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@Miltonkram
Yea I found that suspicious as well. Think about it from talis's point of view. If talis is scum and gonzaw is town, wouldn't talis love for us all to not trust gonzaw? Why would he go out of his way to make dumb reasons to bolster a town gonzaw's credibility?
At the same time, this also makes me suspicious of s0Lstice who did some peculiar townhunting on gonzaw D1. Though, at least s0Lstice had some better reasons IMO.
I have a couple quick points to make in Mattchew's defense. First of all, does this sound like scumbuddies talking? Not to me.
On July 13 2012 07:54 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote:Lets kill talis, Keirathi or scib Talis cause he's proposing anti town plans and then backpeddling super fast Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced scib cause he seems hesitant to post, and he posts this (it was spoilered) Obviously, we should be lynching every day until we have good reason not to. I will push to get my scumreads lynched, but I will prefer any lynch to a No-Lynch.
I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. Obviously, lurking hurts town, but I don't think lurking is all that alignment-indicative. Seeing as our goal is to lynch scum, I will only give slight preference to lynching the lurker over the active player, everything else being even.
as he has not pushed a single read yet loooool I love how you shit on my plan and then literally followed it to the T in that post. Three reads, one sentence explanation, at 24 hours into the game. :-) In response to your blurb on me I think "backpeddling super fast" twists my words. I posted a half-assed plan expecting it to get shot down but knowing it would probably generate discussion. don't see how analyzing the reactions means I'm backpeddling. What's with your needling of me in general? I ignored the "are you just active lurker" post at first but maybe keirathi is onto something with you.
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Also, it is odd to me that gonzaw is so furiously after Mattchew, but at the end of gonzaw's own cases against Mattchew from D2/N2, he says he is 'torn' on Mattchew.
From D2:
On July 16 2012 11:45 gonzaw wrote:
However, I could see town Mattchew just not caring about his D1 fluke and thinking I'm shitting up the thread about it (thus making him a little bit more suspicious of me), but those reasons above don't make me confident in thinking he's town at all, specially since I know Mattchew is capable of doing that "fluke" as scum just to skate by D1, whether other people find it scummy or not (he wouldn't really care as scum).
This is why I'm torn on him, and why I wanted that explanation from him.
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He had a good start that made me think he was town but some of his actions and behaviour made me doubt that (since scum Matthew could have just tried to appear pro-town on early-D1 like that)
From N2:
On July 17 2012 11:59 gonzaw wrote:Pre-Edit: I'm still kind of torn since it's possible you just were content with how things were going on D2 and thus didn't see the need to do shit; but I still find it odd since that's not what you were doing in early D1 at all
On July 17 2012 12:00 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm that last post of yours changes some things, you sound less derpy there.
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Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious
Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram
point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim
point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch.
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On July 19 2012 15:02 sciberbia wrote:
relatively recent opinions
mattchew: scum
sciberbia: scummy
miltonkram: scummy
s0Lstice: scummy, just not as much as mattchew (or risen apparently)
risen: thinks he has a good chance at being scum
need updated opinions
strongandbig: could get behind a lynch on gonzaw
keirathi: likely he is scum
dropbear: gonzaw looks bad
I think consolidating on gonzaw makes a lot of sense. I also think he has a good chance of being scum.
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Literally everybody think gonzaw is scummy. I think we should start voting him now.
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@Risen
There is some logic to it. You have to consider the very strong possibility that you survive the night but say you were roleblocked. Then what do we do?
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@Risen
and why do you think we'd lynch you tomorrow if you had another check? We wouldn't..
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I don't think risen would be the worst lynch ever, but think about it.
If he fips scum, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow.
If he flips cop, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow.
So why don't we just lynch gonzaw today, and give risen the chance to get another check if he really is cop?
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I'm just saying that we don't have anything to lose by lynching gonzaw today and risen tomorrow.
And there's the possibility that risen is the real cop and manages to get a red check tomorrow(shouldn't be that hard if gonzaw flips green and risen actually is a real cop).
So we have something to gain and nothing to lose by waiting until tomorrow before deciding whether to lynch risen IMO.
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Risen can you please calm down and stop throwing shit at anyone and everyone who contradicts you? This is exactly what you did on D1 before vivax was lynched.
I still think gonzaw is our best lynch, and everybody else says they find him scummy as well. So why aren't we voting him? Seriously, why are you guys not voting gonzaw right now? Can we stop with all the distractions?
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Does anybody else feel like gonzaw is going to flip framer?
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@s&b, @s0Lstice
Are you down with lynching gonzaw today?
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@s0Lstice
Honestly right now I wish I found Mattchew scummy but I just don't buy that any of the evidence you listed is that scummy. I feel like parts of your case were quite a stretch, such as the fact that he didn't die last night implies him as mafia. And why doesn't the fact that he actually contributed significantly to the talis lynch count for anything? I just really don't see why we should lynch Mattchew.
I still think gonzaw has a good chance at flipping scum. Miltonkram has made me more suspicious of him today, but on the whole, his filter isn't all that suspicious. I'd hate to lynch Keirathi today. Really the only lynch I feel like I could really get behind is gonzaw.
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fuck idk if any hosts are here. I'll go get the votecount myself
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milton: mattchew
scib: gonzaw
s&b: gonzaw
mattchew: gonzaw
risen: gonzaw
s0Lstice: mattchew
dropbear: keirathi
keirathi: keirathi
gonzaw: mattchew
keirathi(2) including himself
mattchew(3)
gonzaw(4)
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@risen
wtf kind of reason is that? Do you think he is scum or not? Play to win please
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milton: mattchew
scib: gonzaw
s&b: gonzaw
mattchew: gonzaw
risen: mattchew
s0Lstice: mattchew
dropbear: keirathi
keirathi: keirathi
gonzaw: mattchew
keirathi(2) including himself
mattchew(4)
gonzaw(5)
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EBWOP wrong count
milton: mattchew
scib: gonzaw
s&b: gonzaw
mattchew: gonzaw
risen: mattchew
s0Lstice: mattchew
dropbear: keirathi
keirathi: keirathi
gonzaw: mattchew
keirathi(2) including himself
mattchew(4)
gonzaw(3)
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milton: mattchew
scib: gonzaw
s&b: gonzaw
mattchew: gonzaw
risen: mattchew
s0Lstice: mattchew
dropbear: keirathi
keirathi: mattchew
gonzaw: mattchew
keirathi(1)
mattchew(5)
gonzaw(3)
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Well it looks like we are lynching Mattchew?
I really hope you guys are right about him. My only solace here is that both s0Lstice and gonzaw seem really sure about mattchew and they can't both be scum.
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