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On July 14 2012 12:39 gonzaw wrote:Okay I've been rereading and I noticed something: WTFSo Mattchew was active when the whole lynch discussion was going on yet he didn't do shit and didn't even bother on unvoting sciberbia? Wtf? This is just too much. I had him as townie in early game but I can't believe a town Mattchew would do something like this, unless he was somehow hospitalized right after he made that post or something. Damn, I really thought he was town wtf is going on? :/
@Risen: So you are VERY active this day, very confident, spouting whole scumteams, accusing lots of people for defending your scumread (Vivax) and generally being over-confident about it and shit. That seems like a Town VE play (when he plays badly though >_> ). But I can't shake that feeling that you are not actually playing like you said you intended to do. You said you weren't going to call people out and you would be nice, but you didn't seem too nice this last day. Your attitude didn't make me think you'd change your behaviour. Not only that, it seems way too contrasting with your behaviour at the beginning of the game (which was WAY more passive), and that reminds me of LIII where you did something very similar (you were "passive" and shit, but after being called out you started being aggressive and playing to your town meta). You are not that aggressive this time, but there are similarities in your play which make me not go fully with a "Risen is town" feel. Any explanation for this or something to say?
I managed to get all heated and not call anyone an idiot or put anyone down. It's progress 
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But you disrupted the thread way too much (just like a town VE does....except you are not VE which is why I find it weird).
Everytime someone tried to defend Vivax you jumped and accused them. You prevented people from even discussing Vivax being town, and basically prevented any discussion on someone other than Vivax. You forced every post you had about Vivax on everybody's throat, specially that bad PBPA case you made (I skimmed it and it seemed bad, specially when you quoted lots of his posts and didn't say anything basically).
It does seem like you are over-enthusiastic townie instead of scum (because scum rarely do what you did and try to take complete control of D1 and be active as shit), but hey!, after your LIII game I won't take any chances with you, and it's possible you'll do this as scum.
The only way to know for sure is to see how you are going to react after this.
So Risen, what do you plan to do now? You spouted lots of "scumteams" like solstica+marv+austin+some other guys without conviction and everything was based around VIvax; so who do you think is scum now?
Take your time, we have all this night phase to determine that.
I just don't want to risk you being scum and doing the same thing on other townies and getting them all lynched and trying to WIFOM your way out of being suspected like you did on LIII.
I'll post my thoughts on the other players, but so far I'm getting a little suspicious of talis and austin (austin not so much though), and getting the feeling keriathi is townie.
However the talis and keirathi feels are connected to Dropbear mostly. If Dropbear is scum I think its likely both are town, but if Dropbear is town then talis seems suspicious but I can't really tell about keirathi.
Keirathi basically defending Vivax and not wanting to vote him and sticking to Dropbear as well seemed townie.
Him being around after the lynch and talk about some stuff gave me good vibes as well.
It's not definitive though, but I find other people more suspicious now
I'm not that sure about austin. Some of his posts (like his vote on solstice) seemed pretty scummy to me, but I kind of just took into account what I read from the point I left until now and not the rest (because of what solstice/sciberbia said I started to think he was town) so I'll reread that later to make a better read on austin.
I'll post about talis and S&B in a next post
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I'm getting a little bit suspicious of talis because of his refusal to do anything constructive since he made his case on Dropbear.
Him appearing sporadically ever since, posting some irrelevant stuff and one-liners don't make me feel any good. Not only that he seemed to purposefully ignore the Vivax issue at all when he was active.
Basically, he "seeemed" pro town before this post:
On July 14 2012 04:39 talismania wrote:
ok I'm back from experiments what's going on here
Riven v Vivax and Milton and austin changed their minds is all I see skimming through.
But after that his play crumbled.
He spent a little time responding to Dropbear (more like responding to Dropbear's criticism though).
On July 14 2012 06:00 talismania wrote:
@risen I don't know what to make of the risen v vivax to be honest. I liked your case against him but I'm still stuck on dropbear. and if dropbear is scum I can't see vivax being scum either. mmm I better not be tunneling again like I did last time to HiroPro.
