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On September 30 2012 10:37 austinmcc wrote: Actually, this seems to rule out a two-man mafia team. So 3, 3/1, or 4? mafia usually doesn't lose kp with only 1 death. | ||
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On September 30 2012 10:46 Keirathi wrote: Having to kill 2 scum in a Mini before there are less than 2 KP is rough. If its 9/4 split, then day2 is MYLO. It's not unlikely for a themed setup, considering roles. DBZ was over after mafia made a day vig shot on day 2. | ||
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On October 01 2012 04:26 ghost_403 wrote: So, hiro, whatchoo think's going on in this here thread? people who are either dumb or pretending to be dumb talking  You're included. | ||
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On October 01 2012 04:40 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, Hiro, so who do you think we should be lynching today? So far, all you've done in this game is setup speculation (a big no-no), and what else? no one in particular right now. | ||
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However, I could let Nisani pass, since he did minimally discuss his read of Drazerk later (it was 1 post, but at least it was something). Plus it's Nisani and I can see him acting like that as town. Can you explain this a little more? And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that. | ||
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On October 01 2012 06:30 Mementoss wrote: I wasn't I was just saying that HiroPros point on JingleHell was invalid. No, it's not. I don't think that JingleHell has played with town Drazerk before. I have and I know that Drazerk is obsessed with third parties regardless of his own alignment. | ||
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On October 01 2012 06:45 gonzaw wrote: What about my other points? That Jingle comes out to post just to "appear he's contributing" and "justify himself" and seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it? I find this a bit weird, "seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it", but he could just be busy. Frankly, I'm more interested to hear what he has to say about other people. | ||
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On October 01 2012 07:03 Crossfire99 wrote: So, I think Keirathi's conflicting reasons for his earlier behavior that austin already pointed out are weird, but it isn't enough for me to vote for him right now. I'll need some more evidence. I'm confused about Drazerk. I guess I haven't played with him before and some people seem to have used this to inform their decision. As for Jingle, I don't think that we can use the fact that he posted a defense when he did as justification for voting for him. If he continually has that timing, then I'll use that as evidence. Also, I think people are reading too much into Jingle's early vote on Drazerk because I'm confused by Drazerk, and can understand Jingle's reasoning for voting him. But some of you are saying that Drazerk is just acting like his normal self...so I guess I'm still just confused by Drazerk... I don't understand this post of yours, Drazerk. Don't scum make mistakes, too? And isn't that how we catch them? So what are you sure of? What did you think about ghost's vote on Keirathi? On October 01 2012 12:03 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys So I'm just checking in I call Drazerk out for scummy play He says "I play like this always so you can't call me out for it" My response: okay so we lynch you for it, you know it's scummy play but you do it anyway. When is the deadline? You mind actually responding to anything that's going on in the thread? You and I both know that Drazerk is not going to change the way he plays. You can start by responding to my question here: On October 01 2012 04:02 HiroPro wrote: hey s&b you think keirathi is telling the truth with his plan or do you think he came up with reasons for it afterwards? | ||
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On October 01 2012 14:20 Keirathi wrote: Actually, I guess you wouldn't want to answer those questions yourself before Crossfire and S&B answer them. So how about an opinion on austin changing his conclusion towards my case super easily? And maybe a quick read of Mementoss while you're at it? I found it a little strange to be honest. But the the thing it didn't seem to be a response to anything that someone else posted. It was him making the post on his own initiative (not an opinion that he felt forced to give or change). So I'm more inclined to think that he was actually just rereading and found something that he missed before. And I found his first point to be good. So kinda leaning town on him for that. On October 01 2012 03:18 austinmcc wrote: Keirathi, I'm a little troubled by this when I look back through your explanation: When you unvote, you specifically note that you want real, meaningful opinions that people can be held accountable for. So you're interested in getting discussion going in general. This seems to not match up. If you wanted people to give opinions, how was your goal accomplished when only Mattchew responded? Null on mementoss. He hasn't done anything that's caught my eye. | ||
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On October 01 2012 14:30 strongandbig wrote: @hiro's question about keirathi's plan so i assume the plan you're talking about is "make a shitty case on purpose to start discussion" ? it's a god-awful plan, the only discussion you'll start is people saying "what a shitty case, you sure you give a fuck this game?" also kenpachi rule lol also keirathi says - first drazerk "legitimately trying" as town? you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. second this reads pretty sketchy to me, scum like to ingratiate themselves with townies who are suspicious of them as long as their lynch appears remote. so yeah, keirathi not looking too great to me right now. but i'm not sure about it - i'm actually not sure if you're right to call it a "plan" - sometimes townies do make weak cases right at the start of a day to get the ball rolling. it's just a thing, not a plan or a gambit or whatever. So I think he may not have been thinking to himself, 'i'll make this case as shitty as possible to bait out responses', but he could have been thinking 'this is dead so even though there's nothing to work with i'll do what i can." Do you think that keirathi would make points like this as scum? They read pretty townie to me. On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post  On October 01 2012 05:55 Keirathi wrote: Here's how I see it: I could have just said "Hey guys lets stop speculating about the setup and someone do some scumhunting!", or I could have pointed out what I found mildly scummy and accomplished the same goal in a better way because now people actually have something to actually talk about. | ||
