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On August 14 2012 12:59 GMarshal wrote:

Didn't you request replacement in the last newbie game?

On August 16 2012 22:25 Obvious.660 wrote:

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Just to add a couple.

On August 22 2012 06:31 Obvious.660 wrote:

1/4 is pushing it. Consider that a random "whatever whoever" lynch only promotes people to defend themselves, and not scum partners, essentially leaving you at a 1/11 chance the next day when there are no clear links established between players post-flip. I consider random voting a good way to waste an entire day cycle and lose at least two of our fellow townsmen/women (one to lynch, one to NK) in the process.

Since when is 1 in 4 good odds? Those of you who are FOR a random lynch, what makes you comfortable betting your life against 1 in 4 odds? Tell you what, we'll put everyone who is okay with a random lynch into the random-lynch pool and we'll randomly lynch from that pool, just so everyone is okay with it, deal?

On August 22 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:


Might take the suggestion seriously if you didn't have your vote on someone who's made several posts already

On August 22 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
was it random? or did you in fact simply choose Palmar.

On August 22 2012 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
no, but it'd make me feel better if you didn't bs me ^^

On August 22 2012 07:23 marvellosity wrote:
you want me to talk about policy instead of picking up on actual events in thread?

On August 22 2012 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no scummy candidate, I'm okay with lurker lynching. OH SHEWT NOW SCUMS GONNA NOT BE SCUMMY

Come on Shady. Are you interested in helping town? Did you random Palmar or didn't you? I happen to know that there's not an 11 sided dice, and if you excluded yourself then the vote isn't truly "random", so either answer the question truthfully and play the game with us, or refuse to answer the question and prepare to be bandwagoned into next Friday.

THE POWER IS YOURS!!!

On August 22 2012 07:33 Lvdr wrote:
I support lynching lurkers.

Just as a tidbit, I've never been mafia on here, but I decided that if I was: I would accuse a random player in the manner of Shady D1.

On August 22 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote:
Lurkers absolutely suck past day 2, so I agree that lurker lynches are a good fallback option. I'm also wary of easy lynches too. My experience with TL mafia has been that if it's too easy it's probably too good to be true. We're not even past 24 hours yet though so let's not get too ahead of ourselves by focusing on lurkers just yet.

Also, I agree with Shady that the LoveDoctor doesn't smell right. His olfactory glands are probably on his elbows.

On August 22 2012 07:59 Chezinu wrote:
This thread is extremely boring. I am not allowed to lighten up the thread, because I am playing a sane game.

1.) marvellosity
2.) talismania
3.) Lvdr
4.) Bluelightz
5.) Obvious.660
6.) iamperfection
7.) Shady Sands
8.) Djagulingu
9.) Palmar
10.) Kville
11.) VisceraEyes
12.) Chezinu

Let us first look at the setup. We have 12 players and 3 of them are mafia. From the list, I recognized 3 players that i have played with previously. The majority of the players are from the United States, we have one from Indonesia, one from the United Kingdom, one from Iceland, and another from nowhere land. As the thread seems dead, I would predict based upon the location of the users playing this game that they are mostly likely coming home from work or in class and will start posting soon. This game will be a bit challenging for me with the majority of the players being new in terms of playing with me.

On August 22 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:


That's not what he said, why are you saying it is?

On August 22 2012 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Could he be talking about the phenomenon of wagons not having any resistance when it's on a townie?

I think that's probably what he's referring to Shady...correct me if I'm wrong Obvious.

On August 22 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, Hapa's nothing to scoff at Lvdr - I take it you learned a valuable lesson that game?

On August 22 2012 08:35 talismania wrote:
Hey people I don't know: who are you and how you play?

I don't follow the newbie games but it seems like you all know each other. Gimme your meta thoughts on each other. Right now I only really have a sense for how VE and marv play out of everyone in this game.

