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Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out.
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On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote: Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked.
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.
Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious.
## Unvote ## Vote Z-Boson
Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor.
I don't believe you. This sounds shallow and only as reasoning you created to suit the confusion/disorder you created.
##vote: Shady Sands
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On September 30 2012 14:14 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:56 Z-BosoN wrote: Hope kush doesn't follow the same path he chose the game he just came out of.
Hmmmm here Z-Boson soft defends kush Then kush follows by sheeping his vote ##FoS Kush
Except kush isn't voting with zboson right now.
On September 30 2012 14:02 kushm4sta wrote: Shady called me a troll wtf. I'm not a troll shady you're mean. ##vote shady sands
^policy lynch
That's now a policy lynch.
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On my phone until about ten tonight most likely. Read through and don't remember who but someone called out someone for voting Shady for the reason I voted Shady but not me. Why was it sketchy for him but not me? That doesn't make sense.
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On October 01 2012 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. From this quote it seems strategically beneficial for scum to be semi lurkers. Unrelated and seemingly contradicting what I just said, ##FOS Risen. Why are you even thinking about what playstyle will keep you from getting lynched?
Because apparently that's how you should play as town. I've been doing it wrong since day 1. The point isn't to win, it's to avoid getting lynched as town.
Also, I feel like I'm invisible...
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EBWOP: Just got home to Flagstaff from Vegas (check my posting in mtg thread, was in town to help friends with moving and had the rtr prerelease). Class at 10:20am tomorrow and then free the whole day. Also, I have Tough Mudder this coming weekend.
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On October 01 2012 12:19 kushm4sta wrote:I'm not going to lose any sleep over a shady lynching. He's basically turned into a hardcore lurker, which is even worse considering all the pressure he is under. Not worse as in more scummy but more lurkery, Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote: /in
I am going to play like a troll this game.
You have all been warned. Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum.
Because he'd be the first person in the history of mafia to give himself an out pre-game if he drew scum.
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On October 01 2012 12:25 Keirathi wrote: Why is parking your vote on someone you don't think is scum a good idea?
It isn't. Anyone who's "happy" with a town lynch day 1 is more likely scum than anyone else (at least that's the card I always try to play. "he deserved it for his bad play, hopefully it teaches him a lesson")
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On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote: ##FoS Coagulation Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing.
I disagree with this FoS. Looks like my play from my last game when I was town.
I'm going to sleep now. Sorry I kept hitting post instead of consolidating. I'm tired. Won't happen again.
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On October 01 2012 16:53 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote Shady On the KingJames situation. You guys sure can take some grass and call it a forest. Or misrepresenting and lying as the factual terms are. I dislike defending people unless I'm heavily certain they are town but I mean spouting bullshit on how he's been fake-contributing day1 while half the thread have barely said a word strikes me as heavily weird. More suspicious still the people praising it as legit case. You can't all be scum so are you deliberately ignorant?
The answer is yes.
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On October 01 2012 17:33 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 16:48 Risen wrote:On October 01 2012 12:19 kushm4sta wrote:I'm not going to lose any sleep over a shady lynching. He's basically turned into a hardcore lurker, which is even worse considering all the pressure he is under. Not worse as in more scummy but more lurkery, Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: On September 30 2012 11:20 Shady Sands wrote: /in
I am going to play like a troll this game.
You have all been warned. Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum. Because he'd be the first person in the history of mafia to give himself an out pre-game if he drew scum. Even if that was the purpose of his post, how does giving yourself an out pre-game increase the chances of him being (randoming) scum? God thats some silly argumenting.
I didn't make that argument. Learn to read.
On October 01 2012 21:34 kushm4sta wrote: lynching someone you don't think is scum is common. it's called a policy lynch. also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched, so I might as well join this bandwagon because I don't like shady 's play
See most of my scum play ever. (I'm saying I say shit like this as scum all the time)
On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote: I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta
I don't blame you for this.
