Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 02 2012 21:54 prplhz wrote:
You really think there are 27 active players on this forum who are so far beyond your skill level that you shouldn't play with them? Hint: there aren't You're just making people like me reluctant to join when you think you're too bad for this game.

On July 06 2012 08:13 supersoft wrote:
uh I have to play in this one :-o

/in please :-]

On July 07 2012 07:07 gonzaw wrote:
I'm still struggling to find what kind of "orders" the CEO and stuff can send that actually have an impact in the game without outing any scum/townies.

"Harass player X" seems kind of vague, does it mean "go against him with all you can and get him lynched" or "attack him a little bit but don't let a wagon form against him, just put him under your aim"?


Damn, this will be a clusterfuck.
I guess scum can't order something like "Tell Player X "You are a ballet dancer!", that way when they see someone posting "You are a ballet dancer!" they identified their subordinates, right?

On July 10 2012 09:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Nice breadcrumb, guy.

lengten
leng-ten
leng ten

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leng
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_(number)

You're bread-crumbing that you're the Planeswalker from the Tenth Dimension. Bang. I just shot you Night 1, scummy.

On July 12 2012 07:51 Probulous wrote:


Someone gets it.

On July 12 2012 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
No paint pics. BH is scum.

On July 10 2012 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Worry not, VE! We will always be here for each other, best buddies.



As it is plainly visible, this is a drawing of the two of us high-fiving.

On July 15 2012 15:12 Protactinium wrote:
Okay the game will start 04:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow (sunday) night. Player list finalized barring anything major.

I'm sorry if you signed up and didn't get on the player list. All those who privately gave good reasons why they should be included got in.The rest were either taken from recommendations or prior experience. Unfortunately if we haven't seen you play/played with you it's rather hard to make a judgment call. Anyone who didn't get on the player list will be a replacement unless you wish otherwise.

Pretty sure I answered the hit question somewhere in here earlier.

On July 16 2012 20:16 Palmar wrote:
If it wasn't clear earlier.

I am proposing a Random Lynch for day 1. We have an unusually high chance of hitting mafia this game.

This is a randomized list of all the players in the game, it changes order every minute. Someone who isn't me can pick a time, if you want 100% security you can do it when I'm sleeping, then people screenshot the list at that time and we lynch the first guy on the list.

On July 16 2012 21:09 Palmar wrote:


The chances of each individual being lynched are very low. The chance of lynching mafia is 33%, which is probably not much worse than lynching mafia based on analysis, especially given that mafia doesn't know who their teammates are so it's impossible to try to analyse any links or interactions.

On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:
This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for.

On July 17 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote:
I don't really agree. I hold my vote all the time as town if I want to see a little more from that person.

On July 17 2012 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey Palmar, is marvellosity scum?

On July 17 2012 06:26 Kurumi wrote:

Like confirmed town... he did nothing. But okay, people will let you pass. For bullshit reasons like trapping a townie.

On July 17 2012 06:28 Kurumi wrote:

What the fuck? You were complaining I TROLLED in the last game and you're doing the same exact thing. Inconsistent much?

On July 17 2012 06:42 Kurumi wrote:

So you're going to play anti-town? Way to go man, way to go.

On July 17 2012 10:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
well shit things got interesting.

No one has commented on my rastaban case yet :/.

Also Chez edited: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=30#589

On July 17 2012 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote:


read again.

LAYABOUT IS SCUMMIER.

On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:

I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.

On July 17 2012 21:28 syllogism wrote:
What do you mean I fail to do something? Not only I had done more than the vast majority of players before "being called out", I've done things since that. In case it's not clear, I'm saying that foolishness isn't just wrong, but wrong in manner that is likely malicious; i.e. he is mafia. It is not "whining" at all. It's probably not optimal to lynch him today as I'm not entirely confident in my read as I may be somewhat biased due to knowing my alignment.

Look at what foolishness has done so far besides tunnelling me based on a very weak case. He keeps ignoring other subjects of interest until he is poked about them and the few reads he has shared besides me are even worse supported. He initially thought palmar was town for suggesting random lynch and when presented evidence that disproved that, he didn't really re-evaluate, but justified his "town read" by claiming palmar's average post length is how you determine whether he is town or mafia.