On August 22 2012 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
And for what it's worth, I'm listening to Mudvayne right now, Mr. Bungle next...techno isn't in the rotation for...neigh on forever.

On August 22 2012 18:36 Djagulingu wrote:

I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23.

However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing.

On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though.

Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread).

On August 22 2012 21:42 Kville wrote:
Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front.

What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos.

If it makes you feel any better

#Vote marvellosity

On August 23 2012 01:02 Kville wrote:


The question of what i thought of talis and obvious?

Well i can't say much about talis but his posts do seem a little sketchy aslways as obvious. My top three suspects seem to be :
talis
obvious
shady

I'll post more about these three later when i get home from my classes.
Until then
##Unvote

On August 23 2012 01:20 Obvious.660 wrote:
Djagulingu, you're right and perhaps I should have cast my vote earlier in the game. I did, however, want to give the people who hadn't participated much a chance to show their initial scumminess before casting my first vote.

The first thing I want to bring up right now is BL (and others') suspicions of me for not voting Palmar based on being convinced that he truly intended to push for random lynch. Being my first game with Palmar, I wasn't certain that he was indeed serious about his claim there. My response to this line of inquiry about me was to, as VE put it, put the ball in Palmar's court to find out why exactly it was he proposed and endorsed a random lynch.
I never did get a satisfactory response from Palmar about this. Palmar, would you be so kind as to share why you have once again pushed for a random lynch?

On August 23 2012 01:20 Kville wrote:

You are correct. There should be a solid case, which is where my mistake was given such little time given at this moment i cannot post one right now which is why I provided much little information about what i gathered about my suspects Which is the sole reason why I withdrew my vote. Does not mean he is off my radar,

On August 22 2012 21:42 Kville wrote:
Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front.

What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos.

If it makes you feel any better

#Vote marvellosity

On August 23 2012 01:32 Kville wrote:


No your still a scum and i plan to prove it.

On August 23 2012 01:32 Kville wrote:


No your still a scum and i plan to prove it.

On August 23 2012 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting. However, that aside, his actions since joining the game are damning. He stated upon returning that he wants to lynch lurkers because "they're bad for town later". However, as his recent play shows, lurkers was never really an issue for him...because there are still people who qualify as lurkers in the game (damaging, even) yet he's contented to ride this Kville wagon. Why? Doesn't he care about town? Didn't he want to remedy the lurker situation?

I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence.

I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far.

On August 23 2012 03:23 talismania wrote:
upcaught!

VE I was with you on shady until he started going after kville. I thought the reasoning behind going for lurkers smelled like bs but the way he went after kville was genuine. like picking up on the fact that marv was out of kville's list is a townie trait and it all fits with what people say about him being a tunneler.

On August 23 2012 02:05 Obvious.660 wrote:
Alllllrightythen.

I'll take a look at Kville, who apparently came into the thread to push some suspicion away from himself and cast wild accusations at others. Then to disappear. So that's cool I guess.

So his preliminary, opening "case" that is his list of people have "sketchy posts":
Followed up by adding Marv who has has already cast suspicion on AND voted for, after being called out for forgetting to add him to the list.
So there's no evidence exactly what those sketchy posts were, outside of the train of votes for Kville and somehow the interactions between those players being evidence of a scum team?This post above is making mountains from molehills. Implying connections this early in a mini game, where people working together (scums, masons) are likely to be far more careful of being linked by meta-factors such as post timing, is rather silly. It's a good bit of evidence to bring up when looking at other such coincidences and making further reads, but until those situations present themselves I just don't see any justification for making the call that it's linking them as scum partners.

---

I think I like this one the most, though:Marv has earned his FOS and Vote for what I see as OMGUS reasons, and Kville is now certain that he has found a second scum in Shady Sands. Oooookay. Next we're going to hear how if X flips Red then Y must be Red? Kville's entire train of though needs to be explained.

On August 23 2012 04:55 marvellosity wrote:
don't we have forever until deadline? game started early so i think it's tomorrow evening/night, no?

