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On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch. | ||
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On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote: Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there. Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently. I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet. ##Vote: austinmcc | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:06 Mattchew wrote: why did you do this 3 minutes (aka knowingly) past deadline.. This seems very odd to me indeed. There's no way this would have helped, as it was too late, so it just seems like he's using it to improve his "towniness" | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:37 Chezinu wrote: Yeah, I've been talking about all day. I work for the department of communication. My name is Mr. Walton, a pleasure to meet you. I think you should be much more open about this. Secrets = Not town generally. | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:54 Blazinghand wrote: You're right, let's have more chezinu talking, that will make this thread easier to understand I want openness, not riddles. Atm it's like trying to talk to Mattchew when he kept talking in rhyme or whatever it was. | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote: Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi. And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy? Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:59 Blazinghand wrote: The constant claims of being unable to keep up with the thread seem to be the crux of the issue. Perhaps it is because he's playing 2 other games at once. I can at least sympathize with him. | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote: LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL Interesting. Because this seems to add to the thread. Apart from the fact you want me to feel insulted, perhaps attempting to irritate me to shit up the thread? Either way this seems like a red post to me :3 | ||
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On July 20 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote: GGQ I am very confident that GGQ is scum. His filter is not even one page long. (Actually 5 in-game posts.) "How can you say anything about the guy then, Kurumi?" Some of you have pointed out that Mafia's biggest objective is to survive. You can do it vanilla style - try to blend in during the discussion. You can do it lurker style - just avoid the fire and appear when everything's a little more silent... There's always false townie style, where you basically try to forget about your role and go with the flow while trying to keep in mind who's good target and who's not. As we've seen so far, being a lurker in this game is a GREAT option. We've been attacking each other like mad. If it wasn't an in-game attack, it was an attack on person her/himself. We've got a good player lurking like mad for no reason. It's already Day 2. If he was really occupied, guess what - he'd get replaced, just like two guys already, but he has no reason to ask for one. When I call him out that he is actively lurking(I am going to count how much it takes you to respond to this GGQ by the way) How does that answer sound to you? It's strict denial. He sees nothing wrong with his play. He feels no guilt. Why would he? There's a post by him in this quote too. He shares... a little of his knowledge... HE HAS PLAYED TWO DAMN SLEEPER CELL GAMES. Everything he has to tell us is that Mafia do whatever they please on Day 1. Solid advice here man. He tries to shift focus off from Palmar. He is defending him telling people that Palmar is just like that. That's what Palmar should've probably said, right? Look at how this post ends "has never changed him before and it won't now" it's a decisive NO. And this BH vote. He did explain it, right? TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? Sounds like someone doesn't freaking care about the lynch? Wait, he does care, look at the last line! Why would a person with no thread presence try to defend Palmar? GGQ has NEVER said anything about Palmar. Never EVER. If you were searching for a guy trying to survive - here you go. Why would you lurk as Town in this game? With 1KP, Mafia has little power to do anything to stop you from acting. Sure, they might have roleblockers, maybe politicians or anti-nukers, but it's the cases which should win games. Palmar and Bill Murray are playing similar style, where they mostly post one-liners or troll material. Palmar just now started pushing layabout hard (without proper case, just some meta to back it up). GGQ has a lot of knowledge. It is Day 2 and he hasn't shared ANY of it. He is denying us information. No cases made, no activity in the thread, NOTHING. He is trying for his survival. If he comes guns blazing at any point in the game... I think you'll get it that he's scum. I am voting GGQ. ##vote GGQ Surely all these points can be made against me. So what makes him any more scummy than me? | ||
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On July 20 2012 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: So I guess that's Zealos' post for today. No response, huh/ Whats my proper response to you saying "You're most scummy behind kumrai?" "No, you're wrong" | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote: Man this is fun. I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times. Wait, was I meant to reveal? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote: ROFL he stated it quite clearly that he wanted that person to claim they received the PM before the deadline You mean when he said he'd messaged a scum player? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:32 Probulous wrote: Yes he called you scum, but note the bold. He wasn't sure until you didn't answer. Based on the content of the message it made it sound like he knew I was town. I dunno, it didn't exactly seem to make any sense to reveal that I was messaged, but whatever, the logic is pretty dumb anyway. | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:38 VisceraEyes wrote: sigh That's clearly designed to look like a scum message Zeal. :/ wow. | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:44 Kurumi wrote: Did you miss that post or what? Well, herein lies to problem:X Sorry everyone, I really have just been super dumb this game. | ||
