Rockband Mini Mafia

On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:

Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down.

I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.

As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in.

Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.

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austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now.

Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him.

marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game.

We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.

On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:

people that defend me frighten me.

On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.

Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.

@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?

List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.

On September 18 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:

people that defend me frighten me.

On September 18 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:


Confirms my post above. No scum would say this.

On September 19 2012 00:57 HiroPro wrote:
k, Palmar is scum. hapa probably is too. Not because of Zeph's case though lol.

On September 19 2012 01:47 Palmar wrote:


Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on?

screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later

##vote marvellosity

On September 19 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar

fuck you

On September 19 2012 01:08 prplhz wrote:

I don't really know. Contrary to popular beliefs, being the centre of attention for a little while doesn't entail a plentitude of scum reads. I guess I want to kill Ange777 but I don't really know why. The day is young though.

I'm curious about your austinmcc read I felt that this post was pretty townie it seems like he's putting some thought into the game about my alignment. What you think? You seem to be pretty sure of him being scum and I was too until that post so I'm wondering what changed my mind but didn't change yours.

On September 19 2012 01:23 prplhz wrote:
HiroPro we're not lynching Palmar on day1 on anything other than a scum claim end of story. I'm sure you can see why so find something else to do with your time.

On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis!

prplhz
Blazinghand
Palmar
iamperfection
Hapahauli
Mementoss

Gonna go read more filters.

On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote:
hapa too good

##Vote marvellosity

On September 19 2012 04:31 marvellosity wrote:


Lecturing me has a provenly high success rate of altering how I play.

By 'provenly high' I mean absolutely zero. If you think I'm scum, vote me, if you don't, don't tell me how to play. And I mean this as politely as possible.

On September 19 2012 02:25 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

-snip-

Why do you find Hiro's point compelling if you think he's mafia? You had your vote firmly on him at this point, and I don't understand why you'd be all of a sudden so willing to listen to, what appears to me as a weak observation about Palmar?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1.

On September 19 2012 17:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Also Palmar if Marv is scum I would like to lynch him quite a bit-- he can be extraordinarily dangerous. You promised an explanation later-- I'll be awake for a bit. What's your case?

On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote:
hey guys

please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read

there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is?

On September 18 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:

A useless fact accompanied by an unrelated quote. I hope you're going to try to be more easy to understand from now on so chumps like me can follow your thought process too.

On September 18 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote:
their*

So I am lying or what? I mean, I am not lying unless you think I am perfectly aware who mkfuba07 is yet claims not to be, is that the case?

Maybe you can actually explain to me who he is instead of coming up with a silly list that's readily available to me as well if I just go into his profile. I can do that on my own thank you very much.

On September 18 2012 06:33 prplhz wrote:

I think that's a pretty shabby idea. Why do you want to lynch randomly and how did you decide randomly upon marvellosity?

On September 18 2012 06:47 prplhz wrote:

And how exactly do you know whether it was random or not?

On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:

Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down.

I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy.

As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in.

Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.

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austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now.

Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him.

marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game.

We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.

On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.

Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.

@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?

List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.

On September 18 2012 08:58 prplhz wrote:

You are too kind.

On September 18 2012 20:58 prplhz wrote:

funny how you think i read that game

On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:

I think that Mementoss is town. I skimmed a few of his previous games (they're all conveniently in his profile and that's pretty nifty I gotta say) and I think his play looks a lot more like his town play than his scum play. Would not lynch. I thought austinmcc looked scummy but I think that his explanation for the "TOO OBVIOUS" thing looked pretty townie and I liked it a lot so I'm null/town on him.



I'm not a big spammer. Asking what people generally think of someone is just something to talk about. It was very literally 3 posts into the game and the two posts before that were not exactly something I could get any content out of.

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I don't think I'm sheeping Palmar on marvellosity (and I don't think that really matters anyway but some people seem to make a big deal out of it). The reason I am voting marvellosity is that while he said he'd post less and be more thinky this doesn't excuse him from contributing and probably in a comparable way to how he usually plays. He wants to refine his play and maybe cut out some of the "fk u" posts that's great but people don't change their play to be more scummy because that's just dumb. I don't think his decreased activity has been offset by the increased thinkitivity and that unsettles me.