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On October 02 2012 01:11 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:06 Risen wrote:On October 01 2012 23:03 annul wrote:On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On October 01 2012 13:08 mkfuba07 wrote: I feel like I'm missing something significant here... He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. holy shit, seriously? what an easy decision. ##vote kushm4sta I don't blame you for this. Do you and annul actually believe this is a scum slip. Do you both not believe that there are players that can hurt town, as town, and should be lynched? I don't care if grush, BM, or MrZentor flip town, they make the game next to impossible to win in the late game if they are alive as town or scum
I don't think it's a scum slip, I think it's a tiny thing that adds up to him being the most likely scum candidate up for lynch right now.
He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. The main reason I'm voting for him was outlined in my initial vote post in here.
On September 30 2012 13:59 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote: Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked.
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.
Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious.
## Unvote ## Vote Z-Boson
Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor. I don't believe you. This sounds shallow and only as reasoning you created to suit the confusion/disorder you created. ##vote: Shady Sands
The case against kj seems to revolve around him saying spy read. I'd like to see how he responds to that "slip". If he doesn't respond adequately (or at all since he seems to have fallen off the planet once someone pointed out the slip, maybe he's hoping it would just go away?) I'm all for moving my vote to him.
Another problem I have with Shady is a connection between him and ShiaoPi. I can't help but think if Shady flips red it makes Shiao look so much worse b/c
On September 30 2012 15:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 13:59 ShiaoPi wrote: Shady besides you with your /in post nobody on the list looks like an obvious troll/unreadable kind of guy. (besides grush on the replacement), so I do not think this whole "gambit" as you call it was necessary... Spare me that kind of crap, you obviously wanted to troll around. you won't get thanks for nothing from me. Still kind of angry here, I'll be out to grab lunch and cool off... Hey i think your full of crap Shadys actions made you angry enough to leave the computer just because shady ALTernated With cap or typed in ALL CAPS. Come on ya im not buying it and i think you just wanted to weigh in on the situation and then have an excuse to leave. ## Vote shiaoPI Talk to me shiao i wish to know more. [/b][/b]
Same with Z-Boson. The post that makes me vote FOR Shady Sands is the one that convinces you he's not worth your vote?
On September 30 2012 13:56 Z-BosoN wrote: EBWOP: sniped.. got it
Shiaopi I feel for you LVII was a tragedy that should never happen again.
Hope kush doesn't follow the same path he chose the game he just came out of.
So now I guess this game can have a proper start then. Sup guys!
##Unvote
On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote: Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked.
The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow.
Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious.
## Unvote ## Vote Z-Boson
Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor.
I mean cmon, this feels like the most fake posting I've ever seen.
To sum: I want to see how Shady flips because...
1) He's my top scum read (we'll see how kj responds, and a red Shady doesn't make him green at all) 2) It will tell me more about Z-Boson and ShiaoPi.
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On October 02 2012 01:19 talismania wrote:Oh another thing, this quote: Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:And regardless of your alignment annul, you should probably know that I'm going to be exhausting. I haven't been in a mafia game for like a week or two. I realize that's like...probably a joke to you because you go literally months between games, but for someone who typically isn't OUT of a game, that's a long time. forgot this part when typing above. This is as now verging on a failed promise. He hasn't been posting "exhaustively". And he paints this picture of a guy with a lot of pent-up energy after a two-week break, but then his posting is way off his town rate from before the break. _________ On the same subject keep an eye on Risen. I remember him saying that he was going to go back to posting a lot but then he kind of disappeared.
I'm on the same exact page as you. This is why I posted asking if I was invisible earlier........
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On October 01 2012 00:20 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 23:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, that's all you got right now so I'd certainly not lynch you for that.
o rly
Oh yeah, VE this is why you're the 4th person who I could even claim to be getting scum feelings from. Contradictions are what out scum, and here's one.
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Oh, and if Z-Boson was just trying to get a reaction he would have rode the shit out of Shady like I rode prplhz. It's fine to be telling people how they can post more towny, because in the end scum is going to have to contradict themselves somewhere and their scumhunting is going to get called out, but just dropping the pressure you started and saying "oh hey game can start woo!