On August 23 2012 05:13 Kville wrote:
Ok sorry,

Reason im not scum in order by my filter
-I was thrown under bus becuase i was supposed lurker
-Tried to counter the vote and suspected marv based on his recent one liners and random lynch on me
-All i tired to do was end the accusations on me
-Turned heads towards shady based on filters between VE and shady even more so since the recent ones came out.
-obvious filters seem out of ordinary as well same as marvs

Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school).

If anything im liking VEs choice and the way he is basing his decisions.

On August 23 2012 05:26 VisceraEyes wrote:


Did you not just whine at me about this? JUST NOW SHADY?

On August 23 2012 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote:


This is patently false. I had you as a scum-read before you even came back into the thread Shady.

This is Shady claiming scum everyone, please take note and vote accordingly.

On August 23 2012 05:23 talismania wrote:
dear lord what happened there.

I think I typed in the quote:


"continuing my trend of what? I never vote early D1. I'm not a fan of how my name keeps floating up for seemingly no reason."

On August 23 2012 05:58 Lvdr wrote:
@VE It is entirely possible Shady misunderstood your suspicions. In my last few games we have had to deal with a lot of suspicious Bad townies. This is what shady looks like me right now.



This statement is really over the top. You seem too experienced to push this as town; therefore I find your behavior scummy.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

On August 23 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:


Oh really?





This was before you entered the thread. So you're either not reading the thread (my guess) or you're blatantly and maliciously misrepresenting the facts. Which is it Shady?

On August 23 2012 06:00 Lvdr wrote:
Also in a show of great irony I second VE's analysis of chez's post.

Scum hate making their own cases. It is much easier to get on board someone else's. Chez seems to be explicitly asking to do just this.

On August 23 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
It is important, as it displays a complete lack of any kind of concern about helping the thread find scum. The section of the day you're dismissing as "not indicative of alignment" is, in my opinion, one of the BEST points in the game to find skating by, aloof scum such as yourself. I'm sorry if you don't think it is, but I'm afraid you're mistaken.

On August 23 2012 06:16 Chezinu wrote:

I'm not trolling. You have to get reactions before you can accuse people.

On August 23 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote:


Regardless of what I think about you, I can get behind this...although I thought your read had already switched to a scumread.

On August 23 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote:


AH, the CRUX.

In asking if I have a history of "successfully reading scum D1", ven if I have 100% accuracy in the past, this is completely meaningless unless you are operating under the premise that I'm town and am READING Shady. It shows his true thoughts on me (that I'm town) hiding beneath his actions (his vote, the questions, the ruse) and betrays preexisting knowledge of my alignment.

Chez, you truly are inspirational.

##Unvote
##Vote Lvdr

On August 23 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's wondering if I'm "reading you accurately" while voting me. He's SAYING he thinks I'm scum, but he slips my alignment in asking if I'm "reading you accurately"...which is something only town can do (scum don't read anyone, they know everyone's alignment).

On August 23 2012 07:06 talismania wrote:


reposting this:

I have read this like ten times now and it seems pretty clear that he is claiming mafia. Is this... I mean, what? Is this really a troll? I can't understand it from either alignment unless it's just a straight-up slip.

On August 23 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that he completely disappears while apparently "awaiting responses to his question" in light of all this is pretty damning too, tbh.

On August 23 2012 06:30 talismania wrote:


kville for reasons stated. djasldkfhlskad because his first post didn't sit well with me. too overcomposed, nothiung like the kind of posts he made pre-game. he was also more engaged pre-game than in the game. but he's strange to read because his top suspect changes every few posts and I don't know why. for some reason I was his top suspect, but it was never explained why that was the case, even though he at least posted some about obvious when he FoS'd him.

On August 23 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:


You seem pretty certain of it to be checking the thread for all that - yet your vote remains on KVille. How ODD. And why haven't you been doing that with regard to KVille?

