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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 12:39 GMT
#874
In my eyes you are but a shadowless wisp of life, condemned to whither away into a lonely void, unwanted - and unloved.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 12:46 GMT
#879
Kreb, a lot of ppl called those players out, including myself (not-including shady sands). I think that's pretty much a null tell
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 13:18 GMT
#883
Kreb, I don't see why that makes him scum. Its interesting, though, how he said "me and marv" and ignored poor BC and some other possible scumhunting geniouses I'm unaware of.
Fine, marv. You are a cute and snuggly wisp of life
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 13:44 GMT
#891
On October 03 2012 08:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 07:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
For those still looking or interested
Game I am referencing



Had a quick peek at the playerlist out of curiosity. Seeing syllogism lynched day 2 was a bit of a shock to my system, heh

Also, lol @ the irony
Poor marv
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 14:38 GMT
#905
So austin Is pretty much claiming veteran?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:29 GMT
#913
On October 03 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:20 Mementoss wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot.


How do you know this? If its not beneficial to me or the town don't answer.

Lol marv

##Vote: Marvellosity

Because I got a pm that said so.


I have trouble believing this. Why on earth would anyone protect you?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:57 GMT
#932
omfg lol @ coag.
Here's to never taking him seriously ever again
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 16:06 GMT
#938
On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
omfg lol @ coag.
Here's to never taking him seriously ever again


lol butt hurt townie detected.

You will be ok big boy walk it off.


How do you know I'm townie, sir?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 16:09 GMT
#940
On October 04 2012 01:07 Coagulation wrote:
Is the bandwagon because of risen dropping a massive wifom bomb before he died?

Like... really?

When im scum I always shoot the stupid fucker saying "IF I DIE KILL THIS TOWNIE" cause of idiot bandwagons like this.

throw all that out the window cause marv starts playing scummy as fuck in response to the pressure so whatever.

lololololol
there there

On October 03 2012 22:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 22:23 iamperfection wrote:
Wait i don't get why is marv confirmed scum. Hes acting like it now but why was he forced to give up basically?


Risen protected me and his role is that if he protects mafia he dies

Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 16:15 GMT
#946
On October 04 2012 01:12 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 01:06 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
omfg lol @ coag.
Here's to never taking him seriously ever again


lol butt hurt townie detected.

You will be ok big boy walk it off.


How do you know I'm townie, sir?


RUKIDDING?
you all bent out of shape and huffing and puffing over me like your holding a most fucking unbearable indignation and personal vandeta against me for calling you scum earlier. LOL

I see this shit every game.


A bit defensive are we? Visceraeyes once told me that scum got all defensive when called out.
That must mean you are scum.
Plus, marv told me to shhhhhh that must mean that he didn't want everyone to know you are scum.
Sup scum
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 16:18 GMT
#950
On October 04 2012 01:14 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:20 Mementoss wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot.


How do you know this? If its not beneficial to me or the town don't answer.

Lol marv

##Vote: Marvellosity

Because I got a pm that said so.


I have trouble believing this. Why on earth would anyone protect you?

Because I'm town? Because they think I'm town? Because I put a bunch of work into this game N1? Because they agreed with my reads? Because their role is austinmcc-protector? Because they loved the play I wrote?

I dunno, ask them.

Them, please tell me why austin would come even close to being a good medic save?
No, but seriously. You were being pegged as scum. Hard to think scum would choose to shoot you over someone else.
Even harder to think that a medic would have saved you. The only plausible reason someone could have "saved" you were if they jailed you.
Are you sure you got hit or did you just get saved? Because if you got hit, the only plausible explanation is that a vig shot you AND a jk protected you. Other than that, scum is feeling super confident and deciding to eliminate the most scummy looking players.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#981
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 21:00 GMT
#1019
On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??


Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig)

We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv.

We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think.


My issue is not the amount of kp. My issue is there being 3 medics. The claims all indicate that there is 3 medics, and not only that, but one of them decided to actually save austin, and not only that, but someone actually decided to shoot austin. Austin. Who was under some scrutiny on day 1. Austin. Seriously?