In liar game Foolishness correctly identified palmar as mafia, but not even once used that as even supporting evidence for his read in that game. Furthermore, look at what he says here


It doesn't even make sense; he says palmar posts are longer when he is mafia but then says as town his filter will be longer. I suppose the implication here is that town palmar posts are shorter but he is spammier, but palmar hasn't posted much yet in this game. Futhermore, why is he ignoring the content of palmar's posts and instead focuses on this laughable palmar "scum tell", which of course won't even be accurate in this game after he publicly announces that. He basically wants to give palmar a pass until day 3 and then use this laughable method to determine his alignment. The pattern in foolishness posting so far in this game is that his reasoning has been uncharacteristically weak.

On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle."

On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote:
The way I see it is in this setup, even if mafia has only 1 KP (and I would think 2 is more likely), 1 for 1 trades are good for them due to the sheer number of people they have.

On July 17 2012 01:56 HiroPro wrote:


Yes. I waited for BH to respond to Probulous/sandroba and he's acted scummy in his response.

On July 16 2012 22:12 HiroPro wrote:
What about BH? Is it that he's basically disregarded Probulous's questioning?

On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote:
I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial.

His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable.

##Vote Blazinghand

On July 17 2012 02:07 HiroPro wrote:


It's not my case -_-

But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them.

I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too.

On July 18 2012 00:28 HiroPro wrote:


Read my filter properly before saying dumb stuff like this.

On July 17 2012 11:42 HiroPro wrote:
Do you guys really think I have a nuke -_-

On July 17 2012 11:44 HiroPro wrote:
I thought the block thing was a joke....

On July 17 2012 11:46 HiroPro wrote:
I don't know lol. I thought that's what Chezinu did -_-

On July 17 2012 11:52 HiroPro wrote:
Well I thought it was possible that we all unknowingly had nukes. Cause it seemed kinda odd that the person who Kurumi nuked also happened to have a nuke.

But if there are actually people who are "blockers", then that seems wrong.

On July 18 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Bugs: Stop rolefishing.

Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why:

I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum.

Am I crazy here?

On July 18 2012 04:35 Mattchew wrote:
Katina's arguments with me also reminds me of when we argued in MTG theme (not actual MTG) Mafia, (Foolishness I would love for you to look at that game for a game where she posts more than twice a day and seemingly cares)

On July 18 2012 04:45 Mattchew wrote:

you think her responses to my case on her are good and townie?

On July 18 2012 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


so you never learned in mafia 101 that role does not equal alignment?

For the third time, you're scum.

On July 18 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:
Since you don't know each other's identities, you don't get much town cred from just voting a guy. But making up a role to trick scum into outing themselves, now there's some town cred. Normal bussing = less cred this game. So you've just figured out a creative way to bus to get yourself cred.

On July 18 2012 06:32 wherebugsgo wrote:

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I don't remember that, no. I'm kinda rereading that now.

If you're right then I might be wrong.

On July 18 2012 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote:

I don't remember much from LV but based on a skim of his filter there I do think that marv is right about that, that he was concerned with MZ + Kita + Toad being scum.

However I do strongly believe that Austin is a capable player and a capable scumhunter. In particular his question to Kurumi of "aren't you curious about what out-ed you?" is incredibly strange. He's treating Kurumi like scum, but instead of moving on and trying to find other scum he tries to get sandro to roleclaim. What difference does knowing sandro's role make in determining sandro's alignment?

I mean, there are 9 scum in this game. It's phenomenally easy to scumhunt just in terms of numbers, yet Austin's sole concern has been the balance of sandro's claimed role. In LV I don't remember him frothing at the mouth because he thought kita + MZ + toad were scum together.

That NSH post was me, I was looking at my past posts and forgot to log out.

On July 18 2012 06:59 slOosh wrote:
Still mulling over this austin business, because it doesn't make much sense from either alignment:

Because for scum austin to boldly go against what pseudo confirmed town sandroba, he would have to have some payoff - why bother bringing so much attention to yourself? The way he focuses on sandroba's claim does look like paranoid conspiracy theorist - I cohosted LV and if memory serves he was making really elaborate (read totally wacky) speculations.