Completely removal from the current town discussion and just tries to stay on his little own world of him FoSing Dropbear and that's it. That seemed suspicious
After that he just seems to be "there"; not doing anything basically
On July 14 2012 06:41 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:39 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:37 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back
Fuck I don't know if I have the time to reread all these last few pages.
Very quickly: Is the voting close or not? Is NL already set (as I imagined it would) or is there a candidate for lynch?
Is my vote needed right now? Because if so I'll skim these pages very quickly instead of reading them thoroughly Yes it is. Go read my case on Vivax. Then go read the case on DropBear. Choose who you find scummier and vote. Here is votecount as it stands. On July 14 2012 06:34 Risen wrote:On July 14 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:
DropBear(3)
talismania
Miltonkram
Keirathi
Vivax(3)
Risen
sciberbia
DropBear
keirathi(2)
strongandbig
gonzaw
s0Lstice(2)
strongandbig
austinmcc
Risen(2)
Vivax
s0Lstice
austinmcc(1)
marvellosity
sciberbia(1)
Mattchew
From high votes to low. I thought this was majority lynch...? Or is it plurality lynch? Lol are you trying to see how much of this stuff you can get away with or something?
This post raised some flags because how out of context it was (regarding talis' previous posts), and how sudden and weird.
Marv was being a pain in the ass to me (admit it >_> ) basically since the game started so him getting pissed about it made sense.
But talis never made any comment about me "going on about the setup" and shit, so what the hell does he mean when he says that? There's no context (like with marv) where I know how talis thinks about me.
Wtf is "how much of this stuff you can get away with"? What stuff?
This seemed very out of place.
Again, there was a Vivax vs Dropbear discussion going on and him posting this instead of trying to contribute to that discussion, he comes out of nowhere with an out of place post that doesn't do shit (it seriously reminds me of what S&B is doing this game, but I'll get to that later).
After that it's just a bunch of pointless one-liners about not wanting to switch and shit.
Like...they don't convince me at all; we are minutes before the lynch and he only has time to post some useless oneliners.
What about the informative posts he made at the beginning of the game? Where the hell are those?
This change in his play make me suspicious of him.
...however if Dropbear is scum it kinds of makes me doubt this suspicion as well (since that seemed a way too risky bus, since Dropbear COULD have been lynched).
....hmm, I'm starting to think that Dropbear might have been town after all and scum didn't really care about this lynch since it was between 2 townies. But I'll leave that out in the air and not dwell too much on that, Dropbear doesn't seem too townie to me and could easily be scum, but trying to make sense of this situation is kind of hard.
Oh well shit I'll make a post about S&B next (this took a while)
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Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning.
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About S&B:
I want to lynch this guy tomorrow.
I've already posted some shit about his earlier posts (fluff and stuff)
I don't like how he's accusing me, discrediting me and flinging shit at me every time he can. The worst thing is that it has only to do with setup talk. That's the only thing he's posting about me when he's accusing me, here:
On July 13 2012 22:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 22:47 gonzaw wrote:On July 13 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote:mafia means mafia, scum means anti-town, but ok gonzaw. I could squabble with you for hours  Okay, Vivax may be the SK, happy now? >_> (actually, is there a SK this game?) On July 13 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:gonzaw: what do you make of this? On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Miltonkram: I found to my sorrow that making a case on a town Talis is an easy thing to do. This also means that he is an attractive target for scum to harp on. I found Milton's reasoning strange. His filter is small, but there are several references to the use of meta. He uses meta to inform his reads on Keirathi, Sciberbia, and austin...but not his top scum read? I know for certain that the information he would find would be useful to him here. His case reads as phony, and I think there is a good chance he rolled scum again.
Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.
