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I am in favour of lynching a player who is playing scummy on d1 - lurking is playing like scum. Last game we lynched cubu and it didn't turn out great - Cubu please participate more in this thread and make sure you are not looking lurky! - I know others have mentioned it already, but I think all of us who played last game would agree. Other than that - Kush please stop going on about how you don't want to die, petulance doesn't help town. | ||
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I think the other things that are on this page are more worth discussing though: I agree that Kush's statements about not wanting to die were dumb and anti-town. I haven't voted him yet though because a) I think the serial killer case, while I can follow the logic, is a huge overreach when we don't even know whether we have a serial killer. It would be equally plausible to argue that kush was trying to attract attention to himself with that kind of remark. b) Kush made a significant number of dumb comments at the start of XXVI and turned out to be town. That doesn't excuse these comments, but they are not enough on their own to make me think he is scum. I like sonic's last post on Debears though - For now my feeling is that Debears is mafia trying to blend into the thread. Debears who do you think is scum? For now: ##Vote:debears | ||
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When I said that I don't think FOS is useful, I thought I made it clear that I thought voting WAS useful (which is why I have done it.) but that I don't see what FOS'ing adds above voting - if you think someone is acting scummy, it is not bad play to vote for them, rather than FOS - if you want to ask questions of someone, you don't need this meaningless phrase to do it. So I would like to see people expressing their suspicions with votes not FOS's. | ||
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Players I want to see more from - There are lots of players in this category: 1. RemedySC - Not much interesting in his posts, nothing scummy but nothing strong 2. Drazak - Again, he made fair points about me and I am answering his questions - he has said he will also try to post more today. If there is one thing that I learnt from XXVI it is that associational cases are bad though. So leave off this how is he connected to X&Y on D1. 3. Stutters 4.Cubu!!! - I am quite happy to policy lynch cubu every game I play with him if he is not posting more. Cubu post more or I will vote for you. Two strongest town reads: (though town reads are kind of dubious atm, because strong mafia probably look like town now -d1 we are more trying to catch a weaker mafia I think) 1. Thrawn - I don't put much stock in the idea that him & Debears are necessarily linked in some way - but his posting has been strong all day 2. Sonic - Solid town posts, less high up for me though, just because I have the experience of playing with him in XXVI and know he is a strong player who fooled me for large parts of that game. When I went to bed, I thought Sharrant was towny - he was following the same train of logic that I did and he was . Now I just don't know - others have totally fought with him on asking debears to roleclaim and that was a bad idea, I don't think he is a good d1 lynch, there is too much chance he flips bad town, but he is definitely a player I want to look at more closely as the game progresses And the most important part - scum: 1.Debears - my scum read on him from yesterday has not changed that much, his hugely defensive posting since then is a bad, and I agree with Kush's attack on his last post. I sort of like that he is attacking rethos - but rethos is an easy target, a lurker who has only posted questions so far. I await to see what he has to say about Sharrant. 2.Atreidies - 3 posts, all bad , random setup speculation. You can pretty much sum up everything he has said so far as "I'm not convinced" - That is not at all scummy per se - but you need to combine that attitude with efforts to scumhunt yourself and contribute actively. Because he hasn't, it looks scummy to me. | ||
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As far as "My" case (not really "my" case - but my vote) on Debears goes I still prefer him slightly over sharrant. see Debears as more scummy than sharrant because he led with stupid play and then tried to explain it away, whereas on my reading the Sharrant case seems more "bad towny" than a strong scum read, he started trying to help town and then made a dumb mistake. also why are so many people already voting sharron? His play is really stupid with the roleclaim call, but stupid play doesn't make you mafia. you think first time mafia would really be so confidently retarded like that? Isn't sharron's roleclaim call as stupid as my defense of thrawn early on? You could make the same argument for me. So for me it is kind of similar - but yours looks worse. That said, this game still has too many lurkers - I am not sure at the moment whether debears is strong enough to justify not shooting one of them, hopefully I won't need to make that decision because they will all come in with plenty of useful posts (fat chance). | ||
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Mods can you fix my filter link on the first page? | ||
