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On July 19 2012 12:12 sciberbia wrote: @gonzaw How likely do you think s0Lstice is to be scum? I'm getting more and more suspicious of him. Look at all the interactions between s0Lstice and talis in their respective filters. Yes, but now he made that case on Mattchew (just read the headline, not it's content yet), and if he's scum Risen HAS to be scum....I don't know why Risen would make a scum play that outed his scum team in such a way. I'll say one thing though, I don't think Keirathi is scum at all (at least one thing I'm kind of sure today). He's interacting too much with people this day and the way he posts his reasoning seems townie. Plus he seems genuinely frustrated at Risen going against him. I actually kind of thought Keirathi's plan was good when he posted it, since I'm paranoid of Risen doing this as scum so we could be safe of that scenario. I can't say much without reading filters again, but right now I'm kind of leaning towards a Matt+Milton scum team It seems to me Milton is trying to blend in this day. I have only seen him post some questions, and some irrelevant stuff but he doesn't participate in any discussion or anything, and apparently he wants to lynch me now as well. Also this post raised a red flag to me, specially with him opposing the talis lynch, and posting some stuff that didn't really matter and that he never came back to about Vivax and sciberbia/solstice: On July 17 2012 03:27 Miltonkram wrote: Regarding the case on talismania, I'm really uncomfortable about it. There's a lot in his filter that I find strange such as his obsession with his D1 plan and his subpar case-making. The thing that gives me pause is the fact that he continued commenting on his plan despite getting a ton of shit for it. I realize this is completely different from what I was saying earlier, but the fact that he followed his plan through to completion, whether or not it was a good plan in other people's eyes, gives me the impression that he thought it was a good plan. His D1 plan counts as a townie point in my book. Talismania's case-making against DropBear and in general has been subpar. I find that the scummiest point against him. Sciberbia, s0Lstice and I all played in Newbie Mini XV with Vivax. He's been a scummy-as-fuck town player for quite a while. I meant to point this out before the D1 lynch, but I was in a rush and it slipped my mind. The fact that none of us pointed this out should count as an extremely scummy point against all three of us. I have to run, I'm visiting family. I should be back in the thread in a while. In the meantime I would appreciate it if people would read through each of our filters extremely thoroughly. I know I'm town, but I include my name in this to be fair to both sciberbia and s0Lstice. ...then again he made this post in D1: On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote: I think I've bumped into a pretty decent scumtell while catching up on the thread. Talismania has spent quite a few posts explaining his proposal and why we all should be forward with our impressions of players. With that in mind, don't you think he would start posting something that amounts to pressure? He really hasn't besides his most recent post against dropbear and even that is pretty weak. Looking through his filter he seems awfully defensive about the plan he came up with. Let me state this so as not to cause confusion, I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself. I'm looking at his "Reactions to talismania's Shitty Plan" post. It seems like a forced way of making some sort of analysis come from his proposal. He seems to think that so many people agreeing that it's a bad plan is bandwagoning of opinion, and thus scummy. I disagree, I think anyone can see that it's a bad plan and it would be a bad idea to agree with it, scum or town. He's shat up a bunch of the thread talking about his proposal or trying to derail the discussion towards it. I'll post more reads on players as they come to me. He's casting doubt on his GF too early, and I don't know if he'd bus him like that early. *sigh* I fucking hate this, I don't have time to play any game properly :/ | ||
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Milton claimed RBed....I doubt scum have 1 Godfather, 1 RBer and 1 Framer (or replace Framer with another Godfather). It's likely scum have at least 1 Goon, not just because of the C9++ setup this one is based on but because like every single normal mafia game in mafia history has at least 1 Goon in it. Also I want to hear more from Dropbear, does he have any scum read at all? I saw he wanted to lynch Risen following Keirathi's plan........so? Why won't he want to lynch scum? Does he think someone is scum? | ||