I feel better about lynching Miltonkram today, and as such:
##vote: Miltonkram
This game his [austin's] effort matches, and I feel he has made some good points on Risen. Him matching his town meta is only one piece of my view on him, and it's largely unnecessary. His actions thus far seem pretty pro-town to me. On July 13 2012 11:33 Keirathi wrote:On July 13 2012 10:58 s0Lstice wrote:
what do you think of Miltonkram, Marv? As an aside: your case against Risen feels stronger than your case against Milton anyways. I'm kind of suprised you voted the way you did. Mentioned elsewhere in my filter, but that was my gut reaction to s0lstice's post as well. What do you think? Yeah I noticed it. I'd like him to explain himself though (I don't know if he did), since I don't think it's something "scummy" in itself but rather could be more of a misunderstanding. I didn't really pay much attention to it since the rest of his posts make me think he's town (I've already said why I think). "How many scum are there? Four?" "There are PMs this game right guys? PM me!" "is there an SK this game?" ... making me think you're scum here man
On July 13 2012 23:05 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 23:00 gonzaw wrote:
the more flips there are we can determine how many scum there are
......... man seriously. what are you doing. and I know what you were trying to say ("we can reverse engineer wbg's setup randomizer or something and know how many scum there are") but since we don't know the setup randomizer that's also totally pointless.
On July 14 2012 00:55 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 00:31 gonzaw wrote:On July 13 2012 23:05 strongandbig wrote:On July 13 2012 23:00 gonzaw wrote:
the more flips there are we can determine how many scum there are
......... man seriously. what are you doing. and I know what you were trying to say ("we can reverse engineer wbg's setup randomizer or something and know how many scum there are") but since we don't know the setup randomizer that's also totally pointless. WBG said this setup follows C9++ but the only thing that changed was the chance of the roles and he added a Framer (and changed Medics->JK and IC->Miller). There's no need to shit things up I'll just do it on my own (other people could do it on their own) and if I find something interesting I'll state it (for instance I checked the C9++ wiki and apparently there is a SK only when there is an odd amount of VTs, I guess it may be similar here). It may help in a LYLO massclaim for instance. Also, I think WBG said he was posting his "determiner" once its balanced. WBG: WIll you post the "randomizer" you used to determine the setup?
Also apparently no Miller nor Masons claimed, so we don't have any of those Therefore I'll consider any Miller or Mason claim from now on as confirmed scum (well...it doesn't seem likely scum would fake-claim Mason together but whatever). So Cops....check away, any Red check you get will be legit (no Miller claimed and you are guaranteed to be sane).
S&B, what do you think of Dropbear and Risen? Dude just stop - WBG will not post the randomizer, he's said, so as to preserve its integrity. There is a 50% chance of there being an SK, it doesn't matter how many VTs there are. PEOPLE, WILL YOU PLEASE STOP TRYING TO GAIN INFORMATION FROM THE MAFIASCUM C9++ SETUP. THIS SETUP IS DIFFERENT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED. WE CANNOT GAIN ANY USEFUL INFORMATION FROM THE MAFIASCUM C9++ SETUP!As for your question I'm at work still so no deep thoughts yet - I'm inclined to give Risen the benefit of the doubt for a few days at least, since he has a good motivation to try to change his town play. Nothing on dropbear right now I'll try and reread his filter later.
He only finds me suspicious because of the setup talk; and it's bullshit. Not only that but I already said he was way too overdramatic and "trying to be pro-town" with that last post of his.
On July 14 2012 06:52 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:49 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:On July 14 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote:On July 14 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote:
There's 20 minutes to deadline and you make a fucking post asking taht when you can just read the OP? Get a grip
It's majority It stoke me some doubt since Risen was all "vote Vivax/Dropbear" which made me think it may have been a plurality lynch. If it's majority then sorry to tell you but we'll NL if things keep up like this. Yes AND YOU HAVEN'T VOTED What's wrong with you??? What the hell is wrong with you marv? Get off my back and stop nitpicking everything I say. I already voted Keirathi. Shit I don't have time to read the thread, I just skimmed and saw some posts from Vivax and at least he seemed active (didn't read its content), but Dropbear isn't even here. Fuck it I hate majority lynches, but here it goes: ##Unvote: Keirathi
##Vote: DropbearHopefully I reread the thread quickly before the lynch but I doubt it. of course he's not here he's in australia it's like four am like there are decent reasons to vote for him but that's not one of them i want everyone to seriously consider gonzaw for lynch tomorrow.
Again I don't like these accusations he has of me (he has mentioned 0 substance on why I'm scum).
What's more, I don't like this "grudge" he has about me based on my play on MTG mafia (which he still refuses to explain).