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On October 01 2012 15:12 gonzaw wrote: About Drazerk: Can someone tell me why Drazerk might be scum? I'm genuinely interested, because I can't seem to read him right. I get the feeling he's one of those kind of players you just have to keep alive throughout the whole game to analyse their play. As in, you need a large time span to gauge his contributions and actions and see if they are anti-town or not because they rarely contribute at any specific time and just troll or post irrelevant stuff and just kind of hang around. Saying "because he switched his vote with little reason" is not enough since that's one of those things I kind of assume his kind of player does most of the time (vote and unvote randomly, or just sheep, talk about irrelevant stuff and never giving enough good reasoning behind their actions, etc). The way I think of it, Drazerk had the chance to shit up the thread a lot but didn't take it, instead just "discussed" his read on Keirathi (somehow, I don't really understood what he did there) and then backed off, which doesn't seem something his type of player would do as scum IMO, specially early on D1. What did you think of this part of s&b's post, gonzaw: On October 01 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote: he knows that he and i often get into shitfights and it's advantageous for him as scum to try and start one, as long as he thinks i won't be able to push a scum read on him through, which he probably does because he's arrogant. the thing is - his argument works both ways around - he says that I should know he doesn't actually try to win as town, but he focuses on third party, so my calling him out for that makes me scum. The thing is, I call him out for that every game - his attempting to call me out on it this game for being scum makes no sense. he's trying to use circular logic but it backfired. | ||
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On October 01 2012 15:22 Keirathi wrote: While I appreciate the read, this in particular shouldn't give you a townie read on me. Go read the post game comments from GSL Open Mini Mafia. I specifically mentioned that I spent a lot of time in filters and digging through meta to strengthen (or crush) cases that I was planning to make, even though I was scum. That's not exactly it. I vaguely observed GSL Open and remembered you looked town in that game. It's that you did the meta before you made the case which suggests that you were actually having a plan and not throwing something out and then trying to justify it afterwards. And that you were aware of what the correct play was as scum (saying "stop talking about setup", which doesn't actually help in any way) but chose not to do it. | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:39 Mattchew wrote: gonna hop right back into the thread with some analysis I believe iamperfection is scum and I would like everyone to click on his filter This post clearly mis-reads what ghost is trying to say and jumps on him with a hyperbole and what feels like a very fake sense of confidence. The way this post is worded is not as much anger as much as it reads "grab your pitchforks and bandwagon with me" After this, his teeth are sunk into ghost, and he is afraid to move. He also has failed to comment on literally anyone else in the thread. His reasoning is bad, his contributions are next to nothing. Honestly I don't think anything more needs to be written. Enough time has past for iamperfection to comment on other players, or contribute to actual discussion. His reasoning for pushing a ghost lynch is bad and grasping at straws. ##unvote ##vote Iamperfection I think Mattchew is correct here in that perfection is using his read on ghost to not really talk or comment about anything else. I also find it really odd that perfection would say this "His think about hiro reminds me of palmar from rockband just saying someone is town without giving a reason." Because ghost did give a reason. It wasn't a great reason but it was there and the fact that perfection tries to spin it as ghost saying reasonless things and being similar to Palmar (which really doesn't make any sense at all) makes me think he's scum. I don't think Keirathi's meta point is valid. It's very easy as scum to look cocky when you're really only talking about one player (the stuff he's said on Jingle is just rehashing what other people have said). And perfection is a very new player. It's not at all inconceivable that he would change his style. ##Vote iamperfection | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote: IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment. Do you think that he would misrepresent you the way that he did as town? | ||
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@Crossfire: You know, the fact that you forgot it's plurality lynch and not majority lynch actually makes you look worse, since you parked your vote on iamperfection and left. If you were scum maybe you thought there would be a NL so you thought iamperfection was safe before disappearing. If anything that makes him more likely to be town, gonzaw. Scum would probably know the voting rules considering they have teammates... | ||
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On October 03 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: HiroPro, how about you, any update on this? You're kind of giving me the same vibe mementoss is, although to a much lesser extent. You were around, it feels like you commented on more things than he did, and you voted iamperfection. Yet I didn't get a strong presence off of you, and there are some people you never really interact with. Like...what's your read on Gonzaw? I see these: but you never actually engage gonzaw in discussion. You just throw a question his way and reference a post of his. You'll have to wait till the deadline. | ||
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On October 03 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: HiroPro, how about you, any update on this? You're kind of giving me the same vibe mementoss is, although to a much lesser extent. You were around, it feels like you commented on more things than he did, and you voted iamperfection. Yet I didn't get a strong presence off of you, and there are some people you never really interact with. Like...what's your read on Gonzaw? I see these: but you never actually engage gonzaw in discussion. You just throw a question his way and reference a post of his. I think Mementoss is town. He was the first person to vote for perfection. I really don't see the scum motivation behind bussing such a powerful role on day 1, especially with the way the votes were, it just doesn't make sense. Your point about it being hard to switch off at the end isn't good, he could have easily switched off earlier. And I liked his point on you about how you had suspicions on keirathi but then didn't vote for him when you were talking about how it was important to consolidate. Your case on him reads to me like it's a little too "what is possible" and too focused on what he said about you. I don't really see how that stuff makes him suspicious. Mixed feelings on gonzaw, I need to see more from him. His thoughts and stuff seem mostly genuine to me. But he hasn't really sunk his teeth into a candidate the way that I would expect from town gonzaw, he's kind of wavered a lot more and been not in control as much as I expect from him. | ||