On August 23 2012 18:46 Bluelightz wrote:


I Can \o/

On August 23 2012 14:23 Bluelightz wrote:
For now,

##Vote:marvellosity

---

Some reasons
1.


Takes the easy lynch target, and only because of him lurking, and doesn't provide additional reasons.

2.
His post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional suspicion

---

More reasons later as I read more :/

On August 23 2012 12:08 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, I'm here.

On August 23 2012 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
Why are you only FoSing him when you were quite happy to follow my vote on kville, backed up with even less reasoning?

On August 23 2012 21:55 Kville wrote:
I will cast it before i attend work, most likely it will remain to be shady.

But lets look at the case:

Obviously i'm just a bad townie.

Who more to target than someone who blantantly messed upon entering. Scums only seek easy targets, which is why he never attacks VE becuase he is strong and will be almost impossible to attack during the day. I already made my name and he will use it until he completely seals the deal.

On August 23 2012 22:07 Kville wrote:

1. I never argured about being a bad townie until now?


2. I'm not trying to persuade you that i'm not a scum so it's irrevelant to provide any information to what you say. Why would I tell anything to a scum to further, inorder plant onto someone else? That is just helping you target someone.

Your falling apart now Bro.

##Vote Shady Sands

There should be a solid case, which is where my mistake was given such little time given at this moment i cannot post one right now which is why I provided much little information about what i gathered about my suspects Which is the sole reason why I withdrew my vote.

Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school).

He now knows that since i am at a corner he can keep piling the bandwagon and keep attacking until the lynch comes and he will find others to attack and go back to strike again.

Obviously i'm just a bad townie.

Who more to target than someone who blantantly messed upon entering.

I'm not trying to persuade you that i'm not a scum so it's irrevelant to provide any information to what you say. Why would I tell anything to a scum to further, inorder plant onto someone else? That is just helping you target someone.

On August 24 2012 02:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gah there's not is there. JESUS WHY?

All right...

##Unvote
##Vote: Obvious

I thought there were WAY more votes on Lvdr.

On August 24 2012 01:19 Bluelightz wrote:


Don't have much time, have to sleep but i'll defend:

1.Is it not bad that people are just flinging around reasonless accusations? (or stuff)

2.Are the people I am accusing of not participating participating?

3.I said I am here, but I got too focused on games

4.Last promise, I'll deliver tommorow on my summary on marv (depending if my read changes or not, if it does change im going to do an analysis on the person its changed to)

---

I'm still suspicious of marv though, so my vote is still on him, there's a small chance I'm going to be there for the lynch as well.

On August 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
He comes across as townie. He was attacked, I feel he adequately defended...and your case on him reads as diversionary to the Obgious wagon Palmar is pushing.

Because I am leaning town on Palmar and null on Obvious, the math is pretty easy.w

On August 24 2012 04:14 Shady Sands wrote:


Hang on, why do you feel BL is townie?

Also if town Palmar is pushing a null Obvious, then how is a case that looks diversionary to that case a scumtell?

On August 24 2012 06:10 marvellosity wrote:
Shady, I think VE is quite unlikely to be scum. Please vote for a candidate that might actually get lynched.

On August 24 2012 06:29 iamperfection wrote:
stop wasting your vote shady get back in here.

On August 24 2012 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm trying to get ONE OF my scumreads lynched and not a townie.

On August 24 2012 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


Because he hasn't been proven guilty to me Shady now shut the hell up. I'm not going over it again. He reads as town to me.

On August 24 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah. Silly is how I'd describe this situation too.

Except I actually think you are scum fpr more reasons than that and you are oversimplifying the situation in an attempt to make me seem...what bad? Scummy? I can't imagine what town motivation there is fpr such actions.

every townie is precious

On August 24 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
He can't be bothered to defend himself, I'm not going to do it for him. I don't understand why you think this is some big thing. It's really not. You haven't offered any explanation as to why Obvious is town, yet you accuse me of not trying to defend MY townread? Get outta here sir.

