What is even there to talk about? Over the time I've been playing mafia I grew more and more away from hard analysis and began to use apparent integrity and sincerity of people's post as a way to tell scum and town appart. That means that the way I do it is completely subjective to what I consider to be a post (from the particular person I'm looking at) to be honest. Of course the method is not flawless and is completely dependant on my ability to make that judgement, but it served me right in the past and I see no reason to change it. From that place you can see clearly that any explanation I provide you with for my reasoning wouldn't apply to everyone and is not verifyable. What you can do is check for the same things I do. The motives and truthfulness behind my posts and see if you think I'm trying to put on a show or I'm speaking my mind without the fear of consequence. If you can make that distinction then you will have a good idea of my alignment.
The stupid exercise of breaking posts apart and endelessly saying things are "scummy" without even defining and not even knowing what scummy means is what brings this tiresome conversation that I refuse to take part of where everyone indulges each other and strikes each other's dicks.

sandroba

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October 13 2012 14:09 GMT

#575

On October 13 2012 05:30 HiroPro wrote:
you know what's hilarious about this?

prplhz is a guy who follows vets around whenever he play and never tries to lynch them. And I'm a person who normally doesn't really care. When prplhz is acting like this, something is up. Especially when has that pissed "i'm mad and i want you to know it" tone going on.

This is something hiropro noticed and something scum wouldn't likely point out while trying to get me lynched. Since I know I'm town it makes no sense for hiro as scum to make this statement at this point, without the outcome of me getting lynched still being up in the air and not decided. Also the comment on the tone is something that townies that are concerned with scumhunting normally look for in a post and not something scum normally tries to fake.

On October 13 2012 11:44 austinmcc wrote:
ET. Pretend for a moment that you're ET this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know).

You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond?

Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1?

Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you?

Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who?

This posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, because it's not effective, specially in this town where people can only see what is right in front of their nose.

sandroba

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October 13 2012 14:31 GMT

#578

@austinmcc certainly I don't need to explain reads for you to make judgement on intent of the posts I made. And the read I deemed important aka the person I did want to lynch today at the time, I did explain my read. I don't like to make more than one case day 1 normally unless I'm extremelly confident, because scum will just jump aboard and support the one I'm wrong about. I sure wanted da0ud and prplhz to advance, but they were not my top choices for lynch at the time, so I kept my thoughts to myself as not to put up too many candidates. ON's play was the primary concern of any town day 1 and something that is better dealt with early so my focus went on him. There is not much to be said about him because he hasn't said much, but I still would lynch him over any person today.

sandroba

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October 13 2012 15:10 GMT

#582

Giving your votes to other people is horrible. You either don't trust your judgement, in which case you have no business giving your votes away cuz you might be giving them up to mafia, or you do trust your judgement in which case you better use your votes yourself. Please stop with the nonsense.

sandroba

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October 13 2012 15:11 GMT

#583

Also you should definitely use all the votes available to you in this last round if you care about town at all.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:34 GMT

#652

On October 14 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are no scum stepping up for sandroba?
Sandroba is notoriously bad as scum. If he is scum, the longer the game goes, the clearer that will become. I don't think scum would risk trying to defend him. They would see him as a lost cause.

But that brings up a separate point. If he is scum, according to his meta, the scumminess will just become more obvious as the game progresses, as he will continue to mostly afk.

Really want to hear from ET since he is seems confident in being to read sands meta.

If I were scum I would never even reach this round. It's quite easy to justify not wanting to lynch me day 1. Also I was up against you in earlier rounds and it would be easy to push you a bit and have you move on.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:36 GMT

#655

How confident are you that I'll flip scum prplhz?

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:39 GMT

#658

I wasn't home. What difference does it make? Does it make it less true?
How can you opt to lynch me over someone that has done nothing? The fact this lynch is even a race should tell you a lot.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:43 GMT

#666

You are suffering from confirmation bias. You only see the facts that you want to see.
The thought that a bunch of players of questionable skill got together and thought it was a good idea to lynch me day 1 for no reason makes me sick.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:45 GMT

#669

^ confirmation bias again. This is simply so stupid. Would I as town just let this stupid lynch happen then and not fight over it?

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:46 GMT

#672

On October 14 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote:

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lol fuck off

how about you drop your stupid pride then and do the right thing.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:46 GMT

#676

On October 14 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote:
questionable skill is doing nothing for an entire day and then coming back and acting all indignant about it.

I did and said enough. Take a look at your own filter and then mine.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:47 GMT

#679

On October 14 2012 10:46 prplhz wrote:

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dude, if you were town you wouldn't be in this situation. do you ever get votes as town?

Yes, last pyp mini I was extremely inactive and got lynched as town.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:49 GMT

#683

On October 14 2012 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:

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But that is basically what has happened up until the last 30 min or so

I wasn't around. And I did put up a fight earlier. What does that tell you either way? Am I scum for the time pattern in which I fight my own lynch? How does that point to one way or the other?

sandroba

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October 14 2012 01:51 GMT

#685

On October 14 2012 10:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
sand would you mind dropping off a final town/scum read(s)?

My early post still stands. Since then I've taken a look at hopeless too and I believe he is town too.

sandroba

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October 14 2012 02:03 GMT

#701

SUP MOTHERFUCKERS. SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO YOUR MASTER NOW.

sandroba