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On August 29 2012 21:44 Eleanthas wrote: /obs I want to learn before I try again learn by playing! | ||
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On August 30 2012 03:16 kushm4sta wrote: I dont really get the point of hydras. yeah they're basically useless outside of zvz | ||
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On August 30 2012 11:47 kushm4sta wrote: not enough mafia newbies... if this game doesn't start soon I'm gonna have to un-/in | ||
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On August 30 2012 15:01 Cubu wrote: /in Is it possible to start the game before all the slots are filled? The last game I played only had 9 players and it was kinda boring/slow | ||
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slow in terms of activity level... after the first lynch everyone agreed on the next lynch during N1 and there were only like 2 pages of posts created for the rest of the game | ||
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On August 31 2012 15:24 JacobStrangelove wrote: /in I'm going to be drunk most of tommorow but if it doesn't start before then I guess It will be fine. Also first game. Whatever you do, don't even read the thread if you're not completely sober. I was high for a good amount of my first game and I thought/posted a lot of stupid shit. | ||
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On August 31 2012 09:33 kitaman27 wrote: No pre-game policy discussion please  We are thinking of moving the deadline an hour earlier. If you have a problem with this, send me a pm. Thanks! sooner the better! | ||
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ever... got some irl stuff that's probably gonna happen soon and afterwards I won't have internet. well, "ever" probably isn't true but at least for a long enough time I might as well call it "ever" | ||
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On September 01 2012 00:21 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: /in Or am I too late? :p nope you're the last one in | ||
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On September 01 2012 00:45 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: KillingTime and Sonic Death Mobster, we'll make a kick-ass Euro mobster duo :p the old ways of family and respect are no more, haven't you seen the sopranos? | ||
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On September 01 2012 07:10 kitaman27 wrote: Game will start tommorrow at 9pm EST. Be sure to reply to your confirmation pms which will be going out shortly awww.... no chance of it happening today? btw guys, on sept 11th i'm moving out of apartment so my posting will be at a minimum that day | ||
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On September 01 2012 07:50 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Is there a maximum of one of each role listed except for the vanilla villager? This is going to be a complete mindfuck no maximum or minimum. but it's pretty standard to have no more than 1 of each blue role.... i doubt that they'd make the entire town all vigilantes in a newbie game lol | ||
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and like I said, scumhunting in the thread is more useful than a single cop's night checks | ||
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On September 01 2012 20:30 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Are mobsters allowed to communicate privately 24/7? yeah, example from newbie 24. that may not be the exact means for this game but I expect the same thing or something similar | ||
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On September 02 2012 03:06 BioSC wrote: Everyone is forgetting hints for how to play scum! Step 1) Bus teammate #1 Step 2) Bus teammate #2 Step 3) Mislynch to solo glorious victory! (Don't take what I say to be true... Or should you???) what about never reading your role pm till until 2 scum have been lynched and truthfully scumhunting up until that point? | ||
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Obligatory lurker policy post: Newbie XXIII Newbie XXV tldr: Lynching lurkers D1 has recently shown merit in newbie games. To quote lvdr from XXV: On August 26 2012 02:42 Lvdr wrote: "lynching active but contriversial players D1 typically leads to mislynches" My plan for D1 is to proceed as normal, but in the back of my mind I'll be thinking about a good lurker vote candidate. Good =/= lowest post count, it means picking a lurker who doesn't take a side in controversial issues. Near the end of D1, I will be most suspicious of people that have avoided attention and don't seem to care about scumhunting or offering original contributions. This message brought to you by the The Arlen Beauty Academy. | ||
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On September 02 2012 11:02 Cubu wrote: But how do you lynch that which you cannot see? yo man talkin' bout 21st century man, got dat dang ole night vision | ||
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On September 02 2012 11:04 Cubu wrote: And it might be that they are busy doing something offline (school, work etc) so it's hard to judge whether they are lurking or just afk. Well there is no effective or distinguishable difference between true lurking and being afk so I'm going to think of them as the same thing. And note that lurker policy isn't based on lynching the person with lowest vote count, it has a lot to do with the content of their posts. On September 02 2012 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote:Good =/= lowest post count, it means picking a lurker who doesn't take a side in controversial issues. Near the end of D1, I will be most suspicious of people that have avoided attention and don't seem to care about scumhunting or offering original contributions. | ||
