EPTI'm going to be drunk most of tommorow but if it doesn't start before then I guess It will be fine. Also first game.
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I'm going to be drunk most of tommorow but if it doesn't start before then I guess It will be fine. Also first game. | ||
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Also I agree with low post count doesn’t mean bad content. | ||
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On September 02 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote: Are people ok with NOT lynching anyone first night or is this generally thought of as bad play? Because honestly it seems impossible to have a good idea of who is mafia by then. Last game everyone was like we NEED to lynch someone, and we ended up lynching WeeTee, an innocent! I love all my townies and I don't want to kill any. To lynch or not to lynch that is the question! But lynching does give information which is something that is normally lacking in the first day. If we didn't lynch then the second day would be much like the first (confusion etc..) But I was watching last game so I know what you mean. Besides the town with bad arguments or the ones that don't post normally get lynched first (or the ones that panic which is understandable) so it's not like we lose a really valuable analyst if we lynch first day. | ||
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okok I get it... about a thousand people explain to me why my idea is bad. Mafia thinks to themselves, "hmm here is something obvious I can post about that wont make me look suspicious." Haha like you can talk. You did just triple post before  But maybe Killings responce was pointless considering it was already answered. But on the flip side it does concrete that that is a bad idea and it's his first post of the thread. | ||
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On September 02 2012 15:50 kushm4sta wrote: Didn't you already do it here? Yeah that is a complete quote not a section of a quote. OH I see now I was removing the JacobStrangelove wrote: part at the start. I'll see if this works. | ||
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On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote: At first I thought kushm4sta looked suspicious, but in the end, I really doubt Mafia would go on such a rampage of careless posts - they would much rather hide and wait for good opportunities. Then there's this post that he just posted: A very proactive post with good reasoning. kushm4sta is looking strongly town to me at the moment. Ha! the ball is starting to roll. I honestly agree with the mafia would be less likely to go on a drunken rampage like kush is displaying. (but it is an amazing tactic{takes notes}) Also he pointed out the long day and the strange wording of Krebs message. Being my first game I completely missed the fact that in a 48 hour day you should be able to get way more than a slight read on anybody. However "closer to the deadline" doesn't mean waiting till the last minute. In other words for not saying much Krebs has almost covered himself with this wording. I guess we should see how long is "closer to the deadline" actually is. Also to thrawn, he probably can't justify it however if he is gone for 15 hours he may as well put a post down on whoever looks the worst. Oh and I didn't have a clue what the reference was and was completely confused. :/ | ||
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On September 02 2012 19:34 kushm4sta wrote: I'm automatically extra suspicious of you because I think it would be very easy for mafia to hide behind your careful, intellectual playstyle. On another note, we are still awaiting first posts from WeeTee, Kville, and Stutters695. You would hope everyone uses an interlectual playstyle town and mafia though wouldn't you? Not a good reason to be suspicious in my opinion... I think you are just OMGUS-ing each other. | ||
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On September 02 2012 20:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Does your thinking kush and I are omgusing each other mean you have town reads on us? Town until proven otherwise. But I start with everyone as town reads, town is my neutral. From that I balance all the strange/illogical things people say on a scale and whoever starts getting high I look into. I do kinda read Kush as town as (while I have only seen him play one game) it does look kinda similar to how he played last time. As for you completly null at the moment. Also yeah it doesn't justify a vote. (maybe with him sleeping{although sleeping for 15 hours?}) But you have to start somewhere. Also thanks for reminding me about FoS. Now that I think about it that would have been completly more appropriate. For example if he votes now but doesn't do much at the other end of the day I would suspect him a lot. However if at the other end he provides arguments and such/changes vote I would think he is just over enthusiastic. (unless something else strange occurs) | ||
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On September 02 2012 23:09 KillingTime wrote: When we call for an “active” thread - I think what we mean is players making logical cases and then responding to them. JacobStrangelove: Almost every post in your filter thus far is wishy washy and lacking in any content - your conclusion on lynching lurkers? It comes down to instinct. On nolynch day one: You disagree(only acceptable response to that dumb question) - but do “know what you mean”. On my first post? “Maybe it was pointless.. but on the flip side”. You have managed to be active without any content on even the most innocuous of debates - scummy until you get more involved with the thread. Well first I would like to deal with this; I do have a very back in forth style of conversation. One of my strengths/problems I that have a very open minded approach. I don’t work on scum or not scum I work on the probability and likelihood. On September 02 2012 19:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: I honestly agree with the mafia would be less likely to go on a drunken rampage like kush is displaying. This is amplified when there is so little to go on. Also I don’t see much difference between your first post. On September 02 2012 15:19 KillingTime wrote: Good Morning All, (and Glhf). It has been a bit of a wait but it's nice to be getting started. I don't think no-lynch is a good idea - at the very least a lynch discussion generates some substantive posts that can be analysed later. Without a lynch discussion we will have a tougher time D2, because policy/activity/setup chatter is pretty much a Null read.And ofc, we are aiming to hit scum... And mine On September 02 2012 11:33 JacobStrangelove wrote: I guess part of it comes down to instinct and analysing what you can such as who defends them and why. We both refer to analysis (not just instinct) and another thing I noted If we go back to my other post regarding no lynch (posted before yours) we find this On September 02 2012 12:48 JacobStrangelove wrote: To lynch or not to lynch that is the question! But lynching does give information which is something that is normally lacking in the first day. If we didn't lynch then the second day would be much like the first (confusion etc..) But I was watching last game so I know what you mean. Besides the town with bad arguments or the ones that don't post normally get lynched first (or the ones that panic which is understandable) so it's not like we lose a really valuable analyst if we lynch first day. So we are both talking about the exact same thing. I say second day would be much like the first and right after you say it will be tougher day 2. So I don’t think you can fairly say I have been more or less inactive than you have. The only thing that makes you “less scum” is the fact you posted a list of people you have slight reads on. In your second post after waiting a fairly large amount of time. From your first post I got the impression you just woke up (looking at time zones you are in euro I might be correct) Basic maths not my strong point. (That said you might have had work) Now while this conviction makes you seem more town it’s easy to say you have a scum read on everyone afk such as weetee so this doesn’t put you in any trouble. There is already some tension on Sonic so he is also a safe “weak read” So I do have some reads. These are obviously slight reads but aren’t they all. In order of most scummy. Scum: Killing time: I do read you as scum you post twice one with a very safe set of people to accuse (apart from myself to this point) and you were missing for a large period of time with no apparent reason. Sonic: I am also unsure about sonic due to the point you brought up regarding him being a fluffy poster as well. That said (I am doing this again I know...) what he said about it fitting everyone in the thread so far also is a sound argument. However my initial scum read was sonic. (due to fluffy posting) only question is why would a sonic Killing time team act this way? Drazak: Looking at his pre-game very active at many different times when game starts almost nothing 3 posts that make almost anyone’s “fluffy posting” look like logical geniuses. Cuba: Lurk factor (just appeared!) Funny he would mention the mafia lurking when he seemed to be lurking But these are only first impressions so we shall see. Townies Xatalos: I think he is providing good solid posts asking questions. Kush: probably town or a really twisted scum. Mostly likely town though as I said in my other post “(I honestly agree with the mafia would be less likely to go on a drunken rampage like kush is displaying.)” Thrawn: Only a very slight town read active ready to throw around accusations etc.. Doesn’t seem like scum behaviour. No clue WeeTee: going to withhold judgment as I have nothing. Killing mentioned that having a fluff entrance post is bad at this time in the discussion but honestly I probably would have entered the same way. Only difference is I would post more after though. Kreb: Maybe a scum read but not enough to put him in there. His “list” is basically just agreeing with everything except the one person that is controversial. Possible Kreb/Killing team? Kville: only post is not lurking just woke up. (you sleep for a while) this does match up actually. If you look at his pregame post Kville United States. August 29 2012 22:00. Posts 99” and his not lurking post “Kville United States. September 02 2012 22:57. 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On September 03 2012 01:22 KillingTime wrote: Leaving aside your other points for the moment - I don't think that this is a fair accusation. I posted once in the morning when I had woken up and saw the game had begun, and again in the afternoon when there had been some more discussion in the thread. I will probably try to make a longer post again this evening. I feel that is a good activity level. Ehh that sounds fair. I more posted that for that clarification. | ||
