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On September 22 2012 09:08 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:06 Ange777 wrote: I think I saw someone posting scum kp is 2 ... The same thing that happened here happened after the night flips. There was momentary 2 v 1 KP confusion.
Ah ok.
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ange did you see this?
On September 14 2012 14:23 Ange777 wrote:GG scum Especially well played by Keir!!! I've never been nightkilled before , observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful keep that in mind when you come back.
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On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question?
On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal.
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What should I be keeping in mind? That I myself proclaimed that I would have been more active? I would have had tons of time for GSL Mafia after night 1 but unfortunately I was nightkilled in night 1 and couldn't play anymore. My time schedule at that time and right now are two completely different things.
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On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal.
Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered.
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On September 22 2012 09:12 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal. Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered. Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games.
Gotta keep it secret for now.
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On September 22 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:12 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal. Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered. Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games. Gotta keep it secret for now.
Any comments on my defense? Or are you content testing me whether I am trolling or not?
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On September 22 2012 09:17 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:12 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal. Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered. Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games. Gotta keep it secret for now. Any comments on my defense? Or are you content testing me whether I am trolling or not? The read on mementoss is null. You could not have caught up from either alignment. None of the stuff you answered was on the same page as his claim, so you may very well not have seen it. The day post WAS on that page, but again that doesn't really come out one way or the other.
The answer about your read on me is...not an answer. I was wondering just based off the two scummy posts I have, what your read would be. Happy you've got the correct read on me, but I'm unsure exactly when and why it went from null/town to town. Care to give the reasoning behind it?
I know it's kind of nitpicky and technical, but my vote is staying on you because of that deadline conduct. I really find it weird that you'd ask about the mason claim, then do nothing when it was clear they were claiming masons. If you thought iamperfection's vote swap was funny, that would mean you thought the whole scum team revealed themselves in like...2 minutes (:56 was the claims, :58 was iamperfection's vote iirc). Then you're so convinced he'll flip red, despite asking whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim. IF he did, you still voted him. IF he didn't, you had no reason to unvote him because of how they screwed up the claim. So...you were going to lynch him whether he claimed mason or not.
I'm still mulling over your mountain answers. May I ask why iamperfection for tallest mountain?
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On September 22 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:17 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:12 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal. Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered. Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games. Gotta keep it secret for now. Any comments on my defense? Or are you content testing me whether I am trolling or not? The read on mementoss is null. You could not have caught up from either alignment. None of the stuff you answered was on the same page as his claim, so you may very well not have seen it. The day post WAS on that page, but again that doesn't really come out one way or the other. The answer about your read on me is...not an answer. I was wondering just based off the two scummy posts I have, what your read would be. Happy you've got the correct read on me, but I'm unsure exactly when and why it went from null/town to town. Care to give the reasoning behind it? I know it's kind of nitpicky and technical, but my vote is staying on you because of that deadline conduct. I really find it weird that you'd ask about the mason claim, then do nothing when it was clear they were claiming masons. If you thought iamperfection's vote swap was funny, that would mean you thought the whole scum team revealed themselves in like...2 minutes (:56 was the claims, :58 was iamperfection's vote iirc). Then you're so convinced he'll flip red, despite asking whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim. IF he did, you still voted him. IF he didn't, you had no reason to unvote him because of how they screwed up the claim. So...you were going to lynch him whether he claimed mason or not. I'm still mulling over your mountain answers. May I ask why iamperfection for tallest mountain? i think i know the answer but you go first ange. gogogogo
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On September 22 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:17 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:13 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:12 Ange777 wrote:On September 22 2012 09:11 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 09:08 Ange777 wrote: What's the deeper meaning behind your mountain question? On September 22 2012 08:56 austinmcc wrote:On September 22 2012 08:55 HiroPro wrote: austin, why do you always ask such weird questions? I don't really want to reveal. Well I thought that you don't want to reveal because I had not answered. Oops. Nope. If I reveal then it ruins future usefulness, and I lose half my ability to read grush in other games. Gotta keep it secret for now. Any comments on my defense? Or are you content testing me whether I am trolling or not? The read on mementoss is null. You could not have caught up from either alignment. None of the stuff you answered was on the same page as his claim, so you may very well not have seen it. The day post WAS on that page, but again that doesn't really come out one way or the other. The answer about your read on me is...not an answer. I was wondering just based off the two scummy posts I have, what your read would be. Happy you've got the correct read on me, but I'm unsure exactly when and why it went from null/town to town. Care to give the reasoning behind it? I know it's kind of nitpicky and technical, but my vote is staying on you because of that deadline conduct. I really find it weird that you'd ask about the mason claim, then do nothing when it was clear they were claiming masons. If you thought iamperfection's vote swap was funny, that would mean you thought the whole scum team revealed themselves in like...2 minutes (:56 was the claims, :58 was iamperfection's vote iirc). Then you're so convinced he'll flip red, despite asking whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim. IF he did, you still voted him. IF he didn't, you had no reason to unvote him because of how they screwed up the claim. So...you were going to lynch him whether he claimed mason or not. I'm still mulling over your mountain answers. May I ask why iamperfection for tallest mountain?
