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On July 06 2012 08:26 Kurumi wrote: I'd play a game with lots of veterans.. but I'd be a liability, so obs qt for me when this starts | ||
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On July 10 2012 15:40 gonzaw wrote: Sorry, but you need to make some papers and get the signature of the majority of the players playing this game, plus all hosts/co-host with their approval of your spam policy before you are allowed to strike down spam. After that, you need to go over to mafiascum.net and other mafia sites, get into a meeting with their administrators to determine the current spam regulations applied universally to all mafia games. After that's done, you have to meet with the administrator of TL, give him the signed paper with all the signatures from players/hosts, and get him to sign a form indicating that they allow you to strike down spam in this site. After that, you need to go back and meet all other mafia sites' administrators, give them this signature and get them to sign a new form giving you permission to enforce their new spam policy in your games. After that's done, you need to come here again, wait 2 weeks for all proceedings to resolve, and meet with the TL administrator and get him to agree for you to use the spam policy on this particular game ("Bureaucracy Mafia"). After that's done, you need to meet in person with Foolishness and those other guys so they can agree on you enforcing the spam policy in a game that follows the Ban List. If they disagree, you need to go meet the TL administrator again and get him to overrule their disagreement so you can enforce the spam policy. If he's on vacation you need to meet with the administrators of the other mafia sites so they can overrule it; however you need to wait 1 month so they have their schedule free to do so. After this matter is resolved, then you are free to strike down spam once this game begins (following the universal rules of spam-strikedown of course) ........ ##Daykill: gonzaw | ||
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On July 12 2012 04:53 Incognito wrote: What are you talking about? This is a signup. That's what I took it as too. :/ ##Vote: Ver | ||
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e: I kid I kid, he gone. | ||
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On July 14 2012 01:05 Zealos wrote: /in Looks like I'll be back in time to play this - Looks awesome :D :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions? | ||
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What you think of others? Why this Palmar question dominate your focus? | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:02 marvellosity wrote: Cool! I also particularly like why you're lynching BH: Lurkers gonna lurk. I also fear the Q of GG. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:30 sandroba wrote: kurumi is scum 100%. LOL. Trust me on this one people. I KNOW HE IS SCUM. Go vote kurumi everyone. /:| | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:57 Chezinu wrote: If all of the minions random selected someone to kill at night, there would be a 1/6521 => 0.0153% that the CEO will have to kill a mafia member. The CEO must pick the person to kill. He won't kill the Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing. The minions don't know each other.. So, if everyone acts innocent... it will confuse the mafia? each minion may have an ability.. like busing or weapons of mass destruction... minions will not always follow orders.. They will not always receive orders... If town has abilities... chaos has arrived. Now, it is time to set order to the chaos... This smells like a mass-claim-plan introduction. Are you about to propose a mass-claim? Cause that would be AWESOME! | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. SAND DID YOU JUST OWN KURUMI?!!? I'm trying to consider the ramifications of what you just said, but....that looks like caught scum to me. | ||
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##Vote: Kurumi I'm going over and over what you just said trying to imagine Kurumi doing what he did as town...trying to make YOU SPECIFICALLY think that he's scum... I can't imagine. He's GOT to be scum right? | ||
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I'm not buying it sir. <3 tho. | ||
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Son, I am disappoint. | ||
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Nono. No. That was bad. BAD MARVEL! | ||
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Bad day honey? | ||
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Hence, I want to talk about you. | ||
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I know...I've evacuated the office in anticipation of his rage. :/ Don't worry though, they're all off the clock anyway since the whole "Kurumi Scandal" as it's becoming known. Probulous will you do me a favor and read over marvellosity's filter and tell me what you see? I'm noticing a distinct lack of "marv", but I want a second pair of eyes. | ||
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I'm trying to imagine the scenario...there are several things to consider. Firstly, we've never seen marvel as scum with no information. Like, would he act as he would as a townie? Would he act differently because he's scum regardless of not having more info? I have no idea, but his lack of concern is troubling. Do you think syllogism is scum? Your summary seemed to imply it but I want you to SAY it if you don't mind. | ||
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##Vote: marvellosity ...until I go read over laya and syllo. Right now I'm mostest confident on marvel though. | ||
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Easy huh? Because scum marvel wouldn't be concerned about a wily Foolishness thinking he's scummy, altering his play accordingly right marv? Not trying to get into it with you, but come on bro. That defense was weak as....something thats....really really weak. | ||
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I'm wondering what the posts you're referring to are here Probulous, because as Kurumi pointed out posting /= contributing. Is it just that he's agreeing with your lynch choice that you're seeing him as town at this point? Because again I have to emphasize that it's entirely probable that if marv is scum then he does not know who his teammates are. Please stop refusing to factor this in, as it's a huge part of this game. | ||
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If you're town then prove it - don't just try and turn town against me by infuriating me into hysteria. No one wants that. | ||
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There, happy? It was a gut read based on his lack of concern for the game - and him saying "I'm only going to respond to you once" does nothing to assuage my fucking suspicions...but whatever. I'll be back later with a case and vote. | ||
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Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why: I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum. Am I crazy here? Layabout has been consistently useless and that's not like layabout. I'm good with a layabout lynch today. Not syllo. Sandro is right, the case on syllo is weak...and I would be just as opposed to a Foolish or WBG or Sandro lynch based on a weak case. I can't tell what I think of Palmar yet, as his scumplay has taken a SHARP upturn from what we're used to. I need to see more of his intentions before I make a decision about his alignment. ##Vote: layabout | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:00 Kurumi wrote: I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT I CARE THAT PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR HEADS SURVIVE I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. | ||
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Try again, scum. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:11 Kurumi wrote: Latest Town RoL filter Now go to hell VE If you were town you'd do your research. But you aren't. Also, with this single post I've done more than you during entire game. Suck it. <3 I like troll Kurumi better. | ||
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Go away if all you're going to do is attempt to insult me because I can quite easily just tune you out my friend. | ||
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Be back. @Palmar - I'm not afraid of the nukes not finding home. If anyone publicly interferes there will likely be hell to pay, and if someone does it secretly, then the target will have hell to pay tomorrow probably. No big shakes. I like Kurumi for lynch if we're concerned about the nuke not killing him, but I'm not really concerned about that. Re: risk.nuke I haven't looked into this guy much, honestly I'd probably lump him in with layabout for as little as he has in the thread (at least that I can remember.) I'll look into him though, for sure. My list right now going back to look is Austin, risk.nuke and Blzinghand. I might be missing something everyone else is seeing in BH, so I'm looking into him myself. | ||
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##Vote: MZ For the TOWN! | ||
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Let's all do it, together! I'm up to the part where Palmar suggests a RL...riveting. On July 16 2012 20:16 Palmar wrote: edit: forgot the link: http://www.palmar.org/mafia/random.txt Like, it's bound for failure and he knows it too, but he suggests it anyway. Remember that? Good times. I'm wondering where QtheZ and Walton are during all this REALLY SERIOUS lynch discussion....as into this game as their roleplaying seems to indicate, they don't seem to be doing much to "rock the boat" for scum if that was their intention, and they're certainly not participating in the discussion of this stuff. Anyway, I digress. Back to reading. | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:25 Chezinu wrote: You just haven't gotten to the part where they agreed it is time to set order to the chaos... It was a really great story! I'M STILL READING!!!! SPOILERS!!!!! | ||