That "grudge" seems fake as hell.
Every time I accuse him he acts all frustrated and posts "gonzaw you are always accusing me you are posting like a toilet, etc"
I already posted before that this seems fake, since there is NO indication for him to be that frustrated at me (seriously, check my filter and find any reason why he would be that frustrated, or why he would be this frustrated instead of Keirath or Dropbear whom I actually "tunneled" more than him, hell I never even voted S&B).
However he always finds the time to post that when I accuse him, and he just disregards everything I say with that.
That seems like an obvious attempt to reflect attention, I can't accuse him of anything since he posts "oh you are accusing me again", acts like I'm tunneling him for no reason similarly to other games, and just drops the subject
Scummy as fuck.
His defense didn't seem "townie" at all since he was needlessly aggressive:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=15#292
It reminded me of Risen's defense on LIII, where i accused him and he acted all offended, aggressive and mighty and call me shit and stuff (Risen was scum there).
Oh wait I'm not done.
I'll say that S&B FoSed Keirathi initially, and then backed off him and that seems townie.
Yet he can still do it as scum so I won't take it into account (based on all the rest scummy stuff he did).
On July 14 2012 04:50 strongandbig wrote:
so the vast majority of krathi's filter reads pretty scummy to me still, but him calling out derpberp for calling him town puts me in enough doubt that i dont really want to nuke him yet
##unvote
i was leaning townie on risen because of his trolovote on vivek, it seemed town - but now that i reread his filter there are a few things that give me pause. specifically, his "i hunt for whole scum teams" thing is pretty turr'ble - he says "it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team", which seems to be missing the point of scumhunting as a townie. i think a townie would be talking about "easy to find scum" not "easy to make cases". i also dont like how focused he is on defending himself by making a case on someone else instead of actually answering the cases against him. that said, I don't think that his inactivity makes him scummy, since he could just have lurked if he was lurky scum instead of promising future activity.
at the moment i'm waiting to see a bit more from him, we have like two and a half hours left.
im also leaning scum on vivek because of how he kept backing off of someone as soon as they defended themselves a little bit.
theres a bunch of other people who are kinda-sorta scummy, like gonzaw for his "trolololo i didnt read the setup" herpderp, marv for me not being able to read him anyway, and austin for that stuff about him and tali i talked about earlier.
for now ##vote: vivax
as for solstice it's not like I think he's super townie or anything, but i'm not sold on him being scum; asking questions can imply your opinions sometimes
actually wait that's a lie. i just read his filter from lvi and from noob17, and in both of those he asks questions a bunch but they feel more insightful than the ones he asks here, and he posts opinions interspersed with the questions. Plus if marv just caught a scum d1 it would mean hes probably town making my life easier (that's not true at all marv's meta is 100% to kill his teammates and we would learn nothing about him).
##unvote
##vote s0lstice
umm, vivax consider yourself pressured or whatever.
The tone of this post seems way too weird to me. With phrases like "trololol", the way he phrases stuff, etc don't make me think he's paying too much attention to the game or cares too much about it (if you disagree with this doesn't matter just ignore it).
His reads seem way too weird as well, and he doesn't really back them up at all (his read on me, vivex, etc).
His vote on solstice is very bad:
i just read his filter from lvi and from noob17, and in both of those he asks questions a bunch but they feel more insightful than the ones he asks here, and he posts opinions interspersed with the questions.
He's using meta ALONE about something IRRELEVANT (he asks "more insightful questions" when he's town, and he's "asking questions" here....how the hell is that relevant?)
It may seem like he did this post in a rush and was just reading stuff, thinking solstice was town, then rereading his filter and thinking he was scum and didn't have time to actually say why, but I don't really buy it.
I already mentioned something about him in that talis post. He then posts sporadically and not interested in any discussion or being part of them at all.
On July 14 2012 06:08 strongandbig wrote:
im willing to vote austin but marv what do you think about sol now? still scum but less sure than austin, or are you doubting your earlier read on him?
I mean, he comes out of nowhere to manipulate marv into going against solstice again
On July 14 2012 06:47 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote vivax lets do this
Nice ninja-vote there that sealed Vivax's fate.