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On September 02 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote: Are people ok with NOT lynching anyone first night or is this generally thought of as bad play? Because honestly it seems impossible to have a good idea of who is mafia by then. Last game everyone was like we NEED to lynch someone, and we ended up lynching WeeTee, an innocent! I love all my townies and I don't want to kill any. I don't want a no-lynch. Even if a townie gets lynched we still gain information from their flip. If a player flips green then the next step is to look at who all played parts in getting them lynched. And besides that if we don't have a lynch goal for D1 I think there will be a lot less conversation than normal. As far as it being impossible to have a good lynch candidate, that's where lurker policy comes in. | ||
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On September 02 2012 15:23 kushm4sta wrote: okok I get it... about a thousand people explain to me why my idea is bad. Mafia thinks to themselves, "hmm here is something obvious I can post about that wont make me look suspicious." Your point? Are you saying that you are suspicious of KillingTime's post? 3 =/= 1,000,000 and how can you not expect at least that many people to respond to your no-lynch idea especially considering there's nothing else to talk about except lurker policy? I'd hoped that you'd taken a lesson from XXV and eased off from making inflammatory and impulsive posts. | ||
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On September 02 2012 19:41 JacobStrangelove wrote: You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. Nah I don't have a scum read on kush at all, I'm just underwhelmed by his reads so I'm pointing out my disagreements with them. He does look like town because of how eager and fearless he's being and I don't think it's likely that he'd stick his neck out so far if he were scum. On September 02 2012 19:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Oh and I didn't have a clue what the reference was and was completely confused. :/ Kush was talking about all my king of the hill posts. And sorry kush they're probably going to keep coming whenever I'm bored. As for kush's case and insanely early vote for kreb: my comments in red On September 02 2012 18:45 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote kreb Post is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. Yeah it's an insanely premature vote. I don't see the logic in voting for someone based off their low post count when it's only 10 hours into the game and other people have yet to post. Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." There is nothing suspicious at all about someone who makes their first post focused entirely on lurker policy. I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. This is the only part of kreb's post that I can see scum motivations behind, and that's only because of the wording, "slightest read." It does stick out as the scummiest thing anyone has said so far but for kush to go ahead and vote just based on a single post when we don't know what kreb's final post count will be just seems ridiculous. An ##FOS would have been more appropriate. So no, kreb's post doesn't justify kush's vote. On September 02 2012 19:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. Does your thinking kush and I are omgusing each other mean you have town reads on us? | ||
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@ drazak, kreb, cubu, kville, killingtime and stutters... you guys need to get in here and share some reads. None of you have assigned a read of any kind on anyone. | ||
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On September 02 2012 22:57 Kville wrote: Im not lurking! I just woke up! Got anything to say other than you're not lurking? It's been almost 2 hours since that first post of yours and I expected you to post something substantial by now. Aside from stutters who hasn't posted you're #1 on my lurker watch-list. On September 03 2012 00:04 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: As far as I can tell you've just latched on to my reads and reasonings for thrawn and WeeTee, I don't see why you'd accuse me of not having original reads. In the future remember that pointing out hypocrisy does nothing to address a person's argument. JacobStrangelove: Out of all the non-lurkers you've participated the least in scumhunting (asking questions, pointing out posts you find scummy, etc), is there anyone you find suspicious? Cuba that last post of yours is useless for the purposes of scumhunting. | ||
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As for the active players, I want to see more out of JacobStrangelove. His posts have failed to impress. His biggest contribution to the thread so far is typing up a list with short explanations for his reads on everyone. That is not scumhunting. Anyone can type up a list and include short justifications for early reads. A town player is more focused on actively contributing towards the process of finding scum and that's not what I'm seeing out of Jacob. On September 02 2012 22:57 Kville wrote: Im not lurking! I just woke up! Kville what are you doing? So far all you have done is make a single post to clarify that you're not lurking. I agree with stutters, the list stuff is kinda silly. I say they're a waste of time/effort. I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. Our focus needs to be more directed on scumhunting than just constantly updating lists of casual one liners about each player. | ||
