Newbie Mini Mafia XXII - Page 9

On August 08 2012 03:30 Shady Sands wrote:


Scum having an RB and using it on JingleHell makes zero sense either. He's not playing like a medic at all.

On August 08 2012 03:30 Shady Sands wrote:


Scum having an RB and using it on JingleHell makes zero sense either. He's not playing like a medic at all.

On August 05 2012 18:26 alan133 wrote:
@Ange
Yes, I am leaning towards a scum Jingle for the same reasons. His shift his FOS towards me seems like a desperation move to shift the focus away from himself. I think even a townie Jingle would be more careful when he suggest a new lynch, as the town's goal is to lynch scum, not just to survive.
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@DarthPunk
The conclusion I made above convinced me DarthPunk is the potential last scum, given that no bussing occurred. I went through his huge filter and was hoping to find one slip that can nail him, and have yet to find anything substantial. His blatant defences on Zorkmid is definitely scum motivated, and I know I also "defended" zorkmid, I hope you all see that I have been consistent with defending people who I thought was being called out for the wrong reasons.

I would like to put my vote on VOTE## JingleHell, and FOS## DarthPunk. I believe we got this in the bag

On August 07 2012 00:10 alan133 wrote:
@Shady
I started writing my case not long ago. But if you want to make the final decision, I will keep my vote on JH, but is fine with changing it to DP. Both are the scums in my eyes and it does not matter who gets lynched first.

On August 07 2012 00:27 alan133 wrote:
I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping.
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@Jingle
His recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. [spoiler]WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible.[/spoiler]Also, he refused to defend attacks, and disregard all of them as WIFOM and since then only passively comment on cases, after the DP vote.

@DarthPunk
I said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself.(Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No?
Also, this:

If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc

Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town.

I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.

On August 08 2012 10:36 alan133 wrote:
Hey there, looks like I am going to post some defences.

@Ange

1. Pushing for a mislynch while soft-defending the lynch candidate.
There is no defences for this, I indeed pushed for a mislynch on Promethelax and Mordanis, and that's it. My soft-defending "lynch candidates" were those in my eyes were bad case, or cases that I do not agree with. For instances, Mordanis' early cases for voting Kei, Jingle's tunneling on you and so on/fourth.

2. Subtly implying that his scum buddy is not as scummy as the other lynch candidate and therefore should not be voted first.
And many others when there is a list of lynch candidates. I have explained this before.

3. Bussing his scum buddy when all hopes are lost to survive the next lynch himself.
If you think my stance on DarthPunk was wish-washy, I do hope you actually followed my case against him WAY before the one that I said I will keep my vote on Jingle. I logically deduced DarthPunk must be scum, based on one single post on aRyujin's filter: he was kicking MrMedic out way early in the cycle, and the other Mordanis vote was either me or DarthPunk. I don't know saying: "Jingle and DarthPunk are the two scum. Lynch either of them is fine by me."
@Shady
I don't know what is with the claim medic thing or die, because I am not. If you want to waste a lynch on me, it is fine, but the game does not end there.

I will be busy for the day, will be replying to any more cases against me much later, and add my own. I am not, but if you all are set to lynch me, please look at the other scenarios where I am not the scum. The game will go on after I flip.

On July 30 2012 05:41 Ange777 wrote:
So I only got back now and read through the thread. Apparently people still don't see the need to be more active in this game. Voting your strongest scum read and then abstain from further discussion is not exactly pro town behaviour. Especially if there was so much worth of discussion and several people just did not care to comment on other scum candidates expect for Golbat.

Keep in mind please that I am not satisfied with goodkarma's (non-existent) response to my accusation. Entering the thread and shifting the discussion from scum hunting to policy lynches ... this is not town play! I still have goodkarma marked as my strongest scum read.

On August 02 2012 05:49 Ange777 wrote:
Seeing as night is ending and no one else wants to join this discussion is so frustrating. As townie you should really be playing with your win-con in mind. Valid RL excuses are kind of acceptable but you should have known what you signed up for. Even if you just subbed in there has been plenty of time to form an opinion on everybody by now, not stating your reads is anti town play.

Going to bed in a couple of minutes (Have to see the doc tomorrow). Keep posting guys.

On August 05 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote:
So I guess there is a pretty decent chance that I might be shot tonight. As I already stated I am convinced that we have nailed the second scum in Jingle. Veto the case as much as you want Jingle, there is no way you can wriggle yourself out of this. Extremely obvious scum play like this can't be ignored.

On to the third scum. Bsed on the theory Shady already mentioned with scum actively trying to counter bandwagon the Zork case there is one more player I think we need to analyze closely. Very much unsuspected by most of the players ... DarthPunk. I believe only goodkarma called him out. Originally I had a town read on him, he came across as a thoughtful poster who analyzed the play of others first before jumping on any kind of bandwagon. Under normal circumstances I probably still wouldn't have noticed him but the recent situation with Zork made me reconsider. See for yourselves:

On August 08 2012 05:59 Ange777 wrote:
Another night in which I am not sure whether I'll survive or not. Now here is my candidate for the day 4 lynch. You might have guessed, it's Alan. Originally flying very very low under the radar, I was not really paying attention to him. Naive me! Eventually with all my other scum reads flipping scum or getting town cred he is the only one left from my original list.

Read through his filter please. Even compared with aRyuujin's filter it is rather sparse, especially when you look for any kind of clear stances and opinions. Alan has been sheeping town and only giving us few content posts. DarthPunk is not even once mentioned by Alan until late day 3. I don't know why he would not address DarthPunk in his posts except for being scum. Not to mention that he also didn't talk to/about Zork (besides replying to a "Why haven't you answered yet post") before the case against Zork gained momentum. Go and look at Jingle's case on Alan which points to a few of those suspicious posts from Alan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=353315&currentpage=46#908

This alone would not be damning enough in my eyes if it wasn't for his wishy-washy stance regarding the DarthPunk lynch. He claimed that he is 100% convinced that Jingle is scum but still would be lynching his only second best scum read DarthPunk. I don't know how he went from not mentioning DarthPunk even once to him being his second best scum read. Such a sad thing that scum has not learned how to bus right?
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So I hope this can convince you of Alan's scum-alignment. How else would you explain the flip flop play in the last hours before a lynch of his scum buddy? Alan is scum! Don't get uncertain by his defense because if he had believed what he wrote, he would have actually voted DarthPunk as he claimed that in his eyes Jingle got a bit of town cred.
*Yes, this scenario is based on the town Jingle theory which I think should be the most probable right now.