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On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets.
So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious.
On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them?
What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
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That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
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Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (3) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis
austinmcc (0) - bluelightz, Sinesis
Ottoxlol (2) - Bbuelightz, austinmcc, phagga, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (4) - ShiaoPi, strongandbig, bluelightz, austinmcc
No-Lynch deadline in ~16 hours on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
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On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations.
Anyways,
Sinensis makes this comment:
On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it.
I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said:
On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that.
He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was:
On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it.
So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last.
He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this:
On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are.
He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me.
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On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
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On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote##Vote Sinensis
What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
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On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote##Vote Sinensis What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place.
Don't be intimidated by the word count, feel free to defend yourself.
You need to go reread my responses to your posts and come back and say something about them other than they aren't worth responding to.
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On September 27 2012 23:43 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy?
First off: way too early for connection stuff, get a red flip (or any flip in that regard) first and then we get link people, but that is not necessarily a scumtrait
What I did not like was this post:
On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense
While I am also of the opinion that the hammer-vote has significantly more impact in this game, there is no reason to give out "warnings" since every player should read the thread and be active anyway, looked a bit like giving potential scum more time.
Also the various nitpicking stuff. As I said it is basically things which can be interpreted as scummy but are not necessarily so.
Now on to the stuff that happened while I was busy.
First off I don't want to lynch ottox today. You might say he is scummy for not defending himself and going after other people instead, I believe it to be more a towntrait to continue scumhunting, while being under pressure by yourself. Neither do I want to lynch thrawn or austin. Now who do I want to lynch?
I got several candidates at the moment:
First off Sinensis.
It feels like his cases and suspicions are kind of forced. There was not much of a basis on his suspicions towards austin (imo) and the current target thrawn would read as null-townish to me at the moment. While he has been an active person the real amount of contribution was kind of low, I also did not like the way he kept theorizing about Boxer or not Boxer-stuff when it was not really relevant at all.
Next up phagga:
His votepost really struck me as odd.
He accuses ottox of not playing like a townie should (scumhunting, establishing own innocence) while ottox' defense was precisely scumhunting on his own terms. While it may not be that good at establishing townieness, I think it to be town to look for scum instead of defending yourself all the time.
Last but not least iamperfection should really be stepping it up.
While he did the first vote of the game, it was with rather poor reasoning imo and he has largely gone back to lurking. What are your reads at the moment iamperfection? Still want to lynch thrawn?
I'll be heading out again, but be back before I sleep. Laters!
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@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play.
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On September 28 2012 05:23 Ottoxlol wrote:
@phagga
That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well...
If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch?
It was about the way you defended yourself. However, judging from your following posts, it indeed rather seems to have been bad townie defense than scum defense.
#Unvote
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@ shiaopi
Thrawn would still be my top pick. Call me stubborn but associative crap bugs the hell out of me. I don't think I'm wrong when i say townies do not make associations like that so i think he will flip scum.
However shaiopi could please expand your reason on why you don't want to lynch thrawn and austin.I saw you gave some reason on why you don't want to lynch ottox but what are your reasons for not lynching Austin or thrawn? I gave reasons on why i think austin is town do you share those or do you have different reasons? Also expand on thrawn please.
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On September 28 2012 17:45 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 23:43 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet.
Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town.
I'm off to bed...was a long day :S You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy? First off: way too early for connection stuff, get a red flip (or any flip in that regard) first and then we get link people, but that is not necessarily a scumtrait What I did not like was this post: Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense While I am also of the opinion that the hammer-vote has significantly more impact in this game, there is no reason to give out "warnings" since every player should read the thread and be active anyway, looked a bit like giving potential scum more time. Also the various nitpicking stuff. As I said it is basically things which can be interpreted as scummy but are not necessarily so. Now on to the stuff that happened while I was busy. First off I don't want to lynch ottox today. You might say he is scummy for not defending himself and going after other people instead, I believe it to be more a towntrait to continue scumhunting, while being under pressure by yourself. Neither do I want to lynch thrawn or austin. Now who do I want to lynch? I got several candidates at the moment: First off Sinensis. It feels like his cases and suspicions are kind of forced. There was not much of a basis on his suspicions towards austin (imo) and the current target thrawn would read as null-townish to me at the moment. While he has been an active person the real amount of contribution was kind of low, I also did not like the way he kept theorizing about Boxer or not Boxer-stuff when it was not really relevant at all. Next up phagga: His votepost really struck me as odd. He accuses ottox of not playing like a townie should (scumhunting, establishing own innocence) while ottox' defense was precisely scumhunting on his own terms. While it may not be that good at establishing townieness, I think it to be town to look for scum instead of defending yourself all the time. Last but not least iamperfection should really be stepping it up. While he did the first vote of the game, it was with rather poor reasoning imo and he has largely gone back to lurking. What are your reads at the moment iamperfection? Still want to lynch thrawn? I'll be heading out again, but be back before I sleep. Laters!
also why do you think its poor reasoning.
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I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this.
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On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this.
what do you mean elaborate please?
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Oh yeah, missed question from Sinensis:
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
Out of my current scum reads at the time I saw sure ottox was town after his reponse so I voted austin, austin has responded nicely so I unvoted him as well.
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On September 28 2012 22:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this. what do you mean elaborate please?
I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
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sooo I am back and I am gonna stick around for about an hour or so before sleeping and dropping my vote (sleeping at deadline).
@Iamperfection:
I do not want to lynch austin, since he reads as town to me. The thing with thrawn is, while there is some stuff that looks bad, it can also be kind of townie, so I am more for keeping him around for at least another day. Also being one of the more active persons, it should get easier to read him as the game progresses. It is poor reasoning since the derpage of doing associative tells that early could simply be town as well. Stupidity is universal and not limited to either alignment. So I do not like to kill him off that in addition to the things I mentioned already.
@Sinensis:
I read that whole dialogue, no need to remind me to do it. Still I did not like how you jumped on him. Point remains.
@phagga:
Who do you want to lynch?
@Bluelightz:
Same question as above. Who is scummiest in your opinion?
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Anybody here? 
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