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Entrepeneurial employee (Vanilla town) | ||
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##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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As far as I can see, I'd like a BH lynch. It's almost as if he claimed scum earlier, as VE mentioned, On July 22 2012 04:35 Blazinghand wrote: I mean, if our thought is "sandro can't be trusted" I'd see why we're not lynching Zealos, but... we're also not lynching sandro? It just seems to me that between Sandro, Zealos, and Palmar we should totally be able to find a non-me lynch today and he's very happy to just push hard on the easy target so far. As for me - I'm not mafia, deal with it. | ||
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On July 22 2012 12:05 rastaban wrote: Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation. Lynch Zealos You mean because BH had a fakeclaim of vanilla town!?! What a shocking surprise. He wanted my role, so I have it to him. Even if I have been useless thus far, the evidence for me as a mafia player is pretty poor. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote: lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town. About sloosh/supersoft: I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target? If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go. Did you read the thread Katina? I already explained why I was posting like that on D1. Some of the things you say don't make sense, you accuse me of things (I didn't do) when you've done them yourself. Here: I didn't complain there was "much chaos"; I complained there was a lot to read and didn't have time to do it (albeit you could make the case "much to read"=="spam"=="chaos", but that's not what I was pointing out at the time). Also, the thing you accuse ME of doing is the EXACT SAME THING you have been doing this game: Every time ever since D1 you make a post getting angry about how much "chaos and confusion" there is in town, yet you are the one that does nothing about it. You just complained, yet the only thing you did was post useless lists about "people that need to die" that serve no purpose, and accuse people over and over and over. Every post of yours is just "we need to kill Foolishnesh" or "we need to kill BH". Yes, Katina is scum, the more I read her filter the more I'm convinced about it. When she's active she doesn't participate in any discussion. Every time she posts she's aggressive against someone, and restates reads she had long ago and doesn't add anything new. Katina keeps posting these lists of "people that need to die" that don't add anything new, specially since they are constantly changing and she doesn't really explain why she changes them at all. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote: bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point: supersoft wherebugsgo Bill Murray sandroba syllogism risk.nuke gonzaw Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying. On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote: It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary On July 22 2012 04:29 Katina wrote: Lynch those who are scummy. Don't worry about lynching the executives right now. We haven't killed one Mafia yet. Our focus needs to be on that right now. Not making speculations and picking someone we think "could be" a executive. I would imagine that all the minions have the powers anyway since executives have the authority to communicate messages. Wouldn't make sense for them to have anymore powers. We need to lynch into this group: Foolishness Palmar Mattchew Blazinghand Syllogism BM All these players are playing poorly this game and aren't playing according to their town Meta's in previous games. All these people are normally focused and organized when they scum hunt. (BM aside) There's gaurenteed Mafia in there, I'm certain of it. Again, don't worry about the executives. Just lynch Mafia, that's all that matters. There's too much worry about the messages being sent amongest the Mafia. As I have said before there is no way to know who's what on the chain of command. So it's pointless and a distraction to be worrying about this. On July 22 2012 09:33 Katina wrote: I doubt Palmar is an executive, he has been lazy this game. He has to make some big posts to keep suspicion off of him. He's most likely a minion but it really doesn't matter. The CEO is dead. All that is left is to pick the others off. Here's my list now after looking over some filters. Palmar Blazinghand Meapkak risk.nuke Layabout gonzaw Possibly Mattchew (I can't tell if he's scum or just playing really badly this game) She never explained why syllo and BM are not suddenly on her "to-kill" list, and every time she makes a "case" against someone new and adds them to the list, thinking that's the only thing she has to do to contribute and "prevent town chaos". I don't think a town Katina would act like this at all. She's just throwing suspicions around every time she posts ignoring everything else that's happening, which actually adds to the chaos she herself keeps "complaining" about in 80% of her posts. Pre-Edit: Really? Another list? About Palmar: I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason". I also Palmar is most likely town. Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086 Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086 In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on. I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum. About Zealos: He's scum as well. He hasn't contributed AT ALL ever since D2. His few posts ever since have just been "hi I'm not scum" and nothing else. Only two posts he made since then and they are completely useless He was outed by sandro on D2 as well, yet it seems everybody ignores that I'm down with a Katina, austin or Zealos lynch right now, I'm not too sure on supersoft (because of the claim) until we can confirm their claims. I'd like people's thoughts on Katina and austin before voting. Actually fuck it, here: ##Vote: Zealos If anybody is "confirmed scum" by now it's him. I'll change my vote to consolidate later on austin/Katina/etc if necessary I like your case on Katina, it makes sense, and I think that she would be a strong lynch today. I voted austin day1 as he seemed the most scummy at the time, and not a great deal has changed with him, so although I would be happy for him to die, I would much prefer a katina lynch. As for the case on me, its wrong, sorry to disappoint. :3 | ||
