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strongandbig
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he actually broke his wrist that wasn't a lie? and he still flipped scum? Talismania if you tried the "I broke my wrist" gambit I would be in so much admiration. Also On July 17 2012 06:47 Mattchew wrote: After the flip and later tonight. For now, we lynch Talis. GTG sounds a lot like Ace lynching a townie. I was super ready to jump all over mattchew but the fact that talismania flipped scum makes me feel a lot better about matt. | ||
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there's no reason to lynch risen today. if he lives tomorrow then we can start thinking about lynching him but we should be lynching someone else today. i'm down to lynch keirathi or gonzaw, i'll try and post more later today but I can't promise anything since it's been pretty busy at work i'll definitely post more before the lynch though | ||
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@Milton there's another option - we have a town aligned JK or RB who roleblocked scum N1, and scum didn't claim it then. | ||
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I also think Sciberbia is town. His case on Talismania really convinced me to lynch him. Yes it could have been a bus, but it would have been a real hardcore old-school bus, where he actually helped lead the lynch rather than just voicing suspicion or sheeping votes, and I find it unlikely that a relatively new player busses his godfather in that way. I have to reread his filter, but I still mostly think Mattchew is town; even in very active scum games from him he isn't actually helpful, he just pretends to be. That means that I think the two scum are in the list: miltonkram dropbear keirathi gonzaw These make pretty good odds. Out of these, Milton has been giving me the least amount of scum vibes; I've made cases on Dropbear and Keirathi in the past and would be fine lynching them, and I need to think about Gonzaw but I might be able to get behind a lynch on him today as well. One thing to consider though - I don't really like how Risen let people think he had a red check on Gonzaw, and then claimed just two green checks. That's the only thing currently making me hesitate, but I still feel pretty strongly that we shouldn't lynch Risen today. | ||
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On July 18 2012 19:15 Risen wrote: Sigh... I don't think gonzaw is scum and I wanted to live through the night so I was playing stupid but I guess my claim was going to force me to go all in sooner or later. I'm inclined to think you're town, as well. I really think scum team is keir/matt. Wanted to keep my suspicions of him masked until keir flipped. what. this makes no sense to me. why would you claim your role but then "keep your suspicions veiled"? Why would you let everyone think you thought gonzaw was scum, if you didn't really think he was scum? | ||
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risen when you said + Show Spoiler [this] + On July 18 2012 07:24 Risen wrote: Town in my eyes me strongandbig s0Lstice dude whatever it's summer miltonkram dropbear keirathi sciberbia mattchew (completely dependent on gonzaw flip or mason claim) scummy as fuck gonzaw (I'm going to hold that the misspelling of milton's name was a scumslip, also see other cases posted) ##vote gonzaw List order is from town in my eyes to scum in my eyes. If gonzaw flips scum Mattchew becomes scummier in my eyes (unless he's the mason partner in which case confirmed town). I don't think milton is scummy b/c why would his teammates misspell his name. Dropbear and tali beign scum would mean double scum up for lynch d1 and I don't see that as likely. Scib and Keir could be swapped, I can't tell whether my dislike of Keir is b/c he doesn't like me or b/c I genuinely find him scummy. I would really like to claim so if the mason could claim right now I'd be pretty pleased. There's a good chance that with mason claim we might just be winning (regardless of gonzaw alignment) | ||
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On July 19 2012 12:28 gonzaw wrote: Framers only frame townies to get a red check (never heard of framers being able to frame their own buddies to get them to check "town"...that's what Godfathers do). This is egregious. Every time a framer has been mentioned in a thread since I've started playing TL mafia, someone has mentioned the possibility of framing their teammates; there's no reason to assume the opposite so blithely. It's just, like, enough is enough - at a certain point we have to assume that this is malicious. I just can't decide what the odds are that Gonzaw would actually do as much work as he is claiming and posting without even reading the OP. | ||
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To be more specific, Matt is terrible at posting cases and things that get people to do things. He's very good at not getting lynches as scum, and he's no worse than anyone else with finding scum when he's town. But your case relies on him having bussed talis and there being a difference between his day 1 and his day 2. You're ignoring his flailing during the first half of day 1, as well as the fact that his case against Talismania was terrible and it was sciberbia who actually persuaded people to kill Talismania. Now, I don't have any really compelling reasons why Matt is town other than a semi-gut-read which says that he's putting a lot more effort into posting about other people than he usually does as scum, and that he's not a cancer on the town atmosphere like he usually is. So I don't expect that to persuade you; but I do not find your case at all persuasive. | ||
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On July 19 2012 14:37 Miltonkram wrote: @ Risen I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD. @ Gonzaw I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through. Wait a minute I was just reading Milton's filter and I saw this He makes a case on Talismania day 1, then jumps off him onto dropbear Then at the start of day 2 he still says dropbear is his top scum read for a large number of reasons, none of which changed when Talismania flipped scum. Note also that dropbear didn't actually vote Talismania despite "going after Talismania" being the main reason people think he's town. I think either dropbear/Gonzaw or dropbear/Milton is the scum team. ##vote: dropbear | ||
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The difference is when he's town he tries to when he's scum he doesn't. I'll read lvi when I get home but he was town in lv with me and played way less logical and helpfully than he has this game. That's not a town tell. | ||
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What is the case on risen? My reasons for being suspicious of him are mostly that he let everyone think he had a scum investigation on Gonzaw and that Gonzaw was his top scum read, which was apparently a lie. However I'm not willing to lynch him for that yet. | ||
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So reading dropbear's filter makes him seem scummy but talismania's filter is confusing - I need to think for a little bit. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:40 Mattchew wrote: S&B, this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread? Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him. ##unvote Now dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously. | ||
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