I guess I didn't catch the "scummy part" from your too obvious post. Hence the first read. I explained marv already why I thought your second explanation made you townier in my eyes. Furthermore through the pressure of being lynched you remained helpful in making cases.
I don't know what's wrong with asking him if he is confirming the mason claim or not. He claimed vig and than proceeded to contradict Hapa immediately. I was confused because this was a totally failed claim and for the chance that prplhz indeed was town he should immediately correct the claim. But no he did not but chose to continue trolling which made me keep the scum read on him. I admit the claim made me falter a bit but only because my town read Hapa was claiming as well. So yeah, for a short time I thought that we might even have the third scum revealing himself.
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EBWOP: I won't reveal how I came up with my choice if you don't reveal why you're asking.
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On September 22 2012 09:41 Ange777 wrote: I don't know what's wrong with asking him if he is confirming the mason claim or not. He claimed vig and than proceeded to contradict Hapa immediately. I was confused because this was a totally failed claim and for the chance that prplhz indeed was town he should immediately correct the claim. But no he did not but chose to continue trolling which made me keep the scum read on him. I admit the claim made me falter a bit but only because my town read Hapa was claiming as well. So yeah, for a short time I thought that we might even have the third scum revealing himself. For the most part, I find nothing wrong with asking.
What I find scummy is that:
(1) You asked, then didn't do anything with the response. Like, you wanted to know this information because you asked, but then you didn't do anything with his ... I guess indirect answer of them continuing to say they were masons.
(2) Related to that, you asking makes it seem like the answer matters to you. While prplhz was still trolly, their response made it clear that they were both claiming mason. You kept your vote on them, not just the vote, but you were waiting to get the celebration started, so you thought him scum. So we know that- IF they were claiming mason, you thought he was scum (vote + celebration comment)
- IF they weren't claiming mason . . . you still think him scum? You wouldn't think he was towny for him and hapa doing that, you'd think them both scum
If both answers end up with you thinking he was scum, it feels like a slightly odd question to ask, and it feels out of place that you don't keep taunting him after the "I'm speechless. Nice claims..." bit.
(3) From your comments, we can't really see you "falter." All we have to go on is this absence. And we can't interpret that as you faltering any more than we can interpret it as "so happy to have lucked out and gotten a mason lynches" or "celebrating in scum QT."