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On July 23 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote: i'm voting zealos. because of this: and this Which basically means he's guaranteed to be scum. ..... | ||
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On July 23 2012 20:30 Mattchew wrote: Riveting + Show Spoiler [......] + On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote: Day 3 Within the labyrinth of cubicles, offices, and badly lit corridors of the company headquarters, sandroba ran furiously through the massive, hopelessly convoluted building. In his hands, he clutched a thick sheaf of redacted spreadsheets, crooked financial records, and bribery lists, as well as some dirty photographs of the company's top executives enjoying a wild party with dozens of ladies of the night thrown in good measure. Now sandroba just had to find an honest mid-level executive to help him expose their corruption, bribery, and dirty dealing to the world. Unable to find working elevators anywhere in the building, sandroba raced up the stairs to the office of the Principal Operations Liaison. However, on the door to his office read a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the Corporate Communications Strategist on the 17th floor." Chagrined, sandroba dashed up to this man's office, only to behold a sign directing him to the Internal Security Coordinator on the 4th floor. Up and down the stairs he sprinted, getting more and more exhausted and out of breath. To his growing frustration and fatigue, each office pointed him toward the office of even more obscure executives, from the Senior Creative Director to the Customer Division Manager or the Chief Accountability Orchestrator. His heart pounded agonizingly, sweat poured out of his body, his head ached abominably, and his blood throbbed in his veins. Before long, the exertion of running from office to office up, down, across, and diagonally through the building became too much for him. At last, sandroba's over-strained heart gave out just as he arrived, gasping and blue of face, at the door of the Human Directives Analyst. Of course, this door, just like all the others, bore a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the District Data Designer on the 20th floor." Coming upon the corpse of sandroba, another harried and overworked employee cried out an outraged shout. He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job. With a swift movement, he shattered his coffee mug against a nearby table to make a jagged improvised weapon and charged up the stairs until he found the poshest, most luxurious office in the building. Screaming out again, this employee burst within and stabbed in bloodthirsty fashion at a stunned-looking Foolishness. Within a few minutes, the veil of red passed from before his eyes, but by then Foolishness was long dead. sandroba the Bossy Employee has been exhausted to death. Foolishness the CEO was stabbed to death with a broken coffee mug. + Show Spoiler [role PM] + Congratulations, you are Foolishness the CEO! Naturally, you are an evil, evil bureaucrat. You control a mighty company that is moving in to acquire Liquidia. Having already dominated the games queue thread with your dictatorial policies, you judge the time is ripe for assuming complete control. However, because you are too occupied scheming and ripping off customers, you only have time to issue orders to your two trusted directors (once every half cycle). You do, however, know the powers your company posseses amongst its minions. They are: [information redacted] Be warned: one of the above minions is a traitorous employee who wants to sell you out to your fiercest competitor and doesn't actually have a power. Sadly, you don't know his identity. On the other hand, just like a real evil dictator, you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput. Unfortunately, your subordinates don't know who you even are because you're too busy playing around on your luxury yacht. Luckily, you know them! Your subordinates are: [information redacted] Once every half cycle (day/night) you may choose to send a message to one of your subordinates (Chairman of the Board or VP of Marketing) Because you are the CEO, you have immense power. Any malovent night action on you fails (besides vigilante shot) and you are notified that someone attempted that action but not who. You also show up as a role of your choice to any detective type actions. You may choose from the following roles that might exist or make up your own! [information redacted] Lastly, your team will vote on a kill. During the day, the rest of the mafia will send in their kill choice to the mod. At the lynch we will present you with a list of names to choose the kill from.. If you die the Chairman of the Board takes over your job, then the vice president of marketing, and if he dies then the name which comes up the most from the remaining mafia members is the target. Once per game you may eschew the advice of your minions and simply choose the target yourself. If you live and one of your executives die, you will be given a name of their most trusted (living) minion. You may choose to promote said minion to the executive's position (and knowledge), if you choose to spend 1 full cycle without sending messages. Day 3 ends at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) (48 hours from now) on Monday, July 23. Well that literally means nothing. | ||
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With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance: On Zealos: + Show Spoiler + marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here? Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum. VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos. I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi. lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos. BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway. He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else" ^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos" Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch. | ||
