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On September 04 2012 12:13 BroodKingEXE wrote: Actually, Mattchew why should they claim now? Can't they just wait till its pointed out? no...that kind of defeats the purpose | ||
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That entire post can be summarized into: "I have no clue about you guys, mind helping to lynch scum?" Seriously.....dafuq | ||
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On September 04 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote: Nosy neighbours do not know they are nosy neighbours lol ##Vote: mattchew | ||
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@Hapa: Besides the ones that have been called out already (e.g. Ottox, goodkarma, Milton, all leaning scum for me, maybe with the exception of Ottox...) I do not really have some at the moment. Austin is way more inactive from the town-austin I know but that's a kind of weak meta argument right now. Also I am still waiting on Gravan On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. | ||
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On September 05 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote: Surely there's one or two that stick out to you in particular? Uhn, no not really at moment, also my provider is screwing with my Internet -.- cant really do any reread when I need like 10minutes to switch pages... | ||
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On September 05 2012 12:43 Z-BosoN wrote: @Shiaopi Your meta is a little off from Dwarf Mafia, where you were town and had much more contribuitive posts in day 1. When will your internet be fixed? Internet is unstable as of now, dunno if it will get better. If you are concerned about my meta you should probably read TL Mafia LV instead, since dwarf fortress was a mini, but anyway. Gravan has gone to sleep apparently without doing his promised post, which is something I really don't like... | ||
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Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first. To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is 99% red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone. Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be town kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already. Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum. Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well. Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it. | ||
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I just woke up and read through. Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first. To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is like 99% red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone. Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be a town kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already. Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum. Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well. Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it. Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all. | ||
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##vote: BKE Also maverick any reason to vote me besides lurking? Just curious, also how did you decide which lurker to kill? We got quite a few... | ||
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On September 08 2012 00:18 Maverick32x wrote: I really want to get you to post? And no reason besides that. Why BKE? What about other lurkers did you toss a coin? BKE cause hapas case is good enough for me to sheep him, might sound bad to you but there is not much more to add on it until he (BKE) shows a response. | ||
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I value a good case when I see it, hapa's case is good and therefore I am willing to go with it. Also we are only into the first half of the day, and there were 6 votes dropped on BKE right now. We got 20+ players in this game and some have not posted yet at all in this cycle so naaah no bandwagoning right now, more like a good case attracts votes on the target, should sound natural shouldn't it? | ||
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On September 08 2012 02:13 Maverick32x wrote: I honestly have no problem voting BKE. I thought I was clear with reason I voted for Shiao... I wanted him to post... And look!! He's had more posts after be called out than all game! Also yes- I'm considering more than one person as scummy or pointing out odd behaviors... Am I now scum or not? Why the lack of stance e.g. "Shiao is scum!" Also you haven't switched yet and which people do you want to point out? | ||
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Might not have too much time for this night phase but I'll try to keep track of some ppl, especially mav | ||
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On September 09 2012 12:44 Hapahauli wrote: 1) ShiaoPi has a reasonably active town-meta. ShiaoPi has no scum meta. 2) ShiaoPi is hardcore lurking this game, "internet issues" cited, but were not mentioned pre-game (odd, considering severity). His activity is very different from his 6 town games. He certainly hasn't posted anything that makes me think he's town. Some other newer players have posts that show effort, but ShiaoPi has shown none. As far as I'm concerned, the above makes him scummy. If he'd like to defend himself and convince me otherwise, he should take the opportunity to do so. Should I hold your hand too, or will that suffice? 1) I know that my play is off from my town games take it or leave it right now when I am saying that I am town (yet again). 