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Yeah, I'm not overly worried about being vanillafied.
I'm Dratini/Dragonair. I'm a hider. On N1 I don't think Zelblade was around to hide. On N2 I hid behind HiroPro. Since evolving, I can no longer hide every night. At the moment, I don't think I want to reveal the restriction(s) on when I can and can't?
That's why I don't think I'd have a shield if BioSC protected me, because any action taken on me should have failed. I don't know if the person taking the action gets notified of this or not, however. If BioSC did get a notification, then the fact that he didn't reveal that I was untargettable that night is one reason I'm leaning town on him.
Was unable to hide last night. Took .25 kp damage. Depending on how hard Zelblade protects, that could indicate that I was double stacked, or it could mean I just took one big shot from someone, perhaps wheover is ivysaur or had the "electrocuted" kill flavor.
I wanted to see what night Wiggles received a check on me. I still think he's scum. But I don't know that he's lying about his ability, as if he just receives a random check then perhaps it wouldn't have failed N2 because it wasn't targeted at me.
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EBWOP: That last Zelblade should read Zephirdd.
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I still prefer a Wiggles lynch to a Grush lynch.
Drazerk, there's nothing that says flavor has to match. Growlith had cutepuppysniff. Matching some types to some roles gave a bonus, which indicates that you can match roles to types that they don't fit with no bonus.
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Further updated stuff
Kill flavors - + Show Spoiler +Meowth used payday on VisceraEyes! Bumatlarge, the Voltorb and Chezinu, the Gastly fainted due to psychic damage!
StrongandBig, The Charmander became confused! He Fried himself in his confusion! StrongandBig fainted!
Kitaman27, The Clefairywas captured by Team Rocket!
Toadestern, as Giovanni with a Meowth met a shocking end BloodyC0bbler has been incinerated.
Heist, the Koffing, has been electrocuted.
Wherebugsgo, the MewTwo/Mr. Mime, got too much sun. Misder the Ditto Felt the Rage of Dragons!
Mementoss the Gyrados Also felt the Rage of Dragons!
Dirkzor the Squirtle met a shocking end Based on what we know: - "shocking end" = Mattchew
- "Incinerated" = VE
- "Rage of Dragons" = Mementoss
We can be nearly certain that WBG used his SK KP N1, and that his SK kill flavor is "fainted due to psychic damage." His metronome could explain the other psychic KP or the confusion KP, or those could both be non-WBG shots. Total unknown KP flavors: - eletrocuted
- got too much sun
- became confused
- psychic damage
Claims - + Show Spoiler +Zephirdd (Chansey --- Medic + unknown)
Kurumi (Caterpie/Metapod --- String shot(actions on Kurumi delayed), VT laser)
Drazerk (? --- Sunny Day (Increase fire kp, decrease water kp))
Grush (? --- Vengeful of some sort)
BioSC (Psyduck --- Medic + persistent shield)
HiroPro (Slopoke --- ?)
Mattchew (Pikachu --- Vig)
JingleHell (Magnemite --- target's actions are randomly retargeted)
Wiggles (? --- invincible DT)
Kenpachi (Snorlax --- ?)
austinmcc (Dratini/Dragonair --- Hider)
We also know we have an Ivysaur from the evolution announcements.
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Leaving work, probably not back before deadline.
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gg wiggles.
Should probably get the last of the claims over with? Or at least if you created a role that hasn't been claimed, you should let us know what pokemon it is?
Otherwise, gonna look over votes and the reads that our flipped scum gave out, see if anything can be turned over.
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Also that's kind of almost everyone in the game.
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I think I'm going to trust his checks for now. Hmmmmm.
We've got that electrocuted death not connected to Matt's normal KP. Either an unclaimed pokemon, magnemite(i think had thunder/electric stuff?), or the seemingly very unlikely option that Matt is a GF pikachu with 2 different kill flavors (or maybe a pokemon kill and factional kill?)
We've got Dirk not dying N2. Would that be Kenpachi's doing? If not, we still don't know what's up there.
I'll try and swap back over to non-setup stuff, just kind of stuck trying to fill in the gaps.
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On August 31 2012 09:53 JingleHell wrote:
My entire role has been claimed, and confirmed by the creator, at some point in the thread. You really need to start making some sort of effort before throwing random ass wild accusations around.
On August 24 2012 11:03 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:02 JingleHell wrote:On August 24 2012 09:49 Drazerk wrote:
I still think scum would of shot VE for flip insurance but so far his play is coming of as town to me
I dislike Wiggles because of the timing on the shooting and the majority of his play only happening when he was under scrutiny.
Mattchew is giving me bad vibes but the bandwagon is ALSO giving me bad vibes so I'm not sure what to do about that but given the choice of Mattcher / Dirk ill probably vote mattchew
I want to see more of the following - Jinglehell, Heist and Misder or for someone to shoot all three
I also want Kurumi to tell us what he knows about Zel because something is clearly up with that.
What do you want me to do more of? I've contributed on Mattchew, and I haven't really got any other clear reads right now. So if I see someone say something that sounds scummy, I chip in, but I'm trying not to clutter the thread. By the way, if Mattchew used his KP, it didn't land on target, since he was confused, courtesy of yours truly, Magnemite. In fact, reading the flavor text, it may have inadvertently been the cause of death of Toad, going by the "shocking end" bit. I cause an ability to hit a random target. I'm not entirely sure why the flavor is different than that of a confused Pokemon hitting themselves, though. Due to the fact that this may sound slightly off, if you feel the need to flip me and make sure I'm telling the truth, just remember me when I'm gone and blue. I made this role and can confirm it makes the intended action hit a target at random Mementoss said he made your role. Mementoss said that supersonic works like you said it works.
