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don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards. | ||
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On August 22 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Ohai I'm town you doubt it come and make my day bro. Reap the whirlwhind, etc. etc. I really want you to be scum so I can find out if my activity tell on you is true or not :-) Need that third data point in the scum column. | ||
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On August 22 2012 03:19 marvellosity wrote: Random lynch sounds awesome. Especially if we don't look at past games where Palmar suggested random lynch. What's this reference? Is this bureaucracy stuff? I didn't follow that one closely. | ||
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I don't follow the newbie games but it seems like you all know each other. Gimme your meta thoughts on each other. Right now I only really have a sense for how VE and marv play out of everyone in this game. | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Pretty much all the hosts use QT...but pretty much all the hosts create them as hidden, too. :/ Yeah, that was a bad experience. I had a similar one in a concurrent game *glare talis* <3 I knew you were scum before I found it! | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:38 Shady Sands wrote: Are you asking for everyone's filters from prior games? Lord no. I'm interested in just quick summaries of your observations of the people you've played with before. For instance: VE - as town tends to be spammy, more composed as scum (but got called out for it last game and is therefore at least theoretically capable of masking that). Very active. marv - as both alignments is always reading the thread and reacting to it. prefers quick-paced discussion to longer posts but will make the big cases if he has to. has a rep as afearsome mafia player but I've personally never played against him, only with him as town. very unafraid of the spotlight. | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:44 Obvious.660 wrote: Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting. Do you think VE seriously wants to lynch palmar? What do you think his motivations are for prodding you about it? | ||
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VE I was with you on shady until he started going after kville. I thought the reasoning behind going for lurkers smelled like bs but the way he went after kville was genuine. like picking up on the fact that marv was out of kville's list is a townie trait and it all fits with what people say about him being a tunneler. | ||
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On August 23 2012 03:26 Shady Sands wrote: Thanks for the support... what's your read on KVille? lean scum. I really like the marv thing you pointed out and the part where he threw up three names on a list without really saying why those names were there. I think he was mimicking palmar without realizing you can't just call someone suspicious without saying why. | ||
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On August 23 2012 04:42 marvellosity wrote: VE, I don't think Shady is a good lynch today. Kville still hasn't done anything to show me he's town. talis is continuing his trend by leaning scum on someone without accompanying it with a vote. One player that has come up for me is Lvdr. He says this: followed by being extremely uncontroversial. See: continuing my trend of what? I never vote early D1. I'm not a fan of how my name keeps floating up for seemingly no reason. He wants to be controversial, except there's nothing to talk about, and even when pressed he still wouldn't commit to any sort of read. Finally we have That's what it looks like indeed. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr | ||
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I think I typed in the quote: "continuing my trend of what? I never vote early D1. I'm not a fan of how my name keeps floating up for seemingly no reason." | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:00 marvellosity wrote: VE, go read the first cycle of my game for homework. doesn't give me a townread on shady but it stops me from having the scumread that you have. what is this? Are you completely neutral on him? I can see being completely neutral on some other players in the game but he's stuck out so much it's hard not to classify him into one camp or the other. | ||
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intriguing. anyone else out there with posting mannerisms thjat have caught your attention? | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:41 marvellosity wrote: I would lean town side of null, due to his activity levels and he was less controversial than he was as scum in XXIII. VE gives the scum-side well enough. It's why I want more time with him. What do you make of Lvdr and Kville now he's posted his "I got home" post? I was expecting some scumhunting from Kville but instead only got a terribad defence. They're my two red reads at the moment. I'm with you on kville because he has yet to explain why he found the people he listed suspicious. there should have been something in his head when he did that but he hasn't shared it. Lvdr voting for VE in one post with extremely light support and then agreeing with him publicly two posts later on pg 23 is not typical scum play. Like you would do that as scum, maybe. I don't know about him. | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:59 Shady Sands wrote: FYI, what are your top scumreads at the moment? Anyone deserving of an FoS or vote? kville for reasons stated. djasldkfhlskad because his first post didn't sit well with me. too overcomposed, nothiung like the kind of posts he made pre-game. he was also more engaged pre-game than in the game. but he's strange to read because his top suspect changes every few posts and I don't know why. for some reason I was his top suspect, but it was never explained why that was the case, even though he at least posted some about obvious when he FoS'd him. | ||
