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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:51 thrawn2112 wrote: And? He can answer the question when he comes back, no? yes we should | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 27 2012 22:02 Ottoxlol wrote: I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:15 Ottoxlol wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? No, I picked at you because I saw your post's and they took my attention. But ok, good defense I guess. ##Unvote: Ottoxlol. BTW, who do you think is scum? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this. Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:22 phagga wrote: Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve. If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation. Then who will you vote for? | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
I will wait for him to post, then we will see | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did. ## Vote Thrawn You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet. @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out: On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him. First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote: I will wait for him to post, then we will see Why the fixation on SnB? Why is SnB so pivotal for your reads? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
##Vote: austinmcc | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Thrawn2112 (1) - iamperfection austinmcc (1) - Bluelightz Ottoxlol (0) - Not Voting (7) - Everyone Else. No-Lynch deadline in ~29 hours on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:29 Bluelightz wrote: If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective? Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:55 phagga wrote: Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred. So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? iamperfection's vote reads town to me. Not because of the reasoning behind it (drawing connections at this point is not particularly helpful, but doesn't really serve to do anything scummy either), but because it's time to start taking stances and getting votes out. If we're not getting a lot of discussion and action out of nowhere, then starting to drop votes may help push that along, which would be pro-town. On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote: I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. I still feel the whole random lynch discussion "is dumb." People know the intent behind it now and, as explained in iGrok's mafia, it's really only a tool that you can use without explaining your intentions. The usefulness of the suggestion diminishes if people know that you're most likely suggesting a random lynch for discussion. That does a couple things for me. It makes me disagree with Ottox here, because answering why you support a random lynch undermines the suggestion's usefulness (if it has any). So I don't care that SnB didn't answer certain questions early. I disagree with SnB's statement that a random lynch suggestion might make scum nervous (it shouldn't be making anybody do anything right now, at least not on TL mafia), but that doesn't tell me about SnB's alignment. This post On September 27 2012 22:02 Ottoxlol wrote: I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? is my least favorite of the thread so far. How can you call out others on things you do as well? is a poor response. Thrawn already noted that On September 27 2012 22:55 thrawn2112 wrote: Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid. But it's even more than that. Bluelightz just drops an FoS on Ottoxlol, and one on me as well. Ottoxlol's only complaint is that other people can be accused for the same reasoning. Which is fine, but absolutely not helpful. Other people doing the same thing gives us nothing. Why is that okay? Why aren't we ALL scummy for doing that same thing? Just because a bunch of people are sucking doesn't mean it isn't justified to call one or two people out on sucking. Bluelightz then votes Ottox, and we get this post: On September 28 2012 00:15 Ottoxlol wrote: A couple things here.+ Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
So, ##Vote: Ottoxlol If he's so concerned with why he's being voted instead of half of town, then he needs to separate himself from half of town. Instead, he's going to On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote: I will wait for him to post, then we will see wait for SnB to post some answer. Waiting for an answer is a bad course of action, especially with our start so far. Waiting for an answer from ONE PERSON is a bad course of action. Ottox seems to be saying that if SnB gives a certain answer, he'll get a vote. If he gives another answer then...he won't? And Ottox is just fine to do nothing and wait until that happens. No good. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
In terms of his actual filter, I find this curious: On September 27 2012 09:10 ShiaoPi wrote: Sinensis Also why did you call out austin for saying the random lynch idea is "stupid"? Iamperfection said it too, I did as well. So why do you FoS austin? Only for the Boxer thing? If so that would come down to personal belief as I think there would also be a time when a Boxer claim might be useful for town. Sinensis's response On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: This is what I said about austinmcc reguarding "Random lynch still dumb.": I don't know if I can explain myself any more clearly than that. The reason I didn't pressure you about it is because you did exactly what I did, you asked SnB to explain himself and he did. That made you look like you had a town agenda. But here's ShiaoPi's post about RNG lynch. On September 26 2012 22:52 ShiaoPi wrote: Well that was a quick read. Some thoughts in no particular order first: -random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo ... Now some directed stuff: @SnB: Why did you suggest random lynch? I do not want to hear why Palmar does it in whatever other game he played. I am interested in your arguments. ... The rest of ShiaoPi's post there had nothing to do with his thoughts on RNG lynch. I don't care if Sinensis wants to call me out for saying random lynch is dumb and not explaining why I think so. But ShiaoPi's comment was "random lynch is stupid. no need to discuss it imo" and Sinensis thinks The reason I didn't pressure you about it is because you did exactly what I did, you asked SnB to explain himself and he did. If I'm FoSed for calling a random lynch dumb and shutting down discussion, I find it odd that ShiaoPi wouldn't be for doing the same thing. Yes, he asks SnB to give his own reasoning for supporting the lynch, but...there's still an explicit statement that the possibility of a random lynch doesn't need to be discussed and that it's "stupid." So Sinensis, two things. Do you have any thoughts on other players at this point? You've been really me-centric in most of your posts. If calling something dumb and shutting down discussion is scummy, what do you make of ShiaoPi's comments there? While he does seek answers from SnB, he also explicitly states that RNG lynch merits no discussion? | ||
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