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On August 29 2012 12:13 Kville wrote: Just for the sake of having some progress this day period I'll go for ldvr but if this kidflips town dj is done day 4.
##Vote ldvr
KVille what are your other reads? Could you elaborate on why DJ needs to be gone D4?
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So again we have IamP and Lvdr sheeping Marv. This is really strange, especially Lvdr's vote where he drops hints of FoSing me, but ends up voting Talis anyhow with no explanation.
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Note that the above is a null tell for Marv, since there is no way for a townie to prevent himself from getting sheeped.
Note also that this time the sheeping on Marv happened with a different candidate as well. First it was Obvious, now it's Talis--why?
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DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez.
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On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote: /in
don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards. Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote: sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(
off to bed, I'll read through in the am. So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote: ##vote: dj
Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit ## Vote talismania
Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better.
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More points on Lvdr:
On August 29 2012 08:18 Lvdr wrote: I'm back. I was focusing on my other game. Still read along here, but didn't have much jump out at me. Going to do a close reading.
He says he'll do a close reading, then comes back with this:
On August 29 2012 14:08 Lvdr wrote: I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops).
The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games.
I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play.
Hence, ##vote:Talismania
As noted above, he's sheeping Marv and IamP here when he's already done that with the Obvious lynch. Moreover, the results of his reading simply state that
I like my previous read on talis being scum. And
Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum).
Other than me and Talis, he has no results. At all. No comment on the whole IamP/Chez/DJ discussion which has occupied most of the last three pages, no mention of his thoughts on the D2 no-lynch at all. No analysis of voting patterns or anything specific which leads to his scumreads on me or Talis; instead, we just get a general meta read and reiteration of prior points on Talis.
Except: this is his prior read on Talis:
Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me. 1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though. 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=25#497This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment. Which he has never elaborated upon. Indeed, his vote on Talis D2 said this:
##Vote: Talismania
Let's see what happens. So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.
Basically, at this point, he has a giant scum sign hanging above his head. This, on top of the fact that lynching him will provide town with a plethora of information about other players as well.
In case you guys haven't done it yet,
Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.
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On August 29 2012 16:08 Djagulingu wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote: /in
don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards. Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote: sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(
off to bed, I'll read through in the am. So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote: ##vote: dj
Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit ## Vote talismania Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better. He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me. Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another. And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest. And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?
Why completely ignore Lvdr then? Both Talis and Chez have made a bunch more content over the past 48 hours than Lvdr has, yet you completely ignore him in your post.
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On August 29 2012 16:01 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 15:51 Shady Sands wrote: DJ, I'm curious to hear in more detail why you want to vote Talis over Lvdr or Chez. Because my vote itself doesn't commence a majority lynch. Like I said before, Chezinu is my primary target because he's a) Scumbag (minimum of 95%) b) A townie that even scumbags will grief over his death. (5% tops) But people for some reason aren't voting for him and it's more probable that Lvdr can result in a mislynch than talismania.
How do you know that Talis is more of a scumbag than Lvdr?
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On August 29 2012 16:08 Djagulingu wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 15:57 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 13:25 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2012 12:27 talismania wrote: /in
don't think I'll be as superactive as I was in mad men but I should meet my normal standards. Tails said he wouldnt be as active this is a completetly diffrent then his actvity levels in the mad men game. I dont understand On August 24 2012 15:31 talismania wrote: sorry to everyone and the hosts for being completely absent today. I'm basically only able to post at work (I prefer spending time with gf when at home - she was out of town for most of mad men) and today ended up being kind of crazy in lab. I knew these past two weeks would be a little rough hence my pregame post but that's no excuse for entirely missing the last day of the cycle :-(
off to bed, I'll read through in the am. So he apologizes for being afk so much but then does this On August 27 2012 10:50 talismania wrote: ##vote: dj
Sorry went camping no clue whats going on but just saw the vote total hope this helps Why not warn us that he is going camping? I think its because he full of shit ## Vote talismania Players go AFK etc. for a myriad of reasons. Making a vote against them on that sole basis is usually sub-optimal. You're already on multiple FoS lists and here, again, you sheep Marv with poor reasoning. This is a warning to post better. He's providing no content, voting uselessly on day 1 and sheeping on me on day 2, not providing reasons why he voted for these people either. His only serious attempts over starting a discussion is after I called him out along with Chezinu and iamperfection, against me. Now consider you and me, trying to generate discussion here, trying to find scumbags and shit, trying to see reasons why people are doing some stuff or why are people avoiding to do some stuff, why we suspect the people we're voting, interrogating each other from time to time too, just to be sure about one another. And now, consider talismania and chezinu. The people who never generate discussion, provide either no reasons or poor reasons over what they do, latch onto lynch candidates or voting uselessly, stay afk most of the time, troll for the rest. And you say that I'm sheeping Marv with poor reasoning?