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 But sorry I just can't make head or tail of his postings today. I don't understand his post from either a mafia or a town perspective - this makes me think he is a bad townie, because if he was mafia he would have had two others telling him how to diffuse this situation.My own observations about stutters were nearly a disaster last game, perhaps as a result I have been too cautious d1. I will do better tomorrow and try to find a strong target. The lynch I feel best about is Cubu, for reasons that anyone who played/reads the last game should be clear on, even if he is town again (hard to tell), we are going to go into D2 in a stronger position with him gone & I feel it is even scummier that he is not here this game when he got lynched as town for the same behaviour last game. It seems like debears has not been scummy enough since the inital post for others to have a strong feeling he is scum & am not confident enough in the case against Sharrant to vote for him. I'll be around for like 15-20 mins now, then I have to go. ##unvote debears ##vote Cubu | ||
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2. We don't have a medic as I just checked and it is not one of the possible roles in this game in the FP. Assuming we have a jailkeeper on d1 is not a safe assumption imho. | ||
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##unvote ##vote debears | ||
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Is it allowed to ask Sharrant to post a link to the mason quicktopic to prove his claim? I am asking the mods first because I feel like it might not be, but it wasn't clear in the rules (it says you can post your role pm and the sample role pm makes no mention of not being able to post the quicktopic link to the thread if you choose) | ||
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 In that case, Sharrant please paste the contents of the quicktopic to-date into the thread & Sharky confirm that you are mason. | ||
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ofc that means Sharrant is effectivley a confirmed towny (and the new guy too I guess). Scumhunting I want/need to look closely tonight/tomorrow at debears's posting from before and after flip and see if my scumread on him still holds.RemedySC's play has also been super lurky from what I can see and has dropped off the radar. His play reminds me of imcasey in the last game, making a single weak case and then shutting up. Hopefully we don't lose two players overnight. | ||
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It might annoy you more to say the one thing I have done more is look at debears posts from After the lynch more closley. I can't see much in them that looks that scummy so for now I kinda think he is a null read. I don't like his posts from d1 much - but that is D1, so it is the weakest day of play. Also, setup speculation is pointless - I will post more later hopefully I will have some time after 4pm french time to look through other filters. | ||
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On September 21 2012 18:11 rethos wrote: Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything. Again I am really really sorry. I will ask for a replacement. If lynch lurkers is a decent policy - then Lynching liars, (even bad ones) is an essential policy ( from what I have read). I am sort of null on you because I don't see how your posts today help mafia or town at all but I can come up with plausible scenarios why both would do this - just totally barf worthy. I am not great at his game yet, but I am going to be annoyed if this is another game where d1 &2 are dominated by terrible town play. I am still going to look later and see if I can find a better scum - but for now. Vote##: rethos | ||
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mafia don't get bored.he might have lied about his reason for afking but I don't think he lied about being bored. now you are saying: Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. I / town am not going to listen to someone who comes into the thread "high as fuck" and says one thing and then contradicts himself so directly a short while later. I don't quite understand why mafia would fight so hard to pull off one mislynch for two mafia. But this is terrible play for either mafia or town. ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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Possible Motivations: If you are mafia and he is town - putting that much focus on trying to prevent you being lynched by exonerating rethos seems bad play to me. Also, he said at the start that: Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls...I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. - does not seem like he is doing that. If you are mafia and he is mafia - makes no sense If you are town and he is mafia - He can make a defence of you, (knowing it was unlikely to succeed with rethos terrible play) then when you get lynched say "I didn't want to lynch him anyway, you should have listened to me" - gaining townie cred off a mislynch. Ho Hum - Kush, do you really think this is a good example of careful & better analysis? | ||
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I am giving my current sober read. Why do I think he's not scum? because scum are less likely to.get bored. because being bored gives him a reason to lie about testing towns lurker leniency. And your opinion of that read is: Wtf I was actually quite proud of my reasoning and when I wad writting it I was thinking to myself damn this is going to convince everybody .... Can you not see why I/the thread might have a problem with that? | ||
