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On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote:Strongandbig:So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania:Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] +On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse?
(again)
also, what do you think of toad and VE? On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote:
yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote:
ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] +On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote:
zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote:
Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes?
Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote:
strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote:
uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Ok so
1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better.
Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that".
It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible.
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On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, everyone STOP.
This lynch on WBG is not happening.
Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.
I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.
##Vote: talismania
I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?
I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo.
So I read the pm logs.
(Two small corrections for wbg - 1. I claimed vanilla with trudy campbell, not talismania. 2. If you really can't see why I find your play scummy up to the point where you and erandorr started pissing on each other, and if you still think it has anything at all to do with whether or not outing the masons was a good idea, then you must have even bigger irl problems than I thought because I know you're not that stupid.)
Anyway, I read the pm logs, and I can't figure out what in there made you think wbg is town. Care to enlighten me?
@Talismania, yeahhh... I think there are good reasons to be suspicious of you but I don't think VE picked them. I might be willing to lynch him today.
Talismania why didn't you post your terrible plan this game?
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On August 06 2012 15:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
I forgot to mention that the most suspicious part is that he indicated a willingness to push suspicion onto Toad in the case that the guy he himself was voting(prplhz) flipped town. That's essentially skirting responsibility for the lynch in the case it goes bad
bugs what about when toad says if prplh flipped town we should be killing you or talismania because of it? How is that different?
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Cases that consist entirely of "that person's reasons for thinking I'm scummy are terrible, therefore he must be scum!" will receive only 36% consideration from me.
Please evaluate other aspects of his play than just his attacks on you. Self-centeredness is sometimes a scum trait and sometimes a trait of shitty play (I know, I've done it myself) but it's never a sign of a good town player.
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Oh nm I just read his filter and there isn't anything else there. My apologies, zeph.
He gets added to the scummy noob/lurker list with BioSC, BroodKing, and Glasse.
The thing is, they're probably not all going to flip scum, and I don't know which one to kill 
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how could we make cases against you
you have posted once lol
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Uuuuugh don't make connection theories before you actually know people's alignments.
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On August 07 2012 00:37 MrZentor wrote:
Apparently that's suspicious.
who do you think is scum
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On August 07 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
the way he was playing and posting felt kinda blue to me
what
movin' on up the scum list ladder train
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Hey so what do people think about the idea of killing into the masons?
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I can get down with voting for VE. I think out of the masons he and Hassy are the scummiest.
I think that VE's townread on WBG coming from those PMs doesn't ring true to me, and his deflecting of the lynch off of wbg came at a pretty important point in the thread.
He's posting much less of substance than I would have expected. He used mason-ing as an excuse for that, but he made all of like five pm's with wbg.
Also talismania was right about how ve's case on him was kinda weird and cherry-picked.
##vote: VE
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I could get down with a Hassy lynch, he's played enough games that he should be more confident posting especially if he was around to read the thread and skype with toad. Like, he clearly belongs in a different category than most of the lurkers in this game who are relatively newer players.
That said, I also think a VE lynch would be good today.
Given the cases so far, I don't find myself persuaded that we should be lynching anyone but those two today.
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On August 08 2012 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Get ur votes off me and onto Erand. Failure to do so I will treat as a scumclaim.
lolololol what a great defence bro
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We've had no confirmation from BC afaik as to whether this is extended majority or plurality, but given the tie breaker clause I think it's plurality
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I'll lynch hassy if we can get people for it
Other than that I'm voting VE today
we can't just lynch into a group of six people. my worry is that having such a big group of lynch targets makes it too easy for scum to get the lynch off of the real scum and onto the shitty townies.
i will change my mind if someone can give me a case on why one of them is different from the others but tbh the only real way these games can not be lost by town inactivity is if there's a bigger post requirement that's enforced with modkills or if town has vigis.
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MrZentor is like grush, but only barely less so.
He is no help to any town of which he is part and it's inexplicable why he continues to play the way he does, but at least he occasionally tries a little bit which grush doesn't seem to
anyway guys i'm so tired and this deadline is bullshit. We should be killing VE today. He's barely even putting in the effort to defend himself, just the minimum to maybe shift the lynch onto someone else.
I still hold to the reasons I posted earlier why I think he's scum.
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ugh whatever going to bed
this game is frustrating no one posts and everything is stupid.
idk but if erandorr was scum why wouldn't he have moved his vote onto ve it was totally justifiable but its on wbg which doesn't make sense as any alignment but maybe as town he ragequit whereas if he was scum he would have been pretending i think
idk fuck it im going to bed
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btw just to clarify it doesnt make sense because today no one was pushing for a wbg lynch in the thread not because wbg is town lol
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christ how did that happen
this deadline is bullshit
also town you guys are morons
we need to be killing VE or wbg tomorrow
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So in case it isn't clear, Erandorr masoned me yesterday.
There are two reasons I didn't mention this before his lynch. (well okay three actually)
1: he stopped responding to my pm's around the time of his vote for wbg in the thread. I think he ragequit but I'm not sure what made him do so at that specific point in time. I wanted him to okay it before I told the thread.
2: When I went to bed it looked like VE would be the lynch, I didn't think that it would move so much
3: his masoning me was actually a null tell to me, since I was the main person agreeing with him on WBG being scum; if he was town it made sense to mason me in order to figure out why people wouldn't lynch wbg / if we were missing something.
I can post PM logs now or I can post them during the next day. I can't post them just before the deadline because I will be asleep.
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