|
I agree with austins analysis. I would also like to point something out about this post of Ottoxlol which just occured to me a few minutes ago.
On September 28 2012 00:15 Ottoxlol wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 22:02 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote:Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time. Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote:
My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum.
Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others?
Besides Ottoxlol showing fear again of getting lynched, he tries something very untowny: To blend in.
As a townie, you generally have 2 priorities:
- Hunt scum
- Establish your own innocence (which makes scum hunting for town easier as they can concentrate more on the not-so-townie players).
However, instead of taking Bluelightz' vote on him as a wake up call to follow either of those two paths, Ottoxlol instead tries to point out that others are the same as him. That's just plain wrong. This does not help town at all and gives Ottoxlol the possibility to hide behind other players, which is a scummy thing to do.
#Vote Ottoxlol
|
Sorry for spam, but I'm catching up and need to separate these posts so they're a little more coherent.
iamperfection, why should I vote for Thrawn over other players here? Why is he scummy, beyond him spouting off some association junk? Is doing that really more scummy than anything anyone else is doing?
ShiaoPi, I'm interested in the answer to this:On September 27 2012 23:43 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
strongandbig, do you maek thinks on things? There's not much to go on, but I've got you as relatively townie so far. I just misread you under the same circumstances (low post count, general townie feel to posts), so I'd like to see some more thoughts from you. Can you give some more thoughts on Ottoxlol? Am I scummy for not posting a billion things?
|
On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that?
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
On September 27 2012 22:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 22:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
@thrawn:
from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway.
What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol. My bad I was confusing you with Sinensis in that post about their interactions. Here was his post: Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote:
@ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. So that post about interactions between you and snb + Show Spoiler +On September 27 2012 21:49 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote:
@ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion. I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells? applies to him. Nothing much about ottoxlol other than his defense to bluelightz was bad and I want to see a better one. Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid.
I wasn't implying SnB's meta is unclear and dickish. I've played many games with him and he's never been a dick to me. I was implying that being clear and undickish (that's a word I promise) is a good way to be in general. It makes communicating easier. That's all I was saying with that. Communicate clearly and undickishly and I'll be happy to give anyone my time.
@ShaoPi: I already realized that error. The main point I'm trying to drive home is that if there is a fake Boxer claim, the blues will know about it, and that is PROGRESS for town. If town fake claims Boxer, our blues will not know if there is a fake claim, so if you are town, don't fake claim!
@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response.
Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that.
In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this.
##Vote: Austinmcc
|
Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.
|
Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (1) - iamperfection
austinmcc (2) - bluelightz, Sinesis
Ottoxlol (2) - Bluelightz, austinmcc, phagga
Not Voting (4) - Ottoxlol, Thrawn, ShiaoPi, strongandbig
No-Lynch deadline in ~25 hours on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
|
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response. Show nested quote +Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that. In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this. ##Vote: Austinmcc
SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen.
Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows.
So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen.
Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
|
On September 28 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that. In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this. ##Vote: Austinmcc SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen. Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows. So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen. Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that.
So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
|
On September 28 2012 04:57 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that. In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this. ##Vote: Austinmcc SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen. Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows. So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen. Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that. So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow?
"hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard.
I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith.
|
I'm in transit today, and will be again on Monday.
@questions someone was asking me: I think I was pretty clear explaining the random lunch thing. There's a bunch of names in here I don't recognize, so proposing the random lunch was kind of a long shot hoping that some of the ones I did recognize would go along with me because they knew the plan. It didn't work out, oh well.
Sinensis I don't think your point on Austin is very good. Even if you disagree with him, for that to make him scum his position would have to be pushing a scum agenda and I don't think it does. He's not saying "scum wouldn't hammer someone becaise it would bring pressure, therefore hammering isn't scummy", he's just saying "hammering would bring a lot of pressure" - or at least that's how I interpreted it.
I also don't think "you seem too afraid of getting lynched, you must be scum" is good logic. Actually, that's terrible logic - if townies always let themselves be lunched or didn't care about it then scum would always get easy mislynches and win. Conversely, if townies never let themselves get lunched then town would always win. Getting mislynched is like the worst thing a townie can do. So don't judge ottoxlol based on whether he's trying not to get lynched, judge him based on how he's scum hunting and how he is interacting with the thread.
Also I place an fos on whoever said he was scum because he doesn't want to get lynched. I really think that's bad logic.
Planes gonna leave soon ill check in again later tonight.
|
On September 28 2012 05:00 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:57 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that. In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this. ##Vote: Austinmcc SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen. Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows. So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen. Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that. So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow? "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard. I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith.