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D1 - doesn't want to lynch lurkers, Posts bad case on Kush (imho - attacking someone for wanting to lynch lurkers is not attacking someone for scum play), Goes away and avoids d1 drama. Okay, I was around reading the thread for the last 30-40 minutes before lynch time. I honestly didn't know what I could say to have an impact on the vote. It was clear to me that drazak was going to be lynched, and I didn't see any way for me to change that. - Scummy thing to say for sure, "false regret" is a dumb scum thing - If he didn't want a drazak lynch he should have said so.Posts more bad inferences about Kush. Decent post on Stutters - pointing out a fair argument against him from my perspective (as I know I am town). But this is not hard for mafia to do either as they know everyone's alignments (except if there is an sk) - so this is null. Pointless cellphone posts, defends Rethos at a weird time when there was a big back and forth about it going on - ok but he never follows it up, pointless post. Points out something obviously scummy from stutters. Overall - poor posts, one that looks obviously scummy and lots that don't help us scumhunting (somewhat scum). He would be a decent lynch. My problem is that there are several decent lynches.... difficult to decide between them. | ||
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Obviously, from my perspective this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 04:37 Stutters695 wrote: Killing or any other lurker is a better lynch than Sharrant at this point for two main reasons (IMO): 1) Sharrant is active. If he is scum it will reveal itself over time, while if we go into lategame with a bunch of lurkers we're boned in lylo. 2)You guys are painting the SK idea as way too scummy imo. Look at Kush's early posts. Self-survival is usually indicative of a power-role or scum. If he's a blue he wouldn't have so obviously painted a target on himself. If he's scum it seems to reason he wouldn't paint such a big target on himself. Given the option between SK and VT, SK makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't necessarily agree with that conclusion but it makes sense and he's putting himself out there on that read and gives us even more of substance to hold him accountable for. Looking at the lurkers: Drazak: Would like to see some more from him before the lynch. Nowhere near the least active and he has at least thrown out questions. Wouldn't be our best lynch target imo. KillingTime has been actively lurking. He has 11 posts during D1. He has only one post with any real content. This is similar to his town play in XXVI but his reads in this have all been agreeing with other people while in XXVI his reads were more based on his observations. Really I'd like to see a lynch on Cubu. Regardless of if Cubu is scum or town, Cubu needs to die. For anyone who didn't play in NMMXXVI check his filter there (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=153930). 9 posts before he was lynched on day 2. We let him live Day 1 with the hopes his play would improve and it didn't as VT. After we wasted a lynch on him D2 we put ourselves in mylo. We shouldn't let that happen again when we can easily avoid it. Our day 2 lynch candidate will be a much stronger one than our D1 if we're lynching someone active and Cubu has shown no intentions of actually playing. ##Vote Cubu looks scummy as everyone he mentions is pretty much confirmed town to me. But it is not decisive because that is pretty bold for mafia who normally push each other at least alittle bit from what I have seen. So this could be unlucky town play. Mason stuff - meh that was indeed a trainwreck - although the one time he was actually active was killing drazak. Since then lurky lurky lurky. (scum as anything, he has an excuse but no-one can take anything from that - it could be true and he could still be scum) Overall I think remedy is marginally more scummy than stutters just because I see more scum motivation in his actions. Everyone knows lurking looks bad, doing the remedy "I am here but not scumhunting much" thing looks worse to me. If we do give Dandel one more day then I would prefer a Remedy lynch I think. | ||
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##unvote ##vote RemedySC Not only for the reasons above, but also because your defence has been really bad: I picked you because you were the one I was focusing on. I didn't want to let up on you until I could think that you are either town or mafia. At that time I was almost 100% certain that you were scum. Recently my opinion on that has changed, and you are looking a lot more like town. - why, you have not mentioned this change of heart before, and how does voting someone and then making no effort to get others to vote for them, dropping the issue d2 & being absent from the lynch court as "not letting up" on a player you thought was "almost 100% scum"?What I was saying with that cubu vs drazak post is that if I were mafia, wouldn't I have taken the opportunity to go after one of them. I had no reason to believe Cubu was mafia, and with Drazak I thought it could go either way. Why, if you saw the thread developing - it was clear that either me, cubu, drazak, debears or sharrant was getting lynched. Only debears is not essentially confirmed town to me at this point - you knew you were going to get a mislynch so you didn't need to. If you were town you would have atleast tried to register your objection as you said you were reading the thread. | ||
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I suspect atleast one of kush/you/jacob are scum. I don't know which - I haven't had time to read the huge posts made post lynch yet or really give these longer filters justice. Atreidies - scum by elimination at the moment - but that might change if I read thrawn's filter and the other cases against him and agree with them. Dandel - given the double town lurker death, and who he has been pushing - scum. My preferred lynch atm until I get better reads on the active posters. Debears - probable town, I dislike his d1 posts but since then I don't see mafia motivation in his posts. Sharrant & Sharky - Town, if they are very clever lying mafia we have lost already. | ||
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