On August 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Bluelightz

I still think Blue is town. But yeah, this town needs something. Flip information. Something to base cases on. After a day like today, I don't think a no-lynch is going to benefit town more than losing a townie in this situation. We NEED information to get active again.

On August 24 2012 08:58 Palmar wrote:
obvious that doesn't make sense, seeing as I will indeed kill BL because he's useless even when he's town.

That doesn't make this lynch terrible, and marv is probably scum.

On August 24 2012 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:


Don't be naive. I'll kill any of you to win.

On August 24 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Weird like scummy?

Weird like...a duck with a backward bill? For someone who's being a stickler about word choice, yours is pretty interesting as well.

On August 24 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
What's your theory?

On August 24 2012 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
So why aren't you voting for me?

From your perspective I just claimed scum right? And we can only vote for who we think has the highest probability of flipping scum, so surely your vote should be on me right?

On August 24 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote:
screw it, I'd rather no-lynch than lynch someone I think is town.

Good night.

On August 24 2012 10:04 Bluelightz wrote:


yeah I'm probably gonna help kill a townie?

On August 24 2012 10:04 marvellosity wrote:
It looks like the only way we're going to get a majority is to consolidate on Obvious.

What do the people on the BL wagon think of him?

On August 24 2012 10:06 Lvdr wrote:
I'm willing to consolodate on obvious, but i dont like tht so many people are afk so close to the deadline. This is pathetic.

##obvious.660

On August 24 2012 10:08 Bluelightz wrote:


He didn't in unvote it's fine I'm gonna die.

On August 24 2012 10:12 Chezinu wrote:
Is it plurality insta lynch or something?

On August 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
oh shit. Bluelightz is probably town. Unless this is an insane stunt (which I don't think BL is capable of), my own personal metaread on him (quite proud of its accuracy) is that as townie he's obsessed with other townies, and as scum with scum. His spreadsheet, while ridiculous, absolutely shows his mindset this game. His response also feels townie since he got back.

I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option.

##Unvote
##Vote: Obvious.660

On August 24 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:


A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads.

On August 24 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
it's not been wrong yet, and yes i do feel very strongly about it. A decent part of my case was that he didn't care about the lynch and he's here caring about the lynch (even if it does involve himself). He said there was a small chance he'd be here for deadline but he is.

On August 24 2012 10:51 Palmar wrote:
rofl this is excellent!

I don't even care if obvious is scum or not now, this is hilarious enough on it's own.

I love how that 2 minute conjured up spreadsheet made you all give up on bluelightz. lol

On August 24 2012 10:54 Palmar wrote:


I was playing dota, what are you talking about? I just came back to the thread.

On August 24 2012 11:07 marvellosity wrote:
After all that he could at least have had the decency to be scum :/

On August 24 2012 11:03 Palmar wrote:
meh fuck this shit.

On August 24 2012 12:26 Palmar wrote:
I'll rethink tomorrow.

If you have roles use them wisely.

if we have a jailer I don't mind being locked up. If we have a vigilante shoot into the lurkers please. Talis is a good target, maybe shady. marv is a decent target too and perfection. Just pick one.

cops go for higher profiles.

whatever, just don't be an idiot with your roles.

On August 24 2012 12:31 iamperfection wrote:

marvelosity explained it.............

On August 25 2012 03:00 marvellosity wrote:


I can't remember the games, but WoF was the genesis for these thoughts. See posts like these

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 25 2012 03:02 marvellosity wrote:
Are you completely unable to read?

On August 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
oh shit. Bluelightz is probably town. Unless this is an insane stunt (which I don't think BL is capable of), my own personal metaread on him (quite proud of its accuracy) is that as townie he's obsessed with other townies, and as scum with scum. His spreadsheet, while ridiculous, absolutely shows his mindset this game. His response also feels townie since he got back.