Either that or he's lying.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 21:08 GMT
#1022
On October 04 2012 06:06 kushm4sta wrote:
austin has made some good posts IMO look at his filter.

No, he's made long posts you were too lazy to read.
Regardless, he was also a lynch candidate.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 21:12 GMT
#1025
I'm not pissed. I'm confused that you were protected. See, BC, a strong town player being protected is one thing. You (you), scummy player under fire, is not.

I mentioned Node because I agreed with him.

Actually im jk. I mention all of my scum friends and agree with them.
Go write plays, it suits you better.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 21:50 GMT
#1046
Kei, I don't get why scum would want to claim RB.

I think he claimed RB because he did, in fact, get RB and doesn't want an angry roleblocker on his ass.

So, we got 2 vigi shots, and 2 mafia shots accounted for?
mafia on BC and ... austin?
and vigis on kingjames01 and annul.

If that's correct, probably all shots went through and my VE got roleblocked and thus didn't kill supposition is wrong.

Unless... austin is lying just so the angry roleblocker doesn't push VE or whoever else might have gotten roleblock as well? Hm...

Carry on
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 04 2012 02:55 GMT
#1114
On October 04 2012 11:32 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:07 ShiaoPi wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:05 ToutEstChaos wrote:
Read thread plox

cool story bro


Extremely cool, because it means you're scum.

ShiaoPi is an analytical player whose ability to post cases isn't great, but he thinks a lot about the game and reads the thread extensively. Even for a normal player, though, the kind of slip-up ShiaoPi made is unusual-- it means that at the time he made this post, he hadn't extensively read the thread since the day-post, or hadn't thought about it clearly. This is not useful to town and not what ShiaoPi or anyone does.

His statement:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
There is still KP missing I think.
Risen was not shot by scum (see marv's reaction lol)
I have a hard time believing that both KJ and annul got shot by scum, much more likely that at least one of them ate a vigshot.
Austin got shot and was saved.

So that makes it a total of 3 shots, assuming a vigshot on KJ/annul there is one more mafia KP around unaccounted for (at least if this game more or less follows the pattern of other big games)


isn't unusually stupid or anything-- but it doesn't follow a pattern of logic a townie would use. When he speculates about the night kills (showing a night-oriented mindset), he thinks mafia has 3 KP. Even if this is reasonable, it's set-up speculation on D2, and it's not pushing us in the right direction.

I didn't get totally on him because I wanted to see what he'd do after the FoS, and that was this:

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 02:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
okay I am heading to bed now, sharing this before I do so:

mkfuba07:
First thing that struck me was the timing of the early game movements fuba did with marv. This + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch.

Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them.

My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.

I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause.

is awfully close to + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Your point on austin is way better though, BC There are a couple of things about austin:

- he gives way too much thought and time to setup speculation and shenannies and can go off on tangents.

So with that alone I wouldn't find him banging on about spy that relevant, except for two things (which you mention)

- the fact that it specifies pretty damn clearly in the OP that all available role names are known to us
- that's all he's talked about having been absent for a long time.

If you're gonna derp around talking about setup and spy lololol you'd imagine you'd at least fucking read the setup first. Gonna give his filter another look. Anyway I'm gonna unvote kj for now

##unvote


Only half an hour passes and fuba is here: + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote:
What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 00:29 austinmcc wrote:
Man I missed a fun night.

On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote:
I voted for shady because he called me a troll.
There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me.

Also I'm not a fan of his content.

Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think we should lynch BM24...
On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote:
game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way


You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago.

Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused...



While his vote comes later at around 8:30 timestamp, keep this in mind for the bigger picture.

Now to his voting behaviour closer to lynch

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 12:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote

Austin's posts since returning have made me throw that vote out the window.

As for Node's posting frequency, I don't see that as much different than his behavior in DN mafia... Does he normally contribute more? As for his content, I see the slight "lie" but I can see no reason to intentionally "lie" like that as scum. What would he gain?

Of the two on the block right now, I'd rather vote for Shady. As I said before, I'm not naturally inclined to vote for him D1, but I don't want to vote for someone who I haven't seen anything scummy from. While I didn't see his excuse for trolling as terribly scummy, and I believe his absence could be explained somehow, the fact that he hasn't done it or actively participated in any way since his last post makes me want him gone.