Unless it was an order from a higher up (which is hard to swallow since it means someone else who knows more decided this plan of action was worth it), I'm seeing a paranoid town.

On July 18 2012 07:02 wherebugsgo wrote:


So what? Your first scum game was LV, wasn't it?

Acrofales's first game ever was GoT and he basically crushed town that game.

My first scum game was MLP and I didn't have a hard time playing mafia.

On July 18 2012 07:09 syllogism wrote:
If this was a normal setup his play would feel too audacious, but in this setup I'm not so sure as there is a lot of mafia and they are, especially at this stage, lone wolves and probably feel more free to push blatantly pro-mafia agenda. Moreover, this isn't the only problem I have with his play so far as he still hasn't posted anything that I would consider mafia hunting or given opinions on anyone at all, even though he promised some thoughts quite a while ago.

On July 18 2012 07:17 sandroba wrote:

He can't be both so either way you are wrong =P. Seriously now if you are going to argue something first form an useful opinion.

On July 18 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:


Well with an attitude like that, sure. No thoughts on my case at all

On July 18 2012 10:11 Blazinghand wrote:


No.... 4 hours until midnight CDT.

On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote:
Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys.

On July 18 2012 22:26 rastaban wrote:
Syll, how would could you even know that unless you have a dud as well?

On July 19 2012 01:17 Kurumi wrote:

I would kill myself if I could, trust me.

On July 18 2012 22:57 Kurumi wrote:
Okay. You still want me dead. Okay.
See you at the night post.

On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote:
God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened

On July 19 2012 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:
The most horrifying part of this game is that, in this amazing crapfest, only 9 players are actually supposed to be working against the town. Everyone else is supposed to be pro-town. How is it possible things are like this?

On July 19 2012 04:53 syllogism wrote:

Is this a joke? Can you link me to a post of hers you like? Did you read her last few posts, including her last post before the lynch?

On July 19 2012 04:59 Blazinghand wrote:


The constant claims of being unable to keep up with the thread seem to be the crux of the issue.

On July 19 2012 04:47 Zealos wrote:
Can we all stop making page after page of thread about why you feel the mislynched happened. It's making it a chore to read the thread. Thanks.

On July 19 2012 08:15 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway, we have a claim from Q that he got a message, sandroba sent one, wherebugsgo claims that he got one (I call shenanigans on this one) and I know I got another one too.
A little too much, right?

On July 19 2012 09:23 Probulous wrote:


She is right though. She was the first on Palmar (a weak case but her intentions were clear). No need to bring her down.

On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.

This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.

To continue with this theme we have posts like this:


Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.

Let’s look at the next two posts together:




Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.

After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:



He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.

Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:








The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.

This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.

tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.

On July 20 2012 00:35 Palmar wrote:
yeah but why?

All you've focused on so far is the amount of his posts, not the content.

On July 20 2012 00:42 HiroPro wrote:


Because he still has the same obsession that he has as town (aggressiveness not scum (unless it's against him in which case it is scum)), still has the same general use of meta with nothing specific to support most of his reads. While I don't really agree with the supersoft case, I think it was thought through well - he makes valid points about supersoft being less tunnely on reads and being very fluffy in his posts.

On July 20 2012 02:04 austinmcc wrote:

This should go to Mattchew as well. MZ actually helping, or trying to look like he's helping?

On July 20 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote:
Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case.

On July 19 2012 02:33 Foolishness wrote:
To VE: I always post a list of my reads right before night ends.

On July 20 2012 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:


This really irks me. Didn't you pay attention in grammar school? Or are you tooting your own horn.

On July 20 2012 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm a player who's notorious for posting very little, so I get how he'd think I'd do so.

On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote:

I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia.

On July 20 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:


IN PARTICULAR! I asked you SPECIFICALLY what you liked about his case! What parts of it did you find alignment indicative? What about it makes you think that you were wrong about MZ, that he's NOT pushing an easy lurky candidate and is NOT scum like you thought?

You're accusing me of being stupid and you're being MALICIOUSLY obtuse! DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING DESTROY THE THREAD MARV BECAUSE I'LL FUCKING DO IT

On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.

