Newbie Mini Mafia XXII - Page 7

On August 05 2012 06:13 JingleHell wrote:


Well, I guess newbie games are a great place to learn how not to make a case, glad to have helped you learn why WIFOM is a piss-poor alternative to actual scum-hunting.

On August 05 2012 06:16 JingleHell wrote:


No, but childish responses instead of introspection really just help cement in my mind that trying to convince you I'm town is a waste of my precious time. I'll just watch the thread, and laugh hysterically. Sound good?

On August 05 2012 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:
When I originally thought about zork. I questioned how scum could make such silly mistakes and be so blatantly bad. This is the reason I thought he may be town. Scum have the ability to communicate, they can aid each other in their posting etc. and are therefore less likely to make the flagrant errors zorkmid did. But now that I know zork was scum my perspective on certain things has been altered. It is very possible zork was a bus because scum were so far ahead at that point in the game. If he was a bus? with the cases people are making right now? we are screwed.

On August 05 2012 19:21 DarthPunk wrote:
You specifically asked me to state the reasons I thought the case on zork was weaker than the case on mordanis.
You are now calling my reasoning behind why the case on zork was weaker that you asked for as a huge soft defense on zork WTF? I answered a question you asked as transparently as possible and you are now delivering that answer without context as me defending a scum. and therefore I should be lynched.
I admitted there was a case on zork/zork was suspicious. I thought it was weaker than my case on mord because I believed he was just as likely to be a bad townie as a bad scum. And I was 100% certain that mord was scum. You are now presenting my answers on why I thought Zork was a weaker case, as me defending scum zork. Right.

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Jingle started making a case on you hours before your case on zork. Your main argument against Jingle was that he was chainsaw defending zork. The reason I found this scummy? you seemed to be DESPERATE to try and establish a link between zork and Jingle that wasn't there and quite obviously wasn't there.

I have already posted on the motivation isssue. I would say check my filter, but it is obvious no one is doing that. So here it is:


read that.


Posted on this also:



Honestly I don't see what else there is to say. There is a fundamental lack of a case present in your case.
What I will say is this. I am very fucking suspicious of you right now.

You seem to have been desperate to link jingle hell to your zorkmid case even though his case on you began hours earlier. You asked me several times to state why I felt the Zork case was weaker, and are now using all those answers you dug for yesterday in order to build a case that isn't there. It seems as if you 100% KNEW that zork would flip red. And then desperately tried to manufacture connections to him wherever you could. I can 100% see a scum motivation for this you bussed zork and not only gained 'confirmed town' status but have also set up 2 mislynches.

On August 05 2012 20:15 Ange777 wrote:
EBWODP:

Of course I was desperate.

1. I was trying to get you to see the obvious scumslip but nobody seemed to understand.
2. Jingle was claiming that I didn't defend myself and accused my based on nothing while I had explained my behaviour more than once to him.

And while he was needlessly tunneling me, he completely ignored the case on Zork (and the one on Mordanis btw). This is no pro town play therefore my frustration.

On August 05 2012 20:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Yes I believed he may just be a bad town. I also believed he could be a bad scum. However I was 100% convinced that mord was scum. So I followed my own case I had made over several days and that I was 100% sure of. Rather than switch to a case I was 50/50 on until it was evident that there would be a no lynch if I did not switch. (which I had stated previously to you I would do, so why is it so surprising that I carried through on my word?)
Is that a problem?



Except the 'soft defense' you are speaking of is entirely of your own making through asking me for my thought processes behind not voting your way. You obviously were aware of how the questions you asked would cause me to look when zork flipped red and thus proceeded to lead me into a trap that I was blissfully unaware of until now.




He did not catch your eye because of zork. Why are you lying? the situation between yourself and jingle started BEFORE YOUR CASE ON ZORK
Originally I thought it was just an OMGUS against Jingle. I later found the case on jingle suspicious because you were trying to link someone who had cast suspicion on you BEFORE YOUR CASE ON ZORK to Zork when the link obviously wasn't there at that time.



You knew zork would flip red based on a scumslip you had ignored for an entire day and even quoted when unvoting him to join the prom bandwagon? A scum slip that still could have very easily come from a bad town?
If zork was a bus then scum are in a FAR better position now than if we had mislynched mordanis. They have set up consecutive lynches into the future. They have sewn this game up.

I see a scum motivation for you. I did not see any motivation for zorks blatantly bad play. Until now.

On August 05 2012 21:53 DarthPunk wrote:
One thing before I leave. You say you had no way of knowing how I would respond? you knew I thought the case was weaker so you knew I would respond with something other than zork is 100% scum. Either way you were baiting out ammunition to mislynch me with. If I had stated zork is 100% town would i have looked just as bad if not worse?

Why are you saying that you are sheeping mords case? are you trying to make it seem as if it was a confirmed towns error when you mislynch me? the whole reason there is a case is from what you baited from me. Why ask for my opinion if you were confirmed in your mind that zork was 100% town? I was obviously stupid enough to have an open and transparent discussion with you over my thoughts in good faith. And you are now using that to say I was defending him (you knew i wouldn't be screaming he was scum or I would have voted for him) and now you are distancing yourself from my mislynch by saying you are sheeping a dead town.

Your excuse on missing the slip the first time is the weakest excuse ever..You had a vote on zork but you were only analysing him as if he were town? wtf? do i seem stupid to you? OK going to bed. won;t be around for 12 hours.

On August 05 2012 22:11 Ange777 wrote:


If you had said you beleive Zork to be town 100% at least you would have taken a clear stance. And it is always more difficult for scum to take a clear stance instead of saying he could be a bad town player despite his scummy behaviour.

You misunderstood me. I am by no way saying that I am sheeping Mords case. I only wanted to make it clear that as it seems that you are dismissing my case against you as a scum player who is leading a mislynch on you that there has been another player who has made a case against you even before me. And that player is undisputably town.

Why I would ask for your opinion on Zork? Because I was certain of having caught a scum yet no one voted for him. Therefore I wanted to see what the reasons were for not voting him. Some reasons might be town motivation, some might be scum motivation but I need to see that clearly in order to know who to lynch next. Furthermore I need to know why in order to convince people of my case. If I don't know why they don't believe in my case, how am I supposed to change their mind?

My excuse on missing the slip might be weak but at least it is honest. I explained it earlier that I intended the vote as a pressure vote on the lurking Zork and had my mind on the Prom and Shady cases. If you can't see a town player being more preoccupied with lynching the ones he believes more scummy than the one he believes to be lurking I don't know what to say.