I quoted IamP. Not sure why you think that post is directed at you.
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On August 29 2012 16:02 Miltonkram wrote: Finally got home from work. Sorry I haven't been active for much of the day. I'm going to avoid going to sleep tonight until I feel I have a decent handle on the game. I'm still catching up on everything, but it shouldn't be too much longer until I'm up to speed.
Check out the Lvdr case. Also check out Talis/Chez/IamP filter for their mutual discussion.
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ebwop: should be talis/chez/iamp/dj for their mutual discussion.
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On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit?
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On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick?
So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.
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On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick? So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town. I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what. So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy.
Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while.
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On August 29 2012 16:55 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 16:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:28 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:25 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:20 Shady Sands wrote:On August 29 2012 16:17 Djagulingu wrote:On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote: Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age. Try your best son. On Lvdr though, he's my suspect #4. Being #4 on my list, he still has 70-30 odds of being a scumbag. My reasons are slightly different though, he's taking advantage from my case over Chezinu/talis/iamp trio that I used him for and using this advantage into laying low for a bit. I don't like that. Except he's laid low ever since the D1 mislynch. And how is him using your case on Chez/talis/IamP turn into an advantage that lets him lay low for a bit? He sees that he's currently out of the spotlight and thinks that we now see him as a townie (at least me) but still afraid to come into the discussion because he doesn't want back in. I don't like that. Why would a townie be afraid of the spotlight in the first place? Got it. And none of my other tells on him stick? So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town. I don't know which one is worse. The way he's playing on day 3 or this being actually a progress. He provided zero reads (except for talismania, if you call that a read that is) until the end of day 2, now comes up with the read on talismania. There is something wrong with him but I don't know what. So even with all that you're still reading him as less scummy than Talis, who has actually stepped up tremendously in posting? I mean, Talis even somehow got Chez to stop trolling all of us. That's crazy. Also, I find it odd how you could call for a Talis/Chez/IamP scumteam when the three were basically on the verge of FoSing each other earlier today. It reminded me of the ending scene from the Good the Bad and the Ugly in there for a while. It was at least 70% my effort that helped Chez to stop with the trolling bullshit of him (that is if he actually stopped). And this shit reminds me of the Reservoir Dogs more than the Good the Bad and the Ugly. Up until I called them out, nobody was doing nothing, now they felt their asses are on fire and they are all trying to find who was the leak. Fair enough. But is that behavior worth a vote? I mean, generally scum don't alter their behavior in response to a townread, only to votes, yet they all changed their behavior before you even voted them.
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On August 29 2012 17:10 Djagulingu wrote: EBWOP: At least that's what I'm thinking now.ç Here's the problem with your reasoning though: I don't see the links between them that you do. If one of them flips scum or flips town, we may end up ascribing them all false innocence or false guilt. I want to consider them all on a one-by-one basis.
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ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
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On August 29 2012 19:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 17:15 Shady Sands wrote: ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment.
Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well. This is meaningless twaddle. Who gives a flying shit about the credibility of a bunch of players? The only thing that matters is who is likeliest to flip scum. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise is horrible. Wrong word choice there. Should read:
We can gain a lot of insight into VE/Milton AND IamP as well.
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On August 29 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know, talis's post's seem's townie compared to his scum game in Pick Your Poison, granted in PYP he was active, but I dunno, I'll vote talis before I sleep though to consolidate (as I won't be there for the deadline, school started). Bluelightz this is WIFOMy and weak, and a complete sheeping justification for a vote on Talis.
FoS Bluelightz
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On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote: Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me.
Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave.
It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch.
I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody.
How can you ignore Lvdr's scummy play thus far? Read the case on him, and then read his filter.
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