The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. This befuddled me a bit because I'm a slow thinker and admittedly, seeing that a towny looking Palmar saw the same thing as me made me feel more strongly about it. Actually so strongly about it that I voted marvellosity. I don't think that marvellosity has started looking better since then, actually he is looking pretty bad. The straight up OMGUS is something I imagine a scum marvellosity to be capable of so I have to consider, is it a townie move or not? No it's not, the straight up OMGUS was a stupid move. I have no idea why marvellosity is so upset but I think it's because he has been figured out. I dont' see any townie motivation for it at all and how he's tried to explain it so far (Palmar should know better) doesn't convince me. Actually, if marvellosity really thinks that Palmar should know better then why doesn't he think that Palmar is scum and vote him? Instead he's going for an arguably easier day1 target in me.

I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate.

On September 18 2012 22:19 marvellosity wrote:


BH has pretty much echoed my thoughts on Zephirdd's case on Hapahauli. It's not good at all and as pointed out by Hapa himself contains multiple misrepresentations (over the top/scummy kept coming up and that's just basic reading comprehension).

Further, the part of the case that I've just quoted makes almost no sense to me whatsoever. In the quote Zeph provides, where does Hapa say that prplhz is playing badly? He's saying he didn't like BH's case. A town player can very well know when another player is playing badly. For example, Zephirdd, you are playing badly whether you are town or scum.

The entire case is built on stretches and misrepresentations.

I would also like to talk about the retarded 'Zephirdd rule'. Let's break it down in essence - the first time someone says something stupid/bad/scummy, the first person to jump on it is scum. What does this actually mean? Town is supposed to let the first dumbass comment slide and only comment on the SECOND person being a dumbass/scummy? The whole rule basically proposes that the first person to be bad should be left untouched.

I also think that he's using this rule as an excuse to make a case without actually having to think about what's gone on in the thread properly. He's spotted something that adheres to his 'rule' and has then fabricated the rest of the case out of nothing.

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Shame goodkarma is replacing out. His first post was scummy as hell. Not the general wishywashyness/not voting, but the fact that he was willing to talk about policy/trolling. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on his replacement. Look at this:



The thread has already generated a scumread for GK, but for some reason he's derailing into policy discussion. Look at what he says - policy discussion is far more productive than the direction this game has gone. But look at how this game has gone. This might be the most productive Day 1 I've ever seen. Why is he complaining about it?

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As per usual I don't get BL's case on Mementoss. It looks like he's posting a load of unalignment indicative things and going "look! scum!". I'm pretty nullish on Mementoss right now.

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With the high activity of some portions of the town, I think there's gonna be at least 1 scum sitting back and enjoying the show. At the moment this leaves me with mfkuba, Ange777, and HiroPro. I know fuba from outside of TL Mafia and at the moment I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he posts more. Ange just seems to be getting involved in the discussion, so fine. At the moment I'm looking at HiroPro.

Distinctly from the other two, he's actually been around posting, except what he's been posting is minimal and effortless. He voted for goodkarma but with barely an elaboration (I elaborated more above and that was just in passing). Other than that, he's posted a few times, but actually done nothing at all.

##Vote: HiroPro

On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:
I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate.

On September 19 2012 21:43 Palmar wrote:
I'm not applying meta, I'm applying what's logical to do. There's only two options that make sense from a townie point of view when presented with an accusation like mine. One is to think I'm scum and present a case towards that end, or the other is to think I'm town and wrong, and in that case raging at me doesn't make much sense, should rather just go do something useful.

I think you fucked up, and I think you've proven you're scum.

On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote:
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.

For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.

To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town.

On September 20 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote:
I'm already hating it. Why is Ange777 quoting my very first post, some would even argue the very first post of the game and then calling it fluff? That's grasping for any little fucking thing you can find and it makes you look desperate. This doesn't have a lot to do with your case, it's a bad argument but meh, I just don't understand why people write big dumb text wall PBPA and then include every little dumb thing. Do you seriously think that this post is clearly more scummy than townie? No you don't because allegedly you have brain so use it.