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On July 25 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote: How is what you are doing different from what hiro is doing? Also, any reason why you doctored Sandroba's message when you posted it? Because I'm lurking. He's actively trying /not/ to lurk, while still being useless. And yes, obviously, in case he had any other reason to send me another message. | ||
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On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote: Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE ) Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum. Zealos - he is scum. Again he is uninvested in the game. He doctored sandroba's message to him in addition to not bringing it to the thread originally (I'm aware Kurumi flipped town, but it is definitely anti-town...). layabout brought up how Zealos played in Bang Bang. A decent filter comparison because he replaced into both games. It seems clear to me that Zealos was much more interested and invested in the course of that game (even if he did make questionable decisions). He was quite active and at least looking for some truth. Here his filter is defending himself poorly and very little else. What is Zealos trying to do? Also the case on Hiro is bad and smells of him making an effort because he feels he finally needs to. rastaban - not quite as sure with rastaban as I am with the two above, but I think he will flip scum. Earlier in the game, MZ's case was an accurate summation of rastaban's play. He was going wherever the lynch was easiest, taking the path of least resistance. Since the time of his case, he's pinged the other way in what reads to me as an artificial attempt at pushing new/interesting ideas. He magics a townread on Kurumi on the basis that Kurumi /outs a different game, and when the sentiment was anti-Foolish he buddies up to him Just the tone of how it's written feels fake. "Look! I'm being different! yay!" He also makes a bizarre case on layabout on the basis of wbg's nightkill. It was an entire case built on some wifom and fundamentally he seems to be thinking in a different way than I'd expect a townie to. Other bits and bobs: gonzaw: I seem to have a townread on him now having looked through his filter. His posts read as genuine and earnest to me. He's had a couple of dodgy reads which I'd love to say constituted an agenda, but he never pushed the misdirection of them, so I'm not seeing it. On Katina: her filter is interesting. My question to her some pages back re:syllogism was the question mark I took out of reading her filter earlier. I'm not quite sure how she can have a null read on syllo at the moment, syllo is too prominent for this to be the case. Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm. Come on Marv, you know my as mafia well enough to know being uninterested in the game isn't my mafia trait. Last time you caught me was after a day long argument after I fake claimed cop and was argumentative and emotional invested most of the time. Check out my old Newbie game for another example of this as scum. | ||
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On July 26 2012 06:35 gonzaw wrote: I think someone asked why would scum Zealos not out the "incriminate" part from sandro's message. ...well, for one I'd ask myself why scum Zealos wouldn't out the whole message in the first place, since he knew sandro made a similar trick with Kurumi and even said in the thread that he'd PM someone a message he wanted to out. But well, maybe he was indeed a minion who was never messaged before. Anyways, the point is that if he's town, and was indeed dumb enough to keep the message for some reason, he'd have no reason to out the whole message, even the "incriminating" part. If he was town he'd post it all, but he didn't. It makes perfect sense as "outed" scum at that point. He leaves out the incriminating part of the message so people don't think it was an "obvious scum message", and hopes sandro doesn't read it. Sandro already knew the message he sent him, so if he saw a thing similar to it that Zealos posted he'd know it was the message he sent, but it was possible he didn't strictly read the whole message trying to find inconsistencies (since he knew that message was his, he already knew the content). I think Zealos was counting on that: sandro not reading the whole message Zealos posted and not outing the "incriminating" part. Because the alternative, that Zealos is town and deliberately cut out that part and never mentioned it again, is EXTREMELY hard to believe, specially with Zealos' behaviour this whole game (i.e he doesn't seem to care about it). Wait, so the "incriminating" part was the bit about not trusting messages that don't start in a certain way? Are you stupid? What possible thing could I gain as scum from cutting a bit out? | ||
Zealos
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On July 26 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote: Zealos: There's also the very incriminating fact about the sandro' message that makes 0% sense if he was town, and he never mentioned again or even tried to explain why he cut the message. Here: That's all he has to say. Apparently he's so dumb he accidentally cutted of part of the message when he posted it. Well I don't believe that, the fact that he didn't explain at all why he did that is more damning, as also the fact that he doesn't try to do anything even after people have given him a 2nd chance ever since D2 So that's why I think we should lynch Zealos today: "There's a very good chance he's going to flip Mafia. Tomorrow we can worry about Meapak" We still have 24 hours or more, this isn't coming down to a "gonzaw vs Meapak" lynch just because syllo/supersoft says so. Oh. I see this now. You're stupid. My first assumption was that there was some weird network of communication for the town team, and that posting the whole thing would mean that mafia members could message me pretending to be town. I dunno. | ||
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