That's just so scummy to me.
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On October 02 2012 01:39 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:26 Risen wrote: I don't think it's a scum slip, I think it's a tiny thing that adds up to him being the most likely scum candidate up for lynch right now.
He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. The main reason I'm voting for him was outlined in my initial vote post in here.
You complain about being invisible, but you've completely ignore mine and marv's posts about kush (and, even been too lazy to go look up his meta for yourself, apparently). I don't think his meta is strong enough to say that he's 100% town, but there's no way I would want to lynch him the other day.
I didn't ignore them. I gave my reasons for voting Shady, I didn't say Kush wasn't a scum read, I said Shady is my strongest scum read. Followed quite quickly and probably going to be overtaken by KJ if he keeps dodging.
On October 02 2012 01:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:47 kingjames01 wrote: BUNCHA STUFF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SPIES
lol
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EBWOP: And in that post you quoted I'm talking about Shady Sands. Did you think I was talking about kush? I'm confused now.
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On October 02 2012 02:05 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:59 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And in that post you quoted I'm talking about Shady Sands. Did you think I was talking about kush? I'm confused now. How does it even make sense that you were talking about Shady? You said you didn't blame annul for his vote on kush. Matt asked you if you and annul both thought that him saying he was fine with voting a non-scum read was a scum slip. Show nested quote +Risen wrote: He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. I don't see how that applies to Shady at all. It's a perfect description of kush though. So if you weren't talking about kush, then I think we're both confused?
How about you go read what Mattchew said and what I responded to before you try speaking in thread again.
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Nevermind that's too much faith to be putting into someone. I'll spell it out for you.
Mattchew says
On October 02 2012 01:07 Mattchew wrote:Shady said before the game, before he knew his alignment, that he was going to troll. I have yet to see a shady case about his posting after his "trollfest" (if there is I missed it). If we lynch someone for doing something so non-alignment telling we are bad and we should feel bad. If you are voting Shady I want your reasons for the vote beyond "he was trolling and thats anti-town herp derp" STOP VOTING SHADY SANDS WITH SHIT REASONING
I was thinking that we should lynch Coag because he hasn't put in any effort after getting mad at Caller about his game. He got mad at Caller for not allowing him to play in a game and then joins this one and parks a vote on Shady with shitty ass reasoning. The thing holding me back on this is that this might actually be how Coag plays, and I dont think I have played with him in a real game that I remember. Austinmc hasn't contributed jack shit, which is very different from his usual productive town self Kingjames was extremely awkwardly wishy-washy with his attempt to call out keirathi. He talks about focusing on scum hunting but has spent almost all his time trying to defend and focusing on himself. His first post also reeks of scum trying to look tryhard townie. I want to a lot more from BC, his lack of contributions make me very nervous about him. ##vote kingjames01
See those big bold letters? My discussion of Shady and Kush were two entirely separate things.
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Oh shit I thought Keir was Kreb continuing something from earlier. I am bad, and I am sorry.
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On October 02 2012 02:01 kingjames01 wrote: What? Spies? Where do you think I've been for the past while? I've been playing The Resistance.
You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want.
There we play Spies vs Resistance.
Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game.
Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition?
Can you point to somewhere you reference this time spent playing The Resistance?
Even without that this makes sense to me, and I don't see a reason to vote KJ over Shady simply b/c of something that IS NOT A SLIP AT ALL.
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Lol I'm lost as to how Shady managed to live through today rofl. KJ man, sorry to see you get lynched for something bads are thinking is a scumslip that wasn't a scumslip lol
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On October 02 2012 05:45 kushm4sta wrote: I'm getting an I don't give a fuck tell from shady, not a scumtell.
That's why he's not here.
I played with him when he was scum and he posted a lot under pressure. in newb 25
Except he's not under pressure at all..... so what you're saying just isn't true....
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On October 02 2012 07:23 kushm4sta wrote: Um I don't get what is so scummy about austin. He gets hung up on spies. He drops it when an explanation is given. He brings it up again only when someone asks him about it. Can we lynch Risen instead?