So what if I didn't scum hunt enough for your taste? Tons of other scum hunted less than me because I scum hunted quite a bit, I just mostly found townies which I think is pretty good. Thinking that half the game is >90% sure townies is a pretty good thing for a townie because then he can focus on the baddies. I am giving you my reads you can't expect people to just catch scum. In either case I'm feeling really good about marvellosity and I already told you why and we'll get to that later. It's kind of ironic that you complain about my lack of scum hunting in the same post that you complain about the scum hunting I'm doing.

As for how being the center of attention makes it more easy to scum hunt, that might actually be your opinion but I'm spending waaaaaaaaay too much time responding to shit like this instead of scum hunting. I also don't think that knowing your own alignment and how people react to it is necessarily something that makes it easier to scum hunt because you have to evaluate whether or not what you say is townie if you are being attacked, and the same thing when other people are being attacked you need to evaluate whether or not what they say is townie. Just look at this massive text wall took me ages to write and I'm not even done because there are at least two other people who have voted me for bad reasons since then.

Are you for real? Let me analyse this argument to expose how utterly ridiculous it is:

prplhz is scum and because of that he is lazy.
prplhz sees a post and decides that he does not want to read this single post out of the entire game.
prplhz decides that the best thing to do is to write a post in the thread about how he's not reading this post.

If you don't see how ridiculous this is then I don't know what the fuck. It's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start holy fuck I gotta move on because I am getting so mad.

Okay I calmed down a bit. It's wrong because lazy doesn't mean scum by default and she doesn't argue that it has to mean scum here. Whatever. It's wrong because she's claiming that my lazyness has brought me to not reading this single post, which constitutes I'd say about 0.1% of the thread but whatever. I'd say that lazyness would probably more result in someone skimming the thread and not just skipping stuff. Alright. It is wrong because no scum would think it a good idea to announce in the thread that they're not reading it, when they can just....... not announce it in the thread lol and then read it if they have to or claim that they forgot or whatever the fuck. The scum motivation for this post is infinitesimal compared to how much flak you can instantly catch for admitting not reading the thread. Whatever you guys are dumb if you didn't already realize this.

This argument is so irrationally that I don't know what.

Anyway, I did read his post I just think that the Kenpachi Rule Extended is bullshit so I was discouraging further use of it. I didn't want Zephirdd to hide behind a dumb rule that I think is a null tell for the entire game (or even for a day).

So what? You are grasping for straws and it's looking ridiculous to be honest. If you need to make a case then drop the irrelevant parts or at least put them in a spoiler and mark it "TOTALLY IRRELEVANT". Two posts are useless jokey posts? So what?

I already explained why I don't think so. Palmar was reading up on the thread and posting (some would say spamming) quite a bit, it looked like he was just posting whatever was on his mind while catching up on the thread. It was 20 hours into the game and there were no serious lynch candidates around. Townie Palmar also just says whatever the fuck he wants (I remember a game where he fake claimed day vigilante and threatened another dude who happened to actually be a day vigilante and then he flipped out and shot somebody just because Palmar was buddying with him, pretty hilarious and shows how Palmar plays; he just plays) and we weren't in a situation where we had to focus because we had plenty of time before deadline. Palmar also has really good first impressions and day1 reads. It was all too dumb to say that he was scum because he spoke his mind about what he saw in the thread and there are plenty of reasons for that for someone who is competent as marvellosity is.

marvellosity can do the OMGUS as town or scum but I consider it more likely that he does it as scum because it's not a town move. The OMGUS served just to make him look bad which is generally not something scum do but it's over the top and dumb when he can just argue. Why is he flipping out like that just because some dude said "u scum m8" instead of keeping his cool?

On September 20 2012 03:45 iamperfection wrote:
I will follow the two guys I think are town.
## unvote
## vote austinmcc

On September 19 2012 11:44 iamperfection wrote:
So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town.

On September 20 2012 04:26 iamperfection wrote:
It seems pretty reasonable to me I'm usable not unrobe when I think someone is town. So why wouldnt I.