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Milton claimed RBed after Risen claimed cop, am I right? If scum don't have a RBer, then both Milton and Risen have to be scum, since there's no way scum Milton would fake-claim RBer when there's a cop with a "suspicious" claim they would need to RB later. I.e scum killing Risen instead of RBing him would indicate they don't have a RBer in the first place, outing Milton. If scum do have an RBer, then why didn't they RB on N1? Meh there are so many possibilities in this game. Also sciberbia where you RBed or not? I think not since nobody claimed RBed on N1 (i.e there's no JK). I appreciate trying to confuse scum about it, but you are confusing town even more since we can't make sense of Milton's RB claim either (since maybe a JK jailed Milton if you claim RB as well). sciberbia, Keirathi, what do you think of Milton? | ||
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If Risen and Milton are scum, then there would only be 1/2 Masons (really, if no mason claims soon I'll assume there was only 1 mason and austin lied for some reason when he died), meaning scum would need to have 2 Goons (since town have little blues) based on the "similar" C9+ setup (even if it's not exactly like C9+, it's similar, if town has more blues scum have more powers, if town has less blues scum have less power), meaning they don't have a RBer. We have 3 lynches to catch 1 scum right? Mattchew->Milton->Risen (if Milton flips scum) would be a good "lynch sequence" I think. Oh forgot about Dropbear. Aw damn now I need to reread his filter  | ||
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On July 19 2012 12:49 Risen wrote: Lol did anyone bother reading the OP? First, gonzaw plays dumb with my cop reveal, now he's playing dumb with the miller thing. So scummy wtf... ...wut Are you fucking kidding me? The OP says there are 2 masons, only 1 mason flipped. Both masons are confirmed town to each other, I want to have a confirmed town here to make better sense of the situation. What the fuck are you accusing me of? On July 19 2012 12:57 Risen wrote: Gonzaws super soft defense of Keir with a far out case makes him a viable partner for Keir IMO. I still think drop is more likely than gonzaw but I'm convinced that two of Keir/drop/Gonzaw are scum now. It's not "soft" defense, it's a defense, period. I think he's town and is interacting with people like town. I could only see more experienced players (as scum) keep up with the level of activity and discussion Keirathi has kept up with. His vote on sciberbia on D2 was weird to me....but I thought that if he was actually scumbuddies with talis he would have bussed him at that point, not try to justify where to put his vote which would have still meant talis was lynched Like, if he had tried to convince me talis was town or he wanted to NL (like solstice did), then yes it could make sense, but he didn't, and I don't really see him voting sciberbia there as scum, and would have either tried to NL or just bus talis Also now that I read his filter he seems more townie. I dunno it's the tone of his posts and shit (I think I posted about this already) | ||
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I take it you think solstice+Risen are the scum team then? solstice can't be scum with Risen being town. The thing about Milton is that yes, he's too quiet. His filter is only 2 pages long for christs sake, plus: On July 19 2012 08:07 Miltonkram wrote: I need to backtrack a bit. I find Keirathi's "giving up" post extremely scummy. If he were town I think he would continue to try and push a Risen lynch for the reasons he has claimed, to either hit scum or get close-to-confirmed town players. Keirathi giving up does nothing to help town or help us figure out whether Risen is truly a cop or not. Because of this, the only motivation I can see for Keirathi "giving up" is as a gambit to get town players to view him as town. Furthermore the timing is off. Keirathi gives up when there is still plenty of time to pursue cases. I've seen plenty of town players give up close to the deadline, but never 24 hours before it. This makes me think Keirathi's frustration is a ploy. Where did his suspicion of Risen's cop claim go? He states "I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum." It seems like he's treating Risen as if he knows Risen is town. If Keirathi is town, he would pursue a case against Risen harder and search for reasons to distrust Risen's cop-claim. I don't think he's come up with any decent reasons not to trust the claim. I'm not done reading Keirathi's filter, but this screams scum to me. ##Vote: Keirathi He thinks Keiarathi is scum only because of his "gave up" post? What about his play before? That isn't Keirathi's 1st post at all. Not only that parts of this case seem kind of forced, like that "if Keirathi was town he'd search for more reasons to distrust Risen's claim" which I don't really get makes Keirathi scum. I dunno but this seemed like a shitty reason to justify his vote, specially with all the stuff about me, Mattchew, and hell even the stuff said about Keirathi on day 1. Hmm...I'm thinking about a Risen lynch more and more. I'm scared of him making a senseless play as scum that may actually work by fake-claiming cop like this (and doing the whole "gonzaw wagon" thing), specially with him wanting to lynch Keirathi for shitty reasons without even reading his filter or anything (like Milton up there). I'll reconsider and read his filter though. I still want to know wtf Dropbear plans to do this game | ||