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austin, I'd like to see a response to Mementoss's post on you. | ||
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Nisani, what exactly do you like about the case on s&b? also, I'm going to be kind of inactive until friday. i'll still be posting but just busy with work and hosting liquid city. | ||
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I want to lynch nisani. This was nisani's reason for thinking gonzaw's case on s&b (referring to that part of gonzaw's post on s&b's big day 1 reads post) is good: His case on snb is good because he actually pointed out what he did that was scummy: snb's lack of commitment in any of his posts. Even in his recent post he has a bunch of "maybe" reads. Scum don't like to commit. The thing is if you look at Nisani's other scum reads though, when you leave aside Drazerk who he's basically called scum the entire game on barely anything; all of his scummy reads are mostly "maybe reads". Ghost is stupid for voting Keirathi in the beginning. He has Mementoss on "his radar" and then never mentions him again for the rest of day 1.He tries to build up on gonzaw and then later he just backs off abruptly. There's no real backing behind any of these reads; they just exist momentarily then disappear. Then the way he defends himself from gonzaw and Mattchew strikes me as really scummy - he doesn't try to further explain how he's thinking about certain things or how his reads have formed, it's just biting back saying that the accusations are dumb. ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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s&b could be third party (either allied with another third-party or hoping that mafia will support a fakeclaim). I don't think he's mafia (unless it's a mirror role with a town person, which is really unlikely) - trying to tie yourself to another person as mafia like that when you can't be sure of their existence is beyond dumb. No one has claimed p-body so he's not scum that's trying to confirm himself and his partner. I think we should stick with the nisani lynch. If there is a p-body they should probably claim tomorrow. If no one claims p-body then, s&b's probably third party trying to get mafia to help him out. | ||
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On October 05 2012 05:28 Drazerk wrote: To keep myself alive longer which is pro town as you say so yourself. Why are you concerned about this? You're always the person who says that town should get rid of you at some point. | ||
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Mattchew is town. He voted for perfection, made what I thought was a good case then (not the kind of case you make just to distance yourself from a scum partner), and just seems consistently townie with his attitude and the way he's scumhunting. crossfire is probably town simply cause I don't think as a new player he would bus, especially not like that. And he would probably have known the voting rules if he was scum. leaning town on keirathi and austin. keirathi looked town to me from the beginning cause of the plan he had - it seemed real and not backing it up after the fact and his anger about having to claim and general attitude seem genuine to me. austin because of the way he's presenting his thoughts on people - he goes through like his entire process (especially that part where he talked about keirathi when responding to Mementoss's case) - that's a really hard thing to do as scum and I don't see him being able to do it. s&b shouldn't be lynched since he's linked with keirathi. I think drazerk is scum. He's ignored my question on why he was concerned about self-preservation (if you look at games he's played in the past, he almost always seems to say that town should just shoot him or get rid of him at some point since he's not very useful and hard to read). I know he said that (willing to die) as scum also in PTP3 but the situations aren't very similar. This is a mini where scum has already lost a very powerful role on day 1, not like PTP3 which was a big game. Self-preservation is something that mafia have to be concerned about. Then the way that his views regarding s&b have shifted strikes me as really unnatural (at first he says s&b is definitely scum cause he knows not to go after drazerk,then later drazerk says that he shot s&b to protect himself and then starts to fearmonger based on setup stuff). I'm leaning scum on gonzaw. the rolefishing stuff that people are talking about though is not very good - town gonzaw is fully capable of doing that also. gonzaw said earlier that if jinglehell doesn't present a good case on him (not like the stuff jinglehell was posting earlier about gonzaw, then jingle is scum. but now that jinglehell has made a case (which largely reads as if it is just everything that jinglehell had previously said about gonzaw in one cleaner post), and gonzaw has treated the case as if it was horrendous, gonzaw has done nothing to say that jinglehell is scum. instead he's continued to treat jinglehell as some kind of misguided townie. that's really the one thing that's making me think he's scum. in terms of his other behavior, i'm just not sure, i can see him doing them as either scum or town ( I took a look back through bureaucracy and his thoughts then too seemed genuine to me). | ||
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##Vote Drazerk On October 06 2012 07:55 gonzaw wrote: I'll answer against his suspicions anyways. I wanted him to make a case at all and commit. Yes the case may be "bad"....but meh how the hell am I supposed to react to Jingle? I get gut feelings he's town but he seems to purposefully try to antagonize me and dismiss everything I do every time i post something or respond to him. It's one of those times where you think "there's no way a townie would go at me like that and play like that", but then you think there are countless instances of townies doing that and you back down because, hell he might be one of those. Hiro, I take it you were away or something until right now? You said you were going to be inactive until friday. yea, i've been busy. but i'll have time to play over the weekend. Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:47 gonzaw wrote: Why are you already voting to kill Drazerk if you haven't "thought fully of this"? Same with you Hiro, do you have any thoughts about the whole 2-scum teams at all before parking your vote on Drazerk? We just realized there are 2 factions (we townies), we can't just instantly accept a Drazerk lynch without thinking about this first. It's possible Drazerk is town, just as it's possible he's from 1 scum faction and the scum from the other one are jumping on his lynch without consequences; and both of those suck (the latter not so much of course, but it will waste the whole day) I'm getting weirded out by all of you guys coming out of nowhere and instantly voting Drazerk without even thinking twice even though the game completely changed. I mean, I didn't see anybody (other than Drazerk of course) even flinch at Keirathi/S&B after X's flip for instance. Did everybody just assume they were town and didn't even try to think about it? Come on guys you are better than this. If you still want to lynch Drazerk fine vote him but don't just come say "yeah lol Drazerk obvious scum from some faction", park your vote and do nothing else and then disappear without even acknowledging there are 2 factions (or without trying to cope with it or anything). Maybe I just fail at trying to make sense of Drazerk. Him claiming shooting S&B makes little sense as scum to be honest (if he was scum shooting him he could have kept his mouth shut). He's making 0 effort though and that's damning as hell. Could one of you guys that are absolutely sure Drazerk is red tell me why he'd claim S&B's shot and claim an "improbable" role? Anyways, Drazerk you should probably claim your full role and role name this time Did you read my post? 2 scum teams means that each team probably only has 2 people and it explains why drazerk would be concerned about survival when he normally doesn't care - his only partner's already dead. And it also fits in with Crossfire being black. And having 2 scum teams doesn't really change much other than that. Crossfire's the only person who I had a read on based pretty much on the voting and he's dead. I have no idea why people think the role itself is improbable. 1 shot-vig is definitely possible in this setup for any faction. But him revealing that he shot s&b doesn't make him any more likely town - if he hadn't revealed that, and there's a tracker/watcher out there, he could have been caught instantly. | ||
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Walk me through your thoughts - at what specific points did your read on JingleHell shift between bad townie and sccum. | ||
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RS having normal KP plus a vig-shot from Drazerk is too much against the BS who have very limited KP. | ||
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On October 05 2012 13:49 gonzaw wrote: Please make points about me being scum that don't have anything to do with you or "starting fights" with you or "insulting" you or discrediting you or "misinterpreting" you. I won't ask you again. You made a case, and gonzaw seemed to consider it horrendous. So I was wondering why that made gonzaw think of you as a bad townie, when judging by his previous thoughts, he was going to call you scum if he didn't like the case. | ||
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On October 06 2012 11:03 gonzaw wrote: Jingle, Hiro, what do you guys think about ghost and what I wrote about him? Don't worry Jingle, even if I'm RS ghost can be BS, so you can actually pay attention to what I say. I hate using connections the way you just did. It's not reliable at all. Crossfire could very well have been mentioning ghost as town so much simply because he wanted to associate being against perfection as a town trait (protecting himself) I got the feeling off ghost that he was just being dumb early on with the Keirathi "too much effort" thing but I'm not sure now. He seemed really unwilling to do anything on the s&b/nisani lynch and I'm having trouble deciding whether that was because he was busy or whether he just didn't care who got lynched. I need to see more from him to decide. | ||
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On October 07 2012 05:54 gonzaw wrote: as scum) Differencing the colors between them is a pain in the ass though (there are only 6 combinations though). Who is BS then? You? Join in the discussion Hiro, who is the remaining BS and who is the remaining RS, or at least who is scum no matter what color he is? I think you're the black scum. Could also be ghost or or jingle, not sure about them, but I would put my money on you. | ||
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Xfire's role seemed way too underpowered. He had 5-maximum 1 KP to use, only if a night action was used on him, and could only be used on the guy above or below him on the list. Compared to GlaDOS who was a RBer/GF/other shit that seems very underwhelming. Again considering Gordon Freeman is the most "important" figure from Black Mesa one would assume he got the best powers (just like you would assume GlaDOS got the best powers from RS). If so, then the remaining BS dude has shitty powers right? Maybe some kind of Framer ability that could deal 1 KP in some way or something. Why is everything you say not make sense gonzaw? Freeman having a weak power makes it more likely that the remaining black scum have strong power/powers, not less likely | ||
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Drazerk's s&b shot isn't just abnormal for him. It's also an inherently scummy action - townies shoot to kill scum, scum shoot to protect themselves. That's what makes him scum, not this nonsense about whether he's drazerky or a dt or whatever else. | ||
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On October 08 2012 04:28 gonzaw wrote: Hello guy that should have claimed on D1 but hasn't done that yet. If he targets all night actions then he can't possibly exist in this game (for instance: Nisani watched Mattchew. If he had watched Mementos then he would have seen everybody in the game visiting him). Yep, this doesn't make any sense, we can know that. So...is Drazerk telling the truth or is he trying to confuse us? If he's confusing us....why keep shut about his "unblockable KP" until now, instead of doing so on D2 and shit up the thread there? shitting up the thread is only useful if you actually have teammates to benefit from the chaos... it puts attention onto yourself. frankly i don't see a scenario that explains what drazerk is saying. therefore he's lying. | ||
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On October 08 2012 04:02 Drazerk wrote: Bullet is immune to veteran abilities, bus driver effects and role blocks. Not medics/lightning rods though. Good job lying to us Drazerk. truly awesome. | ||
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On October 08 2012 09:44 strongandbig wrote: Hiro! who would you rather lynch tomorrow ghost or gonzaw and why gonzaw. He made a statement to the effect that if JingleHell didn't make a case against him that didn't revolve around himself/talk about misrepresentation/stuff like that, that he would consider him scum. JingleHell made a case that was pretty much the stuff gonzaw said he didn't want (and the way gonzaw treated the case also pretty much said gonzaw considered it trash like that), but he still just went with the "JingleHell is bad townie" view, even though what he said before suggested he would do the opposite. Then it's the fact that gonzaw seems to be alternately goading JingleHell into going after him and alternately complaining about how JingleHell keeps coming after about him - in part of his response to me about this point he seemed happy about JingleHell leaving off him for a bit and now he's wondering why JingleHell didn't go full throttle after him on day 3. Partly also cause he could be either red or black mafia too. | ||