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On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: As for the active players, I want to see more out of JacobStrangelove. His posts have failed to impress. His biggest contribution to the thread so far is typing up a list with short explanations for his reads on everyone. That is not scumhunting. Anyone can type up a list and include short justifications for early reads. A town player is more focused on actively contributing towards the process of finding scum and that's not what I'm seeing out of Jacob. I am not sure what you mean by not actively hunting scum. I have been looking at the lurkers pregame posts and finding things that match and things that don’t make sense. For example I rationalised at the time since the Kville posts were so close in time that he had only just started his active online time. However now that he hasn’t posted anything he could very well be a panicking mafia. If he just woke up you would assume he would post by now. (also did the same with Drazak but in this case got suspicion however he said he just woke up and it would take a few hours) But in this case Cuba is defiantly more mafia than Kville is. Because you would assume a mafia would at least post something slightly substantial to try and get “posting points” Cuba fits this bill nicely. He posted a practically useless post about numbers and saying we should lynch the lurkers. He is a lurker himself however if he is going with a strategy of lynch the person who lurks the most then obviously all he needs to do is post more than they do. If such a strategy occurred that might be 2 or so free kills for mafia before he is lynched (bussed or whatever you call it) and by that time mafia would have a really good chance of winning. (Assuming the mafia maintain a fairly active stance). On September 03 2012 07:43 KillingTime wrote: Jacob, I did not find your response to me very helpful, it was clearly contradictory for you to say that my reads were very/too safe and then give the "reads" that you did. I don't have any more scumhunting to offer at the moment though so I will nod off and see what the morning brings. So you are saying it’s safe to put you as scum xD But there might be a difference between safe and obvious. Such as Cuba. You are slowly working back to town on my list but I am still not convinced. Just seemed like how I would play mafia. I would be far less likely to fluff post due to being accused of fluff posts (can’t have fun *sob* people to kill *sob*) Ok so kush is back! (and the games begin) (btw I would argue that maths isn’t part of universal laws of nature but to avoid wish wash I won’t{the concept behind... oh never mind}) So it seems the focus is on cuba/drazak. This seems a logical approach due to both lurkers not posting anything of worth or hardly anything at all. Drazak sleeps at strange hours (Which I completely understand) but it is still odd. Most of what I have is circumstantial evidence. Also he is inactive in other threads. Cuba is now a higher scum read than killing is. Although I admit I might have a slight bias against someone with killing in his name. Writing this I seem to have forgotten about Kreb, I haven’t noticed anything unusual about him it seems. Responded well to his attacker/s and such. I am far more likely to town read WeeTee now, he has posted more listed reasons(more so than most lurkers to the point where he isn’t lurking). Also a good reason for thinking kreb is town. Putting yourself on a list probably raises your town credit (I just thought it was amusing at the time) However if people start doing it now it won’t change anything. On September 03 2012 09:05 WeeTee wrote: anddd kush and thrawn are here! If you guys were a scum team I'd facepalm I dream of the day when Kush and Thrawn roll mafia together. The way they act would just be... perfect. So in short I am ehing and mehing over killing. Very convinced something is odd about cuba mostly convinced about Drazak. Towning WeeTee and everyone else have dropped off the radar. | ||
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On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote: guys, before you lynch me, how about we go on with the plan of lynching the lurkers? Lynching the lurkers who have posted completly nothing is 50-50 could be bored town could be terrified mafia or terrified town you never know. You however are lurking (only one post longer than one line and that post is just statistics) and if you read what I wrote. I explain why you are a better choice. (than kville who I assume you are reffering to{but also not pick a lurker to lynch!}) You are not being decisive (you say lynch the lurkers.) What lurkers? Do you not want to be connected to the lynch? Sounds like scum to me. You have plenty of time to prove me wrong though. While lynching active members is more 25% chance or whatever (not going to go into the maths) you aren't exactly what I would call active. So in lynching you we ARE lynching a lurker. On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote: and its cubu, not cuba Sorry about that. Just habit I guess. | ||
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On September 03 2012 14:42 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: So what's the concensus on list-making? I was the one promoting lists in the first place, I thought it was a good idea. Stutter's point a valid but I feel like it's just as easy, if not easier, to hide behind a wall-of-text. Some wall-of-text posters (I'm looking at you Strangelove), seems post reads even on players he has no reads on. Not necessarily scummy, but it doesn't help us. If you have reads you think are good there's no reason to drown them out by filling your post out with "non-reads". I'll have to admit the list idea didn't pan out the way I had hoped though. Hold on a second first I get accused of being wishy washy then when I change (as the game develops and more information comes out) I get accused of making lists then when I get told that is easy to do I change and I get accused of making walls of text? If I wasn't to write anything I would be accused of lurking... Everyone has a style they can hide behind, why not both. Have lists have walls of texts. (btw this is nowhere near the kind of walls of text I would normaly produce) I do like a little flavour in my posts... Also I did mention non reads incase people asked me about "what do you think of x person" This shouldn't be a reason for an accusation or suspicion. (see second last paragraph) It seems like I am getting set up for a day two or three lynch. My reasoning behind this is I seem to being baselessly accused in a by the by manner so when they get the opportunity people will remember me as someone suspicious. Also to Kush yeah Sonic I and Killing are actually fairly close in play style, this is probably why we don't trust each other at all. That said going out to uni will be back in several hours. | ||
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Kville I find hard to believe would be mafia. Posting twice? Could be a great bluff strategy but honestly I think he got into the game and thought. Ahh who cares. That said he isn’t useful in the game unlike Drazak. Although apparently his previous activity was high in other mafias. I haven’t got time to check that and it was coming from Drazak but interesting to consider. Drazak: I maybe biased towards the one person who thinks I am town but he seems more like a mildly scared town (as opposed to a really scared mafia see Cubu) Most of it is vibe based however as he said if we lynch him we have less to go on than if we don’t. So leaving him in the game at least temporarily is more useful So I would vote (and probably will before bed unless a good argument comes up) Cubu first. Cubu: Need I say more? Could be a scared town but he reacted so horribly. Most likely an inexperienced mafia. Oh and about WeeTee. I would be hesitant to lynch him because his game activity last game was similar and he got lynched as town. So I will probably vote Cubu, Kville, Drazak. Unless one of the others or cubu comes in with a perfect argument I don’t see this changing much. | ||
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On September 03 2012 21:24 drazak wrote: My best read is cubu. He's tried to throw suspiscion, he stopped posting when he had nobody to lay thin accusations on. Cubu has posted only with low content, low value posts, he hasn't had any real reads other than discussing statistics and how afk I was. I think Cubu isn't a great D1 lynch though, which is why he doesn't currently have my vote, if he continues to have such low content posts tomorrow, he will certainly have my vote. Cubu is someone we can try to analyze tomorrow and figure out if he really is mafia, we can't analyze kville, and if we wait to lynch kville it's not going to get better, we don't even have a baseline for him. To that point, I'm someone you can analyze D2, you have several posts by me, with fairly decent content. Even if kville isn't mafia, he isn't helping anyone. In addition, I felt that going for cubu would just be bandwagoning at this point, which as town doesn't help me at all, espescially considering I do have my own unique thoughts, which I have shared with everyone. This is a great point however. At least after somebody gets lynched we will have a lot to work with. But I did think the sudden change was a bit much but it was explained in a resonable manner. | ||