Like, he seems too scummy and nothing like his play in MTG (he was more active in discussion there, his posts made more sense, he wasn't this "trollish" and he didn't just post out of nowhere with random stuff and didn't care about the current discussion, at least not when he was active).
I could see him posting some stuff as town (like asking me about why I'm "not caring" about the setup, flip-flopping on his solstice read in that post seems like he was a townie changing his mind quickly, him backing off keiarth), but his attitude and content convince me otherwise.
Sorry if this was long but I had a LOT of things to say about S&B
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On July 14 2012 13:31 DropBear wrote:
Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning.
I'd really like you posting stuff and shit to convince me you are town (if you are).
I think I'll get shot tonight (well I'm always shot N1, except when I'm playing with Ace), but even then I want to make the most accurate reads with the most possible info, so before dying town can take my words into account.
Posting your thoughts on what I just posted about talis/S&B would be nice for instance.
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On July 14 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 13:31 DropBear wrote:
Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning. I'd really like you posting stuff and shit to convince me you are town (if you are). I think I'll get shot tonight (well I'm always shot N1, except when I'm playing with Ace), but even then I want to make the most accurate reads with the most possible info, so before dying town can take my words into account. Posting your thoughts on what I just posted about talis/S&B would be nice for instance.
Night posting gives scum a chance to manipulate their shots. I'm not a fan. Not only this the night flips could make it all completely moot anyway if the person dies and flips.
I have posted regarding suspicion of talismania previously. I hadn't looked at s&b at all.
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But it's the only chance the guys that die by scum's hands get to voice their opinions
It's also a chance for other people to confirm themselves as town, or another chance to catch more scum (that way time is not wasted).
I dunno....I won't start a giant argument why discussing at night is helpful though
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Snpipet from your post gonzaw "So Risen, what do you plan to do now?"
I have no idea. As I said, everything I had revolved around Viv being scum.
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Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe
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On July 14 2012 14:18 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe
I did use the "posts drunk-> is town" heuristic on Prome and S&B in MTG......but dude that doesn't really work in your favor right now.
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Vigis kill Mattchew if we have one.
I was hoping for a decent explanation for his behaviour, "I'm drunk" hours after the event is not it.
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On July 14 2012 14:30 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 14:18 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe I did use the "posts drunk-> is town" heuristic on Prome and S&B in MTG......but dude that doesn't really work in your favor right now.
Prome also posted drunkenly in Newbie XIX where he was scum
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On July 14 2012 13:31 DropBear wrote:
Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning.
You got so many votes because you did nothing during day 1. Where's the surprise??
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Rereading, but for now I'll bite on Mattchew. I'm having some of the same thoughts you are, Gonzaw.
On July 14 2012 12:39 gonzaw wrote:
This is just too much. I had him as townie in early game but I can't believe a town Mattchew would do something like this, unless he was somehow hospitalized right after he made that post or something.
Damn, I really thought he was town wtf is going on? :/
First glance through the thread, I was leaning real town on him. Like...some posts come off very townie: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 10:44 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/ It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't. Correctly identifies what you were doing (reading thread decently close). Doesn't care that he was one of those people. Doesn't feel need to respond here. On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.
I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here. he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town On July 12 2012 22:48 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:45 marvellosity wrote:If you're interested, check out Liar where he was scum. Incredibly verbose there too can't i just be blinded and not have to read 1000 pages of filter to see the difference between him as scum and him as town On July 12 2012 22:52 Mattchew wrote:
lets just call him confirmed town over and over again and maybe scum will do our read for us.. and if not we lynch him day 3
oh shit they can read this too cant they Very playful tone in his discussion with marv of you, Gonzaw. Doesn't promise to go look at your Liar Game thread, just blows it off without worry. Drops a stupid comment at the end. On July 13 2012 07:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:24 Keirathi wrote:On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote:
Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced
Thats because they were kind of forced. I was specifically asked to make reads, so I responded with the two single scummiest things I've noticed. But I have a method to the way I play this game. Take a look at this. I take notes like this for a reason: so I can recognize patterns in people's play, rather than harping on one or two scummy things they've done. That's why I'm hesitant to make hard reads early. So you know that you do this as town, whats to stop you from doing so as scum? This post actually gives me mixed feelings. On one hand, it's relatively insightful, again showing matt is reading thread and occasionally posting a decent, if short, thought. But at the same time, keirathi isn't saying "I'm town because I take lots of notes." He's saying, "Those reads were forced because I don't like to make early reads" (which i still dislike anyone saying). matt's post sort of misses the mark, thinking that keirathi is saying he is playing like he did as town, but I still like the insight?