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On October 08 2012 04:02 Drazerk wrote: Bullet is immune to veteran abilities, bus driver effects and role blocks. Not medics/lightning rods though. But the part where he goes from kinda defending gonzaw to wanting his lynch is way before that: On October 08 2012 01:49 austinmcc wrote: The foreknowledge point is a good pickup. The fishing is there. The momentum stuff on D1 is there. But why do I want the lynch "securely off Draz"? Like...I just watched him get very few votes in a game where he was scum. I fooking chatted with him late while he was active and scum when nobody was around. Aperture 1 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1. PTP3 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1, but snb dies and nobody reads, so he survives. This game, he DOESN'T play Drazerk-y on D1. Why? He says time. Maybe. But he also keeps getting caught D1, and so maybe he suppresses that for a day here and then can't contain it D2? I dunno about that. He also just claims to mess with his meta, so maybe even if he hadn't been getting caught he'd go from Drazerk-y to not? Gah. Nor does stuff like this make me want to unvote: Don't kill me, I'm one of the most active players. Instead, kill Gonzaw, who's been one of the most active players. He's right on mattchew; we're ignoring him. But he's complaining about activity and then calling out a guy who's been very active recently, albeit Gonzaw's activity is sometimes just gratuitous posts that don't help. On October 08 2012 02:26 austinmcc wrote: Those are reasons to want the lynch ON Gonzaw. They're not reasons to want the lynch OFF Drazerk, except that Gonzaw flipping scum could indicate Drazerk is town. Hold on. I just wrote up little hypotheticals about what happens if Drazerk/Gonzaw flip and are town/scum, how it makes the other look. But the "Gonzaw scum = Drazerk town" thing doesn't work. Multiple factions. Gonzaw scum = Drazerk not scum WITH Gonzaw. scumGonzaw can't know that Drazerk is town, just that he's not on Gonzaw's faction. Right? | ||
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If this is true then then Hiro and ghost's swap is completely irrelevant (at all I would have been swapped with ghost). what do you mean? I picked nisani and you cause I thought you guys were scum and I wanted to redirect shots from me onto you two. I stayed away from drazerk cause s&b had said that he protected me n1, so I figured there was a decent chance he would do it again, and I didn't want to block any vig shots on drazerk. I didn't think you would get vigged. | ||
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On October 10 2012 07:19 gonzaw wrote: For instance: Imagine there are the actions done on you at night: -Medic saves you -Scum use a KP on you If you redirect the medic save onto someone else...does the scum KP kill you? it should yea. I don't think your tracking is reliable btw (your n1 doesn't make sense). | ||
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why do you think jingle is lying about his claim austin? all I see about that from you is you saying why his role isn't imbalanced if not town - you don't really explain why you think he's lying. | ||
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Hey Hiro, which of these claims do you think is fake? Which one do you believe? How do they relate with the previous reads you had on everybody? I think your claim is real. It kinda explains why you've been playing strange - you were hedging your bets in case of a red scum win. And I frankly don't see a mafia player making the claim that you did - revealing that you have a wincon in which you can win with scum pretty much makes you a lynch candidate down the road and it's not something a mafia player would do. Since your role mentions Chell (and I don't see Chell being a mafia role), Mattchew is probably also town. Unless ghost ccs lol. austin's claim needs someone who can make portals, so if no one claims that he's scum. The fact that he made a claim like that though probably means he's town - scum don't make claims like that where they depend on someone else to support them (unless they have a teammate to do it, but no one's stepped up like that, so no teammate and probably not 3 people on a scum team). Not sure about JingleHell. His claim could be real, I have no real way of telling. But it doesn't reveal any real information and it whether it's real or not doesn't really say anything about whether he is town or scum. There really aren't very many people left who can really be scum tbh. Just austin, ghost, and Jingle. Well I guess you could be too and Chell could just be someone who you need to kill to gain powers or something, but I don't think it's likely at this point. | ||
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Elimination is fun lol. | ||
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Probably still makes it likely for him to be town, though. | ||
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On October 10 2012 23:56 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, I'm a Malfunctioning sentry turret. GLaDOS swapped my turrets with a portal gun, so I can swap places with peoples at night. Also, I can check the alignment of the person below me on the player list. Night 1, I didn't move and checked JingleHell. Night 2, I swapped with HiroPro and checked Drazerk. Night 3, I guess I stayed where I was at and checked Keirathi. Do you target a spot on the player list to swap into or a specific player? | ||
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I'm totes down for a Jingle lynch. | ||
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On October 12 2012 08:06 Drazerk wrote: To be fair half the town was fighting between ourselves yes that always helps | ||
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remember folks, walls of text = town | ||
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On October 12 2012 08:16 Keirathi wrote: Good game everyone. It was really frustrating to me that it devolved into trying to solve the game rather than scum hunt, but overall I enjoyed the setup immensely. Tons of awesome roles. Thanks hosts! the game devolved because town (especially mattchew) did jack shit after day 1. and gonzaw played brilliantly. that is assuming he was trying to play as a traitor lol. (and not town) | ||