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I'm warming to the idea myself. I can only take so many times hearing "God guys! So many posts! I don't have time for this! I'll be back when I have more time!" I'm rereading Prob, you probably don't have time to join me but it's probably a good idea considering everything that's happened. I'm up to my dashing entrance into the fray. ^^ | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:52 Chezinu wrote: aww then I can't say than one is laying about lurking and the other is risking getting nuke... ok, I'm going to actually have to think for this one... (and read their posts for the first time?) Actually, your puns were appreciated. But yeah, I'd like you to read their posts and give me an opinion. Don't worry, won't take long. | ||
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I'm willing to consolidate but right now I feel he's the best choice because of how he acted early game with the kinda scumhunting (re: Chez) and then the silliness in trying to get Palmar to answer a question (re: you). | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:19 Foolishness wrote: Deciding where to move my vote to. This is chaotic guys. I opted out and decided to reread. It's fascinating, some of the strangest things are jumping out at me. Details at 11. | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote: you're on drugs if you think 13 more people are gonna vote gonzaw in the next few hours I can be swayed. Palmar seems interested. | ||
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Hmmmm..... *starts over* Yeah, I guess you're right. But if I tell two friends and if he tells two friends, that's like.... *counts again...even slower this time...* | ||
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But you know, potato potahto. | ||
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Foolishness, syllo seems to be your strongest read. Whatever happened to the Foolish that was like On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch ....trying to push his strongest read? Huh? Huh? Tell me that it's because you were communing with other scumhunters and your reads were stronger by way of discussion. TELL ME THAT SO I CAN GET REALLY ANGRY ABOUT YOU PLAYING LOL INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING YOUR READS WITH US YESTERDAY. No one's asking you to disassemble the scumteam again this game, but I for one was really looking forward to playing with you because of the above post from the last game I played with you (where I didn't die 17 seconds into the game...I'm never getting over that shit ). Play with us bro. Don't listen to people blaming you for a nolynch. | ||
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Should Kurumi meet his destiny tonight....if he doesn't, we have to lynch him obviously. -.- | ||
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And why are you complaining about people [REDACTED] [REDACTED] around with their votes when you weren't here to do anything about it yourself? :/ | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:30 syllogism wrote: We are lynching katina or foolishness :/ I was aware of your choices syllo. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote: Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3 Syllo this is one post I like from Katina. | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote: LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL Calm down dude. If it's that ludicrous then don't bother responding. Respond to all the "tons of evidence against you" instead if you want to respond to anything. | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:21 syllogism wrote: I liked it too, but by this point it's outweighed by all the bad, in particular her last few posts. This just screams lazy mafia She went from "knowing [foolishness] is mafia" to basically ignoring him. I mean - she's no shining beacon of towniness but she has opinions syllo. I don't understand what makes her a better candidate for you than others who seem to have no opinion. What are your thoughts on Bill Murray for instance? Or Zealos? Why Katina over | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:33 marvellosity wrote: so smooth, VE <3 Reserve judgement until near dawn. You might not like what I have to say about you. :X | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:41 marvellosity wrote: I'd lean on town-side of null on Palmar atm. That was....not the answer I expected. Congratulations. | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote: Also VE, I am extremely happy to discuss practically anything with you, I've just not got the energy to discuss you thinking I'm scum. Well to be frank I wasn't really willing to discuss that either. YOU KNOW ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. What about gonzaw then? His catchup post is....gosh, it's phenomenal and it has me doubting my read on him. | ||
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gonzaw, I don't want to hear you complain one single solitary more time how big and intimidating the thread is. Your posts are often massive and a chore to read, so you coming in here complaining about how much you have to read is borderline insulting. Get over it. You knew how many games you were in, be a big boy and contribute if you want to live. Or don't and face the rope. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:22 austinmcc wrote: Anyone else really liking this idea, or some form of it? For all the talk about how votes were swapped/the deadline sucked/no lynches suck, I think this was really the only suggestion that proposed a decent way of dealing with those problems. It's not perfect, but I feel like it's certainly better than all the swapping last night, and despite Foolishness's admonitions about vote swapping leading to no-lynches, we've got so many different reads being thrown around that the thread is clogged with options and I don't really see us doing a great job consolidating through that early on future days. Maybe the deadline change helps with a few players, but as long as we enforce it, does anyone think that shaving off...maybe even 8 hours from the day cycle is going to lead us to a much worse lynch than a full 48 hours' discussion? There's no way to enforce it as policy - I was talking about everyone having their own individual targets/subtargets by that time...which honestly most people did...it's just that the first day of the game was so chaotic with everything that was going on that there was no actual discussion about why we had the targets we did until really close to the lynch time...which seems to happen quite a bit around here anyway. Austin you've come under some pretty heavy fire for some of your views on Sandroba. Do you have any reason to think that Sandroba is scum besides the fact that he's proven ballsy as scum and setup speculation? I have to say that I find Sand's posts to sound very town, and to be honest I think you're wearing my hat. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Okay, several things: I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost: And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message. Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive. Do me do me! ^^ Honestly, if Chez sent that to you then I want up in that piece. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:34 sandroba wrote: WBG is not the person I messaged. Okay so a redirect? Is that the message you sent? | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually I had considered that. I didn't ask you to use it, simply if you were going to. MZ if you had a gun right now, who would you shoot? | ||
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MZ That read pretty bad. The point of the question was to provoke thought - the fact that you answered immediately seems to indicate that you were eager to provide a "correct" answer that you knew...but then after the implication of the question dawned on you you backtracked and gave a wishywashy answer. Eh....eeehhhhhhh..... | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Who cares? Vigis should shoot scum, and anyone that's confirmed scum should die immediately. This is a closed setup, speculating about whether the nuke use is one shot or not is pointless. We don't know and we can't know. Telling vigis to shoot elsewhere is a recipe for a townie getting shot. This. We fucked up by assuming RoL's nuke was real and not lynching scum yesterday. We rectify that tonight if we can so we can lynch someone else tomorrow. On the surface I was almost swayed Q's (is it Quatol?) logic, but no I think Bugs is right in this case. He's proven he has KP and that he's willing to use it like a fucking idiot. If we have a vig, they should be killing Kurumi THIS night imo. We have a good start for tomorrow if he's out of the way...and if he's not then we HAVE to lynch him. | ||
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2. Lurking game you not playing in in spite of not having time to play them. Got it. <3 | ||