2)I still have internet issues, see above also I am in a stupid timezone (HKT) compared to you. I either have to stay up late or wake up early in order to catch the last of the US-timezones discussing, mostly I don't make it, did stay up once and felt trashed afterwards, so no not willing to repeat that. If that is not enough for you to explain my "meta"-switch, can't do more. Onto something else though... I said I'll take another look at maverick and what strikes me as odd is the focus he has on lurkers, while I can agree that this game has a shitton of lurkers (counting myself as well) it is pretty "normal" for a large game to have them around. One should take a look at the (even if few) posts the lurkers have in order to search for scum motivation/anti-town behaviour. Mav does not do it though, for him he has the simple equation of lurker=scum. There is quite the disconnect between this argument and his own behaviour as I would count him into the lurkers as well, so shouldn't he step up his game to fulfill his perception of good town play? Also looking back into d1 there is quite some amount of soft-defending towards Mattchew within his filter, e.g.: + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote: Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts. First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture".... That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern. The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend.... On September 05 2012 00:41 Maverick32x wrote: Well, I must of skimmed past the FoS on me from Bill Murray, so I'll weigh in a bit. The reason I was hesitant to jump on Matt was because 'bad play' doesn't equal Scum play. And our goal is to hunt Scum, not hunt bad players. That being said, lying goes a bit beyond 'bad' and starts to seem more scummy. @Broodking- I re-read your post like 10 times and I have no idea what point you're trying to make... He also claims to be really focused on scumhunting instead of "looking good" + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 10:14 Maverick32x wrote: I don't even know what Dwarf Fortress Mafia is?? How is that relevant? And yes- I acknowledge I defended Matt because I had no reason NOT to. He had just made a post and a couple people started to jump on him about it. I honestly would not of voted him if Palmer didn't say that NN were not self-aware. I'm not too concerned with 'looking better' but rather trying to scum hunt and win. but his "cases" until now has been this single post: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 10:11 Maverick32x wrote: Okay, got through everyone's filters, so lets label some of the lurkers just to make sure we're aware: Hopeless1der, Shady Sands, ShiaoPi, and honestly I'd like to put Austinmcc in there too just cause his posts are useless.. but meh Okay, Obviously my read above on Forumite still stands- but I'm going to focus on DoYouHas for this next post. He randomly decides that Bill Murray must die right away. No idea why this was important for him to post- and to be honest Bill Murray is suspicious in his own ways (not to de-rail, but a lot of one sentence responses, fluctuating 'lists' of scum etc) So my sense is that this is a way to just accuse a peer early on, knowing that it won't stick. And of course it doesn't, because he quickly /unvotes that so quickly that it doesn't even make sense why he would do it in the first place. The majority of DoYouHas's posts involve meta game. Starting right at the start its his 'friend' who wanted him to vote, and people are playing as their 'meta' which he frequently refers to. We're looking at a definite Matt lynch, and he knows it, and even states it... why wouldn't he get behind that vote? He then jumps to Hopeless1der as his next target. He just appears far too sure of himself that Hopeless is voting scum for a townie- considering his entire case is built around it. His defense involves his own meta!! This leads me to believe that he is very aware of the 'meta' in the game, and is actively trying to fit whatever he views as 'usual' for him when he is town. So there you have it!! My top 2 reads currently. I am not impressed at all. Furthermore adding up to his shady behaviour, we have this little exchange between him and me: As soon as I am asking him some questions he feels uncomfortable with, he says this: On September 08 2012 04:42 Maverick32x wrote: You haven't posted enough for me to be sure of your alignment. You're also not reading.... I wanted you to post. Stop derailing this thread by making it personal . I think lurking is scummy. You were lurking. Therefore your behavior is scummy. Ignoring my questions (still is btw) alltogether. After we mislynch BKE, it's straight up, back to the lurkers, no mention of DYH or Forumite which were suspicions of him before. I don't know if you can see town motivation behind his play, I certainly don't, mav is scum, so shoot him tonight or lynch him tomorrow. Probably won't have internet again before the deadline passes so yeah, that's it from me. | ||
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On September 09 2012 18:49 Bill Murray wrote: Also, who the fuck is Kreb? Replaced in for Miltonkram. Also yay, still got Internet for another 30 mins | ||
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More comfortable with Boson on the chopping block. ##vote: Z-Boson | ||
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Mav just stop with your "case" against me. It's silly, I disappear from the lynch because I sleep during deadline. If you have read my filter like you claim to do, you should know what timezone I'm in.... Also my got on boson was no throwaway. I said I don't want to lynch forumite, so I voted for boson, who is scummy and who had the 2nd most votes. How that is throwaway is beyond me. I was tending a scumread on you, but that postIng looks more like stupid townie. | ||
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My vote on boson it should read. Not got :S | ||