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awesome setup. thanks to the hosts. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [day1] + [14:38] <austinmcc> test test 01[14:41] <@HiroPro> sup [14:42] <austinmcc> not much, responding to keirathi i guess [14:43] <austinmcc> don't terribly want to drop a vote on him right now, i usually vote pretty late, but I think his explanation has holes to poke at 01[14:43] <@HiroPro> yea [14:43] <austinmcc> everything so different from this alignment 01[14:43] <@HiroPro> but it's like really nitpicking [14:43] <austinmcc> it is, but i've actually done it before [14:44] <austinmcc> i caught talismania in a game where he suggested some plan to get everyone active and then fumbled with the reasons he wanted to do that 01[14:44] <@HiroPro> eh do what you think is right for you I guess 01[14:44] <@HiroPro> s&b man 01[14:44] <@HiroPro> that guy could be third party 01[14:44] <@HiroPro> gonzaw looks kinda weird also [14:45] <austinmcc> snb was REALLY inactive in GSL 2 [14:45] <austinmcc> was travelling or something, i'm unsure how active he is 01[14:45] <@HiroPro> yea, but like drazerk's point is valid 01[14:45] <@HiroPro> s&b has played so many games with drazerk [14:45] <austinmcc> yeah 01[14:45] <@HiroPro> he knows by now that draz will hunt for third parties [14:45] <austinmcc> bah, drazerk doesn't hunt for third parties, drazerk hunts for HIMSELF. Always rolling third party 01[14:46] <@HiroPro> lol true [14:46] <austinmcc> it seems like we've got too much KP for a third party [14:46] <austinmcc> actually, i have nothing to base that on 01[14:46] <@HiroPro> nah i don't think so. everyone in town will have a role [14:47] <austinmcc> gonzaw said he was busy for a few days, snb may be busy, got a couple lurkers [14:47] <austinmcc> trying to think who poses the biggest threat 01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that. 01[14:47] <@HiroPro> " 01[14:47] <@HiroPro> rofl 01[14:47] <@HiroPro> i feel good [14:47] <austinmcc> haha [14:48] <austinmcc> i haven't played with town drazerk in a real game i don't think [14:48] <austinmcc> nor with nisani [14:48] <austinmcc> nor much with ghost 01[14:48] <@HiroPro> i played with town draz in bastard 2 01[14:48] <@HiroPro> nisani was town also in that game, ghost 3rd party 01[14:48] <@HiroPro> might want to check it out if you have time since it's a very heavy themed game also [14:48] <austinmcc> okay, I'll reread that over the week [14:49] <austinmcc> i read it as it was played, but i'll refresh [14:50] <austinmcc> Dunno if Jingle will be tunnely this game or will try to help out 01[14:50] <@HiroPro> well i'm not too familiar with him, but if ptp3 is anything to go by, he's not a threat at all [14:51] <austinmcc> yeah. That can't be his normal play though [14:51] <austinmcc> he's been in a few newbies, and I think he was standoffish in a couple but not all 01[14:51] <@HiroPro> i remember someone coming into the ban list thread to complain about him while the game was ongoing 01[14:51] <@HiroPro> might have been shady 01[14:52] <@HiroPro> if gonzaw has time he can be dangerous 01[14:52] <@HiroPro> no one will listen to him, but draz picks up on things 01[14:52] <@HiroPro> ghost and s&b can be decent 01[14:53] <@HiroPro> mementoss too i guess 1[14:54] <@HiroPro> matt is really up and down, dunno what he's going to be like this game [14:54] <austinmcc> yeah, i was remembering shady and jingle sniping at each other in the one game [14:54] <austinmcc> hmmm [14:54] <austinmcc> i agree on gonzaw [14:54] <austinmcc> i guess we see how this game feels, but he's someone to take out before he can spam [14:54] <austinmcc> although he also seems to get off track sometime and just clog up thread 01[14:54] <@HiroPro> thing is right now the game is kinda dead [14:54] <austinmcc> if snb's super inactive i'm not overly worried about him 01[14:55] <@HiroPro> gonzaw is a good guy to correct that [14:55] <austinmcc> yeah [15:46] <austinmcc> ooooh [15:46] <austinmcc> looks like we might get PTP3 JingleHell 03[15:47] * iamperfection (webchat@69.177.214.63) has joined #makemoneyfast [15:47] <iamperfection> sup [15:49] <austinmcc> nothing, just scummin' it up [15:50] <iamperfection> what you think of my role seems like nerve gas will be the most usefull 01[16:25] <@HiroPro> ok i think i'll goad gonzaw into jumping on JIngle again 01[16:25] <@HiroPro> if he does that, the thread will turn into crap 01[16:26] <@HiroPro> perfection your role, uh, nerve gas is useful yeah, if we think we have a vig definetely use the 500 watt button and also stack it with austin's ability 01[16:26] <@HiroPro> that way they'll likely die instantly 01[16:44] <@HiroPro> what the hell lol 01[16:44] <@HiroPro> jinglehell actually dropped that just on 1 statement I made? 01[16:44] <@HiroPro> hrm 01[16:45] <@HiroPro> and i didn't even provide any quotes or games ol + Show Spoiler [Night 1] + [21:11] <austinmcc> check check 1 2 [21:11] <austinmcc> i don't have very long, but i can hop in here for a bit 01[21:12] <@HiroPro> hey 01[21:13] <@HiroPro> wait so what exactly where you trying to say with the mattchew thing? 01[21:13] <@HiroPro> i didn't really get it [21:13] <austinmcc> yeah yeah, it came out wrong [21:13] <austinmcc> ugh [21:13] <austinmcc> even in QT i misspeak sometimes [21:13] <austinmcc> so [21:13] <austinmcc> my role has an anti-bus driving property [21:13] <austinmcc> if i hit a bussed player, BOTH bussed players get shot [21:13] <austinmcc> so we know there's a bus driver somewhere [21:14] <austinmcc> if we think it's just bus driver and not other protective roles, and that a bus driver would bus mattchew to protect him [21:14] <austinmcc> then me shooting mattchew makes the most sense [21:14] <austinmcc> hit 2 targets [21:14] <austinmcc> but i think that we can't rely on no protective roles [21:14] <austinmcc> and we can't rely on a protective mattchew bus 01[21:15] <@HiroPro> hm, so what exactly do you want to do? [21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up [21:19] <austinmcc> sorry, trying to also get back into another game, was so focused on this game today [21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave gonzaw up tonight [21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up tonight [21:20] <austinmcc> i'm down with a memntoss kill\ [21:20] <austinmcc> killing Crossfire is a waste. snb is a waste (but could be fun for sheer oddness). JH is a waste. Nisani is a waste. That's 6 people entirely out if you count us out 01[21:20] <@HiroPro> drazerk is pointless. [21:20] <austinmcc> leaves ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, drazerk, keirathi, mementoss [21:21] <austinmcc> i agree with drazerk, and there are some suspicions on him as well [21:21] <austinmcc> so ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, keirathi, mementoss [21:21] <austinmcc> i don't think we should shoot ghost [21:21] <austinmcc> or gonzaw or matt [21:21] <austinmcc> i kind of come down to keirathi or mementoss [21:21] <austinmcc> for the actual factional KP 01[21:21] <@HiroPro> definetely prefer shooting mementoss 01[21:22] <@HiroPro> keirathi has actual suspicion on him and is kind of zoned in on nisani [21:22] <austinmcc> agree as well [21:22] <austinmcc> we're all good on factional then. And I don't think mementoss seems like a good protect target or anything tonight [21:23] <austinmcc> as for my shot, i've never actually been lynched, so I think I can avoid it [21:23] <austinmcc> at least for tomorrow 01[21:23] <@HiroPro> ok we need that [21:23] <austinmcc> so we need someone we want to kill next night 01[21:23] <@HiroPro> the burn then right [21:23] <austinmcc> i don't think we can possibly aim at someone being bussed [21:23] <austinmcc> it's just a .5 KP shot [21:23] <austinmcc> so i can fire 2x on one guy 01[21:23] <@HiroPro> no but it's free right? 01[21:23] <@HiroPro> you can use it twice in one night? [21:24] <austinmcc> ach night you may target a player and fire .5 silent kp at them (target will not be notified they were hit or protected from a hit). If the target is bussed with another player, both players will take the .5 kp because portals don't care about bullets. 