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I have a lot of free time so yeah I will read this thread pretty much constantly and carefully. And as soon as I suspect someone or have something to say I will say it. But at this point it's impossible to know anything about anyone so dont point fingers at me because Im new. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:23 WeeTee wrote: I hear on the grape vine that posting lots makes you look like town.... But then damn you meta comes into play! In my opinion Shady is neither town or scum. Im agreeing with the other noob here. Number 1, I don't think looking at the meta is an effective way of determining anything. Therefore, like weetee i have no idea what shady is. If i had to suspect someone its speghetticus, who is the perfect combination of bandwagoning and being quiet to remain off the radar. Also thrawn...this dude is just appointing himself town leader with his epically long posts with quotes etc, also intiating all topics of discussion. It seems like he is trying to make himself essential so no one will suspect him. Why would anyone care as much about the minutiae of lurker policy as thrawn? Because his scum strategy is to not be a lurker and provide justication to lynch any innocents that might be lurking. | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:33 Alsn wrote: So until you prove to me otherwise, I feel I must suspect you for being overly defensive about your posting. FoS kushm4sta Wow you sounded really smart about lvdr he seems fishy how he constantly shifts the focus to those he knows aren't mafia. And he does it in a very non constructive way. However you suspect me for some reason which is just wrong. If I were mafia I would be super nice and would not be aggressive or defensive in any way actually. It's because im town that I'm not afraid to act like this because I have nothing to hide. Basically I think you are mistaking "bad play" for guilt. Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him. | ||
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On August 24 2012 12:50 mkfuba07 wrote: Could you clarify what you mean by this? It strikes me as odd that you would say this since no townie should know who the other townies are. So the argument you use against Lvdr can be turned against you as well. What makes you think that the players Lvdr is targetting aren't scum? He knows they are townies because he is mafia is what I mean. Mafia knows who is mafia and who is townies. Therefore, lvdr is trying to get me lynched because he knows I'm a townie. Also I know the quality of my posts have been pretty shit, because I am new and terrible at this game maybe, but I don't see how the poor quality of my posts makes me a suspect for mafia. It just makes me easier to read if anything IMO. But let me give you a little peak into lvdrs mind right now. He thinks, ok who is a townie i can easily target. Ah kush said some dumb shit so everyone will agree with me to get rid of him. | ||
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What i think about your read on Lvdr is possibly you are also mafia and you are protecting him. I don't like the leadership role you took in the beginning and I think it reeks of mafia. You are playing the role of the townsperson in order to protect yourself except you are going overboard and acting as if you are the super townsperson. Fact: you are the best townsperson so far, in terms of questioning people and intiating discussion. That in itself should be suspect. Your read on alvar is essentially that he is doing the same thing as everyone else. But he is making new people write stuff so that he can accuse them. What do I think about this random complicated meta? How the hell should I know. I dont even know how to check that stuff. Oh and who agrees with his meta theories, it's you. Good cop bad cop type thing going on here. Except you're not cops your mafia. ##FOS:thrawn2112 ##FOS:lvdr And please don't think that Im mafia beaucse I'm spreading confusion or whatever. I know no one is going to agree with me but I just want to be able to say I told you so when these two guys who are clearly working together end up being the mafia. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote: I don't believe the JK claim. That's why I voted Kush. If you don't believe the claim, then you should pretty much auto-vote him. But that doesn't mean I think there's more to talk about with Kush than there is with Lvdr. Does that make sense? So basically you started accusing lvdr after he began to accuse you. I see this as you just trying to save yourself and again turn the focus on others. Tell me who to save and I will do it to prove that I am jk. | ||
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If you are mafia why would you vote for me? Now this is clear. It's so you don't have to kill me during the night (because you know I'm JK). You get the town to lynch me so you can kill a better player in the nighttime. That is your motivation for voting for me. | ||
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To other people in the thread let me just say that being a bad poster doens't make you mafia. Nothing about WeeTee screams mafia to me. He is just acting kind of like a defensive ass. The only person who I believe has truly shown signs of being mafia is shady. On more than 1 occasion he has said "well i want to lynch this person but if you lynch this dude thats cool too." He basically wants to lynch everyone suspicious. Also I do not think people are really paying enough attention to the fact that he instavoted me after i roleclaimed. That makes ZERO sense for a townsperson because, as Alsn stated, my roleclaim can be CONFIRMED soon. | ||
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##Vote WeeTee | ||