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Also what about stutters? I forgot him, in what ever case the more information argument comes in. Stutters as provided something more than both. So more likely to have more to work with day two. I'll watch a movie and be back, need time to think about it. | ||
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On September 04 2012 10:40 Kville wrote: O.O ##vote imcasey Haha that was almost my reaction to having thrawn in the thread. Just policy lynch him but jokes aside.We had 8 votes on cubu, 5 of which were town at least. (Some of the mafia might have when they realised it was a good lynch started up other lynches to seem town) (Part of the reason I still am not ruling out killing time)In my opinion there were far better people to lynch than WeeTee (now imcasey) although he did change his vote. The problem is it was such a good lynch. (At least at the time when I left the thread) There was little talk of a stutters lynch. And Drazak had just become active. So who started the bandwagon? Who joined in?(in a strange manner) I am almost sure one of the three sonic, myself or killing is mafia. More killing because he promised a (probably longer post in the evening then just said goodnight.) Admittedly this is a really weak reason. That said I believe sonic said something was up (with cubu) and then kush and I latched on. Just noticed kerb posted and Xatalos posted. We shouldn’t feel too bad about it but it is annoying. YES Exactly Kreb about the weak lynch *cough* Killing *cough* also good point about who was opposed. However I thought sonic started the suspicion? + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2012 00:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: If that was the case, then Kville, TeeWee, dazark and you would be prime candidates. You're the ones flying under the radar atm. The observations you make in this post are both obvious and have been covered earlier in the thread. It isn't very convincing and it makes you suspicious. I'm sorry if it's just due to inexperience, but if you want to contribute you need up your level of analysis. To update my list: Townie: kush xatalos thrawn Scum: teewee cuba Killer and Kreb dropped from suspect list due to solid contributions. When did he become a sceptic? Was it after he got the ball rolling? To Xatalos I would simply wait for Imcasey to start posting. Stutters would be a stronger read for me but that is just my opinion. And now Sonic posts. It is true shouldn’t read too much into it but is this because you started this? | ||
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On September 04 2012 17:00 KillingTime wrote: Sorry I thought we are not meant to discuss things until after the night post or did I misunderstand? and this just means we can't start voting again until after the night post? Oh... never seen that before. I assume it's just not voting but it might be good to remain low key just incase. | ||
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So what do you think now? I have been ranting at you for a while (maybe misguided) but you could give me something to go on. You also mention that it is "Kush's Cubu wagon" any particular reason for this? Just thought it was slightly strange that you would point out who started the wagon in particular.Also you could have a scum motivation for trying to stop people talking at night. Just saying. Also here Leaving aside your other points for the moment You left them aside forever. The only other comment you seemed to make was Jacob, I did not find your response to me very helpful, it was clearly contradictory for you to say that my reads were very/too safe and then give the "reads" that you did. You would think you could come up with something better than that? When people accuse me of things I list reasons why it's illogical and such. You seem to be hiding under short posts now. | ||
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Haha, It's not so much the meaning or the straight logical definition it's the imposibility of telling how much someone could care. For example I would go I don't care much. I couldn't care less is also a problem as most people do care (why I didn't say he was wrong just saying the saying in it's self is annoying. But... I only brought it up because you said it was a contradiction when it might not have been. (also this shouldn't even be an issue I just don't have anything else to say now lol) | ||
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I would look at the Xatalos/Killing filters if I were you. They both seem to be starting a bandwagon. Xatalos starts it and then killing jumps on. I agree policy lynch on kville/stutters might be a problem considering the place it would leave us in.(if they flip town) That said I want to know more about you guys (kville and stutters) go out there say stuff. You are likely to get lynched before these guys so try and help us out. Also you would think he would wait for imcasey to start posting. I could be wrong so anyone feel free to point out any illogic here. | ||
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On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote: I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying. | ||
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That kind of theory crafting is how my head works... I might just keep it to myself though and only post my stronger theory crafting I guess... I guess a more easy to understand method without including you and xatalos would be.. Kush is getting pushed on by Darzak who had both the people against him lynched. This makes it more likely that he is scum than kush is but we shouldn't fall into the trap if thinking kush is confirmed town just because thrawn thought so. | ||
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Like we said before Kville is the back up lynch if we can't get a for sure lynch. This is why I am trying to put the pressure on other people in hope of a slip. We still have plenty of time in the day though. | ||
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The reason I am putting the pressure on Killing and Xato so much is so they explain what is going on. Assuming you are not mafia the likelyhood of one of them being one is high. So I agree we should put the heat on him that is what I have been trying to do. I haven’t commited to Xato as I am waiting for a response. Your and thrawns stutters read does make sense... motivation over activity. Whose analysis was I latching onto there? The only analysis part I latched onto was the first line. From kush going for Xatalos onwards that was all mine. (With exception to the wagon when tired up part) I am confirming parts of other people’s analysis that makes sense. Also the case against kush isn’t strong, as I said before you (not bad wagoning I promise...) It leaves more reason to Drazak being scum than Kush. On September 05 2012 18:12 JacobStrangelove wrote: Kush is getting pushed on by Darzak who had both the people against him lynched. This makes it more likely that he is scum than kush is but we shouldn't fall into the trap if thinking kush is confirmed town just because thrawn thought so. I probably should point out that part of the reason I had a town read for WeeTee is that I happen to know his style (see his first post where he mentions it’s good to see me) and it reeks of town. With this (although he may have fooled me) I thought Xatatos read of WeeTee when Stutters was available strange. Also with killing he is sceptical of “meta” reads On September 03 2012 23:57 KillingTime wrote: My point was that I did not think your town reads added much to the thread, partly because I am very sceptical of "meta" reads at this point given that we all have 3 or less games. Sure but its more information, that can only be helpful. If WeeTee fits his meta (he does) and he fits the meta I know he is unlikely to be scum. This and the fact that he had to leave due to time problems(although that may have been after my time line is a little messed up) then surely stutters were a better lynch. For this reason I have been thinking that killing is mafia sudo protecting stutters. Since the focus is on me now I need to say The Killing /xatalos thing was simply a hypothesis I was using to draw them out. (It was based on someone else’s analysis yes) It drew out Killing and he responded well. (although it was list like) So I am simply waiting for Xatalos to reenter the thread. If he reenters the thread and doesn’t post good responses I will turn the dogs in my head towards him. | ||
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Yes I did throw around connections and because of that I now know that both you and killing are far less likely to be scum. Remember there are town motivations for accusing people especially early day one when you don’t have much to go on. You can look at the reactions and see how people respond or ignore things. For example, Xatatos just re-entered the thread and didn’t mention a thing about the accusations against him. Whereas both you and killing have without giving me much to go on(in way of mafia reads). I tend to scum hunt differently because if I can confirm enough people town logically the rest must be mafia. Then you can look at the people remaining and go from most suspicious to least. Of course I find the argument weak there was almost no argument strong at all day one. Wouldn’t lynch cubu because cubu was an easy day two lynch. I have been taking a risk with killing insinuations however due to that and the responses I have gotten as I said in the last through posts he is getting more and more town like. Opposed to Xatatos. I doubt it is still the best course of action to vig shoot kville. While it is odd to go from random to logical and clear. (something I should try doing it seems) Maybe he got a prod from one of the mods about the rules? Not sure if that happens (and it would only happen as town) also if he does start posting like this then we should be able to find something out quickly. Stutters is still under the radar, this is not mindless agreeing this is fact. Happy about your comment on killing Turns out I need to go so I will cut this off here and be back later. | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: Who are you talking to? Can you try harder to make your posts understandable? Like if you are replying to something make it clear what you are replying to. Hey I was in a hurry 10 min before the train left. I was talking to sonic. Will read and bbl. | ||