01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yea you can't save that shot 01[21:24] <@HiroPro> you need to fire 0.5 each night [21:24] <austinmcc> yeah, but it won't kill until tomorrow [21:24] <austinmcc> so we've got to slightly think ahead [21:24] <austinmcc> i could want mattchew or gonzaw gone after 2 days maybe 01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yes [21:24] <austinmcc> i'm also slightly worried about some of the oblivious town players 01[21:25] <@HiroPro> well i think i can manipulate gonzaw [21:25] <austinmcc> JH is super duper towny to me but maybe not to others 01[21:25] <@HiroPro> doesn't matter if he is townie or not [21:25] <austinmcc> and Crossfire looks townie to me, if i'm viewing things objectively [21:25] <austinmcc> well, it matters late [21:25] <austinmcc> you're our best chance for endgame [21:25] <austinmcc> and you're set up well [21:25] <austinmcc> but if it's you and the two of them left 1[21:25] <@HiroPro> jh is so irritating and obssesed with himself that townies will suspect him [21:25] <austinmcc> i'd be lynching you in a heartbeat [21:26] <austinmcc> because they're so silly and towny. Everyone else might feel otherwise though and want to lynch JH for being JH 01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm going to go into endgame with crossfire and drazerk [21:26] <austinmcc> lol [21:26] <austinmcc> i wouldn't be surprised to see someone take drazerk out before then 01[21:26] <@HiroPro> yea it's possible [21:26] <austinmcc> or at the very least someone can bring up lynching him for the good of endgame 01[21:26] <@HiroPro> fine i'll take gonzaw and jingle lol 01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm not scared of gonzaw 01[21:27] <@HiroPro> matt might still be able to figure me out [21:27] <austinmcc> i'll be interested to read the thread if you guys are the final 3... 01[21:27] <@HiroPro> oh man that shit would be awesome lol [21:27] <austinmcc> i'm not overly scared about gonzaw either, but he's more threatening right now than someone like snb 01[21:28] <@HiroPro> yea s&b will get lynched 01[21:28] <@HiroPro> the guy has no thread presence 01[21:28] <@HiroPro> he came in today close to the lynch and all he said was drazerk is scum 01[21:28] <@HiroPro> didn't say a word about perfection 01[21:28] <@HiroPro> that kind of stuff will seem really scummy [21:28] <austinmcc> yeah [21:29] <austinmcc> he's been entirely missing the last couple games i've played with him, while he was at CERN or coming back 01[21:29] <@HiroPro> nisani can be lynched too i think [21:30] <austinmcc> i think nisani, snb, drazerk, JH without me on the vote, and even maybe ghost/keirathi can be lynched [21:31] <austinmcc> gonzaw has some neat little suspicions on ghost, but i don't know that they'll catch. Keirathi had that comment about iamperfection looking townie off meta [21:31] <austinmcc> which added to his other stuff makes him feel lynchable [21:31] <austinmcc> also, gonzaw and ghost seem to find him scummy, and iamperfection's flip shouldn't make him seem more townie, even if they don't care about his iamperfection read 01[21:31] <@HiroPro> yes 1[21:32] <@HiroPro> so who's the burn target? matt? crossfire? gonzaw? i'm leaning to matt 01[21:33] <@HiroPro> actually the frame might be even more important 01[21:33] <@HiroPro> if I can just try to figure out who the cop would target 01[21:34] <@HiroPro> probably nisani/s&b/drazerk right? 01[21:34] <@HiroPro> well you and kei are possibilities too 01[21:34] <@HiroPro> but my frame only makes people look guilty, not inno [21:35] <austinmcc> i don't see a cop checking snb N1 [21:35] <austinmcc> I could see cop checking nisani, drazerk, me, kei 01[21:36] <@HiroPro> we need to breadcrumb hunt 01[21:36] <@HiroPro> ugh it's so tiresome lol [21:37] <austinmcc> i don't even know how you'd crumb in this game [21:37] <austinmcc> i guess you can crumb the equivalent of your role in a normal 01[21:37] <@HiroPro> they'll do names 01[21:37] <@HiroPro> or yea equivalents 01[21:37] <@HiroPro> names of people [21:37] <austinmcc> like if I crumb some portal word [21:38] <austinmcc> nobody knows what that would be 01[21:38] <@HiroPro> names of people [21:38] <austinmcc> but yeah, crumbing targets and equivalents [21:38] <austinmcc> also, i'm guessing there are a lot of roles [21:38] <austinmcc> everyone loved aperture for the roles 01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yea def and we have no rber left lol [21:38] <austinmcc> people will be so disappointed if they join Aperture 2 and get no role 01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yep 01[21:38] <@HiroPro> i bet there's one troll green though 01[21:39] <@HiroPro> like the lemon thing 01[21:39] <@HiroPro> or the one that got a report of who was going to die at night at the daypost [21:40] <austinmcc> i'm going to shoot matt i think [21:40] <austinmcc> either matt or snb/crossfire [21:40] <austinmcc> if one of those two die [21:40] <austinmcc> i can claim vig or something, weeding out lurkers [21:40] <austinmcc> or weeding out people we don't want in endgame 01[21:40] <@HiroPro> you can't claim vig, we only have 1 kp itll be too obvious 01[21:41] <@HiroPro> oh wait 01[21:41] <@HiroPro> yes you can [21:41] <austinmcc> yeah 01[21:41] <@HiroPro> but its not a good idea [21:41] <austinmcc> i held my shot N1 [21:41] <austinmcc> or 01[21:41] <@HiroPro> like role!=alignment [21:41] <austinmcc> i couldn't shoot til x [21:41] <austinmcc> yeah [21:41] <austinmcc> but [21:41] <austinmcc> how you use the role can show alignment [21:41] <austinmcc> why would scum weed out a lurker [21:41] <austinmcc> that town didn't want to take to endgame, but probably wasn't going to lynch [21:41] <austinmcc> why wouldn't scum kill a stronger town player [21:42] <austinmcc> i only like those as kill options because I think they provide a strong argument that the use of the role is townie 01[21:42] <@HiroPro> not crossfire 01[21:42] <@HiroPro> people would lynch you if you claimed that 01[21:42] <@HiroPro> cause he voted for perfection [21:42] <austinmcc> yeah, true. only gonzaw suspicious of him [21:42] <austinmcc> remember he didn't know it was plurality [21:43] <austinmcc> so gonzaw's right, even though silly, about crossfire's vote not being a great towntell 01[21:43] <@HiroPro> no but someone will go, "that's a sign of him not having teammates to tell" 01[21:43] <@HiroPro> which is true 01[21:43] <@HiroPro> like if your teammate is up for lynch 01[21:43] <@HiroPro> you're going to know the damn voting rules [21:43] <austinmcc> yeah [21:43] <austinmcc> okay so [21:43] <austinmcc> mattchew or snb [21:44] <austinmcc> mattchew gets rid of townie. mattchew might be protected. mattchew might also be bussed [21:44] <austinmcc> actually, i don't care AT ALL about bussing 01[21:44] <@HiroPro> wait your thing will have flavor dude i just realized [21:44] <austinmcc> because i only do .5 kp. Horribly unlikely i'd be able to finish the person off 01[21:44] <@HiroPro> like if someone cross checks with aperture 1 01[21:44] <@HiroPro> they'll