EPTOn September 29 2012 00:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
Anybody here?
Anybody here?
Sup what you want to talk about?
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
Sup what you want to talk about? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Try and throw out his other posts and other reads, just look at that in the context of where the thread is (Votes on Ottox, cases on Ottox, etc.) | ||
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ShiaoPi
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##vote: phagga Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. Also look at the way he shifted his attention around, never called out somebody (besides the "lurkers" at the start) on his own, but piled up onto thrawn and ottox respectively as they started to get pressured by others. As the pressure subsides he pulls back as well. So I wanted him to give out reads of his own, maybe a target of his own, instead of sheeping others and blending in with thread-sentiment. Looks like he is either not online right now or prefers to lurk. Since I want to sleep soon, I won't stick around all the time until he posts. I cannot see any good town reasons for trying to blend into the thread and doing nothing besides piling up onto players already under fire. Looks incredibly scummy in trying to be on the "good" side of town, while seemingly "contributing" but actually just coasting along. I know it's a bit late to propose a new lynch target but phagga reads red to me now. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Rereading all and I'll get some posts up. That timezone bit that you don't like I'm more null on. It's true that a bunch of timezone discussion won't really do anything, and the more I look back at it, the more that's not a point that could really start any discussion (which I was hoping it would). Timezones are just facts and it's not like scum was going to come out arguing that we should never find a common time to discuss things, so it wasn't going to filter out alignments at all. I kind of like his calling me out on the timezone bit being useless. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
What is your current read of Thrawn? What has led you to that read? Additionally, how do you read his vote on Ottox? | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Ottox' vote could be called omgus or scumhunting, it is kind of nullish. I already said that thrawn can be interpreted as scummy or townie so I am not so sure on it. I think both of them kind of talked to each other without listening to each other, at least it reads that way to me. As a result I dunno what to really make of it. Thrawn reads a bit as piling onto ottox while he is pressured, the votepost of his was not too informative, while ottox reads as kind of omgus. Both do not look too good in the exchange. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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To clarify, while both do not look good in that exchange, there is nothing escpecially or extraordinarily scummy within | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote: Because his defense was "everyone else is playing bad, not just me." He feels if he is in the spotlight and being voted for, than anyone could be because his town play is at least as good as everyone else's; so he believes. This is a bad defense by him and he needs to do better, maybe not take personal offense when someone points out one of his mistakes. I understand why he was critical of your play SnB, you freaked him out with your rng suggestion, but I don't really understand why he voted for thrawn other than that thrawn is playing more aggressive than he is. Sinensis can you explain this a little further. It was an odd comment. Did you find his defense/believing he was being unfairly voted for townie? Scummy? How did it make you read his attackers? Do you think he actually took "personal offense"? If so, where? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
His inactivity is generally null for a game that's early and hasn't been inactive, but I don't love that he's constantly sniping about the game being slow and then not really trying to do anything about that. + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages. I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue. Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim? Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past. On September 26 2012 17:38 phagga wrote: Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread. We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome. On September 26 2012 23:01 phagga wrote: I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive. I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread. On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Game is slow. Game is slow we need something to create discussion. I watch for inactives and point them out. Gets on Thrawn's case for not contributing. In all of that, phagga isn't doing an awful lot himself. I shared his feeligns that we needed something to create discussion, but had no idea how to get that started, so I can't really fault him for those posts. However, I don't actually see him hounding inactive players. I don't actually see him attempting to do too much. I hate this post: On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote: Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad. We know phagga wants discussion. Wants the game to move. He's speaking with Bluelightz, who posts this: On September 28 2012 01:26 Bluelightz wrote: So, EVERYTHING Thrawn did is an action that supposedly makes him townier? and that was phagga's response. Effectively, phagga is just shutting down the chat with Bluelightz. I'm only speaking generally. I agree that thrawn isn't scummy, but I don't like your reason. I won't tell you WHY i don't like your reason. I won't explain MY reasons. I won't keep the analysis of Thrawn going at all. Just give some general statements and not offer my own specific thoughts. Phagga's unvote on Ottox ... doesn't do wonders for me either way. The reasoning behind his original vote was something I didn't express well but also didn't like. The unvote comes a looooooooong time after Ottox has started to look very town. And it doesn't come with anything else. No desire to seek another target, no nothing after that. Just "Okay, no Ottoxvote." | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum. On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response). On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else. Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part. On September 28 2012 05:27 phagga wrote: -snip- You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. <--- WHAT USE IS THIS? Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you. The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town. (in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing). On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote: You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to notice? @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet. @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out: When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off. Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point, On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing. Final verdict: I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts. ##Vote: phagga | ||
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ShiaoPi
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so your verdict would be nullish? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
regarding the bolded part: On September 29 2012 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way. ##vote: phagga Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. You must be kidding me. How many times do I have to explain that I wanted to shut that discussion down before it takes off? Which I did, by the way, because noone was talking about it afterwards! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I'd really like to hear him explain how he feels about thrawn after he didn't do so earlier. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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the bolded part is not even the main argument but whatever. mind sharing your thoughts/reads? Preferably in a timely fashion since I do plan to sleep sometime... | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto. But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent. In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you. So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn. This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point. So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it. So ##vote: thrawn2112 | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig Phagga (2) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz Sinensis (1) - Thrawn2112 Not Voting (2) - austinmcc, Phagga With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends in 4.5 hours on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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