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On August 23 2012 06:26 Lvdr wrote: People who have played with VE before, What do you think of his case against Shady? VE is way more active now than he was in his last scum game. It's plausible that he's forcing himself to do so and I kind of wondered about that early on but he's managed to keep it up. If he's scum eventually he will start to drop off, even if he tries not to. Just how it goes for active players that are less so as scum. | ||
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On August 23 2012 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote: This doesn't the question LoveDoctor asked at all. FYI yeah I wasn't answering his question | ||
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On August 23 2012 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah. That was my point. Thanks for clearing that up. You've played with me and are therefor qualified to answer the question. Why didn't you? lvdr thinks you're scum, I doubt that you are, therefore I post | ||
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On August 23 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: AH, the CRUX. In asking if I have a history of "successfully reading scum D1", ven if I have 100% accuracy in the past, this is completely meaningless unless you are operating under the premise that I'm town and am READING Shady. It shows his true thoughts on me (that I'm town) hiding beneath his actions (his vote, the questions, the ruse) and betrays preexisting knowledge of my alignment. Chez, you truly are inspirational. ##Unvote ##Vote Lvdr holy shit that's genius ##vote:lvdr | ||
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On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote: PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster mafia!!! people that know chezinu - does he claim mafia when he's mafia? or when he's town? | ||
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On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote: PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster mafia!!! reposting this: I have read this like ten times now and it seems pretty clear that he is claiming mafia. Is this... I mean, what? Is this really a troll? I can't understand it from either alignment unless it's just a straight-up slip. | ||
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oh that does make sense too. though if I were mafia and chez was town and decided to start troll-mode I think I'd be pretty happy but maybe chez just thinks really highly of his "methods" | ||
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On August 23 2012 07:35 Lvdr wrote: Also, my questioning was designed to refine my read on VE. Because nobody was answering my questions, I tried rephrasing them multiple times. Somehow that turned into a scumslip? It really did sound like you were presuming him innocent despite the fact that you're voting for him. Not just in that question but in the previous ones as well. | ||
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off to bed, I'll read through in the am. | ||
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1) iamperfection possible scum. active lurked the entire lynch and near lynch time did nothing to push his strongest scum read BL. let others do it. then hopped off bl with little comment. 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 3) kville might just be a young kid and not scum. his delurk timing was pretty awesome just now thoguh. 4) lvdr I completely read that wrong. null. 5) shady is town. he cares and maintains his pressure. 6) VE is still probably town. | ||
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Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps | ||
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On August 27 2012 14:46 Djagulingu wrote: It was half bait half serious. All Chezinu did in day 1 was to look active and bandwagon Obv down. Then, he was also bandwagoning Lvdr until I called him out. Then he switches his vote on me, again in a bandwagoning fashion, creating an NL. Back in day 1, when we literally had little to no information, that's what I thought. If Lvdr flips scum, I would pretty much confirm that you are a townie. But, seeing how Lvdr is suspicious, you could have been a scumbag trying to bandwagon him down into a mislynch in day 1 knowing that he's a townie. So yes, if Lvdr flipped a scumbag, I wouldn't suspect you. After all, a day1 bus play is too balls-to-the-wall to execute. Sorry still sorting through things from the past couple days. DJ what do you mean by "half-bait"? What were you trying to bait with that post? Like, did you intend for that post to be a little trap of some sort, and if so how would that work? | ||
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On August 28 2012 02:59 Djagulingu wrote: WIFOM Mindbomb? Well, I can agree with the mindbomb part but it is hardly wifom. Let me clear the process for you: 1- I was really thinking that Lvdr is a scumbag 2- I voted for him 3- I saw Chezinu voting for him, he had no reasons unlike me. Horrible or not, at least I had my reasons. 4- I looked at Chezinu's voting history. 5- I saw that Chezinu bandwagoned for Obvious as well, with no reason on him either. 6- I posted that thing, which got me bandwagoned and almost lynched. 7- I saw Chezinu bandwagoning on me too, again with no reason. Up until step 3, I was just trying to get a scumbag lynched. In step 3, I saw the opportunity. Up until step 6, my plan was the following: 1- OK, let's lynch Lovedoc. If he flips scum, we got one. 2- If he flips town, people who bandwagoned for Obvious and Lovedoc are scumbags. At the step 6 though, a slight change in the plans happened, VERY accidentally. 2nd voting evidence was now ME instead of Lovedoc and we had a NL instead of a Lvdr lynch. But at the end of step 7, I now have 3 voting evidences instead of 2, thanks to Chezinu bandwagoning both me AND Lvdr. Oh ok I guess this is the meaning behind half-bait. So it wasn't really a bait in the first place, it was a bait after the fact. | ||
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I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon. | ||
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I had one before and still do. I was hoping to get some reaction from him before jumping down his throat or anything though. | ||