That was a yes or no question. Not a dodge with short answer and claim none of this matters question.
|
On September 28 2012 05:03 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 05:00 austinmcc wrote:On September 28 2012 04:57 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:@Austinmcc: This is the second time I've posted this, I'm voting for you until I get a response. Hammering someone makes you stick out. Hammering someone with no warning whatsoever makes you stick out. If scum want to stick out and be visible, I don't have a problem with that. In my FoS post against you I pointed this out. This post implies you don't mind the last person to vote hammer voting. Most of us have expressed we are against this because all it does is cut discussion short. I am against it and I think your reasoning parallels "too scummy to be scum" logic. You still haven't responded to my criticism about this. ##Vote: Austinmcc SOMEONE is going to be the hammer vote. In every vote. It's going to happen. Being the hammer vote with no reasoning given is going to stick out and make you look quite bad. Maybe I have more faith in TL towns, but I'd assume at least SOME reasoning is going to be given with a vote. Giving no reason in a full-size majority extended lynch often raises eyebrows and is frowned upon. Giving no reason for a vote in a mini this small when you hammer someone would raise all eyebrows. So ... I'm not worried about people hammering with no reasoning. They're going to stick out. They're going to get scrutinized. Yes, it would cut discussion short. But I don't think anyone is realistically just going to pop in and drop a hammer vote with no reasoning. Maybe someone will prove me wrong about that. But until then, I'll have faith in my fellow townies and assume it's not going to happen. Why should I be worried, then, about hammer votes with no reasoning? No townie should be doing that, period. So it's the exact opposite of "too scummy to be scum." It's "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum." That's why I don't care if someone does it. Because anyone doing it is basically claiming scum, and everyone in both alignments should know that. So lets say someone hammer votes today with no explanation. Are you going to vote for them tomorrow? "hammer voting with no reasoning is so scummy you're scum" is hyperbole. But it's NOT a good indicator of towniness. It's more than enough reason to really scrutinize someone, and poke at them pretty hard. I'm still unconvinced that this is actually going to be a problem. Have faith. That was a yes or no question. Not a dodge with short answer and claim none of this matters question.
Then no. So scummy you have to be scum is hyperbole, it's not guaranteed to garner a vote.
|
@SnB
The question was that if we would have gone along with the random lynch, why would it be good for town or scum? The way I see it only scum would want "random" lynch, could you explain it to me why you are not scum for wanting random lynch?
@phagga
That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well...
If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch?
@austin
My main problem is you try to skew my post in a very different way then its written. My response to Bluelightz can be used for you as well, you do not point out why am I scummy other then I don't scumhunt (when next part you attack me for wanting to get answers from SnB, lol at waiting is bad with instant majority)
|
On September 28 2012 05:03 strongandbig wrote:
I'm in transit today, and will be again on Monday.
@questions someone was asking me: I think I was pretty clear explaining the random lunch thing. There's a bunch of names in here I don't recognize, so proposing the random lunch was kind of a long shot hoping that some of the ones I did recognize would go along with me because they knew the plan. It didn't work out, oh well.
Sinensis I don't think your point on Austin is very good. Even if you disagree with him, for that to make him scum his position would have to be pushing a scum agenda and I don't think it does. He's not saying "scum wouldn't hammer someone becaise it would bring pressure, therefore hammering isn't scummy", he's just saying "hammering would bring a lot of pressure" - or at least that's how I interpreted it.
I also don't think "you seem too afraid of getting lynched, you must be scum" is good logic. Actually, that's terrible logic - if townies always let themselves be lunched or didn't care about it then scum would always get easy mislynches and win. Conversely, if townies never let themselves get lunched then town would always win. Getting mislynched is like the worst thing a townie can do. So don't judge ottoxlol based on whether he's trying not to get lynched, judge him based on how he's scum hunting and how he is interacting with the thread.
Also I place an fos on whoever said he was scum because he doesn't want to get lynched. I really think that's bad logic.
Planes gonna leave soon ill check in again later tonight.
You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry.
Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you.
The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town.
(in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing).
|
On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote:
Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol.
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play.
Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too:
On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer
I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose?
ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else.
|
So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
|
On September 28 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others.
That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information.
You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly.
The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything.
|
On September 28 2012 05:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
So you see, then I wasnt entirely clear with my defense, its not about "why didnt you guys choose someone else, don't kill me", its more about TELL ME why did you choose me over the others. That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information. You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly. The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything.
It fits because as far as I understand the vote on me by you is because i don't hunt scum, then what is "That is you requesting that we give you more information." if not that? And there is asking SnB why did he do something only scum would do (imo)
|
##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why?
|
Since austin is in a tiny bit of trouble i will come out and say i think he is town. Austin has been very up front with his thought process and why he is thinking the way he thinks about certain players. Austin played liked this with his defense in my last game especially towards the end before he died.
I see much town mentality in the way Austin is thinking.
|
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