- Mementoss never said that was your full role. He confirmed that your description of supersonic was correct
- Magnemite is electric-type. Pikachu is electric type. So far we have 0 other electric pokemon. Unless you find another electric-type, SOMEONE electrocuted Heist, whether factional KP or an electric attack. Right now, that's you and Mattchew, and he's got a green check. Not ironclad, but something.
I've put in quite a bit of effort this cycle, and a decent amount last cycle. Going to continue doing so.
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EBWOP: There's a second post where mementoss confirms a single ability.
The first bullet point is out. The second bullet point is still in play. If we've got factional KP assigned by shooter, which I still don't like as an option but could be true, then you're a potential shooter.
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Yes. I'm tunneling you so hard. It's not that we have an electric-flavor kill unaccounted for and you're one of what could be multiple electric types. I've never thrown that out as a single option in many. I've always just said JingleHell is scum.
Knock it off. You're a possible shooter on that kill. As are our unclaimed players. As it Mattchew, although less so. As is any non-electric pokemon that was given an electric ability, which is why I re-asked Drazerk's question to grey about whether a pokemon could get an attack of a type that it was not. Quit getting so worked up that you get mentioned as a possibility.
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Busy day today, sorry.
Jumbled thoughts -
- Still going to look at votes if I don't die. Especially the misder/VE/wiggles lynch from 2 cycles ago. We know that scum almost got lynched there.
- Planning on looking at who was actively pushing wiggles early, then backed off. Early meaning real early, not this last day. Thought there is that mafia tends to want vets out of the way early. May have looked at wiggles as an option for a mislynch, then backed off once he seemed like he wasn't too invested and therefore not a big threat.
- Jingle's being so bristly feels odd, but not necessarily scummy. Would like to give him another read-through, although I don't have him at the top of my list right now. But purely going, "JH backed up Mattchew's claim at a time where scum wouldn't back up Mattchew's claim, therefore he's town" doesn't sit perfectly with me. If there's anyone that wants to take an action that scum wouldn't take, it's scum, because then they're automatically viewed as town now. Probably just me being paranoid, though.
- Anyone who created a role that hasn't been claimed yet ought to say so, barring some massive downside.
- Still a few unaccounted for actions - Dirk not dying N2, electrocuted kill, etc.
- Still don't like grush for scum
In what order are damage, protection, and effectiveness calculated? Ex: player is attacked for 1 kp from a super effective source, protected for 1 kp from a normally effective source. Are the protection and damage calculated first, leaving 0 damage to get an effectiveness multiplier? Or is the effectiveness first, meaning 2 kp of damage and 1 kp of protection for a single kp of damage actually going through?
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At this point I think it's fine to hold off on claiming role if you've got a reason. We just still have those couple unclaimed pokemon, which is starting to stand out.
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Another captured...almost confirms that we protected/hid from factional kills N2 and N3, yes? Seems quite lucky, perhaps N2 scum factional KPed mewtwo for the extra night life, and then someone's "too much sun" finished the job with another KP?
With my evolution I picked up dragon-type KP, but using it removes my vote the next day. Also, while I was Dragonair, whoever NKed me, or a random person voting for my lynch, got an item they could sell "for a power of their choice." I did not reveal that. As Dragonite it's no longer the case, sorry, no free powers.
Gonna look back over what's happened. We've got a LOT of useful information on these last couple pages. That's another mattchew shot that's off, another claim by hiro (dmg last night, rb tonight).
Kurumi and Draz feel like letting the class know what Butterfree's got? Can hide anything that REALLY needs hiding, but we've got a lot of powers to coordinate and might be good to know what's left.
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I know that Zelblade picked a role for Ghastly, but not for any evolutions. So not all pokemon that can evolve may.
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Draz, I'll have better answers later today. For now,
I'm pretty sure I still think Hiro is a good target. Less sure on Kenpachi, but...
Mixed on Grush. I think we've hit a point where basically everyone should be claiming everything. Name, powers, what role they created. The sooner we get ALL that on the table, the sooner we see what's been going wrong, and the sooner I can stop focusing on the setup and focus more on regular mafia play.
Would really like to have that effectiveness question answered, about how damage and effectiveness are calculated. That ... I think 100% determines how I feel about zeph?
Before Kurumi does anything to JH, I'd rather know who JH has targeted each and every night. Unless of course, I've missed that too.
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I know you claimed N1. Didn't think you had N2 or N3.
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It should have done 2 KP. But the N2 shot on Dirkzor (Squirtle) should have done 2 KP as well.
Either someone is dicking with Mattchew's shots, Mattchew isn't shooting, or ... there's some kind of weird protection out there?
However, given that Dirkzor was town, scum shouldn't have been protecting him and none of our medics have claimed to do so.
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Lot of possibilities for someone messing with the shot. Hiro fake claim with some kind of RB or delay power, anyone else that's claimed but their claim hasn't been confirmed by creator, etc.
JH/Supersonic is unlikely because SOMEONE would have been getting hit. I don't remember any N2 claims of people taking damage off the top of my head.
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We can speculate all over this but can't get too close. If I were picking for Slowpoke, I'd pick some sort of delaying action. The delayed DT is nice, fits, so could be true.
A passive that delays actions taken on you could come to mind. Mattchew shoots last night, doesn't connect til next night. Or an ability to delay someone's action a night. A power that causes delay could explain our Mattchew shots almost entirely. Mattchew shoots Dirk N2, shot is delayed until N3. Mattchew shoots Dirk N3, doesn't connect until N4 when Dirk is already dead. Mattchew shoots Hiro N4, doesn't connect until N5.
But that's just saying "maybe bio gave him x." Also, it seems that pokemon that are going to evolve do so when they use their abilities. A slowpoke that hasn't evolved might mean there's no evolution in this game, or it might mean he's got a power but hasn't used it.
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