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But you want people to chime in so I will just to be clear I will state what I think is happening feel free to correct me. We are discussing Kville being bad town according to Kush and you are focusing on Drazzak. Kreb is saying Drazzak as a town read and then kville as a focus point. Assuming we are ignoring stutters (who is the person I would go for over xatalos due to the useful town problem if the flip goes wrong) I will chime in. I think you are both wrong in some respects. First off Kush might have a slight OMGUS syndrome to drazak and Kreb is doing a horrible job defending Drazak (with the over analysis part). Considering that xatalos and drazak are under suspicion there could be a connection but I will have to look into it for myself. Just stating what is going on. While his case was suspicious, on kush it was impossible. A mafia wouldn’t push a case that is so blatantly hard to even get rolling. I considered it however decided soon after that it was not the case. This is very important. It’s literally an impossible case. The read kreb has on drazak is fine for the most part with the exception to the guilt thing. That is a way over analysis... that is kind of the stuff I do. When I do that stuff though I don’t make it my all in all case for truth it’s just circumstantial. You spent way to long on that one line while it is true it’s only a slight and I mean SLIGHT bonus read for drazak. Honestly I would go with drazak as more of a town read(because of him pushing an impossible case) but I haven’t checked on on the xatalos/drazak defence yet. So I will post this and do that now. | ||
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On September 06 2012 17:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Sleeping strange hours and moving is townie? Drazak is pretty much a null read for me atm. I am just saying he was mostly lurking day one but he had reasons. Sure he might be mafia with these same reasons but we are talking about real reasons that really happened. After that he has been much more active and helpful, this was not the extent of it though read the post right above this and you see my comment about pushing such a solid townie at the time. This said there has been some discussion over kush at the moment now that things have calmed down. (will get to this later) On September 06 2012 17:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: 1. I just wanted to include it so that my post would be a fair representation of your suspicion of KillingTime (the post might be helpful later). Fair enough. On September 06 2012 17:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: 2. Could you provide a post where you explain those town reads clearly? Your writing is really confusing so you need to straight that up. I will list the townish people most I have given reasons for before. Sonic Myself! Imcasey Drazak Killingtime(but I am watching him with a 10 foot pole) Kreb This leaves Stutters Kville xatalos and kush just now (who I am becoming aware of) Looking at this list kush defends stutters by avoiding talking about him (see drazaks post) this also leaves us seeing xatalos semi defending stutters. Kville is nowhere. See with a list like this town and scum you can see the links. A kush stutters xalalos team could be the answer. I would vote stutters instead of kville as if we vote kville we get nothing from he flip but you can see what we would gain from a stutters flip. HOWEVER stutters just posted turning my thoughts to confusion. To be open I will post this the way it was going to be but including stuff referring to the stutters thing. He says we won’t gain from a stutters flip if he flips town. If he flips scum however we would gain everything. So he says lynch killing. If killing flips mafia then I am probably confirmed town “yay” but if he flips green town town will instant lynch me. Which if stutters is mafia would win the game. Also would like to point out that a lynch on kville reveals nothing as well. Associative cases are pretty bad I must admit but they can provide a little information. On September 06 2012 17:15 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: 3. Why were you attacking KillingTimes though? Please explain the reason you've been attacking him all game and what it was in his postings that made you think he looks more town now. Btw it's really easy to slip away from questions by not quoting the post you're replying to, so please reply to these questions. I was attacking killingtime because he seemed to be ignoring the things I said about him in favour of just posting reads. The reason I town read you is you seem to have responded better initially so I temporarily town read you. I was getting frustrated as his semi avoidant approach however as the game went on he started replying in a manner that I would expect. The reason I attacked you and killing time so much is I realised you both thought in the same manner so 1. If you were both mafia we were screwed unless I could force you to make a slip early. 2. By attacking him I could have more to look at 3. If I could confirm you guys town it would make scum hunting so much easier. It wasn’t so much about scum slips you had made (I was just nitpicking) it was about forcing the two most scary people. Into a situation they probably would. Part of the reason I think he is town now is I haven’t found anything unusual in his postings. (Apart from a growing annoyance of me which is to be expected and I apologise for) Although there might be something in stutters case just now. Drazak seems to be having the same idea On September 06 2012 18:05 drazak wrote: Accusations are how you gain information, you pressure people, find out what they're thinking, see how they react. I was pressured; generally you guys decided my reaction was town. I pressured kush and he scumslipped and you're not doing anything, wow. Although just a note kush is known for overreaction for no apparent reason. Yeah I understand, I was just really short for time at the time and wanted to get a post in reply up. On a side note how long till lynch? I think the night period messed up my internal clock. | ||
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I am going to bed in around 6 hours. If you haven't responded to krebs points in particular in a proper way I will likely vote you over kville. (as kville was the backup after all) | ||
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Stutters is actually making good points, like, really good points about killing. I have known something was up with killing all game and lets be honest while he hasn't defended himself the best it's ok for the moment (stutters). So until killing shows back up I actually have to vote for him. (although I hate the early force vote ;() I will however continue to look into xatalos and kville but as I have said before I don't agree with kville lynch. Completely not final still need to check things but we should start voting early like you said (I think kush?) I will probably end up voting Killing or Xatalos ##Vote KillingTime | ||
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The reason I am going for you currently is I prefer you over xatalos and xatalos over kville. Nobody else is on my list right now as stutters has appeared to be quite logical over the last few pages. I am using a style similar to the vote swapping style but without actually voting. (until now) Also combining this with the one player focus in a way. Admittedly I am doing this poorly. Link to scum hunting methods Also the fact that it is a stream of conscience style would only work in my favour as town (while being hard to read for the others) as it means I am being completely open and saying what I think. If I was mafia I would have to be the most amazing genius there is to consistently drop these kinds of posts without giving a watertight case to anyone. Also can you stop abusing my filter  It seems like an attempt to lower my credibility. While it is a unique style it’s not that bad is it? | ||
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On September 05 2012 22:55 Kville wrote: Well WeeTee Did get replaced which could be the reason why he was playing so "safe" and conservative. He badnwagoned to avoid a modkill in order to fulfill the replacement, so it seems. The fact that there is little to no evidence other than "he was playing safe" doesn't really seem like a sure vote to go for, unless you are trying for another mislynch. You vote and leave the first day and you do it again the second time. It seems like your strategy seems to be "POP" then lurk. which seems a bit suspicious. And making a Vigi shoot for a town for the reason of "just cuase" seems rather irresponsible and just loses a town at the end. You have a town read on me yet you still want to kill me off. Why lower the odds town in such a way? #FoS Xatalos He did say this about you though. Your motives for voting Imcasey were horrible (at the time at least, and imo still are) and he pointed it out. I too thought the just cause vig shot would be a very stupid idea. The vote on kville is a policy lynch (not without merit I might add) but you have been very flippent with your voting. Where did you lose your town read or is it still just a policy lynch? If it is a policy lynch and you don't think he is mafia you know where this would put us right? (well I understand bandwagoing to stay alive I guess) This is annoying because it looks like nobody is going to agree with my thoughts on killing so I set an alarm to wake me up 2 hours before the deadline. This should give me time to read the thread and make a decision. | ||