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On September 03 2012 08:03 kushm4sta wrote:And yeah grandma thrawn I put it in the voting thread too. thanks kush you make me proud In regards to your vote... I think cubu is a good pick, but I'm also considering drazak for the same reasons I'm assuming you selected cubu. Both of them have been present since the beginning of the game yet they haven't contributed anything beyond discussing policy type of stuff. Stutters, weetee, and kville all have 1 post each so I'm willing to accept they've just gotten into the game late. The difference between the 1 post players and cubu/drazak is that cubu/drazak both posted at the start of the game so they have less of an excuse for not contributing. Do you have any scum reads on the active players? Right now I'm looking at jacob: On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: As for the active players, I want to see more out of JacobStrangelove. His posts have failed to impress. His biggest contribution to the thread so far is typing up a list with short explanations for his reads on everyone. That is not scumhunting. Anyone can type up a list and include short justifications for early reads. A town player is more focused on actively contributing towards the process of finding scum and that's not what I'm seeing out of Jacob. | ||
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On September 03 2012 19:01 kushm4sta wrote: In response to all this conversation about lists: I prefer more directed single accusations than lightly accusing a bunch of people at once. If a bunch of people really put the heat on someone and threaten him with a lynch, then shit starts to come out. But if you accuse someone with a few sentences, along with the 5 other people you are accusing, then the accused doesn't even really have to respond. Casting your net to wide is the metaphor. Yes list making gives you a lot of insight into what people are thinking, but this is a double edged sword. If I have a slight suspicion of someone, I don't necessarily want to let them know that because that will only make them more careful. Yeah I don't like the lists. They cause town's focus to be too widespread which limits progress. If you have a read on somebody, and it's a read worth sharing, then it should take more than a couple sentences to justify. Making lists isn't scumhunting, it's fluff. You should be spending your time making accusations and questioning people instead of spitting out the status quo on each player. Gonna get my vote in next post | ||
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On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. In summary: He lurks throughout the entire game and only shares reads near the end of D1. Those reads are short and insubstantial and are not intended to spark further conversation. He never questions anyone or makes direct accusations. He's trying to blend in. | ||
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On September 03 2012 20:11 kushm4sta wrote: The problem I see is that there are a lot of other people with posts equally as insubstantial or worse. At least drazak has given reasons for his inactivity and there is the promise of more activity in the future. Assume drazak and kville and cubu are town. Which townie would you rather have day 2? For me that's hands down drazak, because he has contributed way more than those other two. It will be easier to determine later if he is scum because he has content to analyze. He may have contributed more in terms of total word count but their effective participation levels have been about the same. I am suspicious of drazak because his play looks like he is trying to appear somewhat active, but the 1st half of D1 he didn't talk about anything useful and D2 he made that list which contributed almost nothing to the thread... and I think his vote on kville is him trying to pick the easiest and safest target. In regards to people giving reasons for inactivity, that's not something I can confirm or deny so I mostly ignore it. On September 03 2012 20:27 drazak wrote: Well, if you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote kville, have you looked at his filter? Have you seen his previous activity in other mafias? Something seems fishy there and if he doesn't speak up there is absolutely no reason not to lynch him. Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. On September 03 2012 19:56 drazak wrote:I feel like that is pretty bad reasoning, if I was mafia I'd simply not give reads, or give poorly thought out reads (or atleast, in my experience). Actually that is what I think you've been doing. Not giving reads until extremely late and then giving poorly thought out reads. By 'poorly thought out' I'm talking about your list of short sentences about each player. As for your vote on kville I do give you some possible town credit for taking the initiative there, but it could also be scum motives trying to vote for an easy target. Kville is literally the easiest person to vote for because of him having only 1 post. So although you were the first to vote, it was anything but a ballsy move. Kville if you don't get lynched D1 and continue your posting behavior I don't think it's likely that you'll last past D2. What say you? Drazak, your vote is on a player who has only 1 post. I can see what the town motivations for that would be, but that still leaves you at a point where you aren't really scumhunting and you're just picking an easy target. What is your top scumread and why? (other than kville of course) Please be thorough. | ||
