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On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting?
Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
Because his defense was "everyone else is playing bad, not just me." He feels if he is in the spotlight and being voted for, than anyone could be because his town play is at least as good as everyone else's; so he believes. This is a bad defense by him and he needs to do better, maybe not take personal offense when someone points out one of his mistakes. I understand why he was critical of your play SnB, you freaked him out with your rng suggestion, but I don't really understand why he voted for thrawn other than that thrawn is playing more aggressive than he is.
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otto you keep saying that I'm lying and you're acting like you have no clue why my accusations are being made, and I think whether you're town or mafia you actually do know why. I feel like most of your defenses thus far have been deflections or omgusing
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Ottox, here's how random lynch would really work.
There'd be some outside random generator. Palmar, when actually suggesting this, had a site set up. Based on the time, it kicked out a name at random, iirc. Everyone could go to the site at x time, and whoever it picked at that time would be the lynch.
Nobody had to report in anything special, you couldn't game the system by going to an RNG website and just roll 30 or 40 lynches and post a screenshot of whatever one you liked best. It was verifiable by everyone in the game because they could check the site at x time, but wasn't controlled by anyone in game, so you knew it was actually popping up a random name.
On D1, as far as I can tell, scum usually can get themselves better odds on not getting lynched than pure chance gives. In that case, a random lynch is scary because they can't plan for out, can't get out from under it, and don't have any control over the situation. Town's just gonna kill someone and it's got a whatever out of whatever chance of being scum.
I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
##Unvote
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austin how is that explanation of random lynch relevant?
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because this:
On September 28 2012 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
There's a higher chance that they get lynched that way on day 1 and if they get chosen their partners can't save them.
It's an unexpected and unpredictable situation where they have to react quickly.
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
@SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them
On September 28 2012 10:58 Ottoxlol wrote:
As you can see I am already concerned with that I am not sure if I understand random lynch and that I don't like it if its the way I think it is. This was my 5th post.
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Yeah but their discussion (otto and snb) seems to have moved on about the logistics of it, as per this post and the one snb made after it. Just seems like way too many words to clear up something that has pretty much been wrapped up.
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On September 28 2012 11:43 austinmcc wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ottox, here's how random lynch would really work.
There'd be some outside random generator. Palmar, when actually suggesting this, had a site set up. Based on the time, it kicked out a name at random, iirc. Everyone could go to the site at x time, and whoever it picked at that time would be the lynch.
Nobody had to report in anything special, you couldn't game the system by going to an RNG website and just roll 30 or 40 lynches and post a screenshot of whatever one you liked best. It was verifiable by everyone in the game because they could check the site at x time, but wasn't controlled by anyone in game, so you knew it was actually popping up a random name.
On D1, as far as I can tell, scum usually can get themselves better odds on not getting lynched than pure chance gives. In that case, a random lynch is scary because they can't plan for out, can't get out from under it, and don't have any control over the situation. Town's just gonna kill someone and it's got a whatever out of whatever chance of being scum.
I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
##Unvote
Hey can you post that website?
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On June 11 2012 04:09 Palmar wrote:Anyway, I've thrown the site up, http://palmar.org/mafia/random.txtit's not set to autorefresh, so to get the latest result you need to refresh the page. Every minute crontab will run this script: cat /var/www/mafia/playerlist.txt | sort -R | cut -f2- > /var/www/mafia/random.txt And that's the result you're seeing on the page. Now just screenshot at random pre-determined time, and voila.
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austin, would you kindly respond to my accusation?
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On September 28 2012 12:01 Bluelightz wrote:
austin, would you kindly respond to my accusation?
Sure.
On September 28 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
My stance for today: austinmcc, because his post's are about hammering/setup, and only about hammering/setup, he hasn't attempted any scum-hunting at all, which is scummy because discussing about hammer/setup brings us no closer to victory. As well as, in his most recent game - Rockband Mini Mafia - he atleast already had suspicions on someone, not like here, when it's already 48 hours and more into the game.
##Vote: austinmcc
This bit? I know I was also FoSed in a post with ottox and I, but it seemed like that was for mostly the same reasoning.
I don't take issue with what you're saying. Like...I can't refute that I was not doing other things. Nor did any of that discussion end up as a jumping off point to any activity.
Rockband and this have been different games. There we had early movement and activity, gave me lots to look through. Here not so much. I've been poking around some today, and will be tomorrow. It's up to you to determine whether you find it scummy that I've been more active recently or not (I would suggest a town read, but ymmv).
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Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
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On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more.
if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
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On September 28 2012 12:16 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more. if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already
Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote.
I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox.
I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (2) - iamperfection, ottoxlol
austinmcc (2) - Bluelightz, Sinesis
Ottoxlol (2) - phagga, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (3) - ShiaoPi, strongandbig, austinmcc
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is in 17.5 hours at Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On September 28 2012 12:25 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 12:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more. if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote. I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox. I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read!
There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy.
And sorry I dont know what you mean by "close read."
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On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 12:01 Bluelightz wrote:
austin, would you kindly respond to my accusation? Sure. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
My stance for today: austinmcc, because his post's are about hammering/setup, and only about hammering/setup, he hasn't attempted any scum-hunting at all, which is scummy because discussing about hammer/setup brings us no closer to victory. As well as, in his most recent game - Rockband Mini Mafia - he atleast already had suspicions on someone, not like here, when it's already 48 hours and more into the game.
##Vote: austinmcc This bit? I know I was also FoSed in a post with ottox and I, but it seemed like that was for mostly the same reasoning. I don't take issue with what you're saying. Like...I can't refute that I was not doing other things. Nor did any of that discussion end up as a jumping off point to any activity. Rockband and this have been different games. There we had early movement and activity, gave me lots to look through. Here not so much. I've been poking around some today, and will be tomorrow. It's up to you to determine whether you find it scummy that I've been more active recently or not (I would suggest a town read, but ymmv).
Ah, Okay. ##Unvote.
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##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
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EBWOP Disregard my question Bluelightz
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On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that?
First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players"
Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
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On September 28 2012 13:19 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations?
I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific?
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