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As for the active players, I want to see more out of JacobStrangelove. His posts have failed to impress. His biggest contribution to the thread so far is typing up a list with short explanations for his reads on everyone. That is not scumhunting. Anyone can type up a list and include short justifications for early reads. A town player is more focused on actively contributing towards the process of finding scum and that's not what I'm seeing out of Jacob. On September 02 2012 22:57 Kville wrote: Im not lurking! I just woke up! Kville what are you doing? So far all you have done is make a single post to clarify that you're not lurking. I agree with stutters, the list stuff is kinda silly. I say they're a waste of time/effort. I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. Our focus needs to be more directed on scumhunting than just constantly updating lists of casual one liners about each player. | ||
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On September 03 2012 08:03 kushm4sta wrote:And yeah grandma thrawn I put it in the voting thread too. thanks kush you make me proud In regards to your vote... I think cubu is a good pick, but I'm also considering drazak for the same reasons I'm assuming you selected cubu. Both of them have been present since the beginning of the game yet they haven't contributed anything beyond discussing policy type of stuff. Stutters, weetee, and kville all have 1 post each so I'm willing to accept they've just gotten into the game late. The difference between the 1 post players and cubu/drazak is that cubu/drazak both posted at the start of the game so they have less of an excuse for not contributing. Do you have any scum reads on the active players? Right now I'm looking at jacob: On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: As for the active players, I want to see more out of JacobStrangelove. His posts have failed to impress. His biggest contribution to the thread so far is typing up a list with short explanations for his reads on everyone. That is not scumhunting. Anyone can type up a list and include short justifications for early reads. A town player is more focused on actively contributing towards the process of finding scum and that's not what I'm seeing out of Jacob. | ||
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On September 03 2012 19:01 kushm4sta wrote: In response to all this conversation about lists: I prefer more directed single accusations than lightly accusing a bunch of people at once. If a bunch of people really put the heat on someone and threaten him with a lynch, then shit starts to come out. But if you accuse someone with a few sentences, along with the 5 other people you are accusing, then the accused doesn't even really have to respond. Casting your net to wide is the metaphor. Yes list making gives you a lot of insight into what people are thinking, but this is a double edged sword. If I have a slight suspicion of someone, I don't necessarily want to let them know that because that will only make them more careful. Yeah I don't like the lists. They cause town's focus to be too widespread which limits progress. If you have a read on somebody, and it's a read worth sharing, then it should take more than a couple sentences to justify. Making lists isn't scumhunting, it's fluff. You should be spending your time making accusations and questioning people instead of spitting out the status quo on each player. Gonna get my vote in next post | ||
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On September 03 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm not going to hold it against any of you that make them unless that's the extent of your contribution to the thread. In summary: He lurks throughout the entire game and only shares reads near the end of D1. Those reads are short and insubstantial and are not intended to spark further conversation. He never questions anyone or makes direct accusations. He's trying to blend in. | ||
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On September 03 2012 20:11 kushm4sta wrote: The problem I see is that there are a lot of other people with posts equally as insubstantial or worse. At least drazak has given reasons for his inactivity and there is the promise of more activity in the future. Assume drazak and kville and cubu are town. Which townie would you rather have day 2? For me that's hands down drazak, because he has contributed way more than those other two. It will be easier to determine later if he is scum because he has content to analyze. He may have contributed more in terms of total word count but their effective participation levels have been about the same. I am suspicious of drazak because his play looks like he is trying to appear somewhat active, but the 1st half of D1 he didn't talk about anything useful and D2 he made that list which contributed almost nothing to the thread... and I think his vote on kville is him trying to pick the easiest and safest target. In regards to people giving reasons for inactivity, that's not something I can confirm or deny so I mostly ignore it. On September 03 2012 20:27 drazak wrote: Well, if you want to prevent a no-lynch, vote kville, have you looked at his filter? Have you seen his previous activity in other mafias? Something seems fishy there and if he doesn't speak up there is absolutely no reason not to lynch him. Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. On September 03 2012 19:56 drazak wrote:I feel like that is pretty bad reasoning, if I was mafia I'd simply not give reads, or give poorly thought out reads (or atleast, in my experience). Actually that is what I think you've been doing. Not giving reads until extremely late and then giving poorly thought out reads. By 'poorly thought out' I'm talking about your list of short sentences about each player. As for your vote on kville I do give you some possible town credit for taking the initiative there, but it could also be scum motives trying to vote for an easy target. Kville is literally the easiest person to vote for because of him having only 1 post. So although you were the first to vote, it was anything but a ballsy move. Kville if you don't get lynched D1 and continue your posting behavior I don't think it's likely that you'll last past D2. What say you? Drazak, your vote is on a player who has only 1 post. I can see what the town motivations for that would be, but that still leaves you at a point where you aren't really scumhunting and you're just picking an easy target. What is your top scumread and why? (other than kville of course) Please be thorough. | ||
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On September 03 2012 23:57 KillingTime wrote: I kind of feel that a kville lynch would be similar to a kush lynch. We seem to agree that for a mafia to go out and make the d1 posts that kush did would be very gambley/spaz mafia play. Well, the same thing surely applies to Kville - I don't like the fact he is lurking like a submarine - but at this point, given how every active player has repeatedly stressed that they want town to be posting - the total refusal of kville to do that kind of makes me think there are better lynch targets (atleast for d1, d2 is a different story and kville is certainly going to need a good explanation and good d2 play if he does survive). I have similar feelings about a kville lynch: On September 03 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. Also according to the replacement thread the host has asked for a replacement for this game, so I think that kville is just a town player who doesn't care and wants out. I'm going to unvote drazak because I'd rather lynch someone more lurky, and because he's done a better job at contributing than he did at the start of the game. Here are my thoughts on the proposed lurker lynch candidates: Cubu: Has expressed suspicion of drazak, and said he wants to lynch kville. I consider his vote for kville a bad idea, but he has at least given scumreads. Earlier someone said that Cubu's posting looks like that of a spazzy townie, which I agree with. WeeTee/Stutters: I'm putting these two together because they are the lurkiest except for kville. WeeTee hasn't offered any scum reads at all, nor has he questioned anyone on anything. Stutters' only contribution towards scumhunting was his comment on kville's strange behavior. Stutters's scumhunting efforts are close enough to none I might as well call it none. Between the two of them I think WeeTee has provided greater insight into his thoughts. Stutters hasn't even obliged us with his town reads, all he's done is talk about policy and his thoughts on lists. I want to lynch WeeTee or Stutters. Other than kville (who I'm not going to vote for because of the earlier reasons I gave) they are the lurkiest players. I can see WeeTee being town because his town meta during XXV was exactly how he's playing now, so I'm going to vote for stutters because of my WeeTee meta read and because stutters has shared less thoughts/reads out of the two. | ||
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On September 04 2012 02:01 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn Let me just say that was a very nice catch on kville getting replaced. Very sharp. We certainly shouldn't vote for him now. Drazak and Cuba should change their votes. I think the replacement issue makes him just a null read. So the drazak didn't work out for you? Now you aim your sights at Stutters. Stutters over Cuba makes ZERO sense to me. Reason for dropping my drazak vote: On September 04 2012 00:54 thrawn2112 wrote:I'm going to unvote drazak because I'd rather lynch someone more lurky, and because he's done a better job at contributing than he did at the start of the game. On September 04 2012 02:01 kushm4sta wrote:He is not the ideal townie, but if you compare his filter to Cuba's, the difference is night and day. As town Stutters appears to be much more helpful, writing in depth and coherently. You are right he has offered no scum read yet. However he still has 8 hours and as he explained he is not a very active poster. On the other hand look at cuba's "scum read." It's more like a defense: you can't lynch him for lurking because kville is lurking way harder. And then he also accuses drazak...hmm that's interesting..but I'll get to that next post. Anyway his scumread of drazak is based on calling him out for lurker policy fluff, which is the same reason I suspected cuba in the first place. So his "scrumread," which apparently proves his innocence in your mind, is hypocritical, unfocused, and lacking of content. When you first accused drazak right after I accused cuba, you said You weren't even mentioning stutters as a candidate back then, and nothing regarding him has changed. You said cuba was a good pick, so what happened?? Neither Cubu or Stutters have contributed much towards scumhunting and they're both lurky. You ask why Stutters over Cubu? Cubu more fits the profile of a townie who doesn't know what he's doing, similar to how WeeTee played in XXV. You point out that Stutter's posts are more thought out/coherent/relevant than Cubu's, which is actually part of the reason why I think stutters is a better choice. You've got two people who have been lurking and not scumhunting much/at all. Yet one of them (Stutters) seems to have a better idea of how the game is played than the other. That's why I think Cubu could just be bad town