##Vote Shady Sands


He now is content with a shady lynch before switching it up again after half an hour + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 13:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Ugh, this is driving me crazy. I'm not a huge fan of any of the possibilities...

I'm going to change my vote again. If we can get a better replacement for Shady I think keeping him in is going to be better than keeping Node in. I got completely screwed in DN Mafia because it was down to Node, myself, another pretty inactive player, and scum marv, and there was no discussion. I don't want to be in that situation again.

Not sure if this will do anything, but:

##Unvote
##Vote Node



Now why the hell does he bank on a modkill (that like in 99% of the cases does not come) and tries to lynch node again? Feels a lot like confusing town and disrupting us in the crucial timeperiod around lynch.

After the lynch he gets asked about an update on Node and he gives out this: + Show Spoiler +
On October 03 2012 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 04:30 austinmcc wrote:
mkfuba, what is your read on Node? How do you view annul's actions before the lynch?
I'm still feeling really stupid for not being able to understand what's so scummy about Node's defense of Shady. There were plenty of good players voting for Node, and as town OR scum I don't see them voting for someone for stupid reasons. Despite what you've said before, I have been reading the thread. My reading comprehension being as crappy as it is, I can't pinpoint what makes his defense scummy. Did scum Node gain something from lying in his defense of Shady? Or was it just that he appeared to not be reading the thread, and is trying to participate with a minimum of effort/gaining some town-cred for defending town-Shady? Or something else entirely that I haven't considered because I'm bad at this game?

...(checking through filters)...

...And now, having more closely checked the the timestamps, which I incorrectly read last time, Node's jumped up quite a bit in scumminess. When I looked the first time, I missed the fact that the two posts (shady's last post where he actually made a read at all, and Node's defense) were on different days. I thought Node's happened within hours of Shady's FoS on kush, so I didn't really see it as too absurd for him to say that Shady had been pushing targets. I think I now understand why the defense was scummy (and I feel like a dumbass for not being able to read). Shady did nothing to warrant defending him, and the fact that Node defended him, with evidence that was the opposite of the truth, is strange. The fact that Node seemed to have reasons to find Shady town when the evidence he provides is contrived makes me think that he had another reason to believe Shady to be town that he didn't want to mention. Thus, Node seems scummy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this feels right to me.


Basically you can sum it up as "I dunno, he seems scummy" It's a great wall of fluff besides the timestamp remark. Keeps pushing node and throws annul into the mix as scum as well for being against the node lynch. Now after the nightphase resolves and marv is as good as confirmed scum through his reactions he goes after VE. While I can understand it (having made suspicions on VE as well) it feels quite sudden. No mentions of VE earlier and no more mentioning of Node. He also occasionally calls mementoss out (which is pretty easy to do anyway).

Summarizing:
I think there is a decent chance for fuba to flip scum, reasoning: fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play, continued to try to push for Node but as soon as marv gets outed he switches onto VE with no more mentioning of Node, whom he previously had targeted quite extensively.
What happened to your Node read fuba?



On another note, BKE, what have you been doing all game long? Who is your highest read besides the no-brainer vote on marv?


Although I give ShiaoPi credit for writing something, overall this is bad. Assuming, for example, that because mkfuba07 and marvellosity posted similar things at similar times they are scum together, is like super bad. Sure, maybe they were talking about it in their scum QT together and happened to post at the same time, but that sort of interaction in scum QTs (in my experience) typically delineates explicitly who will say what. Townies (or a townie and a scum) often say shit at the same time that means the same thing. Think about it: how many times have you been "ninjaed" in a mafia game by someone and one of you was town?

The next it of ShiaoPi's case rests on the fact that mkfuba changed his mind a few times without making a huge amount of sense. He said this is "confusing town", but really, anyone who's played with mkfuba (and similarly incompetent players) know that this is in fact "confused townie".

One part of ShiaoPi's case does in fact point out scummy stuff that mkfuba does: his node read is inconsistent later on, and he pushes it half-heartedly. This is fair point, and also the right point to end a case on if the other points are weak, made up crap that scum use to fluff out their post count. Granted, it's also chronologically the last point so it makes sense to go there, but the fact of the matter is, it is what it is.