On July 20 2012 08:44 Probulous wrote:
Does anyone still think BH is mafia?

Cause for the life of me I can't believe that mafia would need a blocking ability if they have the only nuke. Given they only have six power roles, it would needlessly weaken them. We know town don't have a nuke because Kurumi is still alive.

On July 20 2012 09:12 Probulous wrote:
Ok since you guys are here, thoughts on QBertz?

Note to self: QBertz is acusing people of lurking whilst being useless himself.

On July 20 2012 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:


Why? WHY? ARGH this is like the third game you've said this in! I LOVE it! Like, yeah okay - it makes reading him harder. But I mean - so? That's the point of the game! I have my own strategy for making myself harder to read (trying to post the same way as Town/Scum and post A LOT)...why the hate for Chez' strategy?

And do you think he's scum? Or is that like, a Policy Lynch? Because your phrasing leaves that pretty ambiguous doesn't it?

On July 19 2012 03:11 sandroba wrote:
And BTW scum I already messaged one of you. If the person I messaged doesn't reveal he got messaged until the end of this night I'm gonna know he/she is scum for sure. GL figuring it out, I put great effort into it =)

On July 20 2012 10:06 Mattchew wrote:

so you don't want me to talk about the read or you think i should stop cause you think "im right, he's wrong"

On July 20 2012 13:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

VisceraEyes Attempt At Night-Kill Analysis

First, the reason I've done this: the mafia kill mechanic.



So, here's my theory: this night-kill holds significance because A) I haven't done this analysis yet and B) This night is the most likely that the CEO does not know who his minions are yet.

The information that the CEO has, as I understand it, is the names of his two Executives. And the information that the Executives have are the names of the minions.

But all mafia but the CEO must submit a name for the night-kill.

So this means 2 things. 1) that the night-kills will more likely have an actual reason other than "to throw town off" or "blue snipe" and 2) that the CEO gets information on who his minions are by who they want to kill.

Given all of this, my assumption is that Blazinghand is Mafia. First of all, just so we're clear, I do NOT have the ability to block nukes. Nothing stops a nuke. It's a nuke. I guess it's possible, but I very seriously doubt it for two reasons. 1) because RoL had a dud nuke. It never had a chance of exploding, ever. And 2) Because as Bugs commented earlier - if BH was town and had a block available, he would have blocked Kurumi's nuke the moment he found out that Kurumi was scum. Regardless of the fact that scum minions don't know who each other are, it is a net gain for town to prevent mafia from achieving their objectives. Period. Kurumi could have been under direct orders to fire that nuke for all we know.

So right now I'm looking at something like...

Kurumi, Zealos, Foolishness, Blazinghand

...if we're talking about my like...really heavy strong scum reads. Layabout is still up there, and here's something else I found that was interesting:




Which further makes me question my read on marvellosity to be honest. Starting to think marvellosity is scum too, because layabout goes unnoticed by marvellosity in spite of




...being the reason marv gave for agreeing with MZ's case. Considering marv's high regard for Bugs as a player, I'd expect a town marv to be all up on layabout after Bugs post on him. But Bugs must have been killed for a reason.



tl:dr -

• Blazinghand is Mafia
• I think marvellosity and layabout are suspicious based on my reread.
• I do not have a nuke-block.
• Skidoosh.

On July 18 2012 05:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
For anyone who is actually town and believes what Austin says, consider the following points:

1. Sandro's trick only works if you force a mafia to out themselves publicly.

2. Mafia can utilize commands that have absolutely nothing to do with public member identification.

3. A town player who has caught scum has the vested interest in outting that scum immediately in the case that he will die. In sandro's case this is immensely likely given that he is among the strongest scumhunters on the forum.

4. In accordance with the above 3 points the trick only works once.

On July 20 2012 19:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes I remember. And like Magic Mini, I'm just going to suck ass and disagree with you because I think the fact that he's not doing anything is scummy as shit.

On July 20 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Just received this PM:

On July 18 2012 09:17 Chezinu wrote:
VE, my first impression was to look up the OP for something I recalled. "However, there will be no word limit either. So there will be plenty of room to dictate strategy."

You see, minions can receive an enormous amounts of information. Can you find a pattern of illogical behavior among the members?