whereas stutters is scum. In regards to my thinking Cubu was a good pick, yes I agreed with you at that time. But since you made that vote he has posted more so I had to give him a little town-cred for that. Also at the time of your Cubu vote Stutters had posted way more recently than Cubu had. But look at my filter, I've paid fair attention to both cubu and stutters as well as the other lurkers. Example here. On September 04 2012 02:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Any reason you think that'd make him townie? At this point I think it's evident he's afk because town or maffia, he would've tried to defend himself by now. To me it pretty much makes him rand(), which still makes him a bad lynch because we want >rand() lynches and whether town or maffia lynching him gives us very little info. Not lynching him in hopes of him getting a sub seems like the obvious move. Yeah, here: On September 03 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Actually the reason why I'm hesitant to consider voting kville is because I find it hard to believe that scum would only post once. He is an acceptable lynch candidate simply because we won't have lost anything at all worth keeping, but I don't have a scum read on him so that's why he's not my first vote. | ||
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On September 04 2012 02:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:At this point I think it's evident he's afk because town or maffia, he would've tried to defend himself by now. Oh and I wouldn't say he's afk, he's been playing in another mafia game all this time. It could be some elaborate ruse as scum, but I think it's more likely he doesn't want to play in this game. | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: Well.here I go. I am not in favor of d1 lynch as it really proves and shows any connections to the game whatsoever. Sorry for my absence but reads are pointless at this point Did you ask to be replaced? | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: Well.here I go. I am not in favor of d1 lynch as it really proves and shows any connections to the game whatsoever. Sorry for my absence but reads are pointless at this point First, as it's been stated several times, no-lynch isn't an option. You say reads are pointless on D1. But how will reads become less pointless during D2 if hypothetically we could choose to no-lynch? Lynching makes people commit to reads. You just posted so apparently you want to remain in the game. If so you need to vote to avoid being modkilled so who is your vote? | ||
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4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. Kville do you want to be lynched/replaced/modkilled? | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:05 Kreb wrote: I'll probably not vote Kville for the reason that he should be replaced. But that reply after saying like 10 words in 40 hours sure as hell doesnt make him look better. Possibly off topic: + Show Spoiler + English might not be my first languege, but I consider myself quite well versed. But I still have no idea what this means (I understand the words, not the meaning). On September 04 2012 04:47 Kville wrote: proves and shows any connections to the game How does one "prove and show connection to a game"? He's saying that a D1 lynch will not help us get reads on anyone.....which is not true. | ||
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On September 04 2012 04:56 Stutters695 wrote: We know you know how to play Kville. So start explaining. Currently it seems like you're lying because your 3rd post on Day 1 in NMIII was a vote on Marvellosity. Even if you are telling the truth about your thoughts on d1 lynches your play is so anti-town we honestly would be better off without you Actually I'm in agreement with this, especially the bolded part. Kville answer this question. You have played extremely poorly, broken a rule, and there is the evidence in the replacement thread that suggest you wanted to be removed from the game. Do you want to play or not? If you do, then why are you purposely playing so extremely anti-town? I say your bad play is intentional because here are your actions: -Lurk on 1 post until near voting deadline -Broke a rule by self-voting -Make an statement about non-lynching so illogical I don't think anyone would have it as an honest opinion So why play intentionally bad if you are town? | ||
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On September 04 2012 05:53 Kville wrote: Over analyzing is cute and can be a feature of a scum. It is day one and it seem as if you are in desperate need for a lynch. so desperate in fact that you are over reading the rulebook and calling me a cheater. Ok cool but again, why are you playing intentionally bad town? | ||
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On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: @kville Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you? Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement. Are you mafia? Are you trolling? This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town. That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly. | ||
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On September 04 2012 09:20 kushm4sta wrote: I'm really at a loss at what do with this guy... one thing is certain, we will waste much time d2 trying to decide. Yeah. Apparently the replacement was WeeTee so it looks like Kville is going to stay in. I don't think there's enough time to lynch him right now if that's what you're implying but I wouldn't be opposed to it just because it's a huge problem we shouldn't have to deal with. | ||
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