Wat?
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On October 02 2012 08:32 kushm4sta wrote:I want to lynch RISEN because these 2 quotes seem like they are written from the scum perspective. This whole topic of.conversation reads like 1 big scumslip from him. Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:56 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. On October 01 2012 16:44 Risen wrote:On October 01 2012 03:38 kushm4sta wrote:On September 30 2012 13:57 Risen wrote: Hi guys. Not posting is boring as shit. Tried it in the caller game. Was never a lynch target, but I didn't have any fun, either. So I guess you'll be getting high post count Risen. Objective is as usual, don't rage the fuck out. From this quote it seems strategically beneficial for scum to be semi lurkers. Unrelated and seemingly contradicting what I just said, ##FOS Risen. Why are you even thinking about what playstyle will keep you from getting lynched? Because apparently that's how you should play as town. I've been doing it wrong since day 1. The point isn't to win, it's to avoid getting lynched as town. Also, I feel like I'm invisible... Let me revisit one of my FOSes. These two quotes seem like they are coming from a scum perspective. To Risen, lurkers are an easy way to not get lynched. To me, lurkers are an easy way for scum to hide.
You don't know what a scumslip is.
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So is kush new? Or is he scum trying to make a pretend case?
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On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.
Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands
KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read. Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?
In regards to the other lynch-candidates: Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.
I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.
On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him.
Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now.
Make sense to you? Doesn't to me.
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On October 02 2012 09:09 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 09:06 Risen wrote:On October 02 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm..woke up and caught up for now.
Shady still has not responded to questions and basically has not done anything, which makes me want to lynch him right now, but he seems to be bound to be modkilled anyway. For now though: ##vote: Shady Sands
KJ's read on Mementoss is kind of a lazy way out as he was lurking at the time of the read. Did Mementoss' recent posting change your read kingjames?
In regards to the other lynch-candidates: Kush would have been pretty high in my scumlist, but he looks like his town meta that was linked earlier.
I have no clue about reading VE, but he looks alright to me, nothing screams scum.
On austin I am kind of split, but I would prefer to not lynch him today because he is quite an asset to town (if he is town aligned of course). While his absence and stuff had been worrying I would suggest waiting for day 2 on him. Read as: Oh he would have been high on my lynch list b/c I think his play has been scummy, but someone else came in and said his meta is scummy so he's p much town to me now. Make sense to you? Doesn't to me. Did you read the linked stuff? It is pretty easy to come to the conclusion I did in my opinion. Suit yourself though if you do not believe me.
I don't care about meta reads. They're horrible and only let people hide behind excuses to play scummy.
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On October 02 2012 09:10 marvellosity wrote: You should care about meta reads, they help me to far more correct calls than incorrect ones
Really? What's my town meta vs scum meta?
Seems to me like I've been able to use "meta" in the past to hide and make people think I'm town. Seems to me like ANYONE with half a brain can just "act like their meta" and "poof!" towny.
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On October 02 2012 11:17 annul wrote: its happening extremely fast extremely easily and with no resistance.
I don't exactly like drawing the conclusion that easy lynches = not scum. Maybe that is what scum wants you to think? I understand not wanting to waste a lynch since Shady is apparently to be modkilled, though.
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On October 02 2012 14:22 kushm4sta wrote: annal your case against me is dumb/lazy. I don't buy it. You've never played with newbs before? I doubt it.
You go from what looks like contrived anger to buddy buddy jokes with VE.
You derailed the Node bandwagon, thus securing the shady lynch. You acted like you didn't want shady lynch but your actions supported it.
##vote annul
It's night time.
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On October 02 2012 14:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 12:55 annul wrote:On October 02 2012 12:52 kushm4sta wrote: annul we got less than 10 minutes lol..z boson is not happening we have 22 minutes. node got 8 votes in 12. anything can happen. Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 10:58 annul wrote:On October 02 2012 10:57 kushm4sta wrote: wait wait why are we voting shady if he hasn't voted yet and will probably be replaced?? guys got a point Annul WTF is up with your kush scum read? You keep hinting that you think he is scum, but go out on the limb and commuinicate with him a couple times.