I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option.

##Unvote
##Vote: Obvious.660

On August 24 2012 10:26 marvellosity wrote:


I find it far more plausible that that was his actual spreadsheet than one invented. Calling everyone town is a ludicrous idea. He also came back for the lynch, and his posts on return seemed townie too.

On August 24 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:


A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads.

On August 24 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
it's not been wrong yet, and yes i do feel very strongly about it. A decent part of my case was that he didn't care about the lynch and he's here caring about the lynch (even if it does involve himself). He said there was a small chance he'd be here for deadline but he is.

On August 23 2012 05:58 Lvdr wrote:
@VE It is entirely possible Shady misunderstood your suspicions. In my last few games we have had to deal with a lot of suspicious Bad townies. This is what shady looks like me right now.



This statement is really over the top. You seem too experienced to push this as town; therefore I find your behavior scummy.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

On August 24 2012 07:42 Lvdr wrote:
Ok I'm back, and I still think ve smells funny. Total gut feel so I'm not going to vote it today.

Of the lynch candidates I think bl or chez would be the best. Given that chez is not on the block...

##vote bluelightz

Got some reading to do.

[B]On August 24 2012 10:57 Lvdr wrote:
I feel good about the obvious lynch now.

3. Straight up I am suspicious of VE, I have made numerous posts about it.

6. Obvious was #3 on my lynch list behind BL and Chez.

On August 25 2012 05:37 Kville wrote:
Best bedtime story ever! is all I gotta say. This became interesting.

On August 25 2012 04:49 iamperfection wrote:

Why would you not share your theories?

On August 25 2012 04:49 Lvdr wrote:
VE was #4.

He is an active and productive poster, and killing him as town would be a blow to the town. However as I have stated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=23#454
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=24#463
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=24#469
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=26#514
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=27#524
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=27#529
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#770
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#773
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=39#774

Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but for what its worth here are my suspicions of VE.

On August 25 2012 07:20 Djagulingu wrote:

3 hours and 40 minutes I guess.

On August 25 2012 11:10 Bluelightz wrote:
Noooooo

On August 25 2012 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:


Explain.

On August 25 2012 11:24 VisceraEyes wrote:


I was using your words - you said you're gonna get mislynched, so I said mislynched...it was meant to tell you that if you get lynched it's of your own doing just as much as it would be Shady for posting like that.

And besides, that wouldn't be "something [you] don't"...in theory you should know your own alignment.

On August 25 2012 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who had you down as confirmed townie? And what does the fact that you didn't jump on a mislynch have to do with anything?

On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote:
=/ so it turns out I have to do a lot of work today too. brief thoguhts:

1) iamperfection possible scum. active lurked the entire lynch and near lynch time did nothing to push his strongest scum read BL. let others do it. then hopped off bl with little comment.
2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol.
3) kville might just be a young kid and not scum. his delurk timing was pretty awesome just now thoguh.
4) lvdr I completely read that wrong. null.
5) shady is town. he cares and maintains his pressure.
6) VE is still probably town.

On August 25 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, scum WANT everyone pointing fingers at everyone. It's what they fucking THRIVE on. But yeah, whatever. Continue being a horrible horrible player.

On August 25 2012 12:55 iamperfection wrote:
We finish what we should have done yesterday.

## Vote Bluelightz

He hasent changed anything and then attempts to make a case on the god damn troll? Screw that the chezinu case seems to be just a hollow attempt to feign scum hunting. It reads as simply going the safe avenue to me. BLuelightz will spill red blood. Vote for this guy.

On August 25 2012 13:13 iamperfection wrote:

What is your PoV on lynching bluelightz?

BlueLightz and Marv -- Either they're both scum or they're both not. Basically I don't buy Marv's reasoning. Given that, he pulled a high risk maneuver for one reason: to save a scum BL. If Lvdr doesn't flip scum I recommend going after Marv and BL.