However, there's a common thread in all of those posts that none are really insightful or townie-looking scumhunting. Matt's scumhunting/votes tell a very different story.
Matt + sciberbia
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far  He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread On July 13 2012 04:55 Mattchew wrote:
Also, marv and gonz, what do you think of scib On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote:Lets kill talis, Keirathi or scib Talis cause he's proposing anti town plans and then backpeddling super fast Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced scib cause he seems hesitant to post, and he posts this (it was spoilered) Show nested quote +Obviously, we should be lynching every day until we have good reason not to. I will push to get my scumreads lynched, but I will prefer any lynch to a No-Lynch.
I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. Obviously, lurking hurts town, but I don't think lurking is all that alignment-indicative. Seeing as our goal is to lynch scum, I will only give slight preference to lynching the lurker over the active player, everything else being even.
as he has not pushed a single read yet On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote:
##vote sciberbia
He's got a tiny suspicion on sciberbia. He asks gonzaw and marv about sciberbia. Both respond with short statements, but find sciberbia townie - + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 05:00 marvellosity wrote:
hmmm. scib looks ok to me at the moment. On July 13 2012 05:04 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 05:00 marvellosity wrote:
hmmm. scib looks ok to me at the moment. This.
Matt's vote stays on sciberbia for the rest of the day. No more reasoning posted. No attempts to get anyone to switch. No comments from him as to whether he'd consolidate onto dropbear or vivax, although he does respond to Gonzaw at some point that he doesn't find dropbear scummy. Do not like. Like...the vote feels off. The questioning with no reaction feels off. Not participating at the end feels off. Asking about the votecount and the time left shows concern about the lynch, yet leaving his vote on sciberbia uselessly shows no concern about the lynch. His actions and his vote are in direct conflict with the posts that seem townie.
Also during all the voting, On July 14 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote:
Imma read into risen now
No risen read ever posted, despite coming back to thread to ask about the votecount and how much time left.
Here's something to consider as well, but I don't know that it matters much. Matt posts that he's going to sheep marv. Matt never sheeps marv. Okay, that's just dumb but not really scummy. But...
On July 14 2012 03:17 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 03:10 austinmcc wrote:On July 14 2012 03:00 DropBear wrote:On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
Is there any particular reason for this? Actually, I'm wondering this as well, specifically, why is marv your choice? town read and he's smart gonz is town too imo but his day 1 reads are usually meh at best no offense
Nobody else seemed concerned about this. I'm guessing nobody knows why I asked this? Take a look at marv's last 5 town games:
MTG unthemed mini (both played) - D1 marv votes Mouldy Jeb (town), D2 pushes zealos (scum)
bang bang (mattchew didn't play) - D1 marv suspects RoL (town), shoots Gonzaw (cop)
movie star (both played) - D1 marv votes Zentor (town), D2 marv votes mattchew (scum), and N2 shoots VE (town)
LVI (both played) - D1 marv votes foxtrotter (town), N1 shoots drwiggl3s (town)
NMMII (mattchew didn't play)- D1 marv votes drwiggl3s (town), N1 shoots MsZontar (town)
Recent games, Marv is 0/5 on D1. 0/3 on vigi shots. 2/4 on D2 reads. Mattchew PLAYED in three of those games, so he's seen this. No offense marv, you know I agreed on a chunk of those reads and pushed some of those players, but your D1 reads, empirically, aren't good for sheeping.
I didn't post that summary yesterday because matt didn't look like a lynch candidate and I thought that, if it did anything, it would just derail thread, because nobody was talking about matt really. Plus, it's not quite ... scummy? It shows he's not paying full attention, not really having solid reasoning, but it's not outright scummy to be wrong about marv's D1 reads being better than gonzaw. However, it gave me pause. Something to think about.
