Normal Mini Mafia III

On August 17 2012 05:33 Djagulingu wrote:

This newbin in my blood, it came from a family tree. My grandaddy was a newb. My great great grandadddy was a newb. I'm talkin' bout newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN.

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On August 17 2012 22:07 Djagulingu wrote:

To the country that shares its name with a bird species

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On August 19 2012 21:15 Palmar wrote:
role received, I'm a cop.

On August 20 2012 03:00 Palmar wrote:
We never roll the same alignment btw.

On August 21 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
fuck you

edit: and...



no u

On August 22 2012 05:56 Obvious.660 wrote:
Random, the lynch must not be. A monarchist, we must kill, yes? Hmhmhmhmhmhm! Yes!

On August 22 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
was it random? or did you in fact simply choose Palmar.

On August 22 2012 07:47 Obvious.660 wrote:

I said we shouldn't focus on lurkers for the first 24 hours, so we can talk about, you know, things that don't involve lurkers that might get us somewhere, y'feelme? You don't have to like my humor, either mang.

I'm suspicious of you for not tunneling the shit out of anyone yet. Where's the crazy outspoken town Shady Sands I've witnessed?

On August 22 2012 07:59 Chezinu wrote:
This thread is extremely boring. I am not allowed to lighten up the thread, because I am playing a sane game.

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
4.) Bluelightz
5.) Obvious.660
6.) iamperfection
7.) Shady Sands
8.) Djagulingu
9.) Palmar
10.) Kville
11.) VisceraEyes
12.) Chezinu

Let us first look at the setup. We have 12 players and 3 of them are mafia. From the list, I recognized 3 players that i have played with previously. The majority of the players are from the United States, we have one from Indonesia, one from the United Kingdom, one from Iceland, and another from nowhere land. As the thread seems dead, I would predict based upon the location of the users playing this game that they are mostly likely coming home from work or in class and will start posting soon. This game will be a bit challenging for me with the majority of the players being new in terms of playing with me.

On August 22 2012 08:15 Obvious.660 wrote:

I'll discuss the idea of Palmar scum in the context of him being serious about a random lynch:I don't have a history with him so I'm just taking that for what it is. Chezinu chimes in with this:I don't know what to make of Chezinu intentionally changing his meta for this game. He's being up front about it so it's possible he's just experimenting with something regardless of role/alignment. This post from Chezinu is the most useful I have seen regarding whether or not to take Palmar at his word about being pro-random lynch.

All I'm taking away from this at this point is that I now know that any possible meta-analysis of Chezinu is going to be more difficult should it come to that, and that Palmar is probably just going with his meta (joking/not joking about random lynch) and we, the town, decide how to react to it.

On August 22 2012 08:26 talismania wrote:
I can't believe people are taking the random lynch thing seriously. Actually to be completely honest it feels like the people I recognize aren't taking it seriously but are goading on the ones I don't know who are. The suggestion felt to me initially like palmar was just juicing the thread. I can't believe he actually thinks it's good.

On August 22 2012 08:27 talismania wrote:
I swear I don't remember it from pick your power redux though. He feels it's strong? Or does he do it as a dumb trap or something, which is how I initially read it.

On August 22 2012 08:31 Shady Sands wrote:


I sure did. Never to trust a quicktopic thread again.

On August 22 2012 08:37 talismania wrote:


<3 I knew you were scum before I found it!

On August 22 2012 08:44 Obvious.660 wrote:

Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting.

On August 22 2012 09:18 Lvdr wrote:
The people I have played with are ShadySands and iamperfection. Limited sample size though. ~1.5 days total

Shady can tunnel hard as town. More lurky as mafia.
iamperfection doesn't like being pushed for analysis, even as town. can appear scummy.

I wouldn't read too much into their meta because they're probably still really fluid.

In my past 2 games I've tended to be very controversial early d1 to attract suspicion.

On August 22 2012 09:48 Lvdr wrote:
To jump back to the rando-lynch topic:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=12#235

In this post you explain the strategy, but it doesn't seem particularly strong.

1. There is a good argument for a townie to be against it: more likely to kill town than mafia.
2. If it becomes policy, mafia would have to be insane to try and back out... particularly after a name is chosen.
3. If it is adopted unanimously, there will be no 'voting evidence' to look at later on in the game.

On August 22 2012 10:52 Palmar wrote:
VE, you're boring.

Do you want to lynch that Obvious guy?

On August 22 2012 11:19 iamperfection wrote:
the perfect one graces you with his presence.