On August 25 2012 13:37 iamperfection wrote:
it takes all my will power to not respond to your "impolite" remark.

I will keep it simple Lvdr went after VE for a good majority of the day. VE from early on was showing he was going to be active this game. I dont see scum going after ve it would be very hard to lynch him in my view. Therfore i read lvdr as town.

On August 25 2012 13:49 Kville wrote:

Hi^.^

On August 25 2012 18:47 marvellosity wrote:


Tell us now, are you going to actually do anything this game, or sit around making comments like a useless douchebag? I just need to know what to expect.

My activity level is going to drop for the next couple of days. Bank holiday weekend in the UK. I'll be phone-checking/posting at regular intervals, so hopefully it'll be fine.

VE and Shady are just as bad as each other for making connection theories pre-flip with me and Lvdr or Bluelightz, take your pick. Noob mistakes. Shady showing he's absolutely delusional by expecting to be hit last night as well.

I'm going to have to take a closer look at Lvdr to see if I'm missing something. And we should still lynch the piss out of talis. Good lord has he done nothing and that's not his town meta. VE, you saw him play in Mad Men dude. This is not it.

On August 25 2012 13:01 Bluelightz wrote:


Out of the activity since D1 I think this stuck out to me the most. WIFOM I know, but this feels to me like a mafia trying to ride the pressure from yesterday into another mislynch.

Chez has been worthless, I don't think he is a bad lynch. Therefore this reads to me to be a mafia trying to redirect scumhunting energies from a partner without committing so much he cant end up voting for chez later. More a gut read than anything else.

In a weird way though it seems I might be a good lynch target because it might actually give the town some leads when I flip green. Still don't want to die, but if i'm so untrustworthy -- anything for the town

On August 26 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
Lvdr, what's this Shady thing about??

On August 26 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can kill Chezinu too. For funsies.

On August 26 2012 08:38 marvellosity wrote:


Except this isn't that game. Make your f
eelings clear this game please. Read talis and let me know what you think.

On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote:
Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning)

Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town.

Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow.

That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point.

Does the town know who made the shot

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.

On August 26 2012 23:00 Kville wrote:
EWOP:

code messed up first sentence of my post. All those quotes are refering to what VE said during the last hours of the lynch.

On August 27 2012 01:29 Lvdr wrote:
Shady try being smarter.

On August 27 2012 01:28 Kville wrote:
That is what I'm trying to figure out as well. Are we sure BL is town at all? Maybe this is a slip by VE. Who knows. I have work and I will return on my break around 4 or 6 EDT US.

On August 27 2012 05:35 Kville wrote:
Well based on my post earlier ima start this
Can't bold because on phone. may changed given proper information on another suspect.

##Vote VE

On August 27 2012 05:25 Lvdr wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=52#1035

Also, noone is here so the point is moot lol.

On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.

On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.

On August 24 2012 03:10 Djagulingu wrote:

Well, at least I was right about what Palmar was trying to achieve with random-lynch bullshit. He's picking off the guys who got overly obsessed with it.

While liking his read on Obvious, I'm also reading something stupid from Lvdr. He basically defended Shady for the whole day, doing his job for him, which brought 3 options in my mind:

1- Lvdr is a scumbag defending his fellow scumbag
2- Lvdr is a scumbag defending Shady to make him look like a scumbag, after seeing people thinking that Shady is a scumbag.
3- Lvdr is a townie and trying to defend someone who he sees as a townie.

Then I see this:


and think. Think about the reason why would one of the 2 scumbags defend the other while getting bussed by the scumbag he's defending.

This kicks the option 1 out of the window and brings another option in its place:

4- Shady is a scumbag trying to pick on controversial townies one by one, trying to create wagons for them.