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The Ravings of a Supressed VisceraEyes Kurumi, layabout, Zealos, Foolishness, Meapak_Ziphh, syllogism In order from who should be dead to who I'd be least comfortable lynching. Kurumi is as good as dead, so I'm not gonna say much. He's our best lynch tomorrow if he lives the night. I will say however that given his new lease on life, he's not doing much in the way of scum hunting and appears more interested in discrediting those who are and sowing doubt. layabout is still doing very little. He's subdued and not actively engaging people as I'd expect him to do. His comeback post + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote: Not game relevant: I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution. In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try. After i die i will bugger off. I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo. Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town. ##vote gonzaw I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint. Reads mostly like an Appeal to Emotion. Like…why not /out of the game if "something snapped last game"? Rather than stay /in to the game and do fuck-all? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Also he says that he's voting for Gonzaw because "He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint" but fails to elaborate on how or why other than "I'm not sure how he can think that both Foolishness and syllogism are scum"…which is funny because at this point that's where I'm at too. Zealos is playing very much like he did in MTG (I think?). I thought he was scum then for many of the same things I'm witnessing this game: lurking, not contributing, not caring about the lynch. I'd really like some of his thoughts in general, but he seems pigeonholed into posting about what's happening currently…which in my experience is a scum-tell (damage-control, attempting to look contributory, etc.) Also he appeals to emotion here: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote: Well this is a fun game to play :3 Nothing major or concrete - just my read. Foolishness is on my radar. He's not really contributing much. He's sitting back and casting doubt on anyone who's suspicious of him. It reminds me heavily of the play of BC in Storm. He's not a credible lynch for tomorrow, but keep eyes on the Foolish one. syllogism is pinging my scumdar mainly because of his read on Palmar. I've got a pretty hefty town-read on Palmar, mainly based on his reads. However, the fact that syllo has a scum read on one of my town reads isn't really the core of the issue. The core is the fact that it's SYLLOGISM and he's basing his read on TONE AND ATTITUDE. Syllo is logical to a fault (look at his fucking name!) He says that in spite of agreeing with a lot of the content Palmar puts out, he thinks he's scum based on tone and attitude. Further, he doesn't even really say WHAT ABOUT Palmar's attitude/tone is indicative of scum. MZ is scummy. Isn't contributing much and is conveniently absent for the lynch (iirc...I might be wrong as I wasn't here for the latter part.) My weakest read but one of Palmar's strongest...which warrants his name being in red since we agree at least. | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:25 Probulous wrote: @VisceraEyes Are you ignoring me? Come on son, you can't post a wall of text and then disappear. People will think you are mafia. Can't a guy compose a post in peace? Cheese and rice. Gimme a sec! | ||
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So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. | ||
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In short, no...the fact that MZ put forth a case does not change my read on him. The quality/relevance of his case might, but the fact alone does not. | ||
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My read of MZ is not affected by his case marv. I looked at his case and most of it looked thrown together...for instance, he calls out rasta for "setup speculation" but considering he came in a little later than most, it doesn't seem fair to call him scum for weighing in on this stuff...just because it doesn't matter to MZ doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anyone else. And he doesn't even like...go on and on about it either, just succinctly gives his opinions. MZ, what was the purpose of your case on rastaban? Do you think he has a high probability of flipping Executive? | ||
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Sorry about the triple post, I'm typing fast so my boss don't see >.> <.< | ||
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What in particular did you agree with in MZ's case marv? | ||
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Son, I am disappoint. | ||
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On July 20 2012 05:46 marvellosity wrote: Are you purposefully being stupid? :/ /ignored | ||
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On July 20 2012 06:00 marvellosity wrote: good. you ask what i particularly like the case. I quote the part where I said what I particularly liked about the case and why, and you post some drivel. If that's the level of cognitive thought you're capable of this game then ignore away. IN PARTICULAR! I asked you SPECIFICALLY what you liked about his case! What parts of it did you find alignment indicative? What about it makes you think that you were wrong about MZ, that he's NOT pushing an easy lurky candidate and is NOT scum like you thought? You're accusing me of being stupid and you're being MALICIOUSLY obtuse! DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING DESTROY THE THREAD MARV BECAUSE I'LL FUCKING DO IT | ||
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This doesn't sound like you're "perfectly happy to discuss anything with me" marv. This sounds like you're annoyed at even having to respond to my question IN SPITE OF YOU SEEKING OUT MY OPINION. No, I'm done with you. DONE marv. | ||
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On July 20 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote: ok let's not ruin the thread. what about my quote didn't you understand? 1) I said the part I particularly liked was where MZ said rastaban was always going with the flow and never dissenting 2) I said that is what I viewed as classic mafia mindset in this setup 3) MZ brought this to the thread where it had not been shown before I don't understand what you think is missing from this explanation "Let's not ruin the thread...but here's more bullshit to respond to." No, we're done here marv. ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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On July 20 2012 06:12 marvellosity wrote: or you just won't answer for reasons I can't comprehend. you're a very very strange person. Because you called me stupid for no reason. I'm stepping away so I don't lose my shit. Now stop instigating. | ||
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D3 Lynch IMO IMO Foolishness syllogism GGQ I vastly prefer Foolishness, as I feel he has the highest probability of flipping scum AND some sort of Executive. syllogism is like...syllogism. He's capable of looking town (to me) regardless of alignment. People like Palmar who know his mind better than me are able to read him better. And if he's scum, you'd better believe he's an Executive. GGQ is starting to look like a good lynch too, and him being in two previous Sleeper-Cell games lends credibility to the idea that he could have some sort of Executive role this game. However based on pure skill and experience, I much prefer a Foolishness lynch if we're aiming for the higher-ups tomorrow. I think that's the best play because A) it will greatly cripple the mafia communication structure (in theory) and B) due to the Executives having the most information of the scums, they should be the easiest to find via standard, universally accepted means of scumhunting (association, VCA, etc.), again, in theory. I don't think MZ is playing like he rolled executive. I think he'd be playing more passively as an Executive, the way Foolish is. He's definitely good enough, but I just don't think that's what's going on here. If we lynch Foolish D3 and he flips town, my D4 lynch list will probably look very different. | ||
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Sand if you're scum this game....SAND IF YOU'RE EFFING SCUM BRO | ||
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Chances are Zealos is a minion, right? In all probability. So...do we go for the PRs in practically confirmed scum tomorrow or do we proceed with Operation: CEObliterate? | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:47 supersoft wrote: syllo, sandro opinion: zealos first because kurumi seems to have no powers today? | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 04 2012 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Will those at the top of the scum hierarchy know the powers of those at the bottom?[/QUOTE] They will know what exists, not who has what. | ||
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On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote: They will know what exists, not who has what. | ||
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Also he doesn't appear to be doing anything to look for scum. It's possible he is and just hasn't shared or whatever...but that seems pretty anti-productive in this setup. EVERYONE has a vested interest in establishing their innocence. I don't like it. Think it stinks. I think he might be scuuuum. | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:18 marvellosity wrote: Your note is good enough. I have a hatred for people who post like that anyway. If I were offered right now for him to be dead or alive, I'd choose dead. Why? WHY? ARGH this is like the third game you've said this in! I LOVE it! Like, yeah okay - it makes reading him harder. But I mean - so? That's the point of the game! I have my own strategy for making myself harder to read (trying to post the same way as Town/Scum and post A LOT)...why the hate for Chez' strategy? And do you think he's scum? Or is that like, a Policy Lynch? Because your phrasing leaves that pretty ambiguous doesn't it? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:37 Zealos wrote: Right now people are starting to talk about you, but I suspect that if you put in a little bit of time soon they will forget. Town has a lot to go through in terms of lynch, so if you shape up even a little bit I'm sure they will soon forget. If you have any useful abilities from your role please try to crumb it subtly during the next day so in the next message I can suggest you how to use it. Hopefully this communication problem will be gone by tomorrow. sigh That's clearly designed to look like a scum message Zeal. :/ | ||