On September 20 2012 04:00 Ange777 wrote:
Nonetheless I still think that the case Palmar made on marv is weak. + Show Spoiler +

I have already stated that I don't get the feeling that marv's posting has changed a lot after the Palmar/marv discussion. And claiming that marv was discouraging you from giving your scum reads is a huge stretch. All he asked for was an explanation for your reads, you are totally misrepresenting the facts!

And by the way, I too am unsatisfied with the way you are presenting your reads. I have asked for explanations over and over again and you have been ignoring them over and over again. Would you mind to elaborate your thought process? Why is it that people are praising your play when all I have encountered is a very unhelpful Palmar not willing to share his reasonings? How is that town-friendly?

On September 20 2012 04:43 Palmar wrote:
Fuck it. I'm off for a bit.

I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later.

On September 20 2012 04:47 iamperfection wrote:

You know me to well. I meant to say it is reasonable for me to follow my town reads because they are usually right

On September 19 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
austin: yeah, I think I most of all want to lynch austin. Some of it's gonna be a rehash, but it's important for the whole thing. The reason people jumped on austin in the first place:



Pretty much generally agreed that this was scummy, so won't delve too much. Where shit starts to diverge is on the response, which people read as townie. There's important time issues to look at. BlazingHand first pushes him to elaborate on it, and we get this as a response:



Pudding blabla not satisfactory at all. His 'townie' explanation that follows only comes after me, Hapa, and BH apply further considerable pressure.



It's not a bad explanation as it goes, and I can see why people viewed it as townie. But the fact is that it only came after his previous, poor explanation. In other words, he had to give a good explanation because he knew a large part of town was hounding him for it. In this context, I believe it loses some of its 'townieness'. I bold the final line as well for a reason. Obvious was the wrong word choice, eh? Look at how austin usually posts - longwinded, carefully thought out. Yet in this instance he'd thrown out his 'obvious' and 'too damning'. It looks like austin is justifying his scummy words after the fact.

austin has a few posts subsequently, but they are all focused on his own defence rather than any other scumhunting. Why is he so worried about how others view his defence? Why is he only talking about his own defence rather than being proactive elsewhere? Because he's worried that he needs to appear as town.

After these posts, austin has been markedly absent from any of the considerable goings-on in this thread. We don't have an opinion on anyone or anything, except his own defence. His play is marked by being worried by how he appears, rather than finding scum.

##Vote: austinmcc

On September 19 2012 20:28 Ange777 wrote:


So when is it "later"? How do you want to convince us into lynching your allegedly top scum read when you yourself have reservations you are not willing to share with us?

On September 20 2012 05:15 Ange777 wrote:
Why does him posting a very poor first explanation before delivering a satisfying reasoning for his behaviour makes him lose "townieness"? Shouldn't the fact that he made such a bad explanation make him more townie as apparentely he was not worried about defending himself when he first made that post?

On September 20 2012 05:23 iamperfection wrote:

I did you didn't like the explanation. And I'm starting to not like my explanation

On September 20 2012 05:30 marvellosity wrote:


You'll have to explain to me why giving a weak explanation on a weak comment makes him townie, Ange. My train of thought was that he was waffling in his defence to the post, hoping to brush it under the carpet, instead of straight out explaining why he made the vote in the first place. The fact that he needed to be further pressured to clarify his comment makes him lose townieness, because by this point he is forced to make a good explanation or face being lynched.

That said, austin's concerns on my company on him are legitimate. iamperfection is giving absolutely no reasoning, and he completely correct that I asked fuba for thoughts on austin, WHO HE IS FUCKNIG VOTING, and he gave me thoughts on Mementoss instead. Arg.

On September 20 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote:
yea marv is best lynch today

also can you tell me why you made a bullshit biased case on me instead of actually saying why the fuck you think i'm scum. the whole thing reeks of "he's scum so i'm just going to read his filter and find random shit and spin it scum", why didn't you just do that with someone else but me? it's just too irrational and i fucking hate it because i can't read this kind of tunneling. like, blazing is legit, but i have no idea about you.

if you say i'm scum because i'm ignoring your "share your scum reads hurr" then i'm going to ignore you for the rest of the game.