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I had him pegged as scum the day before ( even pulled out half a case), but his last post is feeling a lot like being a stupid townie. Not completely exonerating him, but lessened my suspicions. I would be concerned with toad, simply because he is still alive ( could change this night anyway) and also of bm it is hard enough to follow his train of thought, but lynching him always seems to end in coin flip cause of his trolling. Unsure about whom to lynch next day | ||
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Probably should just do a reread on everyone as well if I can snag the time to do it | ||
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I was asked about my read on you, it is stupid townie, it's not as if I haven't tried to reason with you. Seeing you ignore my answers to your (kind of silly/stupid/invalid) arguments about lurking while you are doing the same thing is just tiring for me. On the other hand I makes you more town in my eyes since I doubt that scum would be that stupid to keep tunneling me when they see that it does not stick. I can only encourage you to read my posts more clearly.... On to boson: Cannot really add more to the cases on him, without just paraphrasing what others have said already. As I might not be back before deadline let's just throw out some suspects of mine in no particular order: If toad survives tonight he better be able to offer a good explanation why he did. Seeing him as most likely to get shot. Boson: see above Bm is just being silly, seeing that the only game I played with him he got vig'ed d1 (flipped red though), I can understand the calls for policylynching him etc. what is much more annoying is his attitude after the lynches of bke and forumite, "I told you so is ridiculous if you voted him anyway. So yeah leaning scum on him Gravan and shady could very well be scum, not much to base a read on. Sadly the rest is either nullish or town-leaning so not fit to share | ||
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And why cannot people understand that I am FUCKING asleep when they discuss stuff just before the deadline? Seriously I stated it more than enough, why the hell does it always make me suspicious for "not being around".... Onto the nighthits, unless somebody claims a shot we cannot know for sure, I would just go with both hits being Mafia KP's. boson for the attempt to get toad as well and fuba to make sure their 2nd KP will probably go through as he was pretty unlikely to get protected. @grush: Toad is not confirmed. simple as that. Why would you want to sheep him without any conditions? @Shady: why ninjavote? you obviously got some time to write blogposts and to vote, why not drop by here and do stuff? | ||
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On September 13 2012 12:43 Maverick32x wrote: voting ShiaoPi... Lulz... Well if you want to continue ignoring my responses... /shrug | ||
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##vote: Gravan see you guys tomorrow...zzzzzzz | ||
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first quote you got is a blatant misinterpretation done from your side. BKE was asking possible nosy neighbours who might be self-aware (not possible as we know now) to not claim until they get checked. Which is dumb as that would then be also a freebie for scum to make that claim. Next up you obviously do not read the thread carefully...Milton is replaced by now with Kreb. So you are leaning town on a non-existant player? Well done! In regards to meta I answered it more than once, if you do not want to believe my explanations, fine, whatever. Your other points seem to be shitton of WIFOM in scum-motives for the nighthits... I am really unsure what the fuck you are on to see these posts + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2012 10:48 Ottoxlol wrote: nice post, off to sleep so you can lurk in peace for a while now On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote: Toad is scum. Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion. I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them as attacks...he is just mentioning me as one of the lurkers, nothing exciting or new. In regards to hapa, well I had a (Correct) townread on him, he gets killed and I am to blame? Just because he attacked me? Why am I even answering you....it's kind of obvious that you are in tunnel-land, unlikely to ever come back and that you are reading everything with a ridiculous confirmation bias... | ||
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Looking through SnB's filter there are several things to mention imo: -discussion/buddying with Toad --> I don't really know about what to make of the interactions between the two of them and Toads claim, I would agree with Mementoss that we should just judge him based on the filter pre-claim, if toad survives yet another night, we really have to keep track of him.... -pushing mav repeatedly --> My townread on mav is getting much stronger because of it -slight suspicions on sloosh --> coupled together with the way the lynch happened, it is pretty safe to assume that sloosh is town aligned. Besides Toad we should also look at Shady, he looks terrible, his recent surge in activity does feel like his townie meta though, but still he is up there in my lynchlist. There is someone looking even worse though in my opinion, Rewok has done nothing besides the stupid list at the beginning, also his vote on Gravan came at the beginning of the SnB switch, but he neither comments it or switches with the others. As SnB flipped red this looks incredibly scummy to me. So what I am saying is that come the day we should lynch into one of Rewok, Shady or Toad, I am pretty sure we will hit red within these three. | ||