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On September 03 2012 23:57 KillingTime wrote: I kind of feel that a kville lynch would be similar to a kush lynch. We seem to agree that for a mafia to go out and make the d1 posts that kush did would be very gambley/spaz mafia play. Well, the same thing surely applies to Kville - I don't like the fact he is lurking like a submarine - but at this point, given how every active player has repeatedly stressed that they want town to be posting - the total refusal of kville to do that kind of makes me think there are better lynch targets (atleast for d1, d2 is a different story and kville is certainly going to need a good explanation and good d2 play if he does survive). I have similar feelings about a kville lynch: On September 03 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. Also according to the replacement thread the host has asked for a replacement for this game, so I think that kville is just a town player who doesn't care and wants out. I'm going to unvote drazak because I'd rather lynch someone more lurky, and because he's done a better job at contributing than he did at the start of the game. Here are my thoughts on the proposed lurker lynch candidates: Cubu: Has expressed suspicion of drazak, and said he wants to lynch kville. I consider his vote for kville a bad idea, but he has at least given scumreads. Earlier someone said that Cubu's posting looks like that of a spazzy townie, which I agree with. WeeTee/Stutters: I'm putting these two together because they are the lurkiest except for kville. WeeTee hasn't offered any scum reads at all, nor has he questioned anyone on anything. Stutters' only contribution towards scumhunting was his comment on kville's strange behavior. Stutters's scumhunting efforts are close enough to none I might as well call it none. Between the two of them I think WeeTee has provided greater insight into his thoughts. Stutters hasn't even obliged us with his town reads, all he's done is talk about policy and his thoughts on lists. I want to lynch WeeTee or Stutters. Other than kville (who I'm not going to vote for because of the earlier reasons I gave) they are the lurkiest players. I can see WeeTee being town because his town meta during XXV was exactly how he's playing now, so I'm going to vote for stutters because of my WeeTee meta read and because stutters has shared less thoughts/reads out of the two. | ||
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On September 04 2012 02:01 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn Let me just say that was a very nice catch on kville getting replaced. Very sharp. We certainly shouldn't vote for him now. Drazak and Cuba should change their votes. I think the replacement issue makes him just a null read. So the drazak didn't work out for you? Now you aim your sights at Stutters. Stutters over Cuba makes ZERO sense to me. Reason for dropping my drazak vote: On September 04 2012 00:54 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm going to unvote drazak because I'd rather lynch someone more lurky, and because he's done a better job at contributing than he did at the start of the game. On September 04 2012 02:01 kushm4sta wrote:He is not the ideal townie, but if you compare his filter to Cuba's, the difference is night and day. As town Stutters appears to be much more helpful, writing in depth and coherently. You are right he has offered no scum read yet. However he still has 8 hours and as he explained he is not a very active poster. On the other hand look at cuba's "scum read." It's more like a defense: you can't lynch him for lurking because kville is lurking way harder. And then he also accuses drazak...hmm that's interesting..but I'll get to that next post. Anyway his scumread of drazak is based on calling him out for lurker policy fluff, which is the same reason I suspected cuba in the first place. So his "scrumread," which apparently proves his innocence in your mind, is hypocritical, unfocused, and lacking of content. When you first accused drazak right after I accused cuba, you said You weren't even mentioning stutters as a candidate back then, and nothing regarding him has changed. You said cuba was a good pick, so what happened?? Neither Cubu or Stutters have contributed much towards scumhunting and they're both lurky. You ask why Stutters over Cubu? Cubu more fits the profile of a townie who doesn't know what he's doing, similar to how WeeTee played in XXV. You point out that Stutter's posts are more thought out/coherent/relevant than Cubu's, which is actually part of the reason why I think stutters is a better choice. You've got two people who have been lurking and not scumhunting much/at all. Yet one of them (Stutters) seems to have a better idea of how the game is played than the other. That's why I think Cubu could just be bad town whereas stutters is scum. In regards to my thinking Cubu was a good pick, yes I agreed with you at that time. But since you made that vote he has posted more so I had to give him a little town-cred for that. Also at the time of your Cubu vote Stutters had posted way more recently than Cubu had. But look at my filter, I've paid fair attention to both cubu and stutters as well as the other lurkers. Example here. On September 04 2012 02:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Any reason you think that'd make him townie? At this point I think it's evident he's afk because town or maffia, he would've tried to defend himself by now. To me it pretty much makes him rand(), which still makes him a bad lynch because we want >rand() lynches and whether town or maffia lynching him gives us very little info. Not lynching him in hopes of him getting a sub seems like the obvious move. Yeah, here: On September 03 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. | ||