On September 20 2012 05:30 prplhz wrote:

replied to it earlier when marv asked me, i don't like how nobody else is voting marv but it's a minor thing and i'm pretty much at peace with that. he's still best lynch etc.

maybe i should mindlessly call you scum for not reading the thread. i mean at least i have proof of you not reading while you only have my word for it that i didn't read the thread and you can't scum now can you? maybe i should not just read scum into every single one of your posts because it's silly to think that scum are scummy in every post they make. yea i like the latter option better.

On September 20 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:


I was out until 20 minutes ago. I though people wouldn't be this fucking stupid and voting Prplhz when meta evidence was the polar opposite.

On September 20 2012 06:26 iamperfection wrote:

Why did you think it was wierd that i was changing my vote?

On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.

On September 20 2012 05:57 Ange777 wrote:
So you are confirming Hapa's mason claim?

On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote:
Why are you ninja voting iamperfection???

On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting

On September 21 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:
I think Ange777 is scum for a couple reasons.



The smilely face opener, looking to look innocent, consistent with Ange777 scum meta. Probably won't make sense to any of you but I co-hosted Ange777 first game which she was scum and she opened similar, obviously she played a lot different otherwise cause didnt understand the game as much.
Analysis here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332805&currentpage=27#539

The amount of people calling Ange777 town for effort in day 1 is ridiculous. You can put in as much effort as scum as town. And I don't see Ange really doing that much to be honest. Mostly all of her filter is questions. Asking questions is good, but town motivation for asking questions is to make a follow up read and assessment of the answer, scum motivation for asking questions is because 1) its easy 2) it shows your reading the thread and 3) you can incriminate other people with the proper use of a question.

No point in me quoting it, but look through the filter, there is more questions than actual analysis or statements. So Ange is really just posting the questions without using the questions to further the analysis.

Here is anges first display of scum hunting, the first attempt of the prphlz case:



1st point is a soft form of OMGUS. You voted me? No explanation? Its not townie like, but no where angie explains why it makes him scum.
2nd point not wanting to lynch palmar day 1 is a pretty common opinion, but for some reason it makes prplhz scum. Again no explanation of scum motives.
3rd point townie list, no explanation why she thinks its scumm
4th point voting marv, no explanation why she thinks its scummy again.

This is the only indication ange thinks prplhz is scum, Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation. But its not really a thought out or extended explanation and again it was said by a lot of people earlier.

So overall, she took a target who was already under heat and summed up what everyone in the thread already pointed out, but never explained why she thought it was scummy.

Ange's second attempt at finding scum. But wait, its the same.... guy. What. She's basically shovelling the same shit over again. What is the point of doing this as town? Who are you trying to convince really? Prplhz was already the leader by 3 votes at this point, and you aren't bringing anything new to the table. The only motivation of doing this seems to me is scum motivation. Again, easy to fucking write up, trying to hard push the mislynch and no one will say anything because its the popular wagon atm, she doesn't want to have to make bad ties with anyone else this early in the game. Its fucking safe. She knows prplhz is going to get lynched, she doesn't want to make a case on someone else and stand out and possibly piss them off so they make another case on her. There is no reason to remake the case again on the leader of votes as town. There are 2-3 scum or a SK in this game, try hunting elsewhere, bring up new people.

I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary. Honestly if you spun this exact case the right way, it could be made against half the people in the game. Its not about scum motivation or scummy behaviour again, its based on what ange sees as non town like behaviour, or I wouldnt play like this as town behaviour. Pointing out things like fluff and town reads is all find and dandy, but why does it make him scum.

"I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him."

I found this pretty ironic, as 75% of anges filter is questions, and barely any are used to be analysed or actually assessed. They are just for the sake of being active and being townie. Town usually has a purpose in their mind behind the questions, scum already knows the answers and questions for them are just to look townie.

This is pretty ironic as well, as anges whole case on prplhz is that he is too lazy to hunt scum himself and is trying to get people to do the work for him.