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I am the Tracker. I waited just before the deadline to counterclaim toad just in order to not give scum the chance to snipe me tonight. I highly doubt that we have 2 trackers and a watcher in this setup so I believe Toad to be a fakeclaiming scum (next to the question on why he is still alive etc.) I checked in the following order, added my breadcrumb to each of the checks: -Hapahauli, Crumb, which I messed up with poor formating >_>: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote: EBWOP: I just woke up and read through. Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first. To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is like 99% red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone. Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be a town kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already. Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum. Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well. Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it. Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all. I tracked hapa, because I was unsure about his alignment and with him being one of the more vocal guys in the thread with quite some influence on town, I chose to give it a check. It returned (not surprsingly now in hindsight) that he did not go anywhere. -maverick, Crumb:+ Show Spoiler + On September 09 2012 09:58 ShiaoPi wrote: Dafuq BKE, mislynched him two games now Might not have too much time for this night phase but I'll try to keep track of some ppl, especially mav I had a scumread on mav, tracked him got the result that he did not go anywhere, pretty sure he is town right now, based on mindlessly tunneling me etc. -BM, Crumb: + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2012 09:50 ShiaoPi wrote: @sloosh: I had him pegged as scum the day before ( even pulled out half a case), but his last post is feeling a lot like being a stupid townie. Not completely exonerating him, but lessened my suspicions. I would be concerned with toad, simply because he is still alive ( could change this night anyway) and also of bm it is hard enough to follow his train of thought, but lynching him always seems to end in coin flip cause of his trolling. Unsure about whom to lynch next day The Check on BM was kind of a gamble, I know that he is totally unreadable and I hoped that I might catch a "red" check on him, alas result was that he did not go anywhere so I am still unsure on him, but have less suspicions now on him. These checks should be enough to explain my townread on hapa, my sudden switch on mav and my unwillingness to lynch BM for coinflipping. Hopefully my crumbs are able to convince you that I really am the tracker. And I will be checking Toad tonight, so if I survive we should hopefully get some good results out of it. Here is the breadcrumb btw: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2012 17:01 ShiaoPi wrote: Well that was quite a pleasant surprise to catch up to with the lynch on snB. Good job, sorry for sleeping while the switch happened :D Looking through SnB's filter there are several things to mention imo: -discussion/buddying with Toad --> I don't really know about what to make of the interactions between the two of them and Toads claim, I would agree with Mementoss that we should just judge him based on the filter pre-claim, if toad survives yet another night, we really have to keep track of him.... -pushing mav repeatedly --> My townread on mav is getting much stronger because of it -slight suspicions on sloosh --> coupled together with the way the lynch happened, it is pretty safe to assume that sloosh is town aligned. Besides Toad we should also look at Shady, he looks terrible, his recent surge in activity does feel like his townie meta though, but still he is up there in my lynchlist. There is someone looking even worse though in my opinion, Rewok has done nothing besides the stupid list at the beginning, also his vote on Gravan came at the beginning of the SnB switch, but he neither comments it or switches with the others. As SnB flipped red this looks incredibly scummy to me. So what I am saying is that come the day we should lynch into one of Rewok, Shady or Toad, I am pretty sure we will hit red within these three. Also of note is the "coincidence" that all the people Toad visited are now dead, so he cannot be wrong on their alignments..... I also call bullshit on his claim that GK was vigged, just take a look at the post of Mementoss earlier with the N1-Breakdown. So, what do we do as soon as day starts? Vote Toad, Lynch Toad, laugh about his red flip! I'll stick around for shortly after the deadline now and then go back to sleep >_> | ||
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This is really iffy now, voting shady for now and heading back to sleep... ##vote: Shady Sands | ||
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@Darthpunk: What are your thoughts right now? | ||
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anyone else here NOT from East Asia/Australia? | ||
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Looks like I should have let paranoia get the best of me >_> gg shady, screw your busy schedule :D I am going to give out all my reads, because I am most likely dead after the night. We have these players left grush BM Darthpunk imallinson hopeless kreb ShiaoPi (yeah I am confirmed to myself ) Let's take a closer look: First off we got the trolly unreadable duo of Grush/BM: I have played several games with grush but I still have no fucking clue how to read him, had him once as townie once as scum and was both times wrong.... Considering BM I also do not have a clue, although he does not read really properly he still seems to kind of give a shit, so yep null on him too >_> They could both be very well scum but there is nothing definite.... Next up, DarthPunk: He is most probably town, his willingness to stay up late (I feel for you too my timezone-plagued brethren), eagerness to discuss things and the general feel he gives out of his posts, what bothers me a bit is the lack of activity lately but I am willing to give him the BOTD in regards to his private life etc.. Another kind of worrying thing is how he buddied up to me after I claimed, also he has been on easy targets (ottox, Gravan, rewok) and his recent attempts to get Kreb lynched do not sit well with me, but generally said I see a low probability of him being scum, if he is indeed red, then congratulations, you fooled me. Imallinson: He could very well be scum. I am having a null read leaning scum on him at the moment. First off, noticed something? Yeah he completely vanished after dropping the vote on shady, never posted since then again. Also as I checked through his filter, there is not much of meaningful contribution, the only "case" he did was on Gravan who flipped green. He has also generally been a non-factor in this game, flying perfectly under the radar as people focused on other "lurkers" instead of pursuing him. The only thing which keeps me back from having a clear scumread on him is the fact that he slightly bussed mattchew, although that is kind of a weak indicator seeing how his whole fakeclaim played out and that he was on the giant switch onto SnB. What is notable though on his vote on SnB is that he did not hammer him, so it could have been a bus anyway. Hopeless: Hopeless is ridiculously similar to Imallinson. He is also a non-factor in this game so far (besides the SnB lynch, more on that later). Take a look at his filter, its short anyway. He starts off with a soft defense of Mattchew, while accusing Forumite at the same time. After palmar pretty much kills matt he jumps on the wagon like everybody else. He then gets targeted N1 and defends himself extensively, but continues to go after Forumite. Come D2 though he apparently "forgets" about Forumite and joins the bandwagon on BKE. As soon as Forumite is back on the chopping block he tunnels him to no end, continuously pushing him. He then proceeds to sheep SnB's case on mav before switching it up 3 minutes to deadline without any comment on why or how he came to the conclusion that the person he sheeped was scum in the end. This looks like an incredibly easy bus to me. He had been a non-factor this game so far, occasionaly being thrown into shit as part of the lurker brigade but then he hammers a scum in a last minute switch, easy as pie to get town cred until the end of the game. He is actually my strongest read at the moment, so please please lynch him! Also look at the rest of his posts, there is like ZERO content besides the case on Forumite. Hopeless cruised by until now (he has been gone from the thread just as imallinson), time to poke him until he dies. Kreb: He replaced in for Milton who had been lurking pretty hard. Even as replacement he got a bigger filter than hopeless and I have a townread on him. His actions so far seemed pretty townie to me, he has been contributive, sharing his reads and thoughts and been an active part of town so far. The effort he put into pressuring toad is also remarkable, just compare his filter with hopeless' and imallinsons its ridiculous how a replacement is that much more of a factor in the game than two people from the very beginning. Summary: Look at my list, I want to lynch into one of these two Imallinson, Hopeless1der, priority on Hopeless1der since I am much more certain on him. Also I'll be tracking one of those two, have fun wifoming Mafia, if you let me survive. | ||
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If the last scum are in BM/grush I am so gonna call for fucking policy lynches on them like every single game I play with them -.- off to bed now, nobody in here anyway I guess | ||
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As I got no notice from the hosts I probably got Roleblocked, so no results either, will be back later or via phone for some thoughts | ||
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@allinson: since you seem to be around now, who do you want to lynch? | ||
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everyone else should come into the thread as well....its lylo guys | ||
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On September 19 2012 05:04 grush57 wrote: Dang he went to bed, we would of both been confirmed town. I'm tracker read the damn thread >_> | ||
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On September 19 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote: I explained in my Post. I am happy with A BM Lynch also. I really don't see how you could be convinced that grush is town if you read his filter. If Allison is scum Then BM must be scum. Because I doubt scum Grush would bus allison at this point. If grush is scum BM is scum. If Allison is scum BM is scum. either way BM IS SCUM. I still think grush and BM are it though. its based on meta. hard to explain, but he does not feel like th TLVI in which he was scum. why does BM has to be scum if allinson is? Where do you see the connection? or just elimination? | ||
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Why? First off imallinson: All the things I pointed out in the night are still valid. Seeing Hopeless' flip actually strengthens the suspicion that I had about Imallinson switching to look "good" after a Gravan mislynch. As Hopeless was town he simply did not anticipate him switching 3 minutes prior to deadline. Imallinson switched 6 minutes prior to deadline, as hopeless was not posting during the time, I say that it was a pretty safe bet to have "bussed" SnB without the need to flip him, with a consequential gravan mislynch. As we know now, Hopeless messed that up. Imallinsons defense: On September 19 2012 03:28 imallinson wrote: I've been real busy with uni work which is why I've been a bit absent recently. I don't understand Shiao's reads. I don't see how the two last people to join the lynch on SnB are scum. If we were why the hell would we bus our team mate when the vote was 6 on Gravan and 4 on SnB. We could have easily just left it as it was and got a mislynch. Kreb's reads seem much more plausible as both BM and Grush have seemed really anti town all game and could see one or both of them being scum. is