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WAH WAH WAAAAAH | ||
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Unless you're scum, then keep the hits coming bro. | ||
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Not working. YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?!!? | ||
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Also, your whole accusation is contradictory now...you said he's "putting in a lot of effort" and now you say "sounds like lazy scum". Have you fooled me to now BH? ARE you scum like people keep saying? | ||
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On July 20 2012 11:10 Katina wrote: This thread is so messy it's not even funny. Here's what needs to happen: Keep your votes on Kurumi. We are not going to spend the last day bringing up new candidates (Like Zealos) and throw the thread into complete chaos again then end up with another no lynch. There's hard evidence on Kurumi right now, let's not forget that. We will see what his flip is then go from therw. When D3 hits THEN will we start voting for other people who are Mafia. (Mattchew, Palmar, Foolishness, Blazinghand, etc) There has been roughly ten pages since I looked at the thread this morning and all the content in those pages say close to nothing about anything. It's all a bunch of derp and twerp that is continuing to keep the thread horrible cluttered and disorganized. I'm surprised to see that the veteran players (who are usually good at keep direction for the town) are sitting around doing nothing or contributing to the chaos as well. If this continues then this game will be fast and resulting in a for sure Mafia victory. There's "hard evidence" on Zeal too sweetie, read those 10 pages before reprimanding us. The question of whether we lynch Zeal or Kurumi isn't an arbitrary one, if they're both scum (likely) then it becomes a question of whether it's prudent to kill the one who might still have a power or kill the one who lived when he should have died. I tend to agree that Kurumi needs to die first, but I don't fault anyone for thinking Zeal is a better target at this point...who knows what other powers scum have? | ||
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TBH if we're switching I'd want to switch to Foolishness anyway. Skidoosh? So....I'm gonna go read WBG's posts right now. I want someone else to do the same. Anyone can, but I'm doing it too. Hypothesis: WBG was killed for a reason. | ||
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I missed this post. <3 I was literally talking about myself. | ||
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VisceraEyes Attempt At Night-Kill Analysis First, the reason I've done this: the mafia kill mechanic. On July 02 2012 16:07 Protactinium wrote: Extra Information: The mafia kill process goes like this: Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. So, here's my theory: this night-kill holds significance because A) I haven't done this analysis yet and B) This night is the most likely that the CEO does not know who his minions are yet. The information that the CEO has, as I understand it, is the names of his two Executives. And the information that the Executives have are the names of the minions. But all mafia but the CEO must submit a name for the night-kill. So this means 2 things. 1) that the night-kills will more likely have an actual reason other than "to throw town off" or "blue snipe" and 2) that the CEO gets information on who his minions are by who they want to kill. Given all of this, my assumption is that Blazinghand is Mafia. First of all, just so we're clear, I do NOT have the ability to block nukes. Nothing stops a nuke. It's a nuke. I guess it's possible, but I very seriously doubt it for two reasons. 1) because RoL had a dud nuke. It never had a chance of exploding, ever. And 2) Because as Bugs commented earlier - if BH was town and had a block available, he would have blocked Kurumi's nuke the moment he found out that Kurumi was scum. Regardless of the fact that scum minions don't know who each other are, it is a net gain for town to prevent mafia from achieving their objectives. Period. Kurumi could have been under direct orders to fire that nuke for all we know. So right now I'm looking at something like... Kurumi, Zealos, Foolishness, Blazinghand ...if we're talking about my like...really heavy strong scum reads. Layabout is still up there, and here's something else I found that was interesting: On July 17 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote: <3 I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question. I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them. Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e. Let's focus on one player first: Shit that makes layabout scummy: Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798 He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town. In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon. i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic. Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day. Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly. ##unvote ##vote layabout Which further makes me question my read on marvellosity to be honest. Starting to think marvellosity is scum too, because layabout goes unnoticed by marvellosity in spite of On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote: I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia. ...being the reason marv gave for agreeing with MZ's case. Considering marv's high regard for Bugs as a player, I'd expect a town marv to be all up on layabout after Bugs post on him. But Bugs must have been killed for a reason. tl:dr -
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We're still buds. 4 lyfe. I just think you're on a different team this game. *shrug* | ||
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On July 20 2012 14:03 Blazinghand wrote: So you're saying I have 4 IRL days before it's optimal to push me in which to find someone scummier than me! IM ON IT Good luck guy - that last bit with Zealos really pushed you up there for me BEFORE I reread Bugs. Your task is monumental - know that no mere lurker is going to suffice. | ||
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And Chezinu is trying to draw out the other one to see if BH is what he claims, a DAY NUKE BLOCKER! ^^ | ||
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...... .... Are you saying sandro is scum Chez? | ||
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WAIT. | ||
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Because if you flip, Sandroba is outted. | ||
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Bugs thinks Foolish. I'm TOTALLY down to lynch Foolish. Who else do YOU think it could be? They're using YOUR name sir. | ||
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I know guy, you're doing a fine job...I just have to remind myself that I think you're scum so I don't forget. <3 | ||
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Maybe I'll go play Minecraft instead...gonna repost my analysis on 105 guys, don't get mad. Just trying to keep it from getting buried. | ||
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On July 20 2012 16:56 Q-bert-Z wrote: As far as suspects, I can say before I sleep that Foolishness's play strikes me as...hidden. I feel like he's got a lot more going on than he's saying all at once, and that more or less agrees with what I know of him from his town play. Definetly not his lurk till day three then rape, but it doesn't strike me as scum. Either way not conclusive, and all around a bad lynch. GGQ still reads scum to me, though there really hasn't been much change to what he's done since I last mentioned that. Blazinghand looks like scum, with the exception of the amount of effort that he's putting into posting. (even if a lot of it isn't helpful) If I were around tomorrow, I would push GGQ, but I'm not going to be. I agree with most of what has been said about Layabout and Zealos, and would vote for them if GGQ wasn't an option. Explain. | ||
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Yeah, hope Paps is doin okay Q. :/ | ||
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As if we aren't like over a game-week away from LYLO at the present rate. As if we have mislynched even once this game. As if we have ANYTHING to fear in lynching Kurumi today all things considered. Bill I'd like you to elaborate on your read of me please. It will help town get a better read on you, if you won't do it for me because "I'm scum" or something asinine. | ||
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Kill sand if you want to know the truth... there be some communicahtions that are goingz about... these messages takes a lots of the times to get to where they be the be going... so you beetter bees the living when you the gets this! or your gonna have to the protect the Director of the Communication! Is the message I received. I received it shortly after guessing that Chez is a message sender and he confirmed sending it to me. Here's what I think should happen. IMO Sandroba should send me a message to confirm that he can (can we agree that it's probable that scum aren't going to "fall" for his shenannies anymore if he's town?). If Sandroba is unable to send me a message, then he's an Executive and has been bussing his department. If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this? | ||