Any particlar questions while i read through the thread? from my brief glance i am opposed to random lynch because i think its stupid.

On August 22 2012 12:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Throughout his filter, Shady Sands does nothing but fling baseless suspicion around the thread at anyone posting for any reason. Go look for yourself, he literally hasn't said anything of substance for me to quote as proof. Every post he makes is a leading, accusatory, one-time interaction with someone in the thread...or arguing with marvellosity. Never have we seen a read or an opinion of his own. Even in arguing with marvellosity I don't get the feeling that Shady thinks marv is scum - and that DOMINATES his filter.

##Unvote
##Vote Shady Sands

On August 23 2012 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone get your votes on Shady right now

Shady Sands is SCUM, and the fact that everyone ignored me when I said that initially irks me to no end.

His first act coming back was to throw his vote on a LURKER guys. Why? "Because lurkers are so dangerous - we should kill a random lurker, like this" and voted Kville. But now, NOW that he's active and no one is looking at him, NOW we should be lynching SCUMMY behavior. NOT lurkers. Because there are STILL lurkers out there - talis and iamperfect BOTH still fit the profile of "dangerous-to-town lurkers", but as we can see from Shady's play, he was never really interested in lynching lurkers to help the town. He was interested in lynching lurkers because they were easy targets for him at the time.

Stop being bad, start being good. Vote Shady Sands 'cause I'm in no mood.

On August 22 2012 13:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually Bz and Chezinu can be added to those four names, so after Shady flips it's not all titties and beer just yet...but yeah, confidence high on shadyScum right now.

On August 23 2012 05:13 Kville wrote:
Ok sorry,

Reason im not scum in order by my filter
-I was thrown under bus becuase i was supposed lurker
-Tried to counter the vote and suspected marv based on his recent one liners and random lynch on me
-All i tired to do was end the accusations on me
-Turned heads towards shady based on filters between VE and shady even more so since the recent ones came out.
-obvious filters seem out of ordinary as well same as marvs

Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school).

If anything im liking VEs choice and the way he is basing his decisions.

On August 23 2012 05:24 Shady Sands wrote:


Thrown under the bus? Who threw you under the bus?

Your defense is:

--people are picking on me
--I tried to defend but I was at school/afk
--point fingers at shady, obvious, and marv (forgetting about the other lurker, talis? or are you not looking at lurkers anymore?)
--then saying "fuck it, im just gna sheep VE"

and finally a semi-slip by using the phrase thrown under the bus

This is either terribad town play or... terribad scum play. It's so off the scale, i'm not even sure how to read it

On August 23 2012 05:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Also, VE, note that my point was part of a slew of other scumpoints that KVille had accumulated. Your case on me was built on only the point that I'd shifted from lynch-lurker to tunnel-KV.

On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Greetings town,

Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.

PS: What are your methods to find scum?

On August 23 2012 05:57 Shady Sands wrote:


Your scum-reads before I came back into the thread were incoherent (kind of like Chezinu's post above), so I ignored those. Your accusation after I came back into the thread made some sense so I responded to it and I remember it.

On August 22 2012 12:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
YOU'RE ALL SUSPICIOUS.

Yes, even you.

But we have a common enemy. One who cares not for finding scum, who cares for nothing but himself. I'll tell you his name.

Shady Sands

Whatever you think of me, I can assure you this one means you harm. Hide your kids. HIDE YOUR WIVES!!!!!

On August 22 2012 12:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Throughout his filter, Shady Sands does nothing but fling baseless suspicion around the thread at anyone posting for any reason. Go look for yourself, he literally hasn't said anything of substance for me to quote as proof. Every post he makes is a leading, accusatory, one-time interaction with someone in the thread...or arguing with marvellosity. Never have we seen a read or an opinion of his own. Even in arguing with marvellosity I don't get the feeling that Shady thinks marv is scum - and that DOMINATES his filter.

##Unvote
##Vote Shady Sands

On August 23 2012 06:32 talismania wrote:


VE is way more active now than he was in his last scum game. It's plausible that he's forcing himself to do so and I kind of wondered about that early on but he's managed to keep it up. If he's scum eventually he will start to drop off, even if he tries not to. Just how it goes for active players that are less so as scum.

On August 23 2012 06:39 talismania wrote:


yeah I wasn't answering his question

On August 23 2012 06:41 Shady Sands wrote:
KVille is home now. Where is his promised case/defense? Or was what he posted basically it?

Because if that's all he brings to the table, then he is my clearest scumread ATM and I am officially switching from a rando-vote on KVille to a vote based on a scumread.