only valid if Hopeless would have been red. He flipped green and now it gets even more obvious that imallinsons voteswitch was not consequential if Hopeless had not hammered SnB last minute. Since the daypost imallinson has not been to the thread again, I say he is scum. Hopefully (troll)town is willing to go along with me on this vote. ##vote: Imallinson On to Darthpunk: I know I had him pegged as town the night before, but him wanting to lynch into BM/grush which is basically a coinflip is pretty damning in my eyes, also add the things I listed the night prior with buddying (it happened in this day-phase again) and the weird accusations thrown at Kreb. Obviously part of my read hinges on the fact that we I am connecting DP with Imallinson. There is also another interesting thing about the interactions between the two. Starting this day DP started to address imallinson as "she" (I have no clue about imallinsons gender) but nowhere in the thread did imallinson said that "she" was a girl and wanted to be adressed as such. That only leaves the option that they must have been communicating in private----> read ScumQT! Also his posts today have been pretty defending towards imallinson, while I continued to add pressure on him/her. Why? He even says that imallinsons filter is: On September 19 2012 13:43 DarthPunk wrote: - Grush shoved Me and allison into a scum team. I am not scum. And both Gravan and BM have pushed for me to be lynched. If gravan Is pushing allison as the other scum then it is likely she is town. - I looked over her filter. Standard lurker fare. HOWEVER. She switched onto S&B when votes were 6-4 causing them to be 5-5 If she had not switched. S&B would not have been lynched. It is apparent to me that the sudden shift onto S&B was so swift that it took BM and Grush By surprise. I don't not think he was bussed. Therefore Imallison is TOWN. Note that his first argument is firstly not really an argument as we have to take his sentence about his alignment at facevalue, but also why is it likely for imallinson to be town if she was pushed by gravan? Gravan flipped green.....It makes no fucking sense at all. I already invalidated the SnB switch argument which would be in favor of a green imallinson, so how can someone with "standard lurker fare" be a townread? Yeah, if my trolly town-friends are willing to follow my reads we got this in the bag. Lynch imallinson today, lynch Darthpunk tomorrow and we won. GG! it also kind of happened as process of elimination. I'm not scum, I don't think that grush is scum right now. BM I am unsure of but I am pretty sure on imallinson and when he/she flips red DP is red as well. Gogo my troll-friends! Put down those votes! | ||
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If one of them is scum I will try to policy lynch them every future game, but for now I am willing to hedge my bets on scumteam of imallinson/you | ||
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Nice outing as scumpartner of imallinson. You said you are fine with lynching either grush or BM, your supposedly null-read votes one of your candidates and you change to the other? It would only make sense if you thought imallinson to be scum, but then you should vote with the confirmed townie (hint: me) onto imallinson... I am pretty sure now: Imallinson/Darthpunk are our scumteam! | ||
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On September 19 2012 20:34 imallinson wrote: If anything I'd say Hopeless being killed makes me look more town. Why, if I was scum, would I base my defence on someone who I know is going to die and who's dying makes me look really bad. I haven't been here since the day post due to trying to sleep/a bit of actually sleeping/waking up feeling like shit. If you look at my previous posting I've always either posted something quick if I had a strong read after the day post or nothing at all. As for the supposed bus of SnB it would make no sense from a scum perspective. Although I wouldn't know hopeless was around I knew Gravan was and if I was scum would have known he was town and would have switched his vote. As for who I think is scum I think Grush and BM look like a really obvious scum team. Your reason for for not thinking that is meta based and we've already had a terrible mislynch based on meta so I'm reluctant to go on that again. Both Grush and BM have been very anti town all game. You I see as definitely town because there is no reason for you to fake claim when you did. Darth is possibly scum but has generally played pro town so I'm much less sure about it than Grush or BM. ##Vote: Grush Yes, I employed WIFOM in my read on you, but I believe more into my version of events than yours! Furthermore of note if you have me as secure townread, you know we are at lylo and you know I won't vote Grush based from my posts, why wouldn't you vote Darthpunk instead? You are doing the same as DP, splitting up towns (as if you are townie ) votes. geeeeeeet him!!! | ||
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As long as they vote with me, I don't care how much you two squirm | ||
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yeah that was "stupid" of you I am like deadset that it has to be you this cylce. | ||