think you're scum [21:44] <austinmcc> sure [21:44] <austinmcc> sure [21:44] <austinmcc> well, less sure there [21:45] <austinmcc> i can claim to be a converted sentry gun [21:45] <austinmcc> or whatever else 01[21:45] <@HiroPro> -_- [21:45] <austinmcc> like...i can either claim a slightly different name [21:45] <austinmcc> converted sentry [21:45] <austinmcc> huggably soft sentry gun 01[21:45] <@HiroPro> that sounds so dumb lol [21:45] <austinmcc> renegade sentry gun [21:45] <austinmcc> this is how my mind thinks lol [21:46] <austinmcc> or claim like...sentry gun remote [21:46] <austinmcc> i dunno 01[21:47] <@HiroPro> wait so we have 12 people right 01[21:47] <@HiroPro> 11 after tonight [21:47] <austinmcc> yeah [21:47] <austinmcc> asked grey in QT about kill flavors 01[21:47] <@HiroPro> how many mislynches do we need? [21:47] <austinmcc> if it just says "x got shot" and not "x got shot by a sentry turret" then kill flavor won't matter [21:47] <austinmcc> even like "riddled full of holes" is fine 01[21:47] <@HiroPro> yea [21:47] <austinmcc> assuming no protects and no vigis 01[21:48] <@HiroPro> if your thing is flame [21:48] <austinmcc> 11 tomorrow, mislynch 1 to 10, 8 with NKs, mislynch to 7, 6 with NK, mislynch to 5, game ends that night [21:48] <austinmcc> my thing is bullets [21:48] <austinmcc> i'm an infinite bullet sentry turret 01[21:48] <@HiroPro> oh ok [21:48] <austinmcc> so that's 3 mislynches [21:48] <austinmcc> to win 01[21:48] <@HiroPro> 3 mislynches? [21:48] <austinmcc> assuming no third party [21:48] <austinmcc> no vigis [21:48] <austinmcc> no protects [21:48] <austinmcc> no nothings 01[21:48] <@HiroPro> and we need 2 of your kills or 1? 01[21:49] <@HiroPro> 1 right? [21:49] <austinmcc> 1 kill [21:49] <austinmcc> the second kill would take us to 3 players left with 2 of us being scum, so we'd win whether i get that kill or not 01[21:49] <@HiroPro> i don't think we can get 3 mislynches if you shoot s&b [21:49] <austinmcc> if I die before that last night [21:49] <austinmcc> then we'd need 4 i think [21:49] <austinmcc> okay [21:49] <austinmcc> i'm good shooting mattchew [21:49] <austinmcc> that's true that we're going to need good mislynch targets 01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yea [21:50] <austinmcc> and i guess it frees up tomorrow night's factional for anyone who comes out too strong 01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yes 1[21:51] <@HiroPro> and ill carry out the kill on memen 01[21:51] <@HiroPro> my role might be an issue later on... cause i won't know what i show up as visiting 01[21:52] <@HiroPro> cause i copy the visits of the person who i visit lol 01[21:52] <@HiroPro> but it does give me their alignment so i should still use it [21:54] <austinmcc> yeah. as long as you don't use it on me you'll come off town to DT checks. the only risk is...what. someone rolechecking the person you target and getting back your role [21:54] <austinmcc> then, if things go late, you might get tripped up if a roleclaim was forced [21:55] <austinmcc> even if you had a fakeclaim name, you couldn't really show you'd done anythign to anyone [21:55] <austinmcc> that's so far out there that it isn't worth orrying about though [21:55] <austinmcc> okay so [21:55] <austinmcc> kill mementoss [21:55] <austinmcc> .5 KP mattchew [21:55] <austinmcc> i'll write a case on mementoss tomorrow [21:55] <austinmcc> and some other normal night stuff | ||
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On October 12 2012 12:44 gonzaw wrote: But both scum thought I was legitimately scum as well :/ It's not that they thought I was town and tried to get an easy misslynch on me....scum thought I was from the other scum team (both of them I think) ....I don't know what to think of that lol N2 was the one where me and Jingle started that shitstorm right? I don't think there was nothing to do that night other than that though. Then you didn't read very well. Neither austin nor I thought that you were scum. We just thought that you weren't revealing exactly what your role was (in terms of wincon). | ||
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If I framed someone, I bussed my watch/track results with their watch/track results. | ||
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HiroPro
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Edit: Well actually no you shouldn't have. It's entirely possible that scum were hiding their roles and someone else targeted me that night. Unlikely, but possible. My behavior should have gotten me lynched, but that's a different story. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:46 JingleHell wrote: I'ma pull out a gonzaw defense for that wall of text. I don't remember that, I don't agree with that, you didn't understand me, why do you want me dead, I don't want to play mafia anymore. Did I do it right? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Heck that's what made it scary to use Jingle's ability on someone to target me. We had no idea what their ability was. I figured there would have been a DT because there were 2 scum factions and at least 5 total. Also, I figured there would be more than just 1 town vig with that many scum, but meh. idk You needed to play townie enough to get some protection. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
But it is very variable. Like a lot depends on the interaction of night actions. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:13 gonzaw wrote: I would have thought he would have gotten protection on N1 though. I mean, he was like "confirmed town" by that point, wasn't him? Why didn't any of the 4 "medics" (Nisani, Kei, S&B, Mementos) protect him? lol Why would he get protection? He was pretty useless. Plopping a vote down doesn't make you "confirmed town" and it certainly doesn't merit receiving protection. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
And having kanti be town when he was mentioned as a "being of great power" in balrog's PM was pretty funny too. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 12 2012 14:33 gonzaw wrote: He hammered a scum from the (at that point assumed) only scum faction in the game on D1. If he was town, scum would have it almost impossible to get him lynched and he would be considered pretty much confirmed town (like many did) because of that fact, whether he's useless or not. That's enough for scum to shoot him (if he were town), which is enough to get him protection (to avoid a scum shot), at least from 1 of the 4 medics. I'm glad they didn't though of course Did S&B/Kei target me or one of them that night? I don't really get how that's being invincible. If let's say S&B was shot that night...I'd get shot instead and die, right? It's not like they're aware that there are 4 medics.... And it's always better to protect the people who are actually scumhunting well (which on d1 was matt/mementoss). | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
So he couldn't defend himself and he couldn't move his vote. Not possible to save someone in that situation. If he had come back and given a defense, I would probably have backed off. | ||
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