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As for WeeTee, his motivation for voting for me makes no sense, also it pisses me off on a personal level, true, but that is only secondary to how it makes absolutely no sense. Therefore I am voting for him. ##vote WeeTee | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah i'm kinda irritated at shady, he was super active then goes afk from the thread. Dude shadys is hella mafia you will realize this soon. Also if WeeTee is mafia it will also be easy because he plays pretty bad. So I guess I will cave to the pressure and vote dandel ion ##vote dandel ion | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:09 Shady Sands wrote: Where did Kush go? FoS KushM4sta How long are we going to go tolerating his sheeping OMGUS bullshit? Hi I'm here. I didn't vote for WeeTee beacuse I'm smart and I know hes not mafia. Its dandel and shady who are my two top picks. | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:11 Lvdr wrote: I like a Dandel/Shady Scumteam right now. I agree with this 100% guys. I have been saying it all along. | ||
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It was because the entire town was against me, due to me being a bad townie. I figure if I'm going to be killed by town anyway, I would rather prove my innocence to town and force mafia to essentially waste a kill on me. Here is why I believe roleclaiming confirms that I am town. And I have said this many times before but I guess everyone skips my posts because they re so bad. I will say who I am going to roleblock. Then that person can confirm that I roleblocked them, which proves that I AM JK. I cannot prove it now but by tomorrow it will be proven. Roleclaiming is a self sacrificial action on my part and everyone should be thanking me for it. I realize how worthless I am as a townie so I am taking the bullet for someone who is better town. Please understand this and love me for it. | ||
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the first person so start changing peoples minds was shady. On August 26 2012 05:15 Shady Sands wrote: I dont buy Lvdr's Dandel case. I think he's trying to sheep town into a mislynch. More coming soon. His case was basically Lvdr had accused 3 different people, which discredits him because is too many, even though shady himself has accused I think 4 people. Then later there is this gem. On August 26 2012 05:44 Shady Sands wrote: Unless your read on Dandel is 100% scum, you should be voting WeeTee. Who can have a 100% read day 1? It's impossible. Furthermore, he has not explained why he is the only person who still suspects me. I mean many people have said it, my innocence can be CONFIRMED. Yet he still wants to lynch me and suspects me? I guess he is just ignoring this glaring inconsistency under the guise of not wanting to discuss me because I'm a waste of time. Yet he will waste time calling me out when im absent from the thread for a few hours. And now for his latest remark. On August 26 2012 20:10 Shady Sands wrote: Either you believe Kush or you don't, Dandel. And if you don't, Kush is a clear lynch. It's not either you believe me or you don't. Have you ever heard of uncertainty, shady? Or are you just pressuring people into lynching townies again? | ||
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On August 26 2012 21:36 Spaghetticus wrote: And is it just me or has Kush suddenly become easily understandable? I don't only refer to how he is generally presenting a similar position to me, but his writing has improved faster than I thought possible. That is because I had no idea what was going on and now I understand better how this game works. | ||
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There is one thing in your post I agree with, the last part. On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. That is why people should decide who I RB. They can pick the least scummy person to minimize the chance that it will be my "scumbuddy." As for lvdr, I find your case against him an exaggeration. On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: Again, Kush isn't listening to others or making a good case. My case on Lvdr is not in how many people he was accusing but the way in which he was doing it. He was FoSing and voting people without giving them a chance to respond, in the last 12 hours before the lynch. And he was rapidly switching his targets as he did so. This is a classic scum technique to find out who is AFK/busy so they can set up a mislynch wagon, especially given that most of the town was undecided at that point. He claims he FOSed a bunch of people rapidly because he was trying to prevent lurkers. He uses the FOS differently than he should perhaps but to me it makes sense. Yes he voted for weetee at first then change his vote to dandelion, but why would mafia do that if weetee was town anyway? Also many people changed their vote from dandelion to weetee. Changing your vote does not make you mafia. @thrawn You have actually been riding shady's dick quite hard this game. I'm not saying it makes you suspicious but maybe you are putting too much stock in his meta. | ||
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On August 26 2012 22:23 thrawn2112 wrote: It wouldn't be absolute proof. You could always get roleblocked by mafia and then your roleblock wouldn't go through Oh no. I reread the rules. The scum RB is just going to RB me, so my RB isn't going to go through. I did not realize this. | ||
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So in that case it doesn't matter who i roleblock, because the scum RB will rb me and my rb will never go through. If we RB each other then scum RB will be informed that I RB him, but he's never going to share that information. | ||
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On August 27 2012 06:12 Lvdr wrote: Kush, for the future, the idea is you try to set a WIFOM mindbomb for the mafia. This was a tough situatio nthough. Kush, for the future, do not roleclaim day 1 for no reason. | ||