This line in particular jumps out at me as poor reasoning:
>fuba was more or less following marv during day 1 play,

This is not what scum does to other scum. Come on, you've all played scum. This wasn't a scum fuba following scum marv. Look at Marv's previous scumgames. He wouldn't let shit like that happen. This is a scared town fuba in a big game deciding to attach his lips to the ass of the strongest, biggest, most familiar vet he could find: Marv.

ShiaoPi, you continue to fail to impress,
and since I've called you out you've posted even less.
Unless you want to be vigied at best
you should respond properly to this ##FoS

This seems pretty legit. I've played with shiaopi in LVII and it was a totally different ball game. He was low and quiet during most of the game and finished it with brilliant dead-on reads. I agree with our french (smurf?) friend that his line of reasoning is extremely weak and forced compared to his LVII play.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 04 2012 02:56 GMT
#1115
On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 11:31 slOosh wrote:
Ah I see. It's scary when you do it without explaining like you now did because you might be doing some high level scum play given your reputation.

Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn.


Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis.

I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made

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On October 04 2012 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
im so town though


This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me.

However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same.

I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it.


That's him as townie, and that's him as scum. Unfortunately it's either vig or policy lynch for him.
I think he fits his town meta a bit more then his scum meta, but I could be wrong here. Would be nice if someone who's played witih him, such as kreb (I think?) could attest to this.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 04 2012 03:16 GMT
#1124
On October 04 2012 12:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Up to Page 48. I am pretty bummed marv decided to Troll/WIFOM/Shit up the thread so badly. It makes this much more arduous a task.




Sup! It's like you are back from the dead.
He's playing to his wincon =/
How's mkfuba looking compared to his XXIV?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 04 2012 16:18 GMT
#1182
SlOosh
I've noted some discrepancies in mr. Sloosh's play here.
Let's do this.
First thing he says:
On October 01 2012 06:15 slOosh wrote:
This is the most upsetting start to a game I've played. So I'm gonna lay some ground rules because people are playing in a way that they shirk responsibilities with their actions / words.

Biggest thing is stop saying "I wanna lynch player X what do you think?". There is no back up analysis, and it allows people to toss out names at random. You think someone is scum, back it up. Don't say "seems scummy maybe". It lets people sow seeds of suspicion and it makes mislynches more untraceable.


Shady's vote makes no sense as VE pointed out. In fact the whole thing doesn't make sense, including how he has already started making connective tells on Kush based on Z-Boson. But it seems just as explainable by a combination of poor play / leftover emotions from TL-LVII. I'd wait to see what he can produce (case wise or whatnot) since arguing whether acting like a troll to incite a mod warning isn't conclusive to determining alignment.

VE I don't see your issue with annul - or are you doing one of those reaction things because its leaning on the destructive side right now.


He seems rather confident in this post. He wants people to be assertive about their reads. However, this later comes out as an extremely fluffy "I care about town" post, because look at his next post.

On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.

With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.

The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.

##Vote: Shady Sands


I see this as extremely dull, compared to the tone he set in the introduction post. I'd rather lynch him then him, this feels weird, etc... I don't buy his explanation. This goes on to repeat itself:

On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 12:36 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote:
Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady.

With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched.

The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former.

##Vote: Shady Sands

Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy?

Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady.


While he gives a brief description later in the post as to why he's agreeing, this seems like a pathetic excuse to lynch Shady. "Node's lynch was strange, he is scummy, and that makes me want to lynch Shady". I can just not be seeing it, but please clarify what the hell are your reasons for voting shady.
Regardless, this is also a rather weak tone.

The rest of his game, however, seems consistent with his original view. I just find this slight break in it rather weird. Especially when we contrast this to him in [url = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=53783]LVII[/url].
Even though he was 3rd party, he was a pretty freakin townie one. His reads were much more assertive and he didn't fret with "I feel this" or "I feel that".
I've noted some differences in his play and his initial post seemed like an uncharacteristic fluff. For those of you who have played with him, how does his play so far compare?
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