This defense on austin is very weird and stuck out to me as soon as I read it. Just because you get more active, doesn't eliminate the fact that you have a post that was scummy. The fact that he posted a poor explanation to start can't make him more townie, it means he wasn't being honest and writing from his mind. He was writing to prove his innocence rather than just state what he was doing. If he couldn't do it the first time it means he had to actively think about his defense, something a town player posting openly wouldn't do. The fact that I think austinmcc is still scummy isn't helping out ange at all. This poor logic and jumble of words defending austin is really scummy to me. It feels forced.

Marv also pointed this out and anges second explanation is just as logically flawed as the first.

On September 20 2012 05:41 marvellosity wrote:


I can understand how it can be viewed both ways. But given the context of his whole play at the time, the only thing he'd done is post about 10 times on defending himself, and not at all at hunting scum.

Only scum would say this. Solely Trying to incriminate iamprefection with the question, when the answer was fucking obvious to anyone and everyone. The conflicting claims when one of them was obviously fake. And it wasn't a ninja vote since there is no voting thread and it was in plain sight.

Then there is the trying so hard to be emotional and surprised. Like honestly most of us were surprised, but ange is letting everyone KNOW how surprised she was. Why is this? Cause she already knew the result beforehand.

This isn't much but I think it was obvious that ange77 was going to make another case on the easy player, fuba. Most liekly mashing everything that was already mentioned in the thread all in one neat quote post. CONTRIIBUTINGGG.

Finally people are starting to take a closer look at palmar? What is this. People were mentioning palmars posts for a good part of day 1. This sentence is just trying to make yourself look good for mentioning you were "suspecting" palmar at one point.

Ange saying there is no town motivation for iamperfections play is just ridiculous and its actually the opposite. Ange is trying to incriminate him and put together a case against someone she doesn't find dangerous. Someone that won't come back and call her out. Someone that won't attempt to call her on her shit.

Town motivation for switching votes, you thought the claim was fake and ridiculous so you changed your vote to who you thought was scum. Any reasonable town in the thread WOULD make this switch.

Scum motivation for making this switch? There is none, why would scum want to last minute switch onto a townie? Why would scum want to out themselves by doing this? He could have easily pretended not to be in the thread.

TLDR;
1) People calling ange town for effort and contributing, when ange was never in danger, no reason for this.
2) Ange looks like contributing, but actually just 2 cases on the case that was already made, by people in the thread, actually just asking a ton of questions without a purpose behind the questions
3) Cases don't provide reason why actions are scummy. Seems to be targetting the easiest players, the players that won't come back at her and call her scum, prplhz, >mkfuba > iamperfection.
4) Flawed logic towards austinmcc and iamperfection, to try and paint their alignment the way she wants. Austinmcc defense that makes no sense, Aggressive on iamperfection for voting a scummy action and saying its scum motivation when in no way it is.
5) The smiley face opener
6) Go read you lazy fucker

Ange777 the secret it out you are scum

##Vote:Ange777

I also think Austinmcc is still scum, more thoughts on that later hopefully.

On September 22 2012 08:36 HiroPro wrote:


rofl

On September 22 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote:

What would your read be on me if all you had was the TOO obvious post and the prplhz vote post?

What is your current read on mementoss?

If you had to choose a lynch target for today that wasn't you, palmar, or marv, who would you be looking at and why?

If we weren't playing mafia, and everyone in this thread was actually a mountain (except you), who would be the tallest mountain? Which mountain would have the most wildlife living on it?

I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary.

On September 22 2012 08:42 iamperfection wrote:
@ ange

i believe someone pointed out you usally are never this inactive for a period of time do you have any explanation?

On September 22 2012 08:44 HiroPro wrote:


prplhz calling you scummy makes it not an easy target. yes, makes perfect sense. has nothing to do with the amount of people going after him or the attention on him.

and lol "questioning" palmar is not the same as calling him scum or making a case.

On September 22 2012 09:08 austinmcc wrote:

The same thing that happened here happened after the night flips. There was momentary 2 v 1 KP confusion.

On September 22 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:

Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games.

Gotta keep it secret for now.

