is up lol
[01:44] <supersoft> wbg was so strange
[01:44] <supersoft> :D
[01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what's the story with this CC lynch train?
[01:44] <supersoft> obviously blue if not scum
[01:44] <supersoft> well
[01:44] <supersoft> CC-lynchtrain
[01:44] <supersoft> Foolish and Palmar both are behind it
[01:44] <supersoft> ahm
[01:44] <supersoft> i am not sure
[01:44] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I can barely differentiate him from the rest of the newer players who don't post a lot
[01:45] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was trying to figure out what made him different
[01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh one last thing that made me suspect foolishness, his reads are really strange. I mean mine aren't always great (read rarely) but he's suspicious of chez
[01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chec is pretty clearly town in my mind
[01:46] <supersoft> chezinu?
[01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah
[01:46] <supersoft> or cheesecake
[01:46] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chezinu
[01:46] <supersoft> yeah i dont read his posts
[01:46] <supersoft> they dont give me anything
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> chez scum looks a little different than this
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and foolishness should know this
[01:47] <supersoft> i dont really understand what he's saying
[01:47] <supersoft> okay
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I don't either

[01:47] <supersoft> i played with chez 1 or 2 times
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but if you want a comparison read pyp interesting I think
[01:47] <supersoft> and i always completely ignored him and hoped he's town
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> or maybe it was another pyp game
[01:47] <@Meapak_Ziphh> good policy lol
[01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you leaning town or scum on debears?
[01:48] <supersoft> my english is not good enough to judge this player
[01:48] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol neither is mine and it's my native language
[01:48] <supersoft> okay
[01:48] <supersoft> you see
[01:48] <supersoft> :D
[01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> its more of a feel than anything else
[01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hard to describe
[01:49] <supersoft> reading chez doesnt make sense
[01:49] <supersoft> yes okay wait
[01:49] <supersoft> back to cheesecake
[01:49] <supersoft> and the new players
[01:49] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah sorry
[01:50] <supersoft> i layed my focus on the players i know so far
[01:50] <supersoft> =
[01:50] <supersoft> 5. Meapak_Ziphh 14. VisceraEyes 16. wherebugsgo 17. Palmar 19. Foolishness 23. Jackal58 27. BloodyC0bbler 21. supersoft 6. marvellosity 7. Toadesstern
[01:50] <supersoft> but since there are so many of the dead
[01:50] <supersoft> :D
[01:50] <supersoft> i looked into some of the newer players,
[01:51] <supersoft> but i am not finished yet
[01:51] <supersoft> they look so similar
[01:51] <supersoft> all of them
[01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's been the hard part of this game for me
[01:51] <supersoft> they're agressive and post huge cases
[01:51] <supersoft> at points of the game
[01:51] <@Meapak_Ziphh> first the spam of d1, then the similarities
[01:51] <supersoft> where they're actually meaningless
[01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I mean look, I don't pretend to be fantastic at this game at all but it really irks me that a lot of these people actually have no idea how to play
[01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like it makes this game so frustrating
[01:52] <supersoft> yeah
[01:52] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I partially blame the newbie games since newer players never get a chance to see how it should actually work
[01:53] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway I'm ranting, I'm just unhappy because this game has made me realize I won't be playing mafia again or at least until the meta changes
[01:53] <supersoft> if i remember back to bureaucracy mafia, where marv or risk.nuke were like the worst players in the game
[01:53] <supersoft> that was easy to read
[01:53] <supersoft> this is just painful :D
[01:53] <supersoft> but we'll get it
[01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hopefully
[01:54] <supersoft> yeah sure
[01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> anyway let's play the "kill one player" game
[01:54] <supersoft> uh
[01:54] <supersoft> how does that work
[01:54] <supersoft> :-o
[01:54] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just pick 1 person you'd kill if you could
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I'd personally kill hopeless
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he only ever shows up when he gets attacked
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and his cases have been really bad
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's probably my n1 scum read atm
[01:55] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=286069&currentpage=All
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> 1 page filter
[01:55] <@Meapak_Ziphh> impressive
[01:55] <supersoft> easiest target in game
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> that's actually a little pathetic lol
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> like
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> how can you be that bad
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I shouldn't be harsh, my filter probably isn't much longer
[01:56] <supersoft> i dont know
[01:56] <supersoft> it's like sinani
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but with a filter like that I understand where the wagon comes from
[01:56] <@Meapak_Ziphh> rofl sinani
[01:57] <supersoft> #2 VE
[01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you sure?
[01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I could link you a game where I tunneled VE d1 for very similar play
[01:57] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one sec
[01:58] <supersoft> mh
[01:58] <supersoft> you realize that he stoped playing that game at all and keepy whining
[01:58] <supersoft> it's embarassing
[01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250&currentpage=72#1426
[01:59] <@Meapak_Ziphh> here's what I was thinking of
[01:59] <supersoft> Because I'm bad at the game. *shrug*
[02:00] <@Meapak_Ziphh> you could be right about him, its just ever since that game I've been vary wary of going after him for being dumb
[02:00] <supersoft> okay he was vig back then
[02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh just remembered bang bang 2
[02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if you want proof I'm not scum this game