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On July 19 2012 14:37 Miltonkram wrote: @ Risen I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD. @ Gonzaw I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through. Can you tell me why Keirathi is scum based on his whole play this game? You just voted him for that one post... why? | ||
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Here is his filters from LII (scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=62525 Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147&user=62525 One thing in LIII I saw was this: He was fluffy as hell and all his posts reeked scum at the beginning, but after I called him out he became super disruptive, aggressive, posting one-liners with a very aggressive tone in a chaotic-way. Here, you can see Risen being more "calm" at first and then getting more "aggressive" later (when he started pushing Vivax for instance). However his "calm" posts are still that, calm, I don't get the feeling he's trying to fake contributions there or anything. Plus his "change" into normal Risen seems more legit, since you can see him getting more aggressive and stuff like he usually plays as town as time goes by, which is understandable if he can't control his impulses >_> There are some weird stuff, like him getting too "emotional" that Vivax flipped town and him missing almost all D2, but there are some things in his favour: -That meta comparison I made earlier -He was the 7th vote on talis, meaning he basically prevented a NL to save talis (albeit he HAD to vote or be modkilled) -This cop claim doesn't make much sense if he's scum since it's not an "obvious" attempt to disrupt or confuse town, it actually gives us lots of info (about S&B and solstice for instance). His gambit of attacking me and then dropping it doesn't seem too suspicious I think. Basically because I don't think he'd do it as scum, he'd be VERY happy with me getting lynched, so I doubt he'd try a gambit that avoids that when other people were intent on lynching me. His attack on Keirathi isn't that good...but well his attack on Vivax wasn't either, and him not playing that great doesn't equal him being scum. So I don't really think Risen is scum so I wouldn't want him lynched today now that I think about it. Now let's analyse this logically: 1)Risen claimed cop with a green check on S&B and solstice 2)The Godfather is dead 3)There is only 1 Godfather at most 4)Because of (2) and (3), there is no GF alive this game 5)One can only distrust green checks when a GF is alive 6)Because of (4) and (5) one can trust any green check this game 7)Because of (1) and (6), if Risen is town, then we can trust his green check 8)Because of (7), if Risen is town, S&B and solstice are town. 8.a)If Risen is town, then S&B is town 8.b)If Risen is town, then sosltice is town I think Risen is town, therefore I think S&B is town and solstice is town. *pheww* thank god I don't have to read solstice filter now then >_> I've already posted some stuff about his responses this day and why it didn't make me think he was scum, but I guess this makes me more sure. Anyways, Mattchew+Milton/Dropbear for scum I think, so please people vote Mattchew. I'm torn on Dropbear/MIlton since I'm waiting their responses first. | ||
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On July 19 2012 15:29 Miltonkram wrote: @ gonzaw There's still the possibility of a framer. Doesn't matter, read point (5) There's still the possibility of there being two Godfathers. Your logic is flawed. I'd say that possibility is very low, read point (3). I haven't seen a "normal" mafia game with 2 Godfathers (SoaF had 2 Gfs, but it wasn't normal), and even in that case it's unlikely THIS game has 2 GFs. Even if that's the case, the only thing you can disprove is that one of solstice or S&B is town, nothing else. Can you tell me the relevance of this? Great, there's a small possibility of me being wrong, like 0.03% and that even if Risen is town, one of S&B or solstice are scum... ....are they? Do you think one of them are scum? If not, why did you make this comment at all? Are you just trying to cast doubt on them? Or do you just want to discredit me? Anyways I may be getting to confrontational right now, but you are not convincing me you are town at all with posts like these Milton. I don't see how DropBear is scummy. He and talismania went at each other D1. It's possible that they tried to bus each other D1, but it's extremely unlikely. You could very well reread his filter to figure it out, as I'm going to do. If not, then who's the other scum? Keirathi? Make that case then | ||
