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Looks like my vote will be staying on Vivax. I really thought austin's case on me that concluded with a town read was just scummy b/c seriously who goes into that much detail just to end up buddying me? (Goes to the whole, he knows I'm town and therefor just found some stuff in my past games to support his "town-read" case) I'll be gathering everything on Vivax into a single post, but I really don't think we should be lynching anyone else. | ||
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On July 14 2012 04:16 Vivax wrote: LOL sciberbia, I am bandwagoning? Tell me then, who was the first to vote for Risen? Here you are defending him not by attacking the arguments against him, but his attacker. That's the type of defense one can employ for scumbuddies with less risk. I really hope we lynch Risen today, cause if he's scum this slip by yours will mean you're next, I'll take care of it in that case. And fyi, I have a townread on Keirathi. His posts look pro-town to me, the only thing that bugs me is that he only posted reads about a few people, along with calling out some to specify things, but he says his schedule doesn't allow much time. He also criticizes the use of meta by some people, which I think is also ok cause meta shouldn't be the way to get your top reads. I won't vote Keirathi today. DropBear made a possible slip, which even Keirathi pointed out. This is important cause that slip might have turned out to be in Keirathis favor and yet he pointed it out. That action reads town to me. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 17:02 DropBear wrote: Oh whoops that was a mistake, i meant to say Milton. I'm unsure on you. Tbh, I don't know what to think of DropBear from this slip. Right now I have a null read on him, also looking at his other posts. Doesn't look like he fears exposion, so I'll assume he is town for now. Maybe he made that slip cause he knew Keirathi is town, but ignore this since it's super speculative  And this is him trying to muddy up the waters by just using "scumslip" as many ways as possible in a manner that is clearly not a "scumslip" so people will think he's just being noob towny. Do not fall for this... | ||
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As usual with these things, don't take his defense of Keirathi into account if making cases on him (Keirathi) | ||
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On July 14 2012 04:21 Vivax wrote: Since Risen thinks my case sucks, I'd like to point out the quality of his cases: Then we see here how he tries to cast doubt on my initial vote on him. Anyone reading the thread knows I placed my vote on him in only a half-hearted manner b/c his vote for strongandbig was just bad. Keep feeding me the rope, though, Viv. | ||
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On July 14 2012 04:17 sciberbia wrote: lol sorry just couldn't resist pointing this out lol | ||
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On July 14 2012 04:24 Vivax wrote: Hey Risen, you gonna post the definition of scumslip from a dictionary next or are you smart enough to understand what I mean from the context of my post? Being a language nazi isn't the best defense, know what I mean? From scumhunt, and as it's used on these forums... A scumslip is anything that a member of the Scum-team can say that gives away that he's with the mafia, 100%. On July 14 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: Risen's case so far blows. Waiting on the longer form version that was coming. However, your case didn't win awards either. Your slip wasn't a slip. Risen's nonsensical read on DropBear had also been brought up and discussed. I mentioned it in my first post. Gonzaw misinterepreted it and wrote about it. Marv pointed that out. I pointed that out. Other people pointed it out. Those 3 posts of Risen on DropBear had already popped up and been batted around a little. You basically grabbed 2 posts in which he does nothing, ignored all the other posts in which he does nothing, then poked at something that has already been wtf?ed at. I'll get on it boss. | ||
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On July 12 2012 07:36 Vivax wrote: I like gonzaws idea for the miller, but not for the masons. The masons should stay secret to pull off team stunts. Alright, good opener. Nothing too useful, but he's giving his opinion on the miller/mason claim. Better than lurking! On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote: There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls? ##Vote His very next post. How can you be an active lurker so early into the game? I initially thought this post was just something to get strongandbig posting. I, however, hate when people do things like this without at least a little solid reasoning. Pressuring people is fine, I do it (or at least I try to) and I'm not worried about that, but I dislike how this is just a single one-line vote following absolutely nothing. On July 12 2012 17:21 Vivax wrote: ##unvote strongandbig ##Vote Miltonkram Well you said you were watching something on tv yesterday and would start calling out scum soon, so I thought you were monitoring the game. Anyway, that was a pretty informative post about marv, you have my seal of approval for unlurking. Now I wanna see something from Milton :p. Gives credence to the possibility that he's just pressuring people into posting by using his vote as a means. Perfectly fine, and I support this pressure because it's not just "##unvote ##vote miltonb/clurk"... it's milton said he was going to lurk a little but lets add a little fire under his bum for added motivation. At this point I'm thinking, oh yeah vivax is playing pretty townie. Sweet. On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote: @ NSH It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<. Back to the topic: ##unvote strongandbig Very informative post about marv there. Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted. He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive. Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one. s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game. That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style. This is just... what? I don't even know what's going on the first half of this post. Anyways, he finds the person he's played with in the past and says "he's playing different from his meta! He's different!" Umm... how? That's how meta cases work, you find a discrepancy and then you post what said discrepancy is. Also latches onto s0lstice's point about scrib's posting instead of adding to the conversation. On July 13 2012 01:49 Vivax wrote: No, he doesn't have to be townie. But I initially voted for him cause he didn't post anything, then he posted the metagame info and I found it good enough to unvote him. I remember sciberbia for more concise, compact posts, and I remember him posting really early. He already explained why he didn't post early in this game, so what remains are the posts that subjectively look different to me. But I prefer to not rely heavily on meta, my play changes often aswell and I don't have as much experience. Anyway, I don't like Matt's filter, it looks like he posts rather meaningless content, no active scumhunting in it, rather commenting on what other players already said. He also acts a little differently than in LVI. More wishy washy "he's different but I'm not going to post anything specific" On July 13 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=129423 Matt's filter in LVI. You accused me of using too much meta, so feel free to read and quote it for yourself. Weird that you asked about it cause you were in the same game. Continues with "his meta is different just look here!" (gives him an out if someone says well I read it and I'm not seeing anything wonky like you because Viv hasn't actually posted HOW matt is different) On July 13 2012 03:11 Vivax wrote: Some from LVI: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 15:46 Mattchew wrote: Adam, what do you make of this post. And I like your thoughts on Mandalor His tone is different. Just look at the posts this game. They discredit many opinions, but I can't recognize any active scumhunting coming from them. From this game: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 22:39 Mattchew wrote: Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak. So... you grab an extremely specific post about matt bawking at someone making an extremely scummy post and say that b/c he's different now he's moving away from his meta? His meta is a general trend of how he usually plays, if you wanted to use that in a meta argument you'd have to find a post very similar to the one you quoted and make the link between games. For example, if a post in a similar vein was made in this thread and matt didn't do anything about it, THEN you would say he's playing against his meta. OR, if he made a post very similar to the one he made that game in this one you could point to that and say he's playing to his meta. That hasn't happened, there is no meta connection in those quotes you provided. Now you're misusing meta AND scumslip. What gives... On July 13 2012 04:18 Vivax wrote: You got your answers about matt. You asked for meta information, not me. My arguments against matt weren't based primarily on meta like you are trying to put it. Also, good job on asking for information you think is not a contribution. If that's the information you want town to get, it's not hard to guess which team you are on. Bold: The actual meta content regarding matt. It's interesting how you inflated such a sentence and go on calling it an inconsistency with my opinion regarding meta. I said I wouldn't base my reads heavily on meta. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 01:49 Vivax wrote: No, he doesn't have to be townie. But I initially voted for him cause he didn't post anything, then he posted the metagame info and I found it good enough to unvote him. I remember sciberbia for more concise, compact posts, and I remember him posting really early. He already explained why he didn't post early in this game, so what remains are the posts that subjectively look different to me. But I prefer to not rely heavily on meta, my play changes often aswell and I don't have as much experience. Anyway, I don't like Matt's filter, it looks like he posts rather meaningless content, no active scumhunting in it, rather commenting on what other players already said. He also acts a little differently than in LVI. Marv, correctly imo, calls out Vivax on his horrible use of meta. Vivax replies with a horrible defense and a soft push on marv. Guess who soft pushes shit? Scum. Why? Because later on they can point to the soft-pushes, the soft-defenses and say "hey! I called him out long ago, that's why I'm joining this bandwaggon!" or "hey! I defended him here, see! I knew he was towny, damn..." after a town flip. On July 13 2012 05:36 Vivax wrote: Yes this indeed was a wtf post. I stil don't get why someone votes me for voting someone else while inserting some contentless crap along with the vote. Him saying it's too early for anything + Show Spoiler + o_O More to follow. More to follow....... ........ ..... .. . Where? On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote: I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. Finally! We have a post with conviction! (Even if it IS coming after other people have already voiced suspicion of Milton) On July 13 2012 21:51 Vivax wrote: Ok Milton, your defense is quite good. I suspected you for going with towns' sentiment regarding talis and getting an easy lynch target, and to be honest I still feel that the arguments against him aren't very strong. He's in a bad corner cause of his proposition, in page 2 of his filter he stopped talking about the plan, then started calling out people before he got forced into a defensive position again. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 05:49 talismania wrote: Time to poke the hornet's nest again dropbear what's your response to this (below)? The way I see it, you made a post asking vivax some questions with some implied suspicion maybe. Then marv votes vivax and you eagerly hop on the wagon. When called out, you say you called him out for being suspicious the page earlier, but the only post you made in reference to him was just the one where you asked him questions. You never actually called him out for being suspicious as you said. If there is something I detest, is when someone gets accused for defending himself, like you did, Milton. Defending yourself is playing to win, from each alignments perspective. It's only logical that a guy who has to counter endless arguments can't be actively scumhunting, but Talis posted his reads already on page 1 before people started accusing him so heavily: + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 00:43 talismania wrote: Reactions to talismania's Shitty Plan (for those who care) + Show Spoiler + marvellosity On July 12 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote: naw, I'm not killing anyone based on one post right at the beginning of the game (especially as pregame was quite active/friendly, it spilled over) I'd rather lynch talis for his never-ending bullshit on listing names and reasons. Seriously, 24 hours into day 1 and we're supposed to come up with reasons on 3 different people for why they might be scum? It's just nonsense. Or... wait for it... I have an idea! If someone says something a person finds scummy, they can call them out and bring it to the thread! Wow, marv, you say - an amazing plan! People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people. Predictably shits on it, suggests policy lynching me out of his annoyance that I keep proposing these dumb plans. gonzaw On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote: So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys: You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later). marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so). Also this guy could die too: But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling) Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it. Actually follows the plan - as I said seems rather townie. Especially the timing. Mattchew On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit shits on it solstice On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote: Keirathi, assuming you are still around... why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan? I actually don't see him reacting to it at all yet he asks keirathi about it. Interesting. He did react to gonzaw's post reacting to mine. austinmcc On July 12 2012 11:33 austinmcc wrote: That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful. What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning. Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw? Actually this reads scummy again on the second go-round too. He says he's about to "add" something but literally just copies/expands on what marv said and doesn't add anything at all. Keirathi On July 12 2012 11:54 Keirathi wrote: Sorry was getting dinner. I was verbose because I have some shared experience with sciberbia, whom I was replying to. I know that most (all?) of his TL mafia experience was in newbie games, and the dynamic is just different when you can assume that people know how to play the game. As far as talismania's plan, I feel like it makes it too easy for mafia to blend in. The more townies you have making arguments against other townies, the easier you can push mislynches and not have to take any blame for them. There are other things wrong with it, but Mattchew and austin beat me to it. No need rehashing what they said. Mmm I think this is innocuous. He might not even have responded if he hadn't been asked to. DropBear On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote: This is silly. This isn't going to happen and would just waste