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On September 07 2012 07:40 Kreb wrote: Im barely reading this thread anymore since Kville came back. Its all just a shitfest last 2 pages. Cant we just put the thread on hold until he gets kicked out and resume after? No that's a horrible idea. | ||
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Also the change to kush is really really odd. Looks like not wanting to be connected to the lynch, nobody has votes on kush that is a day 3 case if anything. | ||
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On September 07 2012 10:06 kushm4sta wrote: Well at least he was a miller... Well mafia could role claim cop and go herp derp I though he was scum. (although I would assume there is a bread crumb) I have to admit I am very annoyed at kush sheeping but I think he is town. Need to look into drazak killing and kreb. xatalos is almost freed due to the kville flip with kville saying he is town (honest intentions at least and he did have reasons) Kreb maybe not as much as drazak and killing though. With the flip puts killing in a worse light and I am sure stutters agrees as he was his second scum read. | ||
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On September 07 2012 10:18 kushm4sta wrote: @ jacob yeah I sheeped because I didn't see anyone else that people would agree on. There was no other bandwagon that would work. And yeah I could have voted for someone else but that vote would have done nothing but given me "i told ya so" rights after the fact. yeah I know this is why I think you are town. I just think you limited the voting group a little to much trying to get a lynch. (before thie voting got going) On September 07 2012 10:18 kushm4sta wrote: Also how the f does this clear xatalos? Just because kville said xatalos is town does not make it so. I really fail to see your reasoning with that. Kville is not some expert analyst. He's a borderline troll who voted for himself d1. His playstyle is distinctly antitown. I would not want to be in another game that he is in. No that is true. But I think he is more town than killing is. I guess I jumped on the fact he promised to post more on the weekend and assumed he was town without time to make his reads as solid. Where as killing is un-commital and stuff. In my opinion then we should still look at xatalos but just not as much due to recent events. Well we should watch him anyway. I'll post a big thing on it tonight in anycase before the nk happens. | ||
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Drazak (although need to give it a little more thought) Killingtime On the Fence Xatalos Stutters Kreb (I feel he should be town but I haven't given it much though going to do that later) Town Sonic Iamcasey Kush | ||
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On September 07 2012 20:36 Kreb wrote: How can people have townreads on imcasey? Actually, how can people have any reads on him? He isnt doing more than his predecessor WeeTee. One weak case on Xatalos and barely posting. He is an absolute nullread. Which, considering we'll soon be down to 8 players, more and more looks mafia-ish. Yeah cause our thing of lynching lurkers has worked out so well for us. Or wait no it hasn't... we should lynch someone we can actually find a scum slip on not someone who is convenient. | ||
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Ok this is the start of a very long post as of such I will try to be as clear and concise as possible. Kreb you missed a large section of my argument for why WeeTee Imcasey is town. First off I will show you the backstory. If you look at WeeTees first posts it includes this. On September 02 2012 21:19 WeeTee wrote: Good to see you here @jacob should be a good game this time! It is evident that he and I know each other. Why else would he single me out? In other words I know how he plays. I know his meta better than anybody in this thread. Also watching his last mafia game he has used the exact same play style. Now you mention that it isn’t an imcasey read it’s a WeeTee read. Yes but they are the same person. It’s as if you put someone with multiple personalities in the thread but they are the same person. If I am 99% sure WeeTee is town I can assume that translates over to imcasey. Also there are plenty of reasons for the less posting style. With him having to leave this means he was unlikely to be able to form cases day one. Also with the replacement going into his first game a day in so much to read and this would also contribute to the lack of posting. I will post the part you missed about my argument for WeeTee. On September 05 2012 19:22 JacobStrangelove wrote: I probably should point out that part of the reason I had a town read for WeeTee is that I happen to know his style (see his first post where he mentions it’s good to see me) and it reeks of town. With this (although he may have fooled me) I thought Xatatos read of WeeTee when Stutters was available strange. Also with killing he is sceptical of “meta” reads Sure but its more information, that can only be helpful. If WeeTee fits his meta (he does) and he fits the meta I know he is unlikely to be scum. This and the fact that he had to leave due to time problems(although that may have been after my time line is a little messed up) then surely stutters were a better lynch. While the argument in context might be a little out of date the facts about WeeTee remain the same. Also there is this from kville (he was talking to xatalos at the time), while kville was a little trolish you can’t tell me this doesn’t make sense. On September 05 2012 22:55 Kville wrote: Well WeeTee Did get replaced which could be the reason why he was playing so "safe" and conservative. He badnwagoned to avoid a modkill in order to fulfill the replacement, so it seems. The fact that there is little to no evidence other than "he was playing safe" doesn't really seem like a sure vote to go for, unless you are trying for another mislynch. You vote and leave the first day and you do it again the second time. It seems like your strategy seems to be "POP" then lurk. which seems a bit suspicious. And finally we have nothing proven scum against him. I am sure if we examine the filters of people we can come up with a far better target. Non of this let’s backup vote imcasey stuff, that just makes it more likely the scum will spread confusion and force us to vote for him. Now I would also like to point out this. On September 07 2012 15:09 KillingTime wrote: ... well that is annoying. I agree that the reason that we ended up with a Xatalos v Kville situation was because we were all accusing each other. I said at the start of the day I really hoped that we could come up with a better lynch target.. but we did not. Scum have succeeded in thoroughly bamboozling me I have to say. I will look into the thread this evening and I'll be happy to answer questions from those who have suspicions of me. After the flip Kush and I immediately analyse it talk about it start making reads etc... Kililng comes in and makes a “annoyed post” and also says he is bamboozled and says he is happy to answer questions about himself. He makes no mention of scum hunting. Why? Because he doesn’t need to hunt scum, he is scum. This is another fluff post saying he is confused. Surely he would have an opinion on what happened. He says so much however his major posts are lists and he is very non committal. Surely someone else sees this! While my arguments up until this points haven’t been the clearest if you think I am town why do you think I hardly left Killings side. Intuition has to could for something and it has. He was not able to answer why he was so non committal his only reply was On September 07 2012 00:01 KillingTime wrote: First, if you feel I have been non-committal or weak in my play then I can only apologise and say this is my first game and I am definitely learning as I go. That is not an excuse, but it is the most likely explanation for "weak" town play on my part. I think Kreb, Drazak & Sonic are town, everyone else I am currently suspicious of. This is not really a reply, for me it is an excuse that anybody could use. Also his case on stutters is due to kush/xatalos pushing the conversation away from him. His one major non listed case was based on association. On September 06 2012 17:02 KillingTime wrote: Ok, having re-read through a bunch of filters today I think we should lynch Stutters695 - Yes his posting/lurking has been/is reason enough to lynch him. But, reading back through filters there has been way to much redirection of discussion away from him as a good lynch - particularly from kush. ... Now, this does not mean that both Kush & Xatalos are mafia if stutters flips - but that is WAY too much subtle redirecting of a target for me. Stutters is as scummy as anyone at this point, if he flips we will have some strong targets for d3. If we lynch him and he is not mafia, town is in a bad spot - but we are in a bad spot regardless of who we lynch if they flip and are not mafia (kreb has convinced me of this with his case against kville that there is no point not going for lurkers.). I would also like to point out that kush seems to be following his meta as well. Admittedly meta talk in a newbie game is a little hard but you would think rolling scum would mess with how they would act. Also if you notice stutters filter and replies I will tell you why he is likely town. He did have a slow start