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This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait: On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions. | ||
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ok let me gather my reads n shit. | ||
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but then this from today is kinda funny: On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote: Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning) Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town. Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow. That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point. Does the town know who made the shot Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me. 1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though. 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=25#497 This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment. Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity. On August 29 2012 14:08 Lvdr wrote: I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops). The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games. I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play. Hence, ##vote:Talismania classic scum forgetting what he wrote earlier. ##vote:lvdr | ||
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On August 30 2012 05:05 marvellosity wrote: talis' defence is "i don't give a shit about this game" brilliant. Lynch this guy. to be honest it hasn't seemed like you've cared much either. or anyone else except maybe shady. sometimes games get like this. | ||
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On August 30 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote: he said null. then he listed a couple of things he found scummy and said maybe he'd talked himself into a scumread. Later he said he was scum. Fairly obvious progression. it's in the fucking quotes you pasted. talis, I have 11 pages of filter despite being away for the weekend. Screw you about me "not caring". it's one thing to say "ok now that he's done some stuff I now think he's scum" and quite another to say "I agree with myself previously when I said he was scum". One is a progression, the other is forgetting what he wrote. also you always have long filters marv. but why is it that shady seems more like a town leader than you? | ||
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1) All anyone seems to have on me is that I have been inactive. I have been inactive. I have also been busy. Because I am busy, I am inactive. I even said pre-game that I thought I wouldn't be able to be as active as I was in mad men and I even I underestimated how much shit I would have to do then. 2) If I'm scum the NKs don't make sense. Why do I kill BL, who had a townish read on me coming into this lylo situation? Why is marv still alive, when he's been gunning for me forever? Milton wasn't on my case either - why him and not shady, for instance? 3) DJ is one of the scum. Pregame - spammy, eager. During the game - composed, longer posts, less active. Day one - first post is a giant commentary on nothing. All thread response and talk about palmar's randokill thing, the perfect topic for scum to talk about in order to look like they're contributing without doing so. Many of his day one posts are nothing but following the way the wind blows. Obvious comes up, he'll look into him. Marv votes kville? DJ will go for kville as a lurker. Etc. Day two - the lvdr and bait debacle. He votes for lvdr because he supposedly thinks he's scum and if he's not suspects that a wagon on him will draw out real scum. Nevermind that this is a stupid way to trap scum in the first place, it's also likely he invented his explanation for the sequence of events posthoc. Day three - after catching me in his trap (somehow? I vote at the end of day two without even reading and saw he had four votes and I was already suspicious of him), he completely reverts his vote off me, happy to lynch lvdr: On August 30 2012 05:17 Djagulingu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr From one of my top scum reads to another. I'm going to bed now, it's 11 PM here and I got work tomorrow, shift starts 3 hours after voting deadline. Uh, look at his filter going backwards from this post. Lvdr was nowhere near the top of his list near as I can tell. It was me, chezinu, maybe iamp. This is scum opportunism. 4) Marv is one of the scum. VE was right about him. He should be more in charge than he is. He has pushed me nonstop on the basis of nothing but meta. If he were town, I can't see him being like "oh let's do this and lynch talismania" at lylo. He may feel very strongly about me, but he would pressure everyone else in town to get their reads on everyone. He would carefully consider his options. His confidence in my lynch is misplaced for what it should be. This goes for DJ as well. Contrast this with how iamp and shady are actually thinking about things before they make up their minds and whatnot for example. Leads into my last point: 5) People this is the end of the game. Think carefully about what you're doing. ##vote: dj | ||
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Biggest problem was that all the townies didn't know the vet's meta and didn't respect the idea of meta in the first place. I was supposed to be lynched day two. If the deadline wasn't so late we would have won with a last minute vote switch day four and had a perfect game. Ve having to sub out was a blow as well. | ||
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also I lied about most of the irl stuff >_> | ||
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Nah it was a fake broken wrist before =P The true stuff was that I really only can post when I'm at work. And weekend posting is therefore difficult but I never went camping | ||
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On September 05 2012 17:22 Djagulingu wrote: You teach me how to read marv and I teach you how to read Chezinu OK? read marv's mad men filter. read his filter here. you should be able to spot the difference. (while you're at it, compare my mad men filter to my filter here LOL) | ||
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