time. On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. Actually this doesn't sit that well with me at all. Conversation had started to move on and then he brings it back to my plan and says the same shit everyone else did. I also don't like his misrepresentation of my views on the roleblocker's use of their power. strongandbig On July 12 2012 16:51 strongandbig wrote: Hey bros For people who weren't in ssb or mtg mafias, just wanted to let you guys know I am currently in Europe, where I don't have a cell phone data plan. This means I can only post when I have wifi, which is a change from my normal method. I've also been busy at work so please don't expect much from me before 8pm CET. Now for serious stuff: I'm going to be watching marv like a motherfuking hawk. I think hosts tend to try to "balance" games sometimes by tweaking their scum team selection; however, that can and has led to extra info from town through balance speculation. Marvellosity makes an extremely tempting player for hosts to do this kind of balancing, because his scum play is empirically very good, but he isn't a "veteran" so he's not likely to be the subject of balance speculation. I also suspect bugs of doing this kind of balancing. + Show Spoiler [reasons, from wheel of fortune.] + The last of his c++ games I played in was wheel of fortune. That was a stacked game and I was one of the worst players in it, although I did eventually manage to figure out the scum team (and got shot for having correct reads before I could push some of them). With the benefit of hindsight, that scum team looks almost perfectly balanced for the player base. Radfield was town, ace was scum. VE and Forumite were both good players, but only on the edge of being full-on vets. I firmly believe that town would have won that game if Radfield hadn't decided to use a DT check on Ace, who was godfather. That kind of closeness is the sign of a well-balanced game; and the odds that both town and scum would have their best player as their best power role are very small from pure chance. So what does this mean? I am NOT proposing to policy lynch marvellosity; if he's town he can be a great asset, and besides that's totally against the spirit of the game. What I AM saying is that I think when someone points out something scummy he does, we should take it pretty seriously. Pure chance wouldn't explain why he has rolled scum in something like half his games since our first game together (noob 6) while I have rolled it once - him being good and me not does explain that. NOW: having told you why you should pay attention, I'm going to point out something scummy marv has done. That thing is: propose/say he would be okay with lynching Talismania. Talismania's plan IS anti town. When Ace is host and he tells an obs QT how good a plan is for scum, you better believe he knows what he's talking about. Systematic case proposing plans give scum an excuse to make shitty reads and blend in, because everyone is making shitty cases and dumb reads. That kind of plan dilutes good information and adds bad information. HOWEVER: Talismania proposes this plan as town. All the time. Like, every game. Usually "pushing scummy plans" is a decent scum tell; but this specific player pushing this specific plan is not. And Marvellosity should know this. Marv has obs'd at least two games where Talismania proposed this plan or a variation of it (ssb, bangbang). Tali has proposed this in other games. Marv is the kind of player who pays attention; he should also know that I've pushed tali hard for these plans in the past, as have others. Marv putting tali forward as his first lynch candidates comes down to an easy push on an easy target for reasons he should know are bad. Marv, I'm watching you. + Show Spoiler [on Talismania, briefly] + I'm not saying tali is an easy target in general, like kenpachi or grush would be. He's not that kind of shitty player slash bad case magnet. It's just that for marv to propose him for lynch based on that plan is scummy. He's right about me always pushing this idea althoguh I think he's overreacting to marv's reaction. So actually not that many people commented on it even though I thought like everyone did oops. My views: scummy responses: austinmcc, dropbear null responses: marv, mattchew, keirathi, strongandbig townie response: gonzaw did not respond directly although was in the thread: Risen, sciberbia, solstice I sure see the effort to post reads and clear stances here. The responses to his plan have quite some potential. Cause I think your arguments made against talis are inflated and not good, I can't believe you to be town yet. In fact, I may not be able to debunk your case against talis, but I still have an overall bad impression of you, Milton. Another thing in your disfavor: Your defense from s0lstices points is actually an attack. You don't seem to have pushed back his arguments regarding you, you rather tried to discredit him for inconsistence regarding meta, that's a pretty OMGUS/scummy type of defense imo. I'll post more about Keirathi and Dropbear soon, they offer quite interesting connections. Gonna try to interprete Dropbears mistake and draw conclusions. Oh... jk... convictions gone. On July 13 2012 22:32 Vivax wrote: For once I'll agree with you marv. Using self-presented behavior as argumentation is not reliable. Inconsistencies between arguments and intentions are much better for scumhunting. Miltons intentions and arguments are : 1. Lynch talis based on (imo) weak arguments. At least too weak to draw such a quick decision about the lynch target. To me it just looks like Milton's trying to pick a target to blend in and call it a day, while defending himself like he does in point 2. 