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On September 04 2012 02:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:At this point I think it's evident he's afk because town or maffia, he would've tried to defend himself by now. Oh and I wouldn't say he's afk, he's been playing in another mafia game all this time. It could be some elaborate ruse as scum, but I think it's more likely he doesn't want to play in this game. | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: Well.here I go. I am not in favor of d1 lynch as it really proves and shows any connections to the game whatsoever. Sorry for my absence but reads are pointless at this point Did you ask to be replaced? | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: Well.here I go. I am not in favor of d1 lynch as it really proves and shows any connections to the game whatsoever. Sorry for my absence but reads are pointless at this point First, as it's been stated several times, no-lynch isn't an option. You say reads are pointless on D1. But how will reads become less pointless during D2 if hypothetically we could choose to no-lynch? Lynching makes people commit to reads. You just posted so apparently you want to remain in the game. If so you need to vote to avoid being modkilled so who is your vote? | ||
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4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. Kville do you want to be lynched/replaced/modkilled? | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:05 Kreb wrote: I'll probably not vote Kville for the reason that he should be replaced. But that reply after saying like 10 words in 40 hours sure as hell doesnt make him look better. Possibly off topic: + Show Spoiler + English might not be my first languege, but I consider myself quite well versed. But I still have no idea what this means (I understand the words, not the meaning). On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: proves and shows any connections to the game How does one "prove and show connection to a game"? He's saying that a D1 lynch will not help us get reads on anyone.....which is not true. | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:56 Stutters695 wrote: We know you know how to play Kville. So start explaining. Currently it seems like you're lying because your 3rd post on Day 1 in NMIII was a vote on Marvellosity. Even if you are telling the truth about your thoughts on d1 lynches your play is so anti-town we honestly would be better off without you Actually I'm in agreement with this, especially the bolded part. Kville answer this question. You have played extremely poorly, broken a rule, and there is the evidence in the replacement thread that suggest you wanted to be removed from the game. Do you want to play or not? If you do, then why are you purposely playing so extremely anti-town? I say your bad play is intentional because here are your actions: -Lurk on 1 post until near voting deadline -Broke a rule by self-voting -Make an statement about non-lynching so illogical I don't think anyone would have it as an honest opinion So why play intentionally bad if you are town? | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:53 Kville wrote: Over analyzing is cute and can be a feature of a scum. It is day one and it seem as if you are in desperate need for a lynch. so desperate in fact that you are over reading the rulebook and calling me a cheater. Ok cool but again, why are you playing intentionally bad town? | ||
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On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: @kville Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you? Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement. Are you mafia? Are you trolling? This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town. That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly. | ||
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On September 04 2012 09:20 kushm4sta wrote: I'm really at a loss at what do with this guy... one thing is certain, we will waste much time d2 trying to decide. Yeah. Apparently the replacement was WeeTee so it looks like Kville is going to stay in. I don't think there's enough time to lynch him right now if that's what you're implying but I wouldn't be opposed to it just because it's a huge problem we shouldn't have to deal with. | ||
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kreb Cubu kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee Stutters695 Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112 WeeTee kville drazak I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: imcasey has replaced WeeTee. Everyone say hi! Hi imcasey and welcome to Arlen. We may not have all those fancy city "disco clubs" or high tech "theme parks", but you'll find that our town members are God-fearing productive citizens who understand the importance of a well kept lawn. You should go find the chairman of your neighborhood block charter to get started. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:39 kushm4sta wrote: I dont know dude... he seemed like such a better lynch than everyone else to me. Hi new guy! Well for example, you were very outspoken and probably wrote the most about why he should be lynched. That makes me think your motivations were genuine. Of course I'm going to go through your filter when I look at everyone else's but I think your vote for cubu was townish. My first goal is to try and figure out if there was anyone who voted for cubu who: -had scummy posting/behavior outside of their cubu vote -didn't seem at all genuine or invested in their cubu vote | ||
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On September 04 2012 17:00 KillingTime wrote: Sorry I thought we are not meant to discuss things until after the night post or did I misunderstand? and this just means we can't start voting again until after the night post? No we can talk during the night. That quote is referring to a hypothetical scenario where the host is unable to make the night post on time. night post = lynch results | ||