Why is it wrong to talk to your scum reads? Only scum know alignments. Always give people ways to prove their "towniness". Scum eventually have to be scum.
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What does a Paranoid Arsonist do? I looked up arsonist, but have no idea what having paranoid attached to it means.
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EBWOP: There's also some other roles I can't find :/
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On October 03 2012 02:19 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:17 Risen wrote: What does a Paranoid Arsonist do? I looked up arsonist, but have no idea what having paranoid attached to it means. I know paranoid gun owner kills anyone who targets him at night. So I was thinking it was the same thing?
So a doctor wouldn't protect someone who targets a paranoid arsonist. Alright.
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Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back.
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On October 03 2012 03:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote: Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back. I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense? Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town.
It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling.
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I'm going to sleep now, so I won't be awake for day post unless I wake up/can't sleep. If I die kill marv (not a joke, not wifom bait, kill him)
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On October 03 2012 11:35 annul wrote: no answers from me until day 2 post
Why?
This why applies to 2 things. Why am I still awake? And why not share your thoughts before daypost? Why are you taking your thoughts to the grave if you're a townie?
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On October 03 2012 11:43 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 11:38 Risen wrote:On October 03 2012 11:35 annul wrote: no answers from me until day 2 post Why? This why applies to 2 things. Why am I still awake? And why not share your thoughts before daypost? Why are you taking your thoughts to the grave if you're a townie? i am not giving the reds any extra information as for what they want to do with me.
Thennnn why not post right before daypost?
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On October 03 2012 11:42 slOosh wrote:Umm, ok. Risen can I follow you up on this post? Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:26 Risen wrote: To sum: I want to see how Shady flips because...
1) He's my top scum read (we'll see how kj responds, and a red Shady doesn't make him green at all) 2) It will tell me more about Z-Boson and ShiaoPi. More so the second part since it seems like you think kj is town.
Shady flipping town means Z-Boson and ShiaoPi are more null than scum reads to me now. Shiao still leans scum in my eyes.
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On October 03 2012 11:55 annul wrote: its 60 minutes. stop bitching
Why do you know you're going to live through the night?
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On October 03 2012 12:42 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 12:35 kushm4sta wrote: IMO annul's biggest motivation not to post is laziness. Fake scumhunting is hard because you have to go against what you know to be true. He does not want to put forth that effort if there is a possibility that he is going to to be vig shot.. dat OMGUS
But it's in your defense!!!! Rofl.
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On October 03 2012 12:51 Sharrant wrote: @Risen I think Kush is still going after Annul in that post. He's saying that because it's difficult to pretend to be scumhunting, and there's a likelihood of Annul getting killed by a vigi, that he's opting to be lazy and just not post.
That is an alternate interpretation. Mine is the default, though, imo
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I'm so dumb.
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Flavor is so good
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On October 11 2012 13:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm hovering somewhere between 95 and 98% with you Kush. If you flip town I'll shit my pants. Literally. And post pictures.
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On October 13 2012 10:29 flamewheel wrote: NO DONT KILL BC HE IS A COBBLER
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On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery.
Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone?
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On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad.
I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win.
YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible.
Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE.
And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town?
Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play.
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Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg.
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On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good.
When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive.
I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking.
Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol
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On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play.
You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup.
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On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum?
And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves.
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On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game.
Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post?
And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten
Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T
On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves.
I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim.
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On October 18 2012 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day?
He needed a defense? The only defense he needed was "there is no counterclaim". What else does he need there?
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On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote: wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town.
A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it.
Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs.
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At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC.
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On October 18 2012 14:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town. A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it. Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs. Scum Role Cop, is, IMO, more common than town role cop. And especially more common than a town Role+Alignment Cop. Plus, it would make sense for scum to have a way to counter the extremely terrible paramedic role. Also: DETECTIVE was a scum role. All he would have had to do was say "Hey, I'm a Detective. I checked Mementoss last night and he was green." etc etc. No one would have counterclaimed him, and you would have made him confirmed town. Get off your damn high horse.