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On July 19 2012 15:05 Miltonkram wrote: @ gonzaw I didn't realize my vote was still on Keirathi. Thanks for clearing that up. ##UnVote: Keirathi ##Vote: gonzaw Regarding your question, in Keirathi and I's previous game together, Newbie Mini XIX, he put in a ton of effort. He had this "never-say-die" attitude that caused him to be incredibly active. Keirathi giving up doesn't fit in with the picture I have of him from that game. There are two reasons for a player to give up, they are frustrated or they're giving up as a scum ploy. I originally thought Keirathi giving up was extremely scummy, but thinking over the situation and rereading his responses gives me the impression that he's actually frustrated. I find Mattchew's case against you more convincing anyways. So you'll just sheep Mattchew's case? Even though I basically disproved it completely? Okay people, tell me this, who is my scumbuddy? I just basically proved to you guys that Keirathi, Risen, sosltice and S&B are town (well, proved seems like a strong word since I might be wrong, but I feel confident in my town reads on them at the moment, plus that logical stuff from above). Did I just back my own buddy into a corner? The case on me is basically based on me not "contributing" to the talis lynch, and "having wishy-washy" reads. Okay, I know I wasn't active in lynching talis on D2, but that doesn't make me scum. Do you think I was not active and putting effort in trying to figure out the alignments of other players? You don't think I was NOT malign about those intentions? Do you think I just started babbling and babbling about people just because I didn't want to talk about talis or something? Go read those posts I made on D2 and answer me (to everybody basically). I can't say anything about "having wishy-washy" reads because it's true. I don't 100% know who's scum and town in this game and every single time I reread the thread/filters or every time someone posts something it changes things and it may change my mind or make me unsure. Although I wasn't "wishy-washy" about everything and only about few people (like Risen and Mattchew on D2 and up until know for instance). Anyways, me defending myself more won't help anybody (I already did it and it didn't seem to matter) so I'll try and find the scum in Dropbear/Milton. About Mattchew: Because of what I said earlier, it would only leave Mattchew/Dropbear/Milton/Keirathi/sciberbia as candidates for the 2 remaining scum. sciberbia is very likely town and his mannerisms make 0 sense as scum and are townie as fuck (him thinking things twice, trying to get every opinion, changing his mind about things, not tunneling but having opinions and sharing them each moment, being interactive with everybody, etc). I think Keirathi is town for reasons stated before. That leaves Mattchew/Dropbear/MIlton......and just based on that I can easily say Mattchew is scum, even if I thought he was scum before. Another thing I'd say about Mattchew, is that he doesn't seem to care about this game, he just seems to care about FoSing someone and getting him lynched. He did that with talis (made one "case" against him, voted him, and just tried to get him lynched, did nothing else), and is doing the same with me (made one "case" against me, voted me, and just tries to get me lynched, does nothing else). The one is important because Mattchew thinks his "cases" are flawless or something and he fails to mention anything about those players at all costs. I haven't seen Mattchew mention ANYTHING about talis other than that post he made, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He never commented on the other cases or on anything else that could be said about talis. He's doing the same with me, he doesn't mention ANYTHING about me anymore. That's no town behaviour at all. No townie is just content in making 1 vote that justifies their actions and then skating by the whole game using that previous post as their excuse to do nothing at all. Specially if you are very sure someone is scum. Someone read Mattchew's filter and tell me this isn't true. When have you seen a SINGLE contribution from him ever since early D1 that weren't these 2 posts?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=49#973 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=38#753 I guess I should be fair and mention this other single contribution from him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=48#956 @Milton: I want a fully explanation about why I'm more likely scum than Mattchew. a FULL explanation, no "I'm sheeping Mattchew's case". Explain in your own words why I'm scum, and explain in your own words why Mattchew isn't scum. Go go go | ||
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Or you know, post anything at all that contributes to this game....anything really. | ||