day one. Considering drazak kville weetee cubu all had slow day one starts two who are confirmed town and one who I pointed out seems confirmed town to me this is no reason for a scum read. What you should look at is the quality and logical reasoning in his filter. You should read the whole post but in particular. On September 06 2012 18:28 Stutters695 wrote: Please explain what part of my play has been more scummy than someone who has been trolling the thread and not contributed anything? ##FoS Killing Time I need to go through his filter but this isn't the first time he hasn't taken a stance on issues while posting "reads" that don't actually commit longterm. While kville did show up as town in the lynch he was an easy lynch, scum would want to lynch the slightly harder targets so they have a free win by the time they get to end game. For example if we lynched stutters it would be easy to convince town to lynch kville. If anything if we spent another day with him in the game we would have been frustrated into lynching him. Also he returns fire on killing time and is way more active engaged asking questions giving responces. He questions kush and drazak on the issues and responds on a manner I can only call logical. His filter isn’t filled with fluff so I suggest you read it for yourself as everything he says comes across in a pro town questioning way. Now I am going to transition to drazak. His vote on kush only caused confusion and was purely a slug fest with no real reasoning behind it. After being “caught out” as such by kville and stutters plus the kush argument he backs out and doesn’t comment. He hardly provides good reasons for his mistakes, Also he has a bad habit of calling kville useless. However enough of that I will provide posts and reasons. On September 06 2012 18:03 drazak wrote: My accusation wasn't out of nowhere, I made a read based on what happened, I reasoned, carefully. I saw that Kush wasn't scumhunting day 1. If you're not scumhunting, you're not furthering town, if you're not furthering town... you're mafia. I then saw kush slipped by overreacting to me. Feel free to poke holes in my actual reasoning instead of calling me scum for making a reasoned accusation. Kush wasn’t scum hunting day one? I’m a freaking unicycling unicorn. First his Kush isn’t scum hunting read is based on this. On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote: I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta But then his day one post was this On September 03 2012 21:24 drazak wrote: My best read is cubu. He's tried to throw suspiscion, he stopped posting when he had nobody to lay thin accusations on. Cubu has posted only with low content, low value posts, he hasn't had any real reads other than discussing statistics and how afk I was. I think Cubu isn't a great D1 lynch though, which is why he doesn't currently have my vote, if he continues to have such low content posts tomorrow, he will certainly have my vote. Cubu is someone we can try to analyze tomorrow and figure out if he really is mafia, we can't analyze kville, and if we wait to lynch kville it's not going to get better, we don't even have a baseline for him. To that point, I'm someone you can analyze D2, you have several posts by me, with fairly decent content. Even if kville isn't mafia, he isn't helping anyone. In addition, I felt that going for cubu would just be bandwagoning at this point, which as town doesn't help me at all, espescially considering I do have my own unique thoughts, which I have shared with everyone. The whole “even if kville isn’t mafia he isn’t helping anyone” isn’t this the same thing? They are both talking about lynching the worst townie however drazak covers himself better (something a scum would do over a town) refering to the bandwagon and trying to convince people he is town by pointing out he is town not just assuming everyone knows he is town. “which as town doesn't help me at all” This would be obvious if he was town. Anyway these are my thoughts on Drazak. Because of the lengh of this post I will save Krebs analises for my next post probably (if I find anything) My intuitive thoughts are “he has seemed town but he is saying some strange stuff that I need to look into.” | ||
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On September 07 2012 07:40 Kreb wrote: Im barely reading this thread anymore since Kville came back. Its all just a shitfest last 2 pages. Cant we just put the thread on hold until he gets kicked out and resume after? (however this would be unlikely to be said my mafia now that I think about it) and the fact he missed my case on imcasey. This guy seems as town as you get. I guess I should recheck sonic and xatalos and even kush while I am at it (although considering my scum reads I find this unlikely). But I strongly Suggest from my post above either a kililng or drazak lynch. It's 1 am though and I need to sleep for the morning so I must depart now. Although if I can't sleep I might be back. Just incase I die in the night before I post sonic seems more town than xatalos but he seems to also have it out for me. | ||
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@sonic Just what productive discussions are you referring to? If you were talking about the kush/drazak that could be the same thing. If you were talking about kville... well it is obvious what happened. The discussion was hardly there anyway. Honestly the productive discussions weren't all that productive and it did show a side of killing that is now very suspicious. Also stutters had not so useful posts day one but he has made useful posts day two. Unlike killing time who has avoided most things both days. Do you not notice or comment on the state of killings integrity right now? However this is speculation. I will now read through you filter. I would agree on your survival chances kreb :/ | ||
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However why should we need to role claim? It’s obvious who the vigilante is, medic is dead, if we have a roleblocker he hasn’t stopped anyone yet (so no evidence to know he is jailkeeper) unless the cop (if we have one) has good reads and has breadcrumbed them then we shouldn’t role claim. If he has got reads with breadcrumbs then he should be the one to decide if we role claim. Even then there could be a framer (sonic missed this) and god father in the scum team. If you know there is a role claim would benefit mafia. That said I am not completely against it. It is up to the cop but if he does role claim he is the next target as medic can’t save him. | ||
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On September 08 2012 14:35 KillingTime wrote: Kush has so far pushed Drazak, Kreb & Cubu - &FOS's xatalos. Leaving aside Xatalos, that is a 100% miss rate so far and now you are pushing me because my reads are too safe and non-committal. Welp, that is pretty funny. I have no idea why town should trust anything you say at this point. Also - I have no idea why you are asking that question because the vig has only one shot? I agree.with sonic that we should roelclaim at this point - we need all the info we can get because if we mislynch again we lose Maybe we shouldn't trust kush but I have a much higher anti hit rate. (not voting kville thought kreb was town was wary of drazak however but thought you would be better over him also kreb was going for drazak and it turns out he was wrong (and confirmed town)) Also I don't think he pushed kreb much at all apart from the first day (provide quotes past that?) If you want me to believe you post a full case not just accusations without quotes and context. Not only are you too safe and non commital you are also posting fluff (such as your day 2 night posts) and I have had massive amounts of circumstantial evidence against you all game. While you brushed them off and that would be fine if that is all we had now we have a solid case and those little things I was bugging you about. | ||
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On September 08 2012 21:49 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Still, from the last days I'm leaning townie on Kush, scum on Xatalos (although Kreb's point that it's a null read has some merit), currently I'm pretty neutral on Jacob and imcasey is a total null read. Jacob, could you address my post from yesterday? I don't understand the imcasey = sure townie argument. I don't have a lot of time atm so I won't throw out random team reads. I will make sure to be back later tonight though. I thought I addressed this in my long night post? I will check what you said though. | ||