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I'd like everyone's thoughts plz. | ||
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On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this. You're pretty loose with your interpretation of the rules MZ. :/ | ||
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Can I maybe completely flip my reads if I want? I mean, that's allowed right? I'm gonna go read some stuff and I'll be back. Kurumi, you're best bet for lynch bud but please don't lose your shit. I've been paying extra special close attention to your posts and IF you flip town, they won't be ignored I promise. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:58 syllogism wrote: You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all. Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup. If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now. Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game? | ||
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Okay I'm willing to wait on Sandro. I really wish he'd confirm that he can send messages to townies though, because his aim is bordering on too phenomenal to be earnest. | ||
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Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. | ||
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The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from. And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?! | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:54 sandroba wrote: For today killing kurumi is fine. Starting tomorrow we begin a chase for the executives: Win Conditions: Town wins when all the Mafia are dead Mafia wins when all the town are dead. As long as the higher ups are still alive this game is horribly imbalanced in favor of mafia. But IF we can kill them off soon all communication will be lost and this will be a long drawn out game where mafia and town both have to eliminate each other completely to win. So that should be our goal for the following days. On July 21 2012 03:37 sandroba wrote: I picked someone I thought was mafia, I thought was minion and I believed there was a fair chance didn't get messaged already. Zealos seemed to be an optimal choice. You can't lynch Execs unless you find them. Sandroba's reasoning for choosing Zealos is contradictory to his stated aims for tomorrow. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:31 syllogism wrote: Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp). Oh, in a game that could last for 2 game weeks, you're thinking there's protection against night-kills. That's cute syllo. | ||
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Guys, this is getting easier and easier. | ||
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[/spoiler]We have a third messaging role that can target townies as well, but THAT messaging role hasn't claimed (to my knowledge) leading me to believe that IT is held by scum. This is NOT a fact, only specution.[/spoiler] Based on what I know, and given my absolute belief in Operation: CEObliterate... ##Vote: sandroba For the record, I want to believe he's town...but his reaction to my request and the facts logically point to him being scum (from my perspective). | ||
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And Austinmcc isn't bad. He's paranoid, and now I am too. | ||
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Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo. | ||
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That's a true statement syllo, but it doesn't mean that he's not scum unfortunately. It only means that he hasn't yet reached his limit. :/ Anyway, Kurumi flipping scum is wrapped up in my theory, so unless some kind of miracle vote-switch happens WITHOUT my pushing it ##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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It's how you can tell I'm a townie...but don't tell anyone. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:28 supersoft wrote: No no VE has a better idea to test sandrobas ability. He just lynchs him and reads the role-PM. Much safer and you dont have to use your brain. My idea was for Sand to message ME if he could, but he absolutely refused. That doesn't even make any sense considering scum, in theory, aren't going to keep falling for this shit...but whatever. I'm the stupid one. | ||
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For shame. And to think, you were on the list of potentials for promotion. *tsktsk* | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:19 rastaban wrote: But he has to hit minions, scum already has a code in place to verify the messages. so he has to hit people not contacted yet. I agree Kurumi as a personality was a bad choice as he would go along with it, but as a tactical choice it was the best as it wouldn't be an exec as it had used a power in a questionable way. This is an interesting development. Anyone wanna verify what I'm seeing here? | ||
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On July 02 2012 16:07 Protactinium wrote: Extra Information: The mafia kill process goes like this: Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: This is an interesting development. Anyone wanna verify what I'm seeing here? Guys this is relevant. Read the bolded statement in the quote please - it's important. Rastaban just scumslipped heavily. HEAVILY. | ||
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You're not getting that promotion either, sir. | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote: Okay, really? Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty. I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing. Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely. | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:39 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I think it's pretty clear what's gonna happen. Either Kurumi flips scum and we lynch zealos tomorrow, or Kurumi flips town and we lynch Sandro tomorrow. I don't see how it could possibly be optimal to lynch me tomorrow. WHY?! WHY WHEN I COME UP WITH THIS CRAZY SHIT DOES NOONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING WRONG RATHER THAN JUST CALL ME CRAZY OR STUPID OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH?! I'm not stupid guys, but obviously I'm missing something if I'm completely wrong here...I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. Something in my thought-process is wrong, because the way it looks to me, Sandroba is like OBVIOUSLY scum. So what is it?! WHY am I being ridiculous thinking that Sand is scum? Wait wait. Wait. Chezinu is pretty much claiming "Director of Communication". DIRECTOR of Communication. So his boss would naturally be "Chairman of the Board [of Directors]". EZPZ. I'll see you guys bright and early in the morning. First one here might just get a prize! | ||
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"Sandroba is my master. I am humbled and in awe by his mere presence. I also am very stupid for spreading nonsense in the thread. I should definitively be playing better this game, but hey, maybe I'm scum." That's all I asked, was that so hard? For what it's worth, I think I'm playing pretty well. NO one thinks I'm scum, which is awesome regardless of my alignment. But yeah, Sand is able to send messages to townies. Nothing to see here guys. | ||
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This game I agree with many of her reads, and I haven't heard her excuse her absence or complain about how many pages there are or other typical hallmarks of scum trying to sound townie. Ultimately, in the context of the question I'd say that she's a different alignment this game. | ||
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On July 21 2012 09:18 Probulous wrote: I have no grapes but I do have silverware. Is the kitty soft? :p Probulous...my friend. You're my friend aren't you? Please take this small token of friendship. It is but a trifle, but it was mine and now it is yours. | ||
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I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow. | ||
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No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you. | ||
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Think that's good for town? Or would I be playing too IRRATIONALLY AND STUPIDLY if I did something like that? | ||
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On July 21 2012 09:35 Foolishness wrote: That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives? That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?). You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that. Sorry, I stopped giving a shit about this game. But hey! At least we have something in common now right?! | ||
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On July 21 2012 09:43 Foolishness wrote: I didn't mean to piss you off or be that mean when I posted that. You're one of the few people that are making sense this game; don't stab yourself now. ITP Foolishness says I'm making sense when I say I want to lynch him. For further updates, tune your AM dial to 1337. | ||