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On July 19 2012 15:48 Keirathi wrote: That was my assumption coming into the game too, because thats how framers have worked in previous mafia games I have played. But some people seem to think differently, so mod confirmation would be great. It seems obvious that it works like Risen did it, but wbg confirming it won't kill anybody. | ||
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"like Risen said it did, but..." | ||
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As I instantly read his filter, I noticed his confidence and arrogance basically. For instance this: On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote: You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. I accuse him and he just shrugs it off. Unless he's like Ace or has a similar scum play like that I don't see him acting like this at all if he was scum. Talis does seem to go off against him pretty fast. Seems too early for a bus, specially if it's ALL talis does. I have to take advise from our friend Mattchew here: On July 14 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote: Scum don't usually defend people with good reasoning, like i think drop did. Also, he is aggressive and willing to take on the loudest person here (you) which means he's not afraid of the attention, another thing scum is unlikely to do I agree with this, scum rarely defend people. There's something I seem to agree with as well, which is from sciberbia: sciberbia: I feel like we were just lynching between a bunch of townies yesterday. If I had to guess, I'd say there is only 1 scum between our many lynch candidates: dropbear, vivax, miltonkram, s0Lstice, austinmcc, risen, and keirathi. talis didn't give a fuck yesterday. If Drop was scum I'd say he would give a fuck. If not him, then his other scumbuddy would give a fuck and try to stop the Dropbear lynch. Since I think that scumbuddy is Mattchew, with talis not giving a fuck and Mattchew not giving a fuck either, it does seem to me the lynch was between 2 townies, if not I'm sure something different would have happened, specially when Dropbear was starting to get votes on top of him. There are tiny bits that make me wary. For instance, he didn't actually contribute at all since N1 basically, and also these posts: On July 17 2012 02:22 DropBear wrote: Haven't been able to post today, been busy. General consensus is that talismania is dying. I agree that he is dodgy as fuck but I'm also wary about how little opposition his lynch is getting. On July 17 2012 02:38 DropBear wrote: Ok so re-reading day 2 there is noone defending talismania at all. Noone. solstice you have sheeped the tali lynch really hard and have offered no response to my questioning of your Risen case on day 1, which was highly questionable. You are either scum falling in line to bus your doomed buddy or scum jumping on the bandwagon to lynch a townie as far as I am concerned. My vote is staying where it is. The only alternative to a talis lynch was a lynch on him I think (S&B plus someone else had votes on Dropbear)...so apparently not wanting to lynch talis is very weird since it'd imply he'd want to be lynched himself or something. He basically wasted his vote on solstice. His later "plan" to lynch Risen is not scummy itself since Keirathi did it as well. But he didn't really contribute anything at all or who he thought was scum. Hmm....one thing I don't know would have happened if he was scum is Mattchew defending Dropbear so badly up there (in that quote I posted). tl;dr: Dropbear seemed very confident, talis accused him very early to be a bus, Mattchew defended him too much if he was scum, and the reaction from talis indicates he was a misslynch on D1 as well (specially if Dropbear himself didn't try to do anything to stop his lynch before, he would have seen it coming I think). On the other hand, ever since D1 he hasn't contributed at all, implied he didn't want talis lynched and wasted his vote on solstice, now wants to lynch Risen based on a plan he copied off Keirathi yet apparently has no scum reads at all. Well...I'm not sure to be honest :/ I could see him more likely town....but he could be scum specially because of his reaction to talis being lynched and his throwaway vote on solstice Hmm, I'll check Milton now, if you guys have any thoughts on Dropbear you are free to check | ||
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On July 19 2012 16:00 Risen wrote: You give me a defense and then give a semi "slip" there. Throw in my misuse of bus and wagon earlier? Shady looking cop claim. Risky, though, bc I have a chance to check your teammate tonight and you have to leave me alive for this to mean anything What slip? No sane townie would take that as a slip (of what, you being Framer?). The misuse of bus and wagon was your own fault entirely don't accuse me of trying to "make it appear you are bussing me" if you are the one committing mistakes that may give others that impression. Anyways Risen, could you give me your thoughts on any of that shit I wrote these past few pages? | ||