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I voiced suspicions on allinson the night before: + Show Spoiler + Imallinson: He could very well be scum. I am having a null read leaning scum on him at the moment. First off, noticed something? Yeah he completely vanished after dropping the vote on shady, never posted since then again. Also as I checked through his filter, there is not much of meaningful contribution, the only "case" he did was on Gravan who flipped green. He has also generally been a non-factor in this game, flying perfectly under the radar as people focused on other "lurkers" instead of pursuing him. The only thing which keeps me back from having a clear scumread on him is the fact that he slightly bussed mattchew, although that is kind of a weak indicator seeing how his whole fakeclaim played out and that he was on the giant switch onto SnB. What is notable though on his vote on SnB is that he did not hammer him, so it could have been a bus anyway. copied it again for you, add it up to the way he "defended" himself and its fucking clear he is scum :D I am not tying a scumread on imallinson with your alignment, its the other way around! You are scum as soon as I got the confirmation of imallinson's red flip. EASY I said it more than enough times already. Your post makes no sense, if I tied imallinsons alignment to yours I would lynch you first! I'm not, capiche?! :D :D :D Since you are as good as confirmed scum to me, I won't be able to convince you of your red alignment anyway :D My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! | ||
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On September 19 2012 21:30 imallinson wrote: The fact that you are so sure of this based on barely anything is really making me question the fact that you are town. Then vote for me! I am as confirmed town as you can get by now, in this game. @DP: I am using a lot of smilies right now, since I am happy to have solved the game. GG!!! | ||
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onto imallinsons scumminess, just look at the replies today and my posts before I engaged trollmode, since I am talking only to scum. Its fairly obivous | ||
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Get over the fact that I caught you and go concede already! | ||
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Even if I switch now, it won't matter, since I need both of my favorite trolls to sheep me right now Also, who are you kidding, your gonna flip red! xD | ||
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Seriously we are totally derailing the thread now, I'm just gonna wait around for grush and BM now | ||
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you jumping in front of imallinson makes me think that he is the roleblocker and you are a goon Naaah as long as grush and BM are not here to discuss with me I won't do jack | ||
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Damn, I should stop shitting up the thread, with trolly stuff | ||
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I'm not responding to you anymore, had enough trolling for now. | ||
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On September 19 2012 22:27 DarthPunk wrote: Why have you gone into hiding shiao? Still here, waiting for grush and BM, no need to further derail/shit up the thread than I already did. Enjoyed the Fun while it lasted. | ||
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Grush and BM: Don't be fooled by those two and listen to the confirmed town please! good night and out | ||
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@BM why not imallinson? @grush thanks for voting the right choice. but what makes you think that DP is town? | ||
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You are not making sense at all. Why are you having a townread on imallinson? Give me some good reasons for it. how can you see grush getting lynched today when he has no fucking vote on him? Also DP is set to be lynched right now since he hit 2 votes first. I am like 99,9% sure that you and grush are town. Also why are you kind of wifoming around DP's posts which shat up the thread? they are of no value at all. Why are you linking grush to DP? There is like no fucking connection at all?! You seriously believe him saying that he will quit mafia forever? What the fuck is wrong with you? I knew you did not and still do not read the thread, but seriously how can you see Grush as town when allinson and DP pretty much claimed scum in their votes? I outlined it more than enough already.... Seriously BM, don't make me doubt my read on you. | ||
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*grush as scum it should read. | ||
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Off to bed now. | ||
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Since I just got ninja'ed by DP: some more stuff. BM is obviously troll/not reading so far is probably what we can agree on. I see him as derping around right now, cause he refuses to read in detail. Also there is NO confirmation bias with the scumclaims you two did...I pointed them out and if BM would read properly he would fucking agree. It's ridiculous, I am confirmed town (as much as that is possible at the moment), I fucking point out the two scumslips/claims you did and still BM won't agree with me...WTF is wrong with trolls?! | ||
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you will flip red and so will imallinson, if we still lose this game as town I am so going to puke. | ||
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well as soon as 22:00 GMT (+00:00) hits with the deadline I'll be laughing | ||
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It does not matter, you will flip red if the votes stay the same right now. If BM you unvote and do some shenanigans imallinson gets lynched since he hit 2 earlier. me staying put guarantees a red lynch. | ||
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On September 20 2012 23:59 DarthPunk wrote: WHY WON:T YOU VOTE FOR ME IF YOU KNOW I AM RED? WHY WON'T YOU READ!!!!! I see what you did there.... | ||
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Is it that hard? you will die as it is right now. as soon as I switch onto you, you and allinson could pull some shenanigans with the help of stupid BM. as one of the votes on you is yourself. I am staying put to make sure that if you do unvote we will get imallinson's head on a spike. I trapped you right there, you cannot unvote yourself without breaking your disguise as "frustrated townie" so you will die tonight. You flip red, we lynch imallinson tomorrow and enjoy cookies. | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:05 DarthPunk wrote: ##UNVOTE ahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaha | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:07 DarthPunk wrote: ##VOTE DARTHPUNK may I repeat myself? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah | ||