[02:01] <supersoft> :D
[02:01] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just go back and read that game haha
[02:02] <supersoft> i have my mason proof that should be enough :D
[02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> idk if I can find any other examples of me killing VE
[02:02] <supersoft> but yeah
[02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I just went through kita's thread
[02:02] <@Meapak_Ziphh> damn that thing is useful
[02:02] <supersoft> yes indeed
[02:04] <supersoft> mhh
[02:04] <supersoft> hopelessder
[02:05] <supersoft> what do you find scummy about him
[02:05] <supersoft> especially
[02:05] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if my memory serves he really only comes into the thread to defend himself
[02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> at least people like lazormonkey and iamperfection post regularly
[02:06] <@Meapak_Ziphh> kushmasta or w/e could also die for the same reason
[02:07] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725&currentpage=All
[02:07] <supersoft> thats hopeless
[02:07] <supersoft> he says some reasonable things
[02:07] <supersoft> i dont know
[02:08] <supersoft> he thinks wbg is scummy
[02:08] <supersoft> after wbg attacked him
[02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I was literally just going to point that out
[02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> but I mean
[02:08] <supersoft> this omgus is more a towntell than a scumtell
[02:08] <@Meapak_Ziphh> the second half of his filter is all defending himself
[02:08] <supersoft> my opinion
[02:08] <supersoft> yes and he stoped playing d2
[02:09] <supersoft> slightly scummy
[02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> just realized that
[02:09] <supersoft> he posts that he doesnt think that BC and or marv are good lynches d1
[02:09] <supersoft> however he votes BC
[02:09] <supersoft> ir did he
[02:09] <supersoft> w8 a sec
[02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> also this is an easy position if you're scu
[02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> m
[02:09] <@Meapak_Ziphh> since they were both town
[02:09] <supersoft> yes yes
[02:10] <supersoft> thats really scummy
[02:10] <supersoft> looks like he knows they're town
[02:10] <supersoft> and his scumteam is superhappy
[02:10] <supersoft> -> he knows that these lynches suck
[02:10] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hardest part of being scum is accusing people you know are town haha
[02:11] <supersoft> ^_^
[02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> balance wise I'd figure one of foolishness/palmar/toad has to be scum
[02:11] <supersoft> you know i was scum only one time
[02:11] <supersoft> :D
[02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> they already had one vet in jackal
[02:11] <supersoft> ,y second game or so
[02:11] <@Meapak_Ziphh> Ive been scum like three times and hated it
[02:11] <supersoft> i have no idea
[02:12] <supersoft> i think it would be funny to play as scum
[02:12] <supersoft> but i don't know how it turns out to be
[02:12] <@Meapak_Ziphh> eh I just dislike it, I don't like having to make up a story and keep it straight
[02:13] <supersoft> mh i don't know
[02:13] <supersoft> i change my position really really often as town
[02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I think it's fine to change position, it's just much easier as town because it's like "yo I was shown new information, of course I changed"
[02:14] <supersoft> d4++ i have my lists
[02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> whereas scum have to justify it
[02:14] <supersoft> but until then
[02:14] <supersoft> ^_^
[02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> froggnoddy, vivax, clarity, sentinal
[02:14] <@Meapak_Ziphh> one or more of them could be scum
[02:14] <supersoft> not clarity
[02:14] <supersoft> vivax is boldgreen on palmars list
[02:14] <supersoft> i am suspicious of him
[02:15] <supersoft> because of d1 things
[02:15] <supersoft> i didn't check him yet again
[02:15] <@Meapak_Ziphh> if palmar was scum it'd sure be like him just to balls out put a teammate in green on a spreadsheet
[02:15] <supersoft> mhm i am starting to change my position on palmar :-/
[02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> maybe I missed it but imperfection is a one shot mason right>
[02:16] <supersoft> however i had a really strong townread on him
[02:16] <supersoft> really
[02:16] <supersoft> yes
[02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> ok
[02:16] <supersoft> iamp is one-shot mason
[02:16] <supersoft> and took a hit
[02:16] <supersoft> n1
[02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> he's town I guess, his role is close enough to mine
[02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> yeah
[02:16] <@Meapak_Ziphh> I guess I'll buy that
[02:16] <supersoft> wait
[02:16] <supersoft> close enough?
[02:16] <supersoft> how is that a reason ^_^
[02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> it says in the OP that roles can have varying number of uses
[02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> only reason I think that's there is because some roles vary in the number of uses it can have
[02:17] <@Meapak_Ziphh> what I'm saying is I believe him despite his role not being identical to mine
[02:18] <supersoft> aha okay
[02:18] <supersoft> ^_^
[02:18] <supersoft> oh shit
[02:18] <@Meapak_Ziphh> hmm?
[02:18] <supersoft> i got to go to university
[02:19] <supersoft> ahm
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> oh alright
[02:19] <supersoft> are you around
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well its 2am for me and I'm still sick haha
[02:19] <supersoft> shortly before deadline?
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> should be
[02:19] <supersoft> perfect
[02:19] <supersoft> okay
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> wait
[02:19] <supersoft> mh?
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> no
[02:19] <supersoft> :-o
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> fuck I need to find out what time it is
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sex
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sec
[02:19] <@Meapak_Ziphh> lol
[02:21] <@Meapak_Ziphh> sorry i trying to figure out the time
[02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> well I really doubt you're gonna die tonight
[02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> and there's no way I'll die
[02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we're masoned for the day cycle as well
[02:22] <@Meapak_Ziphh> we should still be able to talk
[02:23] <supersoft> yes i hope so
[02:23] <supersoft> you never know
[02:23] <supersoft> but yeah, i am not very concerned, too
[02:23] <supersoft> cu^_^
[02:23] <@Meapak_Ziphh> alright have a nice day
[02:24] <supersoft> u2