On September 22 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:

The read on mementoss is null. You could not have caught up from either alignment. None of the stuff you answered was on the same page as his claim, so you may very well not have seen it. The day post WAS on that page, but again that doesn't really come out one way or the other.

The answer about your read on me is...not an answer. I was wondering just based off the two scummy posts I have, what your read would be. Happy you've got the correct read on me, but I'm unsure exactly when and why it went from null/town to town. Care to give the reasoning behind it?

I know it's kind of nitpicky and technical, but my vote is staying on you because of that deadline conduct. I really find it weird that you'd ask about the mason claim, then do nothing when it was clear they were claiming masons. If you thought iamperfection's vote swap was funny, that would mean you thought the whole scum team revealed themselves in like...2 minutes (:56 was the claims, :58 was iamperfection's vote iirc). Then you're so convinced he'll flip red, despite asking whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim. IF he did, you still voted him. IF he didn't, you had no reason to unvote him because of how they screwed up the claim. So...you were going to lynch him whether he claimed mason or not.


I'm still mulling over your mountain answers. May I ask why iamperfection for tallest mountain?

On September 22 2012 09:48 austinmcc wrote:

For the most part, I find nothing wrong with asking.

What I find scummy is that:

(1) You asked, then didn't do anything with the response. Like, you wanted to know this information because you asked, but then you didn't do anything with his ... I guess indirect answer of them continuing to say they were masons.

(2) Related to that, you asking makes it seem like the answer matters to you. While prplhz was still trolly, their response made it clear that they were both claiming mason. You kept your vote on them, not just the vote, but you were waiting to get the celebration started, so you thought him scum. So we know that

• IF they were claiming mason, you thought he was scum (vote + celebration comment)
• IF they weren't claiming mason . . . you still think him scum? You wouldn't think he was towny for him and hapa doing that, you'd think them both scum

If both answers end up with you thinking he was scum, it feels like a slightly odd question to ask, and it feels out of place that you don't keep taunting him after the "I'm speechless. Nice claims..." bit.

(3) From your comments, we can't really see you "falter." All we have to go on is this absence. And we can't interpret that as you faltering any more than we can interpret it as "so happy to have lucked out and gotten a mason lynches" or "celebrating in scum QT."

On September 22 2012 18:44 marvellosity wrote:


Ange, I absolutely need an explanation for what's been bolded here.

On September 24 2012 20:39 Hapahauli wrote:


Where d'ya go? It's uncharacteristic for you to be gone all weekend without any warning to say the least.



Unfortunately, no.

On September 22 2012 09:57 Ange777 wrote:
EBWOP: It's like almost 3 am here now so I'll be going to bed. I can't promise much activity over the weekend in general but I'll definitely be here and post my case on Palmar and address any further questions.

On September 24 2012 08:31 Hapahauli wrote:
But back to scum #3, is there anyone that actually thinks that Ange could flip town after this?

On September 24 2012 22:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Ange, while you were busy most of the weekend, will you be available and active in the next few days?

Also, I'm interested in hearing some of your updated reads - particularly on Hiro, iamperfection, bluelightz, and mementoss.

On September 25 2012 00:26 HiroPro wrote:
Ok guys. I seriously don't understand what you're doing. I made a great case and none of you are actually reading it.

Let me put it this way to you. Serial killers have 1 KP. Mafia teams have 1 KP. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of the serial killer? Only 1. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of mafia? 2.

SO WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THE SERIAL KILLER MARV!!!

On September 25 2012 00:59 Mementoss wrote:


Wat how does that balance, 1 extra scum, double the KP. Same amount of players? :S

On September 18 2012 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
Let's kill HiroPro. Or tell me why you think he could possibly be town with his current posting. Gogo.

On September 18 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't read any analysis that refer to the "Zephirdd Rule" also known as the "Kenpachi Rule Extended" because I think it's bullshit.

Anyway, HapaHauli is playing active and townie and I have no interest in lynching him today. Ange777 is looking terrible though.

@Ange777 Have you been scum at any point and can you direct me to one of those games?

List of people who suck: Bluelightz, marvellosity.