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To be honest I never read your case because I'm sure you're scum...if I decide to do anything with this game overnight I'll take a look. My reads are well known - don't expect shit in the way of a "Final Will" post. I've spent too long reading and rereading and filtering this game to be told I'm stupid and irrational and be expected to continue doing what I'm doing. Seriously, people bitch about people not reading and then people bitch about conclusions people draw when they read. People bitch about the spam, and people bitch about people not posting enough. People bitch about others expecting too much of them and people bitch about not being included in the "chosen few". YOU'RE ALL BITCHES! [/rant] | ||
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2. Sloosh 5. HiroPro 6. Foolishness 8. Bill Murray 9. Gonzaw 10. Meapak_Ziphh 11. Supersoft 12. austinmcc 15. syllogism 16. GGQ 17. Blazinghand 20. rastaban 21. Mattchew 23. risk.nuke 26. Palmas 27. Zealos Chezinu removed marvellosity from this list. He didn't copy/paste it at all. Chezinu is lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Chezinu, what good is copy-pasting the list AFTER your reads? Any of you, marvellosity or Probulous from my perspective regardless of my read of any of you...so why would I copy/paste the list after you removed your reads? Yes, you will be defeated. But you're a lowly underling. You have powers. Tell me who you work for madman! | ||
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On July 21 2012 15:36 slOosh wrote: Does Chezinu actually have confirmed powers or not? I've started off ok ignoring him but he has begun to seriously hamper thread legibility. I confirm recieving a message. He confirmed receiving it as Chezinu does...not explicitly. I've now received messages from both Sandroba and Chezinu. Let me meditate for a bit. | ||
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On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote: Weren't you just trying to tell us sandroba was scum? AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town. Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro. BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug* He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me? | ||
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On July 22 2012 02:41 supersoft wrote: 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 7. VisceraEyes 16. GGQ 15. syllogism at least 2 of them are guaranteed scum, otherwise the setup makes no sense balancewise. What does this list even mean? I don't belong on a list with Foolishness. | ||
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On July 22 2012 02:20 Palmar wrote: I haven't caught up since last night. Did Chez ever claim messenger role? The way Chez does, yes. And he sent me a message so... | ||
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Look we should have a direction. Palmar you haven't weighed in on whether we should be aiming for Executives or minions...wanna give your opinion? This will help us pick from the vast number of scummy candidates that need to be lynched. | ||
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All right, that's BH in my opinion, Foolish is right. | ||
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On July 22 2012 04:35 Blazinghand wrote: I mean, if our thought is "sandro can't be trusted" I'd see why we're not lynching Zealos, but... we're also not lynching sandro? It just seems to me that between Sandro, Zealos, and Palmar we should totally be able to find a non-me lynch today This is the SECOND scum who didn't understand what happened to my read of Sandro. Guys you'd be SO much better off if you read the thread - I mean logically, if you're better off reading the thread as town you're better off reading the thread as scum right? LOL | ||
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Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar (though at present I don't want to lynch him) and...what, has Chezinu reached that threshold yet? That's our lynch docket tomorrow: Foolishness, Blazinghand, Palmar, Chezinu Because we need focus. | ||
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Did I say that at all? I said you're widely regarded as scum, not that anyone made a case against you. Just making observations bro...if you want off that list then change peoples' opinions of you. *shrug* | ||
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On July 22 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote: AS usual, not reading the thread. It all revolved around my paranoid belief that sandroba was bussing his teammates and was an executive. This was disproven A) by him messaging me and B) by Kurumi flipping town. Keep up Foolish, we can't carry you all game. Gonna have to do something bro. BM has claimed some kind of vote-stealer. The fact that he claims it gives me hope that he's town, because I can see scum wanting to hide that power until necessary (Read: TL Mafia XLVIII). Jackal essentially won the game for us with it after we all mass-scum-claimed. *shrug* He's calling me scum, but I think he's just misguided. He doesn't believe it strongly enough to push my lynch, and others have expressed at least passing suspicion of me (Mattchew, layabout?, marvellosity). Would scumBM not have pushed my lynch under these conditions if he were "suspicious" of me? Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised? | ||
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On July 22 2012 05:05 Chezinu wrote: Can I have my own catergory, like maybe Crazy-???-Vets& ? There are two of you messengers. If town PRs are coming close to mirroring the powers of scum, then it's entirely feasible that you and Sandroba are both town. If you want me to believe this, then you're gonna have to do something besides troll. Between the two of you, you are FAR scummier than Sandroba and if it came to lynching you or no one I'd pull the trigger in a second. Because I'm TOWN, not some bullshit made up self-imposed third party. As it stands I believe that you're scum...that you and Sandroba are NOT mirrors of the Mafia-underbosses, that one of you mirrors the other. That one of you is a minion with the power to contact ANYONE, and that the other is the town equivalent. And based on how he used the power and how you used the power, you're FAR more likely scum in that scenario. | ||
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But don't take my word for it! Read the thread! | ||
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Truth. Hard opinion. | ||
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On July 22 2012 05:31 Foolishness wrote: Blazinghand He's trying so hard to act crazy like he does when he's town it's almost cute. Then where was your case on him yesterday? You equated you being on my list of lynch candidates as "people with cases against them"...where the piss was your case on BH yesterday if he's so obviously scum to you? | ||
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I'm just having a hard time deciphering what it is you expect of us Foolish. | ||
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On July 22 2012 06:15 Palmar wrote: I don't think Chezinu is sending the chezinu like messages and I don't think chezinu is scum. He as good as claimed he sent the message to me Palmar, I've said this like three times. | ||
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On July 22 2012 06:12 supersoft wrote: I cannot remember any game i played with GGQ. Can anyone link me one? America | ||
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TL Mafia L Filters | ||
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Berate thread for discussing D3 lynch Build case on BM In what way do those actions indicate that your intension is, as you claim, to focus the thread on lynching BH D3? | ||
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##Lynch Blazinghand <3 Prob. ##vote Chezinu Association tells are a go. Phoneposting. | ||
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##Unvote: Chezinu ##Vote: Palmar Sup bro? Suuuuup? I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum. On July 22 2012 10:25 Katina wrote: VE, what is your role? Why do you ask dear? | ||
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On July 22 2012 21:58 Bill Murray wrote: ill speak up here i had not one but TWO votes on BH at certain points to ensure a lynch furthermore, given foolishness pushing me so hard, my slot is looking pretty good to top it off, i have claimed an ability I KNOW is typically a scum ability im not wifoming Well as long as you're not WIFOMing - "to ensure a lynch" doesn't mean anything...when a lynch doesn't happen. You didn't have two votes on BH to avoid a no-lynch because a lynch never happened. You had two votes on BH at certain points, period. End of statement. Given Foolish pushing you so hard, I'd say your slot looks pretty good I agree - but understand that while he was pushing you he was saying all the while that he really wanted to lynch BH...who was scum. Now, I don't know what the point of defending yourself when I hadn't attacked you was, especially given your recent explosion into activity...but I have to say that I didn't like it. As long as you don't get in my way BM, we're gonna be just fine. | ||
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On July 23 2012 03:50 syllogism wrote: That would make VE/Probulous mafia and Probulous' role seems really weird to be a mafia role. I do think that Probulous choosing VE his target and VE immediately lynching BH is really strange. I suppose it would exlain WBG's role being in the game. Do you believe this is the case? | ||
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Syllo has said it, but I'd like to emphasize: if you aren't voting for Palmar, you're essentially claiming scum and we will lynch you for it regardless of Palmar's flip. We can't afford dissent. Our enemies, they're going to THRIVE on people following their own agenda because that's what they're ALL doing now. | ||