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On July 19 2012 16:05 Miltonkram wrote: My understanding is that framers can make scum players look innocent or town players look guilty. @ gonzaw My initial impression is that Mattchew is town and you are scum. I feel like the cases made against you are much more concrete than the cases made against him. I'm currently cross-checking filters chronologically with the thread. This takes a lot of time and effort, so I'm not spewing shit all over the thread and drowning it with all my half-baked opinions, unlike someone I can think of... Not good enough. If you are actually doing the "cross-checking filters", then you should always post your findings in the thread if not we can't know if you are actually doing it as town or not doing it/half-assing it as scum. This takes a lot of time and effort, so I'm not spewing shit all over the thread and drowning it with all my half-baked opinions, unlike someone I can think of... Is it really shit? Are you sure? Can someone tell me if everything I'm writing is shit? I may be trying to overpost right now but it's the only way to show I'm transparent with my thoughts. It's the only way to show I'm actually putting effort in this game and that when I say "I'm reading the thread/filters" I actually mean it It's the only way to contribute to the thread, be active, instantly react, not hesitate, etc to show people that I'm town. Apart from Bang Bang 2 I was never lynched, nor misslynched as town (I wouldn't really count that though >_> ), I don't plan on that happening today either, so I'm doing all I can to prove I'm town, specially now that Bureaucracy Mafia has slowed down a little bit giving me more time to put into this game. | ||
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I do start to get the feeling he's more likely scum than Dropbear, specially with his responses towards me and how easily he changed his vote to me without stating a SINGLE reason (other than "I'm sheeping Mattchew's case"). I already said his vote on Keirath seemed flimsy too....but hmm I'm trying to figure out if he could do that because he's "noob" and stuff or not. I'd bet on him being scum, but hey I can be wrong so maybe we should go one step at a time. Everybody please post your thoughts on these things I've posted. Risen+sciberbia please reconsider voting me today and vote Mattchew or even Milton if you want (or Dropbear if you can convince me he's scum). I don't know what else to do to prove I'm town, I don't think the accusations against me hold any water since you guys are just using confirmation bias by saying "oh, if gonzaw is scum...then he acted weird about his scumbuddy talismania...therefore he's scum". You guys never stopped to think why I could have acted like I did if I was town, or what actual motivation I would have to act like that as scum I already said a scum me would not just stand idle while talis is getting lynched and actually convince people to NOT vote for other people, like when I tried to convince solstice NOT to vote S&B, and when I tried to convince S&B NOT to vote Dropbear. If I was scum that would seem like a sure-way to get my scumbuddy talis lynched (I convince everybody to unvote anybody that isn't talis) while not reaping the benefits of a bus, meaning I'd get into a situation similar like this one, but being scum, when I could have either bussed talis and get here with "huge amounts of town cred bro!" or try and get a misslynch on D2 so I'd be 6v3 right now with high chances of winning. I'm busting my ass here posting reads, rereading filters, posting opinions, reconsidering all possibilities, actively responding to people that address me, and interacting with anybody I can without thinking twice. I seriously can't think of anything else to prove I'm town, I can't. Hopefully someone on Obs QT can sympathize with me, or someone in Post-Game, since I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Hell I'm posting less than in MTG mafia and ONLY have 8 pages of filter (not 17 >_> ) I even tried to cut back the posting a little bit. Anyways, that will be a discussion for Post-Game. I think I've said everything I needed to say, except I haven't read Milton's filter by now (and solstice....but thank god logic is there to save me from that chore >_> ) I'll do that tomorrow....and then do nothing I guess? :/ | ||
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Damn you setup!!! *clinches fist into air* I'll have nightmares about Masons and TTTs and CCs >_> | ||