This eliminates option 3 in my mind. Right now, all I know is they both can't be townies. Checking both filters, I see that Shady is reading the thread, producing cases, participating the scumhunt, trying to be helpful at the very least. His attention is pretty scattered though. On the other hand, I look at Lovedoc and see that all he ever posts is some fluff showing no intention to participate in scumhunting, microscopic to no attempt on reading players and sharing his leads, almost like he doesn't even need to read other guys in the thread. All I know is; scum does not have to read people because they know everything, town on the other hand has to.

##Unvote
##Vote: Lvdr

On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:

Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play.

Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in.
Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon.

He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu.

Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him.

On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:


Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it.

My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not.

On August 27 2012 15:20 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: I knew that Chezinu would bandwagon me if there was one, but I don't know why there was a bandwagon for me in the first place. I called him out and BAM 5 votes on me.


Do you mind if I ask you the definition of "contribution" around this place sir? And for some reason I'm the first bandwagon you have pushed this hard in your mafia career I guess? You must be reading something good on me. Mind if you share them with the rest of the townfolks so that they can know why they are voting for me? Because your post seemed like a poor reasoning to me, I wouldn't vote for someone with that amount of info.

On August 28 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
what gets me with VE is this: what's the scum motivation for being really active and then stopping playing at all?

On August 28 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote:
my memory is that he was somewhat neutral on Obvious and voted him to secure the lynch (his main read was Lvdr). shall check now

On August 28 2012 02:03 marvellosity wrote:
I sheeped you for BL? what?

On August 28 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
That's not sheeping you, dearest.

On August 28 2012 02:14 Djagulingu wrote:

What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate.


It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag.

The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania.

All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me.

Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious.

On August 28 2012 03:08 marvellosity wrote:


You're not this dumb, dear. Come on. Sheeping = following someone mindlessly.

I made my own case on Bluelightz and I voted for him, something you hadn't done. My case was based on BL's total apathy to the lynch. The fact that the post that most of the read came from was in response to you is quite inconsequential (hence my massive confusion about you saying I sheeped you on BL).

On August 28 2012 04:14 Djagulingu wrote:
Also:


Checking if the guys are defending each other or not is another one of them scumtells me thinks.


Despite claiming that Chezinu is a scumbag, this was somewhere in my mind. After calling Chezinu out, I got asked for explanations, I got bandwagoned, almost got lynched, but nobody tried to refute my case. Especially this poorly.

The last of my hesitations on Chezinu and iamperfection are gone. I now think that they are scumbags. For good.

On August 28 2012 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
I think talis and Kville feel totally left out right now, Shady :<

On August 28 2012 08:41 marvellosity wrote:
Does the fact that no-one is defending them make it more or less likely that they're scum?

On August 28 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
no, no VE.

On August 28 2012 12:19 Bluelightz wrote:
I got... RBed!

On August 28 2012 12:18 iamperfection wrote:
well might as well get this started

## Vote Djagulingu

Nothing he says make sense to me.

His arguments all rest on the idea that voting patterns is the be all end all of discussion. I find this to be unture and he is simply try to link players in order to get more mis lynches. The scum have perfect information when they make votes they can influence where they position themselves in regards to other players. Djagulingu arguments make no sense therfore i read this

as a scum slip.

On August 28 2012 11:02 Kville wrote:
Is it safe to accuse VE or his replacement becuase of this 'no kill'? or is scum just not paying attention?

On August 29 2012 00:40 iamperfection wrote:

He is a troll so I dont know.

On August 29 2012 02:48 talismania wrote:
No response?

I don't think I'm reading this wrong. dj claimed after being asked to explain the post that apparently got him in trouble that he partly intended for it to be part of a trap (hence, "bait"). But I don't know what the actual intended trap was, except that he claims later that the same post accidentally allowed him to detect bandwagonners since it created a bandwagon on him. None of it makes sense. I understand looking at people who bandwagon. But I don't understand how that post is possibly "baiting" a bandwagon if the person he was interested in (Chez) was already on that wagon.