Second, I won't be around for the day post, that'll be around 2pm for me and I'll be out (I'm on pacific time) and the earliest I'll be back will be 3 hours later (so somewhere around 10 KST, idk what time that is for you).

Last message i receaved a couple of ours ago while I was asleep:

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
RebirthofLegend just messaged me on skype because he thought foolishness and I were still masoned, apparently he's replacing foolishness because foolish doesn't have enough time. This makes me think that foolishness might actually not have enough time to play and isn't just trying to fake it as scum (I'm sorta friends outside of mafia with them so I just gut believe this, maybe I'm wrong). In that case, I think you and I should try and kill Palmar today, I'm getting more and more certain the less active he is.

Also if we assume that foolishness is actually town it means his read on Toad could be real, since Toad has been afk along with Palmar this is actually a plausible setup.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 08:37 GMT

#3453

oh lol just reread my stuff - probably shouldnt have posted my MZ conversation yet. ^_^
nvm

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 08:43 GMT

#3456

On January 08 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote:
impression so far: he'll have a bad time if he hasn't brushed his teeths...

i am sad noone is getting my dentist-joke... :-(

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 08:49 GMT

#3457

Toadesstern and Palmar are posting in other threads... i wonder why they don't comment on the foolishness/cheesecake/debears discussion

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:06 GMT

#3507

okay what you do is stupidity at its finest. toad didnt wven read the game and he wants to lynch palmar,
VE is completely on speed since he got confirmed and votes all over the place.
when i get home i'll decide whether we lynch Palmar or not.

Today we lynch scum and not idiots.

facts will decide. This is no witch-hunt.

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:14 GMT

#3512

On January 10 2013 03:06 Palmar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Hello VisceraEyes.

Go back and read the logs with iamperfection, and look at my spreadsheet from day 1.

Then come back and explain to me why I am scum. Yes I'm not doing anything, you know how much I hate having one of those dumb off games.

I do care about finding scum, which is why I'm holding off my vote until I can make a decision (we still have like 30 hours right?). You need to explain why you think I'm scum so I can analyse your thought process.

your patience scares me, Palmar.
you know there is no thought process besides: "Oh look at the last 3 posts! he looks like he refuses to scumhunt."

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:16 GMT

#3513

woa kurumi can you please ask syllo to replace foolish? :D
i could really use some help here...

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:22 GMT

#3515

really what?
there is no case - is there?

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:32 GMT

#3520

On January 10 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not taking anything regarding what people say are the rules as tells - the rules were unclear in the OP and so that's a null point.

thats true, you never know how much intel the scumteam had at day1.
it's highly likely that they havn't thought about masons until i started the mason discussion.
i am like 90% sure that they have no mason.

consequently debears statement doesnt confirm him like your rage did to you.
obviously you would know how the kp work, a player like debears at day1 i am not sure...

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:37 GMT

#3523

On January 10 2013 03:29 Palmar wrote:

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But the intention behind the post is to help confirm townies. Why even mention it if he's scum.

you assumption is false that scumplayers dont make mistakes like that... ah i don't know... got to read his whole filter...
probably not a solid lynch for today
i kind of agree, it's unlikely that he knew better and faked it (still possible though),

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

January 09 2013 18:39 GMT

#3526

On January 10 2013 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
What's funny about your statement super is that NONE of us knew how the KP worked on D1 because it was misrepresented in the OP.

But whatever, it is what it is.

i am talking about you n2 compared to debears d1

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