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Several things first: -BM is still a townleaning nullread, because he does not read, he does seem to care though but I would rate him right now as awful townie -I have had a townleaning nullread (by now it is pretty safe on townside) on grush pretty much the entire game, maybe call me stupid for doing it, but it feels like he is the towntrollversion. Also he does give a damn about the thread, does not spout as much nonsense as BM is, as a bonus he voted with me. -I am obviously the tracker --> Process of elimination: 2 Out of DP, Hopeless and imallinson are scum. As hopeless gets killed off. I'm left with DP, imallinson 2/2 yay! You can critisize me all you want DP for my belief into the trolls, but I am pretty sure on grush and BM seems to give a shit in his own stupid kind of way. Also add to that the fact that you gave allinson a hard defense as soon as I voiced suspicions on him (iirc I was the first to really call him out anyway) and the subsequent interactions between you two. You claim that imallinson is a nullish read to you but then you do not vote with him on one of your scumreads: Just for viewing pleasure again: On September 19 2012 20:49 ShiaoPi wrote: DP thanks for claiming scum, splitting up towns (assuming you are town) votes at lylo makes no fucking sense from a town perspective since we need every vote of town on a single candidate to avoid a loss. Nice outing as scumpartner of imallinson. You said you are fine with lynching either grush or BM, your supposedly null-read votes one of your candidates and you change to the other? It would only make sense if you thought imallinson to be scum, but then you should vote with the confirmed townie (hint: me) onto imallinson... I am pretty sure now: Imallinson/Darthpunk are our scumteam! That was your scumslip and since then I have been like 99,9% sure that you are our last remaining scum. Also the way you tried all the time to bait me into switching onto you or someone else than allinson was pretty much the nail in the coffin for you. You are scum, if BM starts to see reason and I can convince grush, we got this. | ||
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Also another argument which employs heavy WIFOM and stuff. Trolls like BM and grush will always survive until lylo/mylo if the town KP gets killed early. It is just too tempting for scum to have an easy mislynch/fallback-case to have in the scenario. So I am following a theory of mine that the person who targets the scummy lurker/troll first in lylo/mylo is scum, trying to make the easy lynch happen. It worked in my 2nd Newbiegame (which we still lost to said lurker not being around) and it seems to be working here as well. | ||
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The thing is BM is utterly unreadable if you take his posts at facevalue. You could say I am gambling the outcome of the game, but my gut says its you and not BM. Also I already said it once, if BM is the last scum I will do my best to kill him in every game thereafter. And you will get a big fat apology from me. But for now, IF (thats a huge if) I survive I will continue to push for your lynch. It does not seem rational I guess, but I am now going along with my gut. | ||
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and no worries about post-game, stuff like this stays where it was . | ||
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DP just went bonkers as I pressured him in connection with imallinson. Please please please listen to me grush! It will most probably be you, BM and DP after the night anyway >_> | ||
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anyway I am off to bed. I can only repeat myself here before I get shot, Lynch DarthPunk! Thanks! :> | ||
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oh and BM you are just fucking retarded. sorry for my language but what the hell. | ||
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so bm what makes me scum again? | ||
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it is or rather should be 2-1 lylo | ||
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so yeah ##Vote: Darthpunk (In case I live lol) | ||
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DP the effort you had this game was cases on: Shady, grush, bm, gravan, rewok and a wtf case on Kreb wow...that takes like....zero effort....(minus the kreb one, but he was so obviously fucking town that it was stupid of you anyway) your entire thread presence has been pretty much close to nil although you got such a large filter. Also you were always part of the bandwagons, with close to zero other contribution | ||
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Your filter may be smarter and more logical than BM's but you simply "feel" scummier. So yeah, whatever, cannot convince you of being scum obviously..... but I'll stop, would shit up the thread again anyway | ||
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ugh....I don't know what to say | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:09 Mementoss wrote: damn I thought I might have had a win here I did as well 1-7 Record now QQ Also guys sign up for GSL2 mini, DrH's game will take some time to fill up anyway! | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:52 DarthPunk wrote: Sorry Shiao. You totally deserved it. <3 Ah well, should probably started to play properly earlier, could have avoided the entire ugly endgame that way Also, you deserve the win as well. Your angry raging townie act was pretty good! | ||
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