TL Mafia LVII

On September 04 2012 13:17 Maverick32x wrote:
Hey guys- got a chance to catch up and I have a couple thoughts.

First- Not totally comfortable voting Mattchew at this point.. I understand the potential for lying about the role claim.. and I'm not a big fan of role claiming in general... HOWEVER- I'd like to reiterate BlackMamba's post that said something to the tune of "ITT- Townies arguing with Townies" because I find that people are so quick to blame each other for stupid stuff that we end up wasting the first couple days with literally zero reason for voting someone besides "They drew a picture"....

That being said- I'd like to draw a little bit of attention to the first voter for whom I feel like I can make an actual observation on- Toadesstern.

The reason I want to focus on that is just because of the speed at which he strikes out just makes me wonder why that's beneficial from a town perspective? And I'm just wondering if he just wanted to try to promote chaos right away?? Also- consistently attacking other posters seems to be a trend....

On September 05 2012 00:41 Maverick32x wrote:
Well, I must of skimmed past the FoS on me from Bill Murray, so I'll weigh in a bit.

The reason I was hesitant to jump on Matt was because 'bad play' doesn't equal Scum play. And our goal is to hunt Scum, not hunt bad players. That being said, lying goes a bit beyond 'bad' and starts to seem more scummy.

@Broodking- I re-read your post like 10 times and I have no idea what point you're trying to make...

On September 07 2012 10:14 Maverick32x wrote:
I don't even know what Dwarf Fortress Mafia is?? How is that relevant?

And yes- I acknowledge I defended Matt because I had no reason NOT to. He had just made a post and a couple people started to jump on him about it.

I honestly would not of voted him if Palmer didn't say that NN were not self-aware.

I'm not too concerned with 'looking better' but rather trying to scum hunt and win.

On September 07 2012 10:11 Maverick32x wrote:
Okay, got through everyone's filters, so lets label some of the lurkers just to make sure we're aware:

Hopeless1der, Shady Sands, ShiaoPi, and honestly I'd like to put Austinmcc in there too just cause his posts are useless.. but meh

Okay, Obviously my read above on Forumite still stands- but I'm going to focus on DoYouHas for this next post.

He randomly decides that Bill Murray must die right away. No idea why this was important for him to post- and to be honest Bill Murray is suspicious in his own ways (not to de-rail, but a lot of one sentence responses, fluctuating 'lists' of scum etc)

So my sense is that this is a way to just accuse a peer early on, knowing that it won't stick.

And of course it doesn't, because he quickly /unvotes that so quickly that it doesn't even make sense why he would do it in the first place.

The majority of DoYouHas's posts involve meta game. Starting right at the start its his 'friend' who wanted him to vote, and people are playing as their 'meta' which he frequently refers to. We're looking at a definite Matt lynch, and he knows it, and even states it... why wouldn't he get behind that vote?

He then jumps to Hopeless1der as his next target. He just appears far too sure of himself that Hopeless is voting scum for a townie- considering his entire case is built around it.

His defense involves his own meta!! This leads me to believe that he is very aware of the 'meta' in the game, and is actively trying to fit whatever he views as 'usual' for him when he is town.

So there you have it!! My top 2 reads currently.

On September 05 2012 10:48 Ottoxlol wrote:


nice post, off to sleep so you can lurk in peace for a while now

On September 06 2012 07:17 Ottoxlol wrote:


Toad is scum.
Hapahauli confirmed my suspicions by his last post, he's purposely trying to skew the discussion.
I think these two are defending their mates by not letting the Matt discussion go on -> the other 2 possibly are lurkers who voted on Matt with no real content. imallinson Z-BosoN Shady Sands DarthPunk ShiaoPi BlackMamba24 goodkarma all voted Matt after Palmar's announcment and provide little to no reasoning. Bad town or scum can easily be among them

On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:

I just woke up and read through.
Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first.
To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is like 99%
red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone.

Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a
case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be a town
kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already.

Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum.

Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well.
Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it.
Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all.

On September 09 2012 09:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
Dafuq BKE, mislynched him two games now
Might not have too much time for this night phase but I'll try to keep track of some ppl, especially mav

On September 12 2012 09:50 ShiaoPi wrote:
@sloosh:
I had him pegged as scum the day before ( even pulled out half a case), but his last post is feeling a lot like being a stupid townie. Not completely exonerating him, but lessened my suspicions. I would be concerned with toad, simply because he is still alive ( could change this night anyway) and also of bm it is hard enough to follow his train of thought, but lynching him always seems to end in coin flip cause of his trolling. Unsure about whom to lynch next day

On September 15 2012 17:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well that was quite a pleasant surprise to catch up to with the lynch on snB. Good job, sorry for sleeping while the switch happened :D

Looking through SnB's filter there are several things to mention imo:

-discussion/buddying with Toad --> I don't really know about what to make of the interactions between the two of them and Toads claim, I would agree with Mementoss that we should just judge him based on the filter pre-claim, if toad survives yet another night, we really have to keep track of him....
-pushing mav repeatedly --> My townread on mav is getting much stronger because of it
-slight suspicions on sloosh --> coupled together with the way the lynch happened, it is pretty safe to assume that sloosh is town aligned.

Besides Toad we should also look at Shady, he looks terrible, his recent surge in activity does feel like his townie meta though, but still he is up there in my lynchlist. There is someone looking even worse though in my opinion, Rewok has done nothing besides the stupid list at the beginning， also his vote on Gravan came at the beginning of the SnB switch, but he neither comments it or switches with the others. As SnB flipped red this looks incredibly scummy to me.

So what I am saying is that come the day we should lynch into one of Rewok, Shady or Toad, I am pretty sure we will hit red within these three.

Imallinson:
He could very well be scum. I am having a null read leaning scum on him at the moment. First off, noticed something? Yeah he completely vanished after dropping the vote on shady, never posted since then again. Also as I checked through his filter, there is not much of meaningful contribution, the only "case" he did was on Gravan who flipped green. He has also generally been a non-factor in this game, flying perfectly under the radar as people focused on other "lurkers" instead of pursuing him. The only thing which keeps me back from having a clear scumread on him is the fact that he slightly bussed mattchew, although that is kind of a weak indicator seeing how his whole fakeclaim played out and that he was on the giant switch onto SnB. What is notable though on his vote on SnB is that he did not hammer him, so it could have been a bus anyway.