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I am having trouble wording my thoughts so I will have to get back to the imcasey case(in response to you) in a minute. How can I and kush be so sure? Well there was a large section here but it turns out we shouldn't talk about the vig... I have saved what I wrote though to either support what I think is a true roleclaim or question one that seems fake. I am actually getting more and more suspicious of sonic. You are trying to raise a lot of doubts about casey for a day 4 5 lynch and you have a null read on me. How on earth after all this do you be neutral on me. On September 08 2012 21:49 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Still, from the last days I'm leaning townie on Kush, scum on Xatalos (although Kreb's point that it's a null read has some merit), currently I'm pretty neutral on Jacob and imcasey is a total null read. Jacob, could you address my post from yesterday? I don't understand the imcasey = sure townie argument. I don't have a lot of time atm so I won't throw out random team reads. I will make sure to be back later tonight though. In this post you basically list three null reads. (you say leaning scum on xatalos but you leave it open with the krebs point) But I just don’t understand how I can be a neutral read, I am 93 posts in on this thread. Not saying post count is an indication of town but I would have to be the freaking genius of the world to pull something like this off and not slip. Also your town read (obvious town read on kush) thinks I am town, kreb thought I was town, I was opposed to a kville lynch (who was town) and was going at killing all game (who seems most likely scum in the eyes of kush and I and now xatalos). Either I am mafia that looked at the other mafia players and went ehh who cares about them I’ma play for town or I am amazing, the other option of course is that I am town. You are being very vague. Also you have a habit of not voting for your scum reads. For example (as pointed out by stutters who seems against you and killing. On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote: Alright, a couple of thoughts. @Sonic Death Monkey You also say If you think Drazark is more scummy why would you ever consider Cubu over him? It's not like a flip on Cubu confirms anyone else's alignment this early in the game. Explain. (As a side note I've just contributed as much as Cubu in terms of scumreads, but you're missing my point from earlier still. It isn't how often you contribute its the intent and what you contribute.) I know you replied to this but it still stands that you voted for someone not your scum read. Stutters could be busing Killing time however his case was put up when I was the only one even kind of on him and even then I was doubting myself (at the time) also what you are doing is more bus style play. You are seeing there is a good argument and saying yeah I see your points. Maybe you are both bussing him. I mainly just want answers (simmilar thing to was I was doing to killing a while back) as we need everything we can get. | ||
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On September 09 2012 06:54 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Now to why I don't fully trust you. Early game you were very indecisive. The only case you had was the Killer case, but even that you didn't fully commit to. Now you claim imcasey is 99% townie and make confident statements about Killing, Stutters, drazak and vig reads. When I question some of those reads, you don't even respond. Why so confident now and why don't you answer those questions? It seems to fit scum strategy very well not to point too many fingers early game, just to push your agenda late game. Early game I was indecisive. Yes I was... while I hate saying this but it is my first game. I would obviously get more and more confident as I go while wrong some of the time we need to be decisive at this point in the game and it is getting easier and easier to see the patterns. Also why would I have been so confident of drazak as scum? I would have waited for now to be confident and try to separate the drazak lynch from myself. I am going to respond to the imcasey read in a while (need to get thoughts together in the light of stutters as most likely vig (he has breadcrumb and I doubt we are getting a counter claim) I am going to post what I wrote about who I thought was vig because I promised I would but it seems kinda pointless now. I would also like to note I completely forgot stutters existed in this case so that is where I was wrong. How can I and kush be so sure? Well we both think it is imcasey. Well for one I know it isn't me. This is a good start. I have such a strong town read on kush and he claims to not be it (seemed to not be it before he claimed requested it on someone else (kville before)) also xatalos wanted vig to kill kville. Killing is probably mafia and that leaves you and casey. You wouldn't have taken the shot. For one you didn't have the time to think about it and it doesn't seem like something you would do so I surmised it was casey. Turns out I completely missed the fact stutters was in the game, I feel so stupid. (the vig thing made everyone stupid though lets be honest...) But can you re-list the questions you had for me. (about anyone else I have your casey list) Also I was going to bring you up on something that I thought you didn't reply to (turns out I forgot to include it -_-) but I will ask you now. If stutters went too hard at killing to be a bus and he is almost positive town now, then doesn't your style seem rather bus like. For example the stutters killing was to... aggressive to be a bus however you say "good points" and you passively agree about killing time. You seem to passively agree about xatalos. You are only actively going at imcasey. It is really unlikely that you and imcasey are a scum team so my question is are you scum passively busing your two scum mates and betting because of that you can get a lynch on imcasey? Honestly at this point I have said it before and I will say it again. The game seems to be down to is imcasey scum or sonic. I am sure you can agree one of them must be town. (there is a slight chance xatalos is town but we can deal with this tomorrow game time) This is why the casey read is so important and I need to start working on that when I am not tired. I will probably need a massive post on this which is why I am only popping in at the moment when I am tired. (woke up early) But for now ##Vote Killing Time | ||
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I think it is possibly a xatalos killing sonic team. But need to research it. If kush is mafia he probably deserves to win. However, if you and stutters are both town then the game is probably lost. I really want to see what stutters thinks because he is pretty much confirmed town. If I can prove imcasey innoccent then I would be fine voting for sonic but I would have to see what stutters thinks. (also sonic is safe with him being in both mafia teams if imcasey is town) Wait looking back that makes no sence though. If imcasey is innocent then he can't be in the scum team. Hmm... What do you think stutters, I am fairly sure about what I think about killing being scum however it would be good to hear a revised opinion. Also killing what was your scum team before the vig call and what do you think it is now. | ||
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What do you guys think killing, stutters kush, and xatalos. Sonic and imcasey feel free to chip in as well. | ||
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Drazak was against kush but who was with and against him? I was undecided (although mostly against to my shame) because why would mafia hit such a high profile town (imo at the time) but he seemed scummy in motivation. However now we know he is town.... lets look at sonics, imcasey(if there is anything) xatalos and killings filters about it. Sonic was thinking drazaks case was bad and was saying kush was omgus-ing. Drazak was town. On September 07 2012 18:29 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I’ve been reading through the arguments against Kush but didn’t focus too much on it yesterday because I think it makes more sense to discuss it now. My reaction to reading through the exchange between Kush and drazark was that Kush went into a pretty heavy OMGUS-mode (wrt to those 4 posts he made in response). Is this what you find to be scummy, drazark? Or is there more to it that I have missed? Could you please condense your argument to what you believe to be the most valid points? Also xatalos was a huge defender of kreb and drazak both town. Kush has had a 100% miss rate (killings filter) Kreb said role claim sonic didn’t say to role claim would only help town (exception to a cop) if vig claimed and it did help. Sonic, Kush seems to be in cohorts. I know this might seem a bit much considering how strong I was on killing until recently. But this is after lynch theoretical. However I think with sonic being in both of my mafia groups I would be stupid not to think we should lynch him. While I thought he could be passive defending killing and xatalos he could also be not trying to draw attention to himself so late in the game. | ||
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no seriously I want to know what stutters thinks though I will answer your question seriously in a minute though. | ||
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On September 08 2012 10:35 kushm4sta wrote: Ok so according to kreb's logic post, either one of the mafia feuds was fake, or jacob or sonic or me are mafia. 4 town 3 mafia. That means there are a lot of mafia among us -.- If i had to guess at this point I would say xatalos, stutters and killingtime, and the fued between stutters and killing was manufactured. Also I think I might have to read sonic's poster closer. Everyone always just assumed he was town because his posts are consistently good though. But maybe that consistency come from a scumlike carefulness. We can still win but if we lynch wrong 1 day we lose. I'm pretty sure that's how it worked out. Also I assume we have a vig and they killed drazak. No idea why they didn't kill a lurker n1 though... Stutters/killing isn’t manufactured. Stutters is vig... | ||
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So if he is scum he is scum with sonic and I am lynching the more certain one. If you don’t think killing is scum then well... there shouldn’t be much problem. (If there is bring it up) I know I am posting a huge amount just now but I want to get this right. | ||
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Look if town doesn't get the sonic vote guess what happens. Killing is lynched, if you think he is mafia then it should't be a problem. | ||
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Negative elimination I think I am town kush obviously thinks I am town and he thinks I am on the wrong track but hear me out. Stutters is town. Sonic and xatalos are both voting killing. I think kush is town. My two top scum reads are voting killing. I’m casey, I thought he was town but my read was based off knowing WeeTee. Not as strong as I thought. | ||
