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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 05 2013 22:17 GMT
#2498
I still haven't given this the read through it deserves. I'll read it when I get home from work in 12 hours and give my thoughts. Sorry this is taking me so long to get to, I joined up at the worst possible part of the week for me. 12 to 13 hours I'll be back. Hold me to it.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 11:47 GMT
#2657
okay, I'm here and finally getting a chance to read this game I'm in. Anyone have anything I should look at in particular?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 12:31 GMT
#2661
On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )


the fuck is this bull shit? Do you think you are contributing anything here?

Okay Viv, will do. I'll try not to hate you for winning YAN too much and actually deal with you as if you were a human being. Happy belated birthday (I would have aid it yesterday but I was too mad). You had such a nice little birthday hat though, I liked it.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#2663
No idea yet. I'm on page 29 and I don't like him much but literally nothing has happened at that point in the game/
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Promethelax
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Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:13 GMT
#2673
Started reading filters instead of the game and came across this gem.

On January 05 2013 02:11 Palmar wrote:
don't worry marv, if you flip town I'll lynch BC next.

That's when the fun starts.


Clarity: Palmar, by his own admission, is scum.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:15 GMT
#2675
aw dammit. My crazy theory was wrong too. Bye Keir <333.

Vivax, quick summery. Why is Sent scum?
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Promethelax
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Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:29 GMT
#2680
Seriously, Clarity, take you big post hat off. You don't need a big ccase to see that Palmar is scum.

Palmar pushed three townies for lynch d1. Palmar is scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:31 GMT
#2682
On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.


See Risen.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
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Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:38 GMT
#2685
Right. Did you read YAN? Stutters had baggage too.

Seriously though, you just came out of Hero where Palmar explained how to find scum Palmar. It is very simple: when Palmar hits green instead of red Palmar is scum.

Who got the check on Jackal that makes him confirmed scum? I assume WBG from the flips but some confirmation would be cool.

Can you give me a two second claim run down? I know Keir said he shot tube and Imp mason'd Palmar. Besides that I am in the dark.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:47 GMT
#2689
dude, it is 10 am. I've been awake all night at work. I'm doing what I can.

Interestingly Chez thinks Palmar is 3p and not scum. I hadn't thought about it that much but I could see that being the case too. He says so in this popst. Either way Palmar is anti town.

Did someone say Imp was saved from a shot today? Can you explain what that means?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:56 GMT
#2694
Lithium Carbonate is used to treat bi-polar disorder.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:15 GMT
#2703
Oh man, there are some hilarious bread crumb posts day one. Shout outs to you guys who bc'd those things. Making this read through super entertaining. I vote we keep these super duper town guys around, blues are cool.

I'd put CC on the scum list as well.
On January 03 2013 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 09:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
Owell, I will go to bed now. Will vote Tunkeg for the time being tho it is subject to change.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tunkeg


Waddaya guys think about this vote? Scummiest in thread so far imo.

"So yeah I'm just going to park my vote riiiiiight here. But I'll totes change it guys don't worry"


Assuming Palmar flips scum and not 3p Hopeless looks bad too.
On January 03 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:
On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote:
do a video palmar!


Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera.


How did no one jump on this btw? I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book.

This was intentional to me. Palmar doesn't seem like the kind of player who would slip like that, so I read that post in a joking tone. That said, I certainly don't have a townread on Palmar. Then again, I wouldn't lynch him either, but only because I've fucked that up once in the past and he's almost always a prime target for mafia KP, so I'm much more comfortable leaving him alive. Despite his shitty reasons for voting bugs and being generally trolly for the time being, I don't think it is ever worth lynching him Day 1 because he's so likely to get shot all the time. Same goes for marv on the "do not lynch Day 1 list"


yeah Clarity, Sent said something wrong. That just means it is wrong. Not townie or scummy. Sent is a decent enough player he should know better, since he said a stupid he didn't know better. Null.
I'd suggest you look elsewhere for scum though.

TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:15 GMT
#2704
On January 06 2013 23:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote:
That's terrible logic. You're assuming scum wouldn't do mistakes. That is pure WIFOM.



I'm saying that scum talk about their night actions, they do it together, they don't fucking forget how many shots they have.
You calling it wifom because there is a super small chance it really was scum making a mistake is dumb.


Good enough scum players intentionally put mistakes into their play to appear townie. Don't be fooled by fools.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:19 GMT
#2707
Chezinu, are you scum?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:27 GMT
#2709
On January 06 2013 23:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 23:15 Promethelax wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote:
That's terrible logic. You're assuming scum wouldn't do mistakes. That is pure WIFOM.



I'm saying that scum talk about their night actions, they do it together, they don't fucking forget how many shots they have.
You calling it wifom because there is a super small chance it really was scum making a mistake is dumb.


Good enough scum players intentionally put mistakes into their play to appear townie. Don't be fooled by fools.


I don't know Sentinel other than from this game and if he is scum he is not playing a strong scum game, therefore he would not make a play like this. The fact that you say he's a strong player makes it more likely he's town.


I've never played with him before but I have read AoE and pyp:r. He seemed like a good but not incredible player. I have him in my mental list of mafia players on tl as 'above average'
Someone who knows him better than I do (read at all) could tell you more.
I agree with your read and disagree with your reasons. Don't get caught up in shitty heuristics.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:28 GMT
#2710
oh fuck, every time.
pyp : r
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:31 GMT
#2712
Hey brown'nu, what do you think about our bearded Icelandic friend?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:50 GMT
#2718
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

wat? No.

Chezinu, I chose you! We can be the very best that no one ever was.


Okay, I'm going to bed. I've not finished reading the thread but I've made a decent dent. I'll talk to you all tomorrow. Good luck town!
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 14:51 GMT
#2719
On January 06 2013 23:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 23:27 Promethelax wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:15 Promethelax wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote:
That's terrible logic. You're assuming scum wouldn't do mistakes. That is pure WIFOM.



I'm saying that scum talk about their night actions, they do it together, they don't fucking forget how many shots they have.
You calling it wifom because there is a super small chance it really was scum making a mistake is dumb.


Good enough scum players intentionally put mistakes into their play to appear townie. Don't be fooled by fools.


I don't know Sentinel other than from this game and if he is scum he is not playing a strong scum game, therefore he would not make a play like this. The fact that you say he's a strong player makes it more likely he's town.


I've never played with him before but I have read AoE and pyp:r. He seemed like a good but not incredible player. I have him in my mental list of mafia players on tl as 'above average'
Someone who knows him better than I do (read at all) could tell you more.
I agree with your read and disagree with your reasons. Don't get caught up in shitty heuristics.


So why do you think he's town?


It doesn't matter right now and I won't share. Hate sharing town reads until after they are dead.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 07 2013 15:58 GMT
#2899
I'd like to get palmar up for lynch tomorrow. If he is town he is right, we'll have one hell of an interesting day that we'll gain a ton from and, once again if he is town, I wouldn't be that surprised if he managed to evade the lynch.

The other people I would be interested in lynching are:
Hiro (reading the game he has given me weird vibes the whole time, this is totally a gut thing).
Mr. CC (the meta case presented has felt pretty right to me)
Dibbers (the dude is trolling. After YAN I don't think his ego could stand that. He needs to prove he is not as terrible a player as he was there. So the trolling has to be false)

More discussion about MZ
This is the situation that most interests me, his claim felt off (as has already been pointed out) and it seems clear that scum traded .5 kp for a role (which is broken as fuck if their kp gets rounded up twice. Seriously, are they Zerg or something). I thought at first that they were going to kill a townie lynch bait a la tube and claim Viv but kier, obviously, was town. I was all set to come out after today, guns blazing, to take on Keir.
So, if scum did choose one role why would it be mason? They could get role cops, double voters or medics. I'd say if they did choose mason>medic we should look back at day one and see who was under suspicion. Those guys are probably all town since mad hatter or medic would be better choices if they feared viggis.
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