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On August 27 2012 10:50 Spaghetticus wrote: Kush is now confirmed town unless someone comes forward and claims they were also nightblocked. If this does not happen, then I am going to start FoSing anyone who questions him for deliberate attempts to spread confusion. I actually agree with shadys reasoning that I cannot be 100% confirmed town. Before I thought I could be confirmed, but I didn't realize then that mafia could roleblock my roleblock. What could have happened is the hypothetical real JK RBed a mafia, so that is why no one else is coming out saying they were RBed. | ||
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On August 26 2012 17:32 thrawn2112 wrote: Well it seems like shady and lvdr are incredibly pissed at each other. I sense a lot of tension between them and that strikes me as townish behavior because I don't think scum would bus each other as hard as they are doing. Shady looks more townish than lvdr, because lvdr has made quite a few posts based on inaccuracies and he's backtracked on his words a few times. However lvdr has given acceptable town motivations for a lot of his posts so I'm gonna say that they are both town and they need to calm the fuck down. Dandel lon barely avoided being lynched yesterday so I'm gonna focus on him right now. It's very suspicious that he almost got lynched and then a townie got lynched instead... so I'm going to read through the posts made during the last few hours of D1. I am growing less suspicious of Shady, just because 2 people have played with him before, lvdr and thrawn, and they confirm that how he is acting fits his meta. As for the lvdr and shady conflict, it does seem out of no where but they are bringing it in from another game. I don't see why that makes them both town. I think one could be mafia and the past conflict almost gives him an excuse to tunnel an innocent townie. @thrawn I really think dandel ion is town. I cannot see someone rolling mafia as being that ambivalent, because mafia the more coveted role. Even if I only had 2 hours of free time a day, if I rolled mafia I would try to make it work. | ||
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I would still vote for him though, because I think if he does turn scum, that would do a lot to alleviate my suspicion of shady. Here's why I think dandel and shady cant be a scumteam. On August 26 2012 20:27 Shady Sands wrote: What the hell? Town hasn't been pushing you nearly as hard as Kush or WT or even me, for that matter. If you've got some time now, spit out your reads. And asking to quit like this is just bad play. If you're going to AFK from thread because you don't like the game anymore, PM a mod, don't say it in the thread. Read the exchange. To me it says these guys are either both town or only one is scum. | ||
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On August 27 2012 15:36 mkfuba07 wrote: 1. Shady is actually JK and that explains his powerful suspicions of kush 2. There is not a JK, so no one else is voting to support Shady's kush lynch 3. Shady tried to push a lynch on kush because he was an easy target and didn't gather enough support or 4, I am JK and shady is town, but he mistakenly believes I am scum. I think 4 is quite possible and shady is just unksilled at reads. | ||
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##vote Dandel Ion | ||
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As JK can I protect myself? How do the two mafia communicate with each other? | ||
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On August 29 2012 02:38 mkfuba07 wrote: I'd like to add that if Dandel flips red then we have at least one confirmed townie, possibly more. At the very least Lvdr would be confirmed to me. Yeah I agree with this. Lvdr was rallying my vote quite enthusiastically to lynch Dandel. And upon reconsideration, I no longer would rule out the possibility of a shady/dandel scumteam. As for shady, I am in agreement with mkfuba that shady is very suspicious. His accusations just do not seem like they are honest scumhunting. Instead, he makes these accusations, most memorably towards lvdr and me, just because he thinks he can get away with them. And he is very emphatic about these accusations even though they are not even close to sure things. Think about in shady's bad case against me. I agree there could be some suspicion following my roleclaim, just because I said I could 100% confirm, and that didn't turn out to be the case. I did not realize at the time that my roleblock could be roleblocked. But in all of his many posts accusing me, Shady never brought up the real reason why my roleblock could not be confirmed. Instead this is his most detailed reasoning: On August 26 2012 20:59 Shady Sands wrote: I don't buy your JK claim at all. Never have, never will, unless you die and flip JK. Even if someone else claims they were RB'd, it could just be your scumbuddy in which case woohoo! We have our two scum. But doing what shady suggests would lose the game instantly for mafia. @thrawn Are you really sure this is his meta? It's his meta to be actively bad town? | ||
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I remember shady giving this as another reasons why my confirmation is invalid...even though I would had to have based my false claim on the random chance that there was no JK to roleblock a townie. | ||
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Is it possible IN THIS GAME for mods to never have assigned the JK role? If so what is the chance that there is no JK? | ||
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On August 29 2012 07:06 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, and in case it wasn't clear from my previous posts, I still think Shady is the final scum. Oh shady is definitely scum. Look at the lynch vote lol...two scum voting for lvdr everyone else voting for dandel. I'm just going to tell everyone right now that i jailed shadysands. I already sent the message to the mod. I don't want any more town casualties, and to jail someone else would just allow shady to kill again. | ||
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also you should never have pretended to suspect me and you should have just killed me n1. | ||
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