2. Defend from s0lstice using arguments not designed to defend oneself, but to attack s0lstice. That's also the inconsistency. If you think s0lstice is playing scummy, make a case against him. But don't point out things you find scummy and expect that to be your defense against that players' arguments. Ermm... ok? Nothing really to go on here since he's just confirming what marv has said and not actually offering anything of his own. See a common thread here? Viv isn't actually DOING anything. On July 14 2012 01:18 Vivax wrote: Wtf is all this talk about C9. Looks like a nice distraction from scumhunting. What do you think of the points I've made against Milton? And as opposed to him (cause Milton accuses him), what do you think of Talismania? Well, I guess Milton is his top scumread still. On July 14 2012 03:14 Vivax wrote: Thanks for reminding me, gonzaw. I'll start with an exquisite collection of quotes from various filters: Starting with My top scumread, Risen + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote: It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. Written in 8th page of the game, when there was a fair bit of discussion already going on. He just tried to not attack gonzaw after trying to discredit gonz's previous post, enemies are bad for scum players. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 15:18 Risen wrote: I think it's too early for anything. I don't really like to make reads without any connections (this might be a bad thing to do). I just think it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team, not as individual scum members. More apologies for not doing anything in the 9th page of the game. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote: EBWOP: He could also just be a townie doing pro-town things. This is the most likely option. He wrote this about....Drooopbear.When? After writing this: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote: For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time. We have a scumslip, gentlemen. It's obviously normal that you first list the scum options for a player when your actual opinion of him is that he's town. This is an argument-intention inconsistency I spoke about before. It wouldn't happen to a townie intending to conclude with his belief that the player is actually town. He actually noticed it too late, adding the town option in the following post. ##Unvote ##Vote Risen Lol, jk! His case against me revolves around "buddying" gonzaw very, very, very early in the game and he calls my consistency in not wanting to make reads too early bad. Oh, and then there's my "scumslip" he harps on, but it's not really a scumslip... It's a psych 101 case... or something. 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On July 14 2012 04:57 Vivax wrote: Great, you vote for s0lstice based on a meta argument. There's tons of stuff in this game already, but I guess you prefer to use meta and post 6-line-cases instead of actually posting reads based on the material here. Meta looks like a good excuse to be lazy in your case. You'd even make more sense voting for me. And he keeps on feeding it out. Most of your stuff earlier was based on meta and now meta is wrong? We're still in day 1. Contrary to what you think there ISN'T actually much to go on unless someone on the scum team were to slip up. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote: Disclamer: This is the "list" of scummy guys I'm not that comfortable lynching and I'd like people's opinions on them (I think it's likely there is at least 1 scum in here...hell maybe all are scum >_>) About DropBear: I already posted what I think of him: + Show Spoiler [Thoughts on DropBear] + On July 13 2012 04:27 gonzaw wrote: The thing is his behaviour struck me as odd, and I wanted to "get the ball rolling" to see what happened.. Apparently nobody even commented on it, which was what I was expecting to. I was not confident in Dropbear being scum, but I got a feeling he could. Him later just discrediting my FoS, and general aggressiveness doesn't make me very comfortable FoSing him, since it's always more likely townies that do such thing; although I'm still wary of him buddying up to marv there and jumping on the Vivax bandwagon. *sigh* However that's not decisive evidence, yet he's still one of my candidates for scum. I'll reread some stuff and respond to other stuff later (just want to have the unvote right now so I don't have a vote and another one later, and so this post isn't huge) ##Unvote: DropBear About Risen: I already posted why this was weird. He came out of nowhere just to defend himself against me, but doesn't say anything at all about it, just posted a very apparent tautology without saying anything. Another thing I found weird was: He voted Vivax (I assume) because he didn't state why he voted S&B all of a sudden. However, in that 2nd post of his, Vivax already had 2 votes (marv+Dropbear) and Vivax already explained why he voted/unvoted S&B.....yet he doesn't