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kushm4sta
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mkfuba07
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marvellosity
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now unvote me. | ||
Z-BosoN
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I think he claimed RB because he did, in fact, get RB and doesn't want an angry roleblocker on his ass. So, we got 2 vigi shots, and 2 mafia shots accounted for? mafia on BC and ... austin? and vigis on kingjames01 and annul. If that's correct, probably all shots went through and my VE got roleblocked and thus didn't kill supposition is wrong. Unless... austin is lying just so the angry roleblocker doesn't push VE or whoever else might have gotten roleblock as well? Hm... Carry on | ||
mkfuba07
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On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote: okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so: mkfuba07: First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin: - he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents. So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention) - the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us - that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time. If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now ##unvote Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture. Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote: ##Unvote Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window. As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain? Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone. ##Vote Shady Sands He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities... I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again. Not sure if this will do anything, but: ##Unvote ##Vote Node Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch. After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game? ...(checking through filters)... ...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me. Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway). Summarizing: I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively. What happened to your Node read fuba? On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv? For my early game activity, I state clearly that I'm going to essentially do the same thing as marv (bolded it for emphasis), and remove my vote from KJ. Here I'll be completely honest and say that when someone else does something I was about to do, I certainly feel a bit more confident about it. My apparently sheeping of marv is something that has popped up in my previous game, as well. I apparently put to much trust in him, which is something I should clearly stop doing. But yeah, me being buddy-buddy with marv is something that I believe mementoss can tell you isn't anything new. My thoughts regarding Shady at the time were: I don't really think his lurking is indicative of anything (it was off his town AND scum metas) but I wouldn't mind him being out of the game. Same for Node, in my experience, except his lurking is apparently an aspect of BOTH his town and scum metas. Keep in mind, I still didn't understand what made Node exceptionally scummy, and I'm still relatively unsure. So, I decided to first vote for the person that I didn't see a questionable wagon for. I felt more comfortable voting for Shady. After sitting there, thinking about it for apparently a half hour, I decided that I'd rather be stuck with Shady's replacement than Node. At the time, Shady really looked like he was going to be replaced, and I've seen some good stuff out of Thrawn2112. If you want to know why I didn't want to be around in lylo/mylo with Node, check out DN mafia. He apparently had the correct scumread the final day, but because he didn't post it until the final half hour or so we ended up losing. I'm not a fan of losing. As for my Node read, he was someone I was still unsure of. "The timestamp remark" was the centerpiece to everything that I said. I'm continuing to think of him, but I really wanted to see what the major proponents behind his lynch had to say. You say that I was targeting Node extensively, but I had the one unsure post AFTER the lynch failed that I felt contained the best reasoning for lynching him. I've been thinking about it for a while, and I don't know what scum-fuba would gain from this aside from drawing attention to himself. Like, it doesn't gain town-cred, it didn't get town lynched, and it certainly doesn't make me appear competent. Anyway, I certainly wasn't the greatest advocate of the Node lynch, though at the time I posted the wall of text you quoted I probably would have voted for him. I was actually ready to do so when D1 started, but all of the stuff involving marv not only made me put my vote on him immediately (what a shocker), but it also made me question the Node lynch. annul pointed out that the lynch might have been headed by scum, and it turns out he was in some way correct. It took me an eternity to be convinced that Node had done anything scummy, and finding scum at the head of the bandwagon made me question my interpretation. The fact that I ask for confirmation or corrections and they go unanswered also makes me unsure. That's not some kind of deflection onto everyone else, I'm probably just horrible at making it clear when I want something answered, and not assertive enough to actually get anyone to respond to me. Pretty much everything I say is ignored until someone wants to point it out as scummy, so my confidence in scumreads is pretty low. My post about VE was the first one where I felt that I'd found something significant that no one else had really mentioned before (except dead annul), so that post I will be sure to follow up on. So, did anyone actually read what I wrote about VE? What did you think about it? Anyone? @austinmcc Is Node still a strong scumread for you? Has marv's impending flip affected your view at all? | ||
marvellosity
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mkfuba07
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On October 04 2012 06:50 Z-BosoN wrote: Kei, I don't get why scum would want to claim RB. I think he claimed RB because he did, in fact, get RB and doesn't want an angry roleblocker on his ass. So, we got 2 vigi shots, and 2 mafia shots accounted for? mafia on BC and ... austin? and vigis on kingjames01 and annul. If that's correct, probably all shots went through and my VE got roleblocked and thus didn't kill supposition is wrong. Unless... austin is lying just so the angry roleblocker doesn't push VE or whoever else might have gotten roleblock as well? Hm... Carry on How does this make him not scum? Scum should feel compelled to claim just as much as town should... | ||
mkfuba07
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On October 04 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote: if you write in bold, people are sure to pay attention. So very cute. Quiet, rabble. | ||
VisceraEyes
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
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On October 04 2012 06:51 mkfuba07 wrote: [/b]Node is scum because node is scummy on his own merit. Node being scum had nothing to do with marv.@austinmcc Is Node still a strong scumread for you? Has marv's impending flip affected your view at all? We can draw SOME connections from Marv's play, but also, at least in the game I played with him, marv was quite bus-happy. I'm still sold on node as scum. Nothing's happened to change my mind. | ||
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kushm4sta
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DarthPunk
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Kreb
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On October 04 2012 06:50 Z-BosoN wrote: Kei, I don't get why scum would want to claim RB. I think he claimed RB because he did, in fact, get RB and doesn't want an angry roleblocker on his ass. So, we got 2 vigi shots, and 2 mafia shots accounted for? mafia on BC and ... austin? and vigis on kingjames01 and annul. If that's correct, probably all shots went through and my VE got roleblocked and thus didn't kill supposition is wrong. Unless... austin is lying just so the angry roleblocker doesn't push VE or whoever else might have gotten roleblock as well? Hm... Carry on I can see one reason to target austin though: Killing austin (supposing he is town) would possibly kill any support for the idea that the Node case was mafia-fabricated/fuelled. Because there would be no clear purpose to why mafia would have pushed it then. Maybe thats far-fetched, but its a thought anyway. Still thinking the whole idea with both a medic and vigi/mafia targetting austin seems strange though. Could austin be a veteran-role instead and claiming medic-save to confuse mafia? Or is there any other reason why a town-role would fake claim something like that? Or, of course, he is straight up lying and is scum. That said, while I dont mind the recent low quality discussion too much since its more than 4 days until next "real" lynch, I think people are spending a bit too much effort speculating on setup. Even if there are 3 medics, so what? That doesnt give us anything. | ||
Kreb
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On October 04 2012 06:51 mkfuba07 wrote: [b]So, did anyone actually read what I wrote about VE? What did you think about it? Anyone? Well, a good 5+ have expressed suspicions of VE so far. I dont think we all need to go and quote each other saying we agree. The ball is in his court, lets wait and see if he has anything to say. | ||
VisceraEyes
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On October 04 2012 08:12 Kreb wrote: Well, a good 5+ have expressed suspicions of VE so far. I dont think we all need to go and quote each other saying we agree. The ball is in his court, lets wait and see if he has anything to say. Please, by all means. Bring it on. I haven't done anything wrong except be wrong. That doesn't mean I'm scum. It means I'm bad at the game. At least 75% of the players in this game knew that already. :/ | ||
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