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On July 19 2012 20:39 strongandbig wrote: This is egregious. Every time a framer has been mentioned in a thread since I've started playing TL mafia, someone has mentioned the possibility of framing their teammates; there's no reason to assume the opposite so blithely. It's just, like, enough is enough - at a certain point we have to assume that this is malicious. I just can't decide what the odds are that Gonzaw would actually do as much work as he is claiming and posting without even reading the OP. Yet has never happened right? If someone mentions in a thread "A Godfather may be able to vig shot a Goon to be bulletproof for 3 nights, right?" it doesn't mean it can happen if it never happened in any TL game at all. If this is malicious intent from me then I'm a pretty shitty scum since the only way I intend to be malicious of is trying to confuse you guys about the setup even when you guys seem to be omniscient about it every time I post. On July 20 2012 00:39 sciberbia wrote: @Miltonkram Yea I found that suspicious as well. Think about it from talis's point of view. If talis is scum and gonzaw is town, wouldn't talis love for us all to not trust gonzaw? Why would he go out of his way to make dumb reasons to bolster a town gonzaw's credibility? At the same time, this also makes me suspicious of s0Lstice who did some peculiar townhunting on gonzaw D1. Though, at least s0Lstice had some better reasons IMO. I have a couple quick points to make in Mattchew's defense. First of all, does this sound like scumbuddies talking? Not to me. talis never mentioned Mattchew again so it's very possible. I'm trying not to take those "interactions" into account too much (other than Mattchew heavily defending Dropbear, but like I said I'm still not sure, although I'm kind of leaning town on him). Okay...can someone at least read what I posted about Mattchew? solstice isn't the only one. *sig* why do I keep getting ignored in here. Thoughts on anything...anything else I posted are welcomed too. Also Mattchew, you don't need to post "what are your thoughts about my case?" 100 times, it only makes you seem like you are active when in fact you are just repeating the same thing over and over when people already fucking read your case since it was 1 post long and it's not that hard to find in your filter. On July 20 2012 02:14 sciberbia wrote: I don't think risen would be the worst lynch ever, but think about it. If he fips scum, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow. If he flips cop, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow. So why don't we just lynch gonzaw today, and give risen the chance to get another check if he really is cop? No, just no. READ what I posted for christ's sake This is futile god dammit, I can't believe it. On July 20 2012 02:44 Mattchew wrote: So as people start to wane and move away from Gonzaw where is he to help dictate and direct town? I'm fucking sleeping you jerk When I was up (up until like 4 am trying to post and shit mind you) I was making posts and posts with all my thoughts and shit to prove I'm town I already said I can't do anything else, I already did anything I could. About Keirathi I guess he could be scum and is tricking me with his "townie" posts. *sigh* I don't know right now, I already said I think he's town even when he derped with the talis lynch. If someone would care to read ANYTHING of what I posted about Mattchew (this is fucking pissing me off really) I'd be EXTREMELY happy. Here I'll even make it easier for you (I already linked my "thoughts" about Mattchew but they were completely ignored again, *sigh* ) FUCKING READ THIS, IF NOT I'LL HAUNT YOUR SOULS WHEN I'M GONE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=41#818 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=48#958 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=62#1228 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=64#1268 I'm not changing my vote. I'm trying to think if I'm "tunneling" a townie Mattchew somehow but I doubt it, and even in that case I don't know who to vote other than him, maybe Milton. Actually no, I'm keeping my vote on him, I'll only consolidate on Keirathi if there is a chance of NL. Disclaimer: NL today is just as bad as misslynch. We are at 7v2 right now, misslynch is 5v2 and NL is 6v2 next day. If we misslynch in both cases, it's 3v2 and 4v2, both MYLOs, which are basically the same (even then, MYLO is worse to us than LYLO, since scum have 1 more suspect in the table to accuse or 1 more person to trick). So a misslynch today is actually better than a NL. Hell if I'm the lynch candidate at the end of the day with 4 votes I'll hammer me myself. ..actually no I won't misslynch myself for principle (I don't want to ever be misslynch). Argh actually I don't know, either help town open their fucking mind and win the game, or avoid getting misslynched as town yet have it harder for town to win later since I'm sure it will be basically the same fucking thing over again I don't know, if the time comes I'll think about it a little bit more | ||
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