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But just to clarify it's not just WIFOM I went through why the killings case was unstable, I was talking about strange things sonic has been doing. (although I messed the the sonic kush in cohorts thing ages back) Kush is just far to town for that. However with killing as a town read my top two scum reads were both voting for killing time. I realised my imcasey case was in shambles(about him being town he is now mafia) as well as my killings case.(killing is now town) I am not happy with myself after failing this bad early but I am glad it's turned around now. yeah I agree I think the game is decided. I have a night post ready for all the possible things mafia could do to try and win but reasons for why it won't work and what to do if I die. (all the nk possibilitys) Which I will post a a few minutes before the deadline. | ||
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It's all in the thread, to bring you up to speed I used my power as confirmed town and the arguments I presented to convince kush and almost force the vote on you. Also xatalos and you can't both be town and xatalos was convinced that you were town. To me it looks like you went all in on this killing lynch and then when you were caught out xatalos gave himself away completely by trying to save you. If he was mafia and you town he wouldn't care if you were lynched. He would prefer it. The only reason he would care is if they bet on you being called town and the lynch on killing. With this backfiring he is also implicated. Another thing to note, if killing was mafia then wouldn't xatalos have tried to save him at least a little. he wouldn't be able to save imcasey infact you both (if I recall correctly) were going at imcasey because you were safe in the fact killing was set to be lynched. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey as M.F. Thatherton the mafia goon has been lynched. imcasey the mafia rolecop has been modkilled for failure to vote. Please send in all night actions to bioSC and myself. | ||
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On September 11 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: @mafia aka xatalos Please don't nk Jacob. He deserves more than that even you can admit. Take me instead. Lol | ||
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Because this is probably my last post alive (probably will get lynched out of spite anyway.) I am going to be a little dramatic in the initial and ending stages of it. However please note the logic in the middle is non fluff and purely there so we can win the game. Well my fine friends it has been a long road and a good road. Minus the killing of that quiet guy cubu... His mother probably misses him. And kville... I really need to send his family a gift. Oh and err... turns out the guy who has been treating the sick for years on end in this town actually was a doctor. Sorry about that drazak. But, I hope to dine with you all in heaven should this final lynch go though. A toast! To the honourable townies Thrawn and Kreb! /end fluff First I am just going to state a few facts. Most of this post isn’t in paragraph style so keep this in mind. The game is not over. The reason for that text is I wanted to have a bit of fun. One we can’t miss lynches or we lose. We are 1 to 4 but one dies tonight with a miss lynch another dies and then the night kill wins the game. Secondly Xatalos has probably played the most games out of all of us. This is his fourth game as he has played three games before this. This is killings first game. Means nothing by its self but Xatalos has more practice as mafia and town. Ok with the way he was acting to the sonic case last night and his filter in the light of who is mafia you should have enough info however something you must consider. The only way he could win the game is to get a lynch on killing. Now in the past both kush and stutters have had doubts about killing however. You would think if he was town he would be arguing all night trying to win the game. (although he did post once now which I will address) What I think he is doing is waiting until I am night killed before making his case as he would have a larger chance of persuading you and I won’t be there to refute any arguments. There are other things mafia could do by not lynching me however but at the moment I only need to talk about if I am Nk’d as if not I will be alive to talk about it ^^. Also remember you (kush and stutters) thought sonic was town kush in part due to his last post. I encourage you not to go with feel reads but with facts. Remember I think xatalos sonic imcasey is the scum team. Most of the case was based on this being true. If sonic imcasey and killing was a team nothing would have made sense and I doubt I would have lynched sonic. Also when we were lynching kville, it was kville vs xatalos for the most part. One way to know you have a scum is if there is a bandwagon and a counter bandwagon. (notice the way the votes lined up) Now I will talk about xatalos night post. Fact everybody agrees with the game is over either way. First of all I will go with something simple. Why would you bus WeeTee imcasey for so long? Well it was clear he was unstable and the unsafe mafia to keep alive. Sonic was bussing him almost all game as well. Why call it a stupid huge risk? If you ignore the outcome of course it was. There was actually a lot more filter analysis than you think I just had trouble expressing it in my posts. At this stage in the game a connection theory is actually really useful as there are only 5 or so people in it. What I think you are trying to do is make what I say seem a risk and stupid. This way you have a better chance of changing the vote. It wasn’t just your questioning but you were in my original theory. The connection case only worked if you were a connection. Also another thing I notice you seem to be trying to guilt trip and use the idiot method to convince people. Saying stuff like we are going to be facepalming or “we are throwing away player analyse” Just a little thing. Town don’t listen to this listen to logic not critic based on emotions. Killings exceedingly eager jump? No kidding as town he would have leapt at the chance to lynch mafia. If he was mafia he might make a really bad post to counter convince me or leapt on the chance as well. In the light of who flipped killings filter actually doesn’t look like mafia. Yours however... For one you and killing both accused sonic earlier game but you didn’t hang onto it for long. This is what I would expect of a mafia saying “But I accused him!” Remember I am not god. If an elephant walks into the room and points to someone else being scum go for that but it would have to be a super huge elephant. I mean massive backed up with an army of logic that is so amazing you have to agree. In other words due to previous arguments and these things I listed I strongly think we should vote Xatalos. However let logic decide (kush you know what logic is right )And because I have time waiting for the deadline. If I must leave you I leave you with the hopes and dreams of the people of this great town. I leave you the hope of the future, the guardians of the past and the true and just people of the present. (If I don’t die I might be sorely disappointed) | ||
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Strangelove is another player I think we might be able lynch. Yikes... reading this thread I almost died like 8 or 9 times. | ||
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Problem was I didn't have much time to explain it all logically (like 10 hours til lynch and I needed sleep) so after putting up some arguments and seeing I wasn't going far I just decided to force the vote. Honestly the thing that set it off was you saying imcasey was probably scum. When I realised that was true it helped because you wouldn't be in a scum team with the others but you would with him. Something along those lines... Also the way killing was acting helped. I can't actually see the scum tell (lol) I might have seen it in game but I don't remember. | ||
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On September 13 2012 18:21 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I was pretty confident at that point though. After Jacob's n2 analysis post where he was basically completely wrong, I got really confident. I even think I said in the Maffia QT that keeping Jacob is a good thing because he's misleading everyone else. Look at how that turned out :p Haha yeah I noticed probably going to get night killed day two whenever I roll town now... let me mislead everyone then kill me.It wasn't so much that you would be scum for saying that but it just made me look at you. Honestly you played a near perfect game. Not so much that you questioned me on imcasey but more that because of your questioning I realised he was scum. With him being scum and the way killing reacted making him seem so town like. I was able to put killing as more town than you and with casey being mafia and stutters vig I only saw you left. (at this point I had xatalos almost confirmed scum due to the way the kville lynch went{and other things}) Also all the little things made sense. (you not wanting a vig reveal etc..{althought he vig thing seemed to confuse everybody for a while}) I am mostly just lucky my intuition kicked in. Nothing major just when I looked at filters with this mafia team in my head nothing felt wrong. I also found it amusing when kush got upset at xatalos for Nk-ing me. Although that said I am not sure if I will play mafia for a while. Getting near the end of the semseter for me. Might play in the holidays. | ||
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On September 13 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote: ah yes ^_^ also the strange love affair between Jacob and kush was a pleasure to read. Sadly I didn't follow the game very closely, but their interactions from what I saw were very enjoyable. Two guys super-invested in the game and talking about stuff to each other. On September 14 2012 05:58 kushm4sta wrote: me and Jacob gonna make beautiful vanilla townie babies Rofl yes Kush... yes... | ||
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