If I had minions... would I be rash and command them to do my impulsive bidding or would develop an epic long trilogy of the adventures of Chezinu Isunizehc renamed that contains complex and hard to follow strategies for my minions. I wonder what would be censored...

VE, you said that this would not take long.. maybe in terms of read all of their posts...

If I was mafia, would tell my minions to go for the no lynch and if that fails, I would tell them 3 targets that they could possibly kill. I would reiterate all the rules in the OP. To make sure everyone has read the rules. I would not take my pm's lightly. For PMs are Powerful..

I live you with food for thought and inconclusiveness in order to maintain my undercover identity...

On July 20 2012 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez sent me a message last night Marv. What do you make of that?

On July 20 2012 23:45 HiroPro wrote:


This is so wrong...

On July 20 2012 23:56 risk.nuke wrote:

Does anyone think this makes sense.

On July 21 2012 00:01 rastaban wrote:

Are you referring to him being scum (I don't think it is likely) or that me saying him messaging someone wouldn't confirm him?

On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:

Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.

Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.

On July 21 2012 02:43 Blazinghand wrote:


I don't like your attitude in this post. Shouldn't you be wanting to be as confirmed-townie as possible?

On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote:
yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower.
However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target.
But I still don't buy it.
He didn't shoot foolishness.

On July 24 2012 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior.

On July 24 2012 05:41 supersoft wrote:
i hope you're scum so I can lynch you later.

On July 24 2012 07:24 Mattchew wrote:




and look who wrote it!

On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:

Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive.

On July 24 2012 07:50 Bill Murray wrote:

everyone who has called me scum thusfar has flipped scum
1) my meta is obvious
2) if people ignore my meta they arent scumhunting properly
3) people not scumhunting are likely to be scum
therefore marvellosity is likely to be scum
he even admits to not reading the thread in this very post

On July 24 2012 07:55 Bill Murray wrote:

firstly, i have a beard - i don't fucking prance
secondly, you scumhunting my real life means you are failing to find anything in the thread to attack me on in terms of concepts

why are you trying to qualify yourself to me? looks like an admission of guilt
i will definitely 1:1 with you tomorrow; let's see who we decide to lynch ^^

On July 24 2012 07:59 Bill Murray wrote:

so you have no defense?

On July 24 2012 10:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Incentive to go read dear. Don't take it personally.

On July 24 2012 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can't think of any reason for a townie to feel 'demotivated' by anything after a half-cycle in which three scum die in quick succession.

But you know...that's just me. Maybe it's because I like the game so much.

On July 24 2012 10:32 Foolishness wrote:
Okay, tomorrow we lynch either sloosh or gonzaw.

On July 24 2012 10:31 Probulous wrote:


Marv, don't get drawn in. VE is being tricksy. We are in a good position (3 scum baby!) so we need to consolidate it. Given Palmar's flip can you take a look at MZ's filter fo me?

On July 24 2012 10:35 austinmcc wrote:
marv man, read foolishness's role PM. He gets to post in thread once per cycle as a ghost.

On July 24 2012 10:38 marvellosity wrote:


The terrible thing is that I did read his role PM about an hour ago :///

On July 24 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, as people are around and hopefully can answer me instead of shouting at me to read... I see plenty of people don't like slOosh's claim. If the claim is fake, what was its agenda in making it?

On July 24 2012 11:11 Probulous wrote:


My running theory is to distance himself as much as possible from his original Foolishness defense. Night 1 had no vigs so mafia assume there are no vigs, or they are delayed. Then when Foolishness flips they know someone will claim that shot, so they claim first. Remember this is a closed setup so we don't know if there are multiple vigs, his claims adds nothing to the discussion because we cannot verify it. All it does it give him a shot at town cred. Unfortunately for him, it was supersoft not someone like Zealos, who counter claimed.

The claim itself is my sticking point as well and anyway I look at it, I come up with a null. It doesn't say anything really. What does the rest of his filter say?

On July 24 2012 19:07 syllogism wrote:
Also we should kill layabout first as his actual behavior "today" was by far most damning.

On July 25 2012 00:50 rastaban wrote:

lol, it took 20 minutes to realize you slipped up with that post?