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On September 22 2012 09:48 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 09:41 Ange777 wrote: I don't know what's wrong with asking him if he is confirming the mason claim or not. He claimed vig and than proceeded to contradict Hapa immediately. I was confused because this was a totally failed claim and for the chance that prplhz indeed was town he should immediately correct the claim. But no he did not but chose to continue trolling which made me keep the scum read on him. I admit the claim made me falter a bit but only because my town read Hapa was claiming as well. So yeah, for a short time I thought that we might even have the third scum revealing himself. For the most part, I find nothing wrong with asking. What I find scummy is that: (1) You asked, then didn't do anything with the response. Like, you wanted to know this information because you asked, but then you didn't do anything with his ... I guess indirect answer of them continuing to say they were masons. (2) Related to that, you asking makes it seem like the answer matters to you. While prplhz was still trolly, their response made it clear that they were both claiming mason. You kept your vote on them, not just the vote, but you were waiting to get the celebration started, so you thought him scum. So we know that - IF they were claiming mason, you thought he was scum (vote + celebration comment)
- IF they weren't claiming mason . . . you still think him scum? You wouldn't think he was towny for him and hapa doing that, you'd think them both scum
If both answers end up with you thinking he was scum, it feels like a slightly odd question to ask, and it feels out of place that you don't keep taunting him after the "I'm speechless. Nice claims..." bit. (3) From your comments, we can't really see you "falter." All we have to go on is this absence. And we can't interpret that as you faltering any more than we can interpret it as "so happy to have lucked out and gotten a mason lynches" or "celebrating in scum QT."
Okay, I think I finally understood your concern.
Yes, from their responses it was clear that they are indeed claiming masons. But the way prplhz claimed his mason through trolling and his I-don't-care-whether-people-believe-me-or-not-attitude and his I-don't-care-whether-I-die-or-not-attitude are what made me not change my read on him. Not the confirmation of the claim itself. If he really was town, he should have seriously claimed and tried to convince people.
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EBWOP: It's like almost 3 am here now so I'll be going to bed. I can't promise much activity over the weekend in general but I'll definitely be here and post my case on Palmar and address any further questions.
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Oh damn looks like I just missed Ange. For when she gets back...
@ Ange777
I don't think you've addressed the most incriminating point against you yet - the clear contradictions between your pre-lynch mentality and your case on iamperfection. Firstly, this quote:
On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote: Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting At this point you clearly thing prplzh is scum for the reasons of the fail-claim (as posted in your first defense post). The problem is, there's no reason for you to suspect iamperfection for his vote. Pre-lynch, your comment on iamperfection's vote is fine. However post-lynch, there's a huge contradiction in your mentality:
On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote: also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour.
Firstly, there's no reason you should be suspicious of iamperfection for his fakevote due to your comments on the prplzh fake-claim. As you have stated, prplzh's fake-claim is the thing that re-affirmed your scumread on him. Problem is, you show a complete ignorance of this mentality when attacking iamperfection. It's pretty clear that iamperfection switched his vote for the same reason that you re-affirmed your read on prplzh. Despite the supposedly similar mentalities, you show a complete unawareness of this when attacking iamperfection. It should have been obvious to you why he switched his vote. It reads like you are forcing suspicions, and this disconnect in your mentality reinforces this.
Now as for the bolded part, it just makes no damn sense. As marv said earlier, why hypothetical scum iamperfection try to get town cred for jumping on prplhz? Scum iamperfection would have known that prplzh was town. This makes 0% sense, and is more evidence for me that you're forcing cases/suspicion on players.
It also doesn't help that the overall post is just terrible analysis. You seem to be more ticked off at iamperfection for "voting responsibility" rather than actual scummy behavior. A townie switching his vote after a huge fail-claim is pretty normal (and obvious), yet for some reason you're completely oblivious to it.
I'm interested in hearing your response, but I can't think of any town-mentality for your suspicions on iamperfection. I will say that if you can't convince the town, dump your reads on as many players as you can, Right now, you're relentlessly tunneling iamperfection (and mementoss for a while... lol?). If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow.
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If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow.
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V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT INCOMING
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hey I am a mountain with wildlife. Al them girls say that ehll yea
drunk, partyime. somehow ange's lynch feelss worng. guys please kill palm hes useless
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V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT: Ange777 ( 5 ) austinmcc, Hapahauli, HiroPro, iamperfection, Mementoss marvellosity ( 1 ) Palmar Palmar ( 3 ) Ange777, Marvellosity, Zephirdd Presently, no one is set to be lynched! 17.5 hours remain in Day 2 ! bluelightz have yet to vote!
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