comment anything about it. If he's town, he knows his vote is the most important thing he has (unless he's Awesome Vigilante with Homing Heat-seeking missiles that 100% target scum), so one would think he'd pay attention to things regarding the guy he's voting. Him softly-accusing Dropbear without actually taking a stance in the subject here: And his seemingly apologetic post here (that again is just an excuse for him not to do anything) Make me suspicious of him However, his "kind" attitude and way he's posting make me wary. Like, the way he posts is very weird and would certainly call people's attention....but isn't it too obvious perhaps? Like, it seems he doesn't really care how people see him, which doesn't make me that confident in thinking he's scum. But meh, I'd appreciate people's thoughts on him About Milkton: This post seems fluffy as fuck, specially the 1st part. The "list of game I've played" is filler as well, it doesn't add anything else to the game Even after posting that he doesn't do anything later (is he still "busy" or something?) However it's his first fucking post so it's not like we can get a meaningful read out of it Well fuck, another wall of text  So....I'll try to keep things a little bit separate and post my actual "scum reads" in the next post (it's just S&B+austin+Keirathi anyways....yeah SPOILERS whatever). Anything else you find wrong in my case against you? Because cherrypicking THAT out of an entire case is pretty interesting. Looks to me like you're trying to discredit an entire case based upon one small point (and you turned out to be wrong so...) | ||
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On July 14 2012 05:15 marvellosity wrote: I'm just gonna splurge my thoughts a little as I go I find this somewhat hypocritical as s0lstice pushed Miltonkram in his big post after my case, and is now voting Risen himself Exactly. I'm 100% ok with a s0L lynch if people disagree with my case against viv. I really think Viv should be our lynch today, but I don't want a no lynch. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 14 2012 05:19 Vivax wrote: This pretty much sums up how you made your case. Your refutation of my case is amazing. Are people really buying this? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Vote Vivax now. Please. Look at my case, then look at his more recent posting. He's sketchy as shit and we're not liable to find someone else. Dropbear is NOT as scummy as Viv. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 14 2012 05:22 Keirathi wrote: I will if you will respond to what I said about you, particularly the part involving austin. What about it? I thought he was being scummy b/c who makes a case that big and concludes towny? After logical thinking on my part, this isn't a reason to vote for him. As I said when I originally posted I would be voting for him I was driving and mainly just skimming the thread on my phone. I also like how in order for you to actually do your job as a towny I have to respond to you. Really? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 14 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote: Torn on Keirathi. He's got some townie-looking posts, but they come only after he was pressured for being too neutral and guarded. Once he posts them, he's mostly checked out. Wishing there was more to work with here. (He posted as I was writing this, need to look back over) Vivax looks scummy in his hopping around, all the meta nometa crap. But Vivax ALWAYS looks scummy to me. I mislynched him in newbie XVI, I found him scummy in LVI (alignment unknown as of yet), and so I don't really want to vote him D1. To me, he's an easy mislynch to push if I'm scum. He's so wrapped up in this person's meta or that person's meta that the scum team should be telling him to knock it off, right? There were plenty of other options for today's lynch, we had so many scattered votes at the start of the day. So why let him keep hanging himself? Don't like it. marv and solstice, how are you seeing Vivax right now? Risen still doesn't look great either. He comes back with a full scum team, an alternate scum in Gonzaw, and finds my finding him townie scummy. No activity --> 5 scum reads, with only a little reasoning backing that up. And now he tunnels Vivax, who again I always seem to find scummy and could see myself trying to mislynch if I were scum. At the moment, I'm willing to consolidate onto Vivax or Risen if needed, but probably not Keirathi in light of his most recent response(s). For now, my vote's going on solstice. Something really bugs me about him finding my early game to match my townie play. Yes, the length is always there, but my early posts were a mess. Gonzaw's right about that, marv is right that they look off. I wasn't pressured at all really in my newbie games, barring XIII which was just an odd game to play in. I think my response to a little pressure here was way off, because while I normally post lengthy, it's not so disorganized and jumbled. Concerned that he didn't pick up on that. That little thing keeps nagging at me enough that I'm willing to vote him. ##Vote: Solstice Seriously? Strongest read: vivax (but apparently he's allllways scummy to austin), but imma vote s0Lstice. They don't write sitcoms this good, folks. | ||
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