On August 23 2012 06:46 Chezinu wrote:
Wait a minute... Where is Palmas?

On August 23 2012 06:48 talismania wrote:


lvdr thinks you're scum, I doubt that you are, therefore I post

On August 23 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote:
Take 3: Does VE have a history of successfully reading scum d1? aka What is the chance that Shady flips red based on Ve's read?

On August 23 2012 07:00 Chezinu wrote:
PS: You guys were suppose to talk about my question when I was sane so that I could get some reads BUT NOOOOO you guys had to get me all paranoid so that I went Chezinu!! You just couldn't take it! You called my sane postins NOTHING and TROLLING!! I NEVER GET CALLED THAT WHEN I DOOOO TROLL!!!!! You unleashed a monster, mafia!!!

On August 23 2012 07:10 Shady Sands wrote:


I'm flipping through his filter right now, to see if we can do any association scumtells.

On August 23 2012 08:52 iamperfection wrote:
in other news i am still suspicious of bluelightz.

he has provided no reads and continues to lurk. I would encourage everyone to take a closer look at him.



his main defense i find to be less than substantial. He seem to be more attacking me than just simply answering the questions. His snarky remarks also don help if he truely is town why dosent he just defend himself and start hunting scum?

I want blueligtz in here now and i want him to give us more to go on.

Also i dont think lvdr is scum and i dont think that was a slip.

On August 23 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
VE: wasn't directed at me, but here we go.

Went back and reread, and I really think you're making too much of the Lvdr thing. You were his scumread, but he was entertaining the notion that you might be town and was trying to get additional information. I get the incongruity that you pointed out, but I can understand the townie side of it too.

What did get my attention is Chezinu, though. I don't like his lapse into trolliness at all (and not just because I dislike trolliness!). Both his return to trolliness and his explanation of it seems very much like a defense mechanism. Townies have no reason to be defensive in that situation, mafia do.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chezinu

On August 23 2012 11:31 Chezinu wrote:
hmm, I was reading the op and noticed that one can have royal blood without knowing it.

Does the person with Royal Blood win with town? or both? or you can't disclose this information?

Also, how much time do we have?

On August 23 2012 12:48 iamperfection wrote:
he makes random statments that make no sense and talks in the 3rd person. His logic is almost always wrong and even if its right its useless to make case from it since it never makes sense.

On August 23 2012 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
So, are we just going to ignore Chezinu then? No-one has anything to say about how he abandoned his sane game?

On August 24 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote:


someone attacking someone I have a townread on has to be scum? why?

On August 24 2012 06:59 Shady Sands wrote:


VE you still haven't answered my fucking question. Why is BL innocent.

On August 24 2012 09:24 Shady Sands wrote:


Wha? Lynch for information? This is a clear scum-tell. Either lynch for scumminess or don't lynch at all.

On August 24 2012 10:10 Bluelightz wrote:


The guy commuted a larger offense.

On August 24 2012 10:15 Bluelightz wrote:


I'm gonna get mislynched, thanks.

On August 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
oh shit. Bluelightz is probably town. Unless this is an insane stunt (which I don't think BL is capable of), my own personal metaread on him (quite proud of its accuracy) is that as townie he's obsessed with other townies, and as scum with scum. His spreadsheet, while ridiculous, absolutely shows his mindset this game. His response also feels townie since he got back.

I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option.

##Unvote
##Vote: Obvious.660

On August 24 2012 08:20 Shady Sands wrote:


The reason I'm not defending Obvious is because Obv is in no danger of being lynched. If I see a townie about to be lynched, I'd defend them, simple as that, especially in a case like this where a clear wagon was being formed and the deadline was hours away.

I thought this is something you'd do as well, especially given that you flat out stated that every townie is precious in a mini game.

On August 24 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:


A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads.

On August 25 2012 09:54 marvellosity wrote:
i gotta go to bed. assuming i'm around we should take a good look at talis. lurking isn't like town him, and his 'thoughts' post last page said so little.

On August 25 2012 11:05 Shady Sands wrote:
Surprised I didn't get whacked.

Anyhow, everybody: No vigi hit on Lvdr means I say we lynch him. Please read my case above, and consider that a starting point for our D2 discussion.

On August 25 2012 11:15 Bluelightz wrote:


I'm gonna get mis-lynched if you keep on thinking like this.

On August 25 2012 11:21 Bluelightz wrote:


Do ye know something I don't? (He say's I am going to get mislynched, how does he know?)