Given that some of mattchew's POSTS look townie, whereas his actions and his vote don't, I'm finding him scummy right now. I'm not looking back through newbie guides and stuff at the moment, but that's a thing right? Isn't that some magical ace rule, to look at the actions over the posts? The sheeping marv business is mostly null, maybe SLIGHTLY scummy, but just something I'd maybe like to get people's thoughts on.
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And I'll balance out a longer post with a shorter post.
s0lstice is still on my radar. Again, it's little things, nothing outright megascummy, but the players who are most scummy D1 never seem to actually be scum. So, just some little things:
On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys: Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens...... Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.
no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me. You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later). marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so). Also this guy could die too: (Here's where Gonzaw suspects me. I'm not just chopping it out and making it seem like I wasn't in this post)
Solstice references this post twice, in what feel like slightly different ways.
On July 12 2012 10:15 s0Lstice wrote:
As far as the names you listed, I wouldn't want to kill any of them right now. Austin has easy town meta, I feel confident I can recognize it. Mattchew, Risen, and s&b are just blank pages. I am nervous however of Risen making a conscious effort to change his play-style. I read him right in SSB64 but just barely.
On July 12 2012 10:51 gonzaw wrote:
Does anybody think one of those guys above I mentioned could be scum? (I'd post why I think they are town but only if there are suspicions on them).
Well...maybe I'm going too fast though :/
On July 12 2012 10:57 s0Lstice wrote:
it's not too fast. day 1 is weird, and it only really gets going when people do what you do.
right now I'd want to hear from Vivax, mainly.
my dear Vivax, what do you think of the people gonzaw posted about? do you find it scummy that they appeared excited to post, yet didn't say much past their intro?
Again, it's not...outright scummy. But it's odd to me that he doesn't want to kill anyone with low post counts, they're blank pages. Then he turns around and says "it's not too fast" when Gonzaw thinks he's getting ahead of himself. It's...off? Those three are blank to solstice, they haven't posted enough. But it's not too fast to start throwing suspicions around.
Another:
On July 12 2012 08:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +sciberbia wrote:
I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. Obviously, lurking hurts town, but I don't think lurking is all that alignment-indicative. Seeing as our goal is to lynch scum, I will only give slight preference to lynching the lurker over the active player, everything else being even.
I'm not convinced that masons, millers, or roleblockers should claim, but I've never played in a setup quite like this before and I haven't thought much about it. I'll read up on the issue and see if I agree with you guys.
Well, ideally since this is not a newbie game, we shouldn't have townies lurking much. Its a bit different in newbie games because people don't really know how to play, and since everyone here should have a decent idea of how to play, then people lurking is strategy rather than ignorance. That's not to say that I think lynching lurkers is a particularly good idea, but looking into lurkers has more merit in this type of game than a newbie one..
On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Keirathi, assuming you are still around...
why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?
Again it's not a scummy thing. But...was keirathi really being "verbose" here? He's got like...3 sentences about lurkers. He's responding to sciberbia, who also wrote 3 sentences about lurkers. solstice's later comment:
On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
-keirathi's most lengthy post is on a safe zone topic. I want him to know I noticed that, and apply a little pressure. Again, it just feels a little bit off. That WAS keirathi's biggest post. It IS a throwaway topic. But on rereading, I just didn't find it verbose. This is a retarded thing for me to nitpick. I know it's a retarded thing to nitpick.
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Wow I guess drunk me doesn't like reading
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Lol Austin. Thanks for that :p
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Haha, sorry. Not like my D1s have been better.
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so was my vote on solstice really scummy? I was trying to express that I wasn't convinced by the case on him until I read his filters from those other games... is there a problem with that?
idk, my scum reads right now are pretty much the same as they were 24 hours ago - keirathi's been seeming more townie, since his big post on drop bear at least actually talked about things that are relevant to scumhunting. Solstice still seems like possible scum for the same reason as I said before. I'm still at a loss to explain why gonzaw aggressively refused to read the thread and kept asking questions about setup, it just doesn't make sense from either a scum or town perspective.
Ugh, I guess I'll go through some stuff from gonzaw's case on me next.
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