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What do you think of Bill Murray and his role-stealing vote-stealer? How about Palmar and his death-role-stealing claim? | ||
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Even if you have a town-read on Palmar (lol) you shouldn't be hoping he's just shape up eventually and start playing. He fucking won't. If Palmar pardons himself at the end of the day guys - I don't think I have to tell you where to aim tonight. But I'm gonna. Aim that shit at Palmar. | ||
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On July 24 2012 07:32 marvellosity wrote: oh ok Matt frankly i'm not gonna think too much until the flip. I think the best piece of evidence i saw on palmar was his defence of BH. But atm i don't have enough scumreads compared to # of scum whereas normally it's the other way round. So is that why you've tried to abdicate responsibility for pretty much every lynch? <3 | ||
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But no, it was just a playful jab..no elaboration needed. You picked up my meaning. | ||
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On July 24 2012 06:30 gonzaw wrote: Well shit, Palmar's claim doesn't make much sense actually. If he was Copycat he'd get Rol's role like other people said; if he could choose which role to get it'd be very powerful, and he would have likely chosen Kurumi's role instead (once Kurumi died), since he knew Kurumi had a nuke since D1. His posting on D2 doesn't see like a scum Palmar to me, would a scum Palmar put effort like that? Him just giving up right now is not making things any easier. I'll likely change my vote to him to consolidate, but I won't just sheep a vote on someone I'm not sure is scum so I want some more explanations first. What kind of posting would you expect from a scum Palmar? I mean, WITL2 is pretty much what I'm expecting from scumPalmar these days. | ||
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On July 24 2012 08:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Syllo is fine. If palmar flips town I honestly think there should be some sort of penalty for playing against his wincon. :/ You're exaggerating in a really really scummy way. Wanna elaborate on that point please? | ||
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YOU SUCH A BAUS <3 | ||
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Which, the "Foolishness coached me in the past" or your own response? | ||
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On July 24 2012 10:03 Chezinu wrote: What are the chances that the VP of Marketing would vote for Palmar? Pretty high I'd say with the voices that were after his blood. My money is on MZ, but that's gut speaking...I'm gonna do a full readthrough this half-cycle and see where we stand. | ||
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BH -> slOosh/risk.nuke/supersoft WBG -> Palmar Two flipped scums with two townie counterparts (one flipped, one ambiguous.) Now, Sandroba has flipped town as "Bossy Employee" so I posit that Chezinu is scum based on the information we have. Anyone wanna check my math here? | ||
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On July 24 2012 10:19 marvellosity wrote: It makes sense, but it doesn't have to be the case, if you know what i mean do you have any other reasons for thinking chezinu is scum? Do I need anymore? Should I mention his trolling town? How about his reluctance to do anything resembling helping town? Maybe his attempt to sway my opinion against Sandroba? I guess I could mention these things, but I already have...but I wouldn't expect you to go read the thread and find that out marv...not after the showing you're displaying. | ||
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But you know...that's just me. Maybe it's because I like the game so much. | ||
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On July 24 2012 10:32 Foolishness wrote: Okay, tomorrow we lynch either sloosh or gonzaw. GTFO SCUM | ||
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Do you want me to tell town your secret? Really? Because I was totally going to wait until we flipped Chez... | ||
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What do you make of the fact that Chezinu hasn't outted who he's messaged and no one has claimed receiving a message from him Probulous? | ||
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I find that extraordinarily unlikely given how much you like playing with your power. On July 24 2012 11:06 Probulous wrote: It means he didn't send a message Or that he was bussing his scum mates earlier like you suspected sandroba of doing. Or he sent a message to a dead guy. Or the person who received it doesn't want to post it. I need to recheck what messages come from where because it still confuses me. Shooting/lynching Chez because of his posting style is dumb. If that is part of your case, why have you not mentioned QBertz? Chez is making an effort at least. Did I ever say that his "style" is the reason I want him lynched? EVER? I want him lynched because I think he's the scum counterpart to Sandroba's role and because he was the genesis of why I was suspicious of Sandroba in the first place. For starters, Sandroba was "obvTown" because of the way he was using his messages...to try and out scum. Zealos dies tomorrow (assuming the momentum continues building) because of something Sandroba did with his powers. However, all Chezinu has done with his powers is troll and introduce confusion into the thread. Take the message he sent me: Kill sand if you want to know the truth... there be some communicahtions that are goingz about... these messages takes a lots of the times to get to where they be the be going... so you beetter bees the living when you the gets this! or your gonna have to the protect the Director of the Communication! He was the genesis of the idea that scum roles were mirrored in town - yet when sandroba flips this idea no longer holds any weight with him. Why? Well because it implicates him as scum of course! And of course, his style does into it. It's bad for town, makes the thread a chore to read, yadda yadda. I'm not staying long here because it has almost nothing to do with why I want him lynched. But it IS a point in favor of lynching him, so there you have it. You're not typically this....obtuse, Probulous. Considering the scum flip, I'd think you'd be pretty excited and happy. But your super-serious tone is sticking out like a sore thumb. You weren't pleased with that flip. Why? | ||
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He wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum. | ||
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I don't know why he does what he does, that's a byproduct of his playstyle which you're defending. My point is that he did put that idea in my head, he did back off it when Sandroba flipped, he did support the Sand lynch but he did not push the wagon. These are all facts, in the thread. | ||
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Tell me EXACTLY what happened when he "figured out your role name". Tell me how you know he "knew" your role name, and tell me why you think that it could have caused your mislynch. | ||
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He's promising to "shape up" now? Really? We just killed 3 scum in one cycle. THREE SCUM IN ONE CYCLE. Whatever the piss we're doing, we're doing it right. Now isn't the time to change things up, if you're a townie. Conversely if you're scum, something is going horribly horribly wrong. Between the two, who do you think is more likely to change it up and "shape up" now? | ||
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I wasn't until he said for the third time that he didn't think Chezinu sent me the message Chezinu told me he sent me. That clenched it for me. Oh, memories. Fondly recalled. | ||
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On July 25 2012 08:05 marvellosity wrote: lol @ clenched. only your buttocks dear. I don't follow, I pretty clearly was reading Palmar as town until midway through yesterday...to be honest, I'm astounded no one has called me out on it yet. | ||
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On July 25 2012 08:12 Probulous wrote: Why? You're clearly town, why cast doubt on you? It's a dumb play. I'm not - you are with this post. Interesting..... | ||
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On July 25 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote: Generally the word is 'clinched', VE <3 Thx! My spelling is atrocious on the whole...I rely heavily on spell-check and "clenched" obviously is a word. <3 | ||
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On July 25 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote: What were you referring to with this VE? Chezinu. Tired of people giving him a pass. | ||
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I hope you can intercept that message I sent to the mod then, oh powerful Director. It's probably too late for you, yeah? | ||