But it didn't work out like that, did it? Bad town.
On October 18 2012 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:16 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote: Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: [quote]
To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. VE made it very easy to lynch him. Did you read his defense at the end of the day? He needed a defense? The only defense he needed was "there is no counterclaim". What else does he need there? You are forgetting that he only had 1 bad read. His other two could have been easily faked by scum. If he had not checked MMToss it would not have happened. And VE was scummy enough that people thought that no cop would counter claim him even if he was fake claiming. If VE had been Townie looking enough and actually provided resistance to his own lynch I doubt it would have happened. If VE had not checked the one role in the game scum could be able to fake IMMEDIATLY AFTER HIS INVESTIGATION WAS 100% wrong. It would never have happened. You make it sound very simple. But without an obs QT and with these particular circumstances I can't fault town for voting VE.
It was simple. Don't be bad, townies. Don't lynch cop claims with no counter-claim.
On October 18 2012 14:27 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:23 Risen wrote: At the end of the day, I just really, really want everyone reading this, for the sake of my future sanity if I'm ever in games with you guys, to remember this lesson.
DON'T LYNCH THE COP OR MEDIC WHO HAS NO COUNTERCLAIM!
Alrighty, I'm done. Gg scum, gg BC. evaluate a claim on its circumstance and the play of the individual. otherwise you end up with situations like prplhz in NMM II riding to victory on an uncontested cop claim. Now the thing is that no one should ever lynch a blue claim just because "I wouldn't claim like this".
Probably a risk I'm willing to take. Keep that in mind for my meta peoples.
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On October 18 2012 14:30 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 13:11 strongandbig wrote: holy crap
mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players, wow
although that coroner role is pretty ridic Those weren't free lynches and a weak medic isn't that strong a role. Marvel just gave up for no reason at all despite risen making that "if i die he is mafia" post like 2 hours before deadline. Would have been easy to argue mafia shot him to frame marvel.
Argument would not have been easy. It's kind of like a red cop check after the cop has flipped and been confirmed a cop. You have to lynch the red check, no matter what, imo.
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On October 18 2012 14:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:33 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:30 syllogism wrote:On October 18 2012 13:11 strongandbig wrote: holy crap
mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players, wow
although that coroner role is pretty ridic Those weren't free lynches and a weak medic isn't that strong a role. Marvel just gave up for no reason at all despite risen making that "if i die he is mafia" post like 2 hours before deadline. Would have been easy to argue mafia shot him to frame marvel. Argument would not have been easy. It's kind of like a red cop check after the cop has flipped and been confirmed a cop. You have to lynch the red check, no matter what, imo. No, it's not like that at all. More like a cop announcing during night who he is going to check and there being a possibility of a framer in the game.
With such little time left? Could have happened. Also have to consider my meta of saying "lynch marv if I die" whenever I get the chance so maybe changing the shot wouldn't have been a good idea. Scum didn't know I was a suicide bomber doc. Still have to lynch him, though *shrugs*
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On October 18 2012 14:38 syllogism wrote: Can someone link to a case that was made against VE? Because all I'm seeing is people vaguely alluding to him being "scummy" (I hate that word for this very reason)?
I will go one further. Can anyone link me to an actual case against the two people who were lynched the final two days?
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On October 18 2012 14:44 BroodKingEXE wrote: Wow SloOsh, didnt move that one night mementoss watched. Pretty gosu scum desicion making. The NKs were actually amazing early game by scum, compared to blue actions.
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Blues outed two scum n1 and n2. I don't know how you think blues didn't do very well early on.
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On October 18 2012 15:43 slOosh wrote: Also, don't know why people assumed all the roles were in the game. It would have been heavily punished in any other game I feel.
Probably because it was said clearly in the OP that we knew the names of all the roles in the game. Which means they are in the game. Which means at least one person is each role (but more than one can be said role, a misunderstanding made by me in the obsQT)
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