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On September 04 2012 16:26 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: You're saying we're focus too little on motives? The motive of flying under the radar is to just sit back while the town starts flinging poo on eachother. I'm still not sure what your motive of making generic posts was. Maybe someone who followed XXIV can chime in? Thrawn, it seems like you were playing that game? I'm not exactly sure what you want me to chime in on but I'll talk about scumhunting priorities that you and stutters seem to be arguing about. In XXIV, there was a massive shit-flinging fight between shady and I. There were people who thought shady was being completely illogical, and there were people who though I was being completely illogical. The vote was closely split between shady and I and shady ended up getting lynched. But the people who voted for either of us voted on the premise that illogical posting = scum. There weren't any good scum-motive explanations for either shady or my actions and the votes were completely based on "well this guy says dumb stuff." Then D2 I got lynched and flipped vigilante, and once again nobody was voting based off scum-motive suspicions. The case against me was that my vig claim was unbelievable, and there was an association case against me because another player and I had made extremely similar posts at the exact same time which made people think that we were in conversation with each other as scum. Meanwhile there was a player who had been saying extremely illogical stuff, but most people gave him a town read because they thought there'd be no way that a scum would be so illogical. His actual actions/votes were so extremely scummy throughout the whole game. However, people ignored that because they were spending too much time trying to make reads based on the quality of his posts, when instead they should have been looking at his motives behind the posts. The point is motives>quality of posts in terms of importance to making reads. That was the reason I favored lynching stutters over cubu. They both were heavy lurkers without much actual contribution in the few posts they had made. The people who voted for cubu did it because the quality (reasoning, writing style, and relevance to the thread) of stutter's posts was much higher than cubu's. So in their eyes, having low quality posts (see my earlier definition of quality) makes you look scummy. I didn't think that was a good assumption to make, and I preferred voting stutters because stutters had done less scumhunting than cubu. At the time of deciding between the two, the only scumhunting stutters had done was the very last paragraph of this post. Cubu of course hadn't done as much scumhunting as most poeple, but his contributions towards finding scum were more than what stutters gave. It was a vote based on motives instead of quality... somebody who doesn't scumhunt (ask questions, state what you find scummy, accuse people with FOS and such) is not a town player. | ||
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On September 04 2012 22:53 drazak wrote: I don't think I'm going to try and make any reads until we see who mafia kills. I think Stutters and Kville are both good options at the moment, and I'd really still like to see kville go because he made almost no contributions. Regarding lynching Cubu, it wasn't due to how his posts looked, I could care less. I felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out. A lot of my posts will have and have had poor formatting. You "could care less" how his posts looked yet you voted for him because you "felt the content of his posts was lacking and poorly thought out." That looks like a contradiction could you clarify what you meant? | ||
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On September 04 2012 23:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also if you "Could care less" that implies that you care at least a little bit. Horrible american use of the saying... I know what you mean though. lol gm league trolling from tyler Yeah, I agree with continuing on sharing reads. There's the reason for doing it in case you're night-killed, and also putting a stop on scumhunting will stifle discussion when D2 starts. | ||
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Kville is a huge problem. Here's a summary of his actions so far: His first post which is 12 hours into the game, is only to inform us: "Im not lurking! I just woke up!" In his next post, 6 hours later, he says that he's not in favor of a D1 lynch which isn't even possible. He also says that reads are pointless during D1. Then he self-votes. When asked why he self-voted, he said it was to make a point. His point was that trying to have any reads at all during D1 is a waste of time, therefore his vote on himself and his vote for another player have equal merit. If he doesn't like voting based on reads during D1, then why not vote for one of the lurkers? His vote is completely useless and is anti-town regardless of whether he's town/scum. I do not see his actions or opinions as logical. If we were to take his advice and not try to make any reads during D1, then we will have nothing to start with on D2. Even if a townie gets lynched on D1 it will at least cause people to commit to reads which we can later analyze for how genuine their read seemed. I pointed out that his logic and play are so unbelievably horrible that it must be trollling, and I asked him for an explanation as to what exactly it is he's doing by playing so anti-town. His response was this post where he not only didn't answer my question, he also said my interrogation of him looks scummy. What happened to his strong conviction that we shouldn't make reads during the first day? He goes out of his way to prove his point that making reads is useless, but immediately as I put pressure on him he abandons his "no reads on D1" policy in order to call me scummy? After the lynch he goes on about about his "scumhunting is worthless in D1" idea. So kville, according to you when is a good time to start making reads? Surely you don't think that we should continue to not make reads? So what is your read then, now that D1 is over? I see you voted for the replacement player imcasey but you didn't put it in the voting thread. Is this another one of your anti-town troll posts or do you have a read on him which for some reason you won't explain? Once again I want you to answer to why you're playing so incredibly anti-town. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote: Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win. Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:34 Kreb wrote: I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town. The problem with asking for a modkill is that there is always the extremely unlikely chance that he is town and actually thinks he is playing to win. There is also the problem that asking for a modkill under the condition that a player is a certain alignment puts the mod in a position where they would be unfairly giving out information. I think we should leave all discussion of modkilling to the mods unless he blantantly and unquestionably breaks rules. | ||
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If he continues on how he's been playing then I'm going to ignore him so I can focus on getting a solid scumread on someone else. If I'm unable to make a case I'm confident in and nobody else's cases look convincing, then I'm going to ask everyone who is in a similar situation to lynch kville. Is there anyone that thinks back-up plan lynching kville is a bad idea? I'd like to hear some possible town-motives for his posts or reasons to keep him around because I don't see any. He's definitely not everyone's strongest scumread, but it seems to be the consensus that his play is anti-town townie if not anti-town scum. It'll be similar to a D1 lurker lynch policy, in that we all will have an agreed upon alternative lynch plan if we fail to produce strong reads by the end of the day cycle. He is my strongest scumread because I see absolutely no town-motives behind his play, but I think we should pursue other cases for the time being because a read on kville is based off of so little information. (7 total posts) Say so if you agree or disagree, and then set the matter aside unless it needs to be brought up at the end of D2. | ||
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Links to previous posts are underlined. On kville: I feel like my last post made my thoughts on him pretty clear. If you want a more in depth explanation of my read on him, look here. My strongest town read right now is kush. His tendancy to jump to conclusions matches with how I saw him play town in our last game. It's only 1 game of course but in the meta department I gotta assign him some town points. I also felt like his vote on cubu was genuine. Misguided, but genuine. He's also one of the more active when it comes to scumhunting. Scum read: Out of all the lurkers, (exluding kville because nobody knew wtf to think about him) stutters was the one I thought was the scummiest. You can find reasons why in the last paragraph of this post, and in the big paragraph in this post. It's also worth pointing out that he hasn't posted in over 24 hrs as of now, and he's the only one who hasn't posted during the night cycle. My main motivation for considering him as a lynch candidate was because of how we all agreed to follow the lurker policy, and I thought he was the scummiest lurker. After the lynch I was willing to reconsider my read on him in favor of looking at the more active players, but that was under the condition that he starts contributing/scumhunting which he hasn't done. | ||
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What I'd agree on you with though are your comments on his cubu vote. That's one of the shortest explanations for a vote I've ever seen, and sonic pointed this out earlier: On September 05 2012 04:02 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:When looking at yesterday's voting pattern, there's really only one thing that pops up: At one point Cubu placed a vote on Kville to tie it up 2-2. At this point Jacob and Xatalos put down votes on Cubu. If Kville is maffia, it's possible Jacob or Xatalos wanted to push Cubu's wagon to save him. This gives some extra weight behind the case for lynching Kville, as it may give us information on Jacob and Xatalos. If Kville is maffia I highly doubt both Jacob and Xatalos are scum though, so the information we would gain is limited. I want to avoid making association reads if possible so I don't think the "if kville mafia then xatalos or jacob mafia" is a very strong argument to make until we have absolute confirmation of kville's alignment. However I don't even think kville's alignment needs to be brought into discussion. I think it is extremely likely that at least one mafia voted for cubu. Xatalos's reasoning for voting cubu was extremely weak. That is enough to make his vote look scummy. Other people that had weak cubu votes were killingtime and WeeTee. In the case of Weetee I'm going to reserve judgment until his replacement starts posting. So in summary, to me it looks like xatalos's vote was most disingenuous, with killingtime as a close runner up. Go through the filters of the people who voted for cubu and ctrl+f search for posts about "cubu" made before the lynch and you'll clearly see that killingtime and xatalos were less involved with the case than the other voters. Gonna wait to see xatalos's response, and in the meantime I'm going to look at killing's filter. | ||
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