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In Memorial Friends, colleagues, superiors. We've just come out of a stupendous cycle. There's red blood everywhere. The walls are coated in the red blood of our enemies, but it has come at a cost. Several of our fellow employees have been unjustly, and unfairly let go. I'd like to take a moment to recognize a few. wherebugsgo, the Judge. As with all symbols of justice and order, wherebugsgo remained stoically suspicious of everyone right until his end. However, before he left us he had a few desires that went unsatisfied. I attempted to rectify one with my lynch of Blazinghand, the Hired Hitman. He eventually submitted to BH's wiles, but my Night-Kill analysis led me to believe that he was right about BH. Someone also took care of one of his suspicions in Foolishness, but wherebugsgo had many desires. Let's take a look at one of his final content posts. On July 19 2012 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message. As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon. Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like: Foolishness GGQ Meapak Layabout And potentially: Katina These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-). I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident) Of his list, I agree the most with his read of Meapak_Ziphh. I think that he should be the lynch tomorrow. Palmar backed off MZ hard, and I think there's a reason for it. I'd probably lynch layabout too, but I'm less sure on him. I'm null on Katina. I had her as a town-read before, but her insistence on slosh scum really irks me. It feels like she just closed her eyes and pointed…"Ehhhhh…YOU! You're the liar!" Sandroba, the Bossy Employee. Yeah, he was a pain to deal with…always taking such pride in ordering others around. But he was very obviously town right? (-.-) Remember that guy? His very first (important) act of the game was to trap Kurumi, AMERICA! Good times. He was also, however, one of the loudest voices speaking in opposition of Foolishness. Sandro left behind a couple of things unfinished, namely the lynching of Zealos and fulfilling of his win-condition of removing all illogical forces from the game. A noble cause, to be sure. I'm fine with killing Zealos tomorrow. He's not doing much in the way of helping town, and Sandro's catch on him changing the content of his reposted message is VERY damning guys. On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote: My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase. Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message. So damning in fact that he didn't even know how to respond to it. Read his posts surrounding the whole thing, and then take note of when he shows back up in the thread. Here is his final "target list". I'm pretty sure he wasn't calling people on the list scum, only calling them irrational and bad…considering what I can only imagine to be the rage at the Kurumi flip. On July 21 2012 09:26 sandroba wrote: THE GUILTY: 1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978 2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498 3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148 4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664 5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024 6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241 Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade! This was one of the lasts posts before he died. It's entirely possible there is more scum on this list than BH…heavily scrutinize all of these players, myself included. And finally, we arrive at Kurumi, the America!. I'm not going to waste breath talking about why doing what Kurumi did is a bad idea. What I AM going to talk about is his second lease on life - when he actually cooled off about Sandroba and started trying. Most of his focus surrounded Sandroba and the message claims (obviously, considering), and unfortunately nothing really jumped out at me. He mentioned Katina's vote-lists here On July 21 2012 08:34 Kurumi wrote: Katina, mind listing your mafia and town reads? Im going through your filter and there's a lot of mafia lists but you never seem to call anyone town... You are trying to control the chaos in the thread, but you simply don't have the presence or authority to do so. Why not pursue it harder? Why not pursue it more gently? Do you really care? Palmar's RL plan seems genuine and good. That's why I was up for it. His play looks a lot like bored town. He bring info on Q. He gives a lot of reads, some cases. I just got it how much it sucks that I am alive. It's Day 2 and scum are going to have enough intel to kill good people without them doing any justice. Damn it. You MUST preserve Town's reads. First Katina's post ticks me off in this moment: Like it's not the case like.. ALWAYS? Her reason to go against RL is pretty much none. Something's wrong here. Also compare this list: To this one: (I'll help) Even given the first list is based off votes on austin, I wonder why they're not in the second one... The two lists have only two names in common: syllogism and Bill Murray. Now, I would find this odd, except that reads DO change, and there ARE names in common between the lists. Names of players she has pushed for lynch. But I did find it odd how at ease she was in saying she wanted to lynch non-austin voters, only to back off them almost immediately into the following day. A minor point, and not lynch-worthy in my opinion. But I did think it was worth mentioning. This concludes my readthrough of the dead. Now for something completely different. Attention Liquicorp: A Message From Your King I've spent a lot of time talking about "mirror roles" and speculating about the topography of the setup in regard to the Power Roles. There's a reason. I was crowned King last night by Probulous and as it turns out, he has claimed my role over the course of the day. I am a Promotion Manager and I have the power to crown a king for the day. And because I'm a fair and just king, I have returned the favor and crowned Probulous King for tomorrow. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO "But VE! Surely by your own logic you must think he's scum then right?" Well, I don't know. That's my issue. Probulous is a phenomenal player and I've only caught him as scum one time…and that one time was mostly luck (he'll tell you ALL about it.) Everything. EVERY SINGLE ACTION HE'S TAKEN has appeared town motivated…save one. I've been crumbing my role since N1. Why is it that he noticed Chezinu "hinting" that he'd figured out Prob's role, but he didn't notice me blatantly bread crumbing the same role. I can only think of two reasons: 1) Because he thinks I'm his Executive 2) Because he knew my role and didn't want to out it. Consider: as town, before passing the reigns over to me he would have likely gone over my posts in detail right? I mean, it's possible he gave me the power on a gut-town read based on how I was pushing Foolishness that night - but I'm more inclined to believe that Probulous very carefully weighed his options in choosing me. Likely targets, how I'd use it, etc. Regardless of his alignment. So why then did he not notice breadcrumbs like these? On July 21 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Uh oh...Chez you naughty boy did you not read the OP or subsequent player questions? For shame. And to think, you were on the list of potentials for promotion. *tsktsk* On July 21 2012 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude read please - I'm considering sandScum now. My reads are in shambles. And you rofl at me? You're not getting that promotion either, sir. I can't reason it out, and it seems to me that a town Probulous would be made uneasy by something like someone crumbing HIS role. I know it took ME by surprise being crowned King when I hadn't used the power myself yet. So here's something he can be judged by. Probulous has the power to lynch someone tomorrow. Scrutinize his use of it. I wanted to give it to syllogism, but I'm too paranoid that he's an Executive (sorry bro …I'm still paranoid VE at the core.) Probulous at least has proven that he's reading the thread and that he's not an Executive. Therefor, Probulous controls an extra lynch tomorrow. Prob, I hope I'm insane and you're town. You've done a spectacular job if you're scum though. Kudos regardless of you're alignment. Your silverware awaits. House Chezinu There is seriously something going on with Chezinu guys. Seriously, you HAVE to go look at him tomorrow. He's claiming credit for every good thing that happens and decrying every bad thing that happens. He's claimed scum, town-aligned PR, self-imposed Third Party, and now, after he's "getting his way" and "doing all this good for town" and "making things happen" with his play, now he has "confessions" and is "changing his play" to be more "sane". I don't know - it seems to me that if things I wanted to happen were happening, then I'd have absolutely no reason to change anything up. Which is why, after being berated and ridiculed in this thread I've continued to play in a manner that I feel is helpful for town. However, the converse is true with Chezinu. First of all, he's been berated and ridiculed in this thread all game. It hasn't bothered him at all until now. WHY NOW?! Because he knows that he's going to come under scrutiny soon, regardless of his play-style. Players like syllo and Probulous aren't even looking at Chez now. But I guess they're gonna have too eventually, if Chez keeps on living and other players keep on dying. Chezinu MUST be scrutinized, sooner rather than later. tl:dr Zealos, Meapak_Ziphh, Chezinu, Probulous Probulous is King as of Dawn if he lives. Don't lynch syllogism tomorrow, but don't let him mislynch over and over either. Watch him carefully, as there are still TWO Executives running around. I can't even imagine who the other if MZ is one if it's not syllo since it's not me. I'm null on Katina. That is to say, I do not have a town-read on Katina anymore. She has just as much chance flipping scum as, say, gonzaw or Mattchew to me. Lynchable. Speaking of Mattchew, I wouldn't mind a Mattchew lynch tomorrow either, but that's completely gut. Completely. I haven't read his posts and I have a feeling that if I did I wouldn't have any better of a read (because he spent a fair amount of time calling me scum which, as many of you know, I cannot abide.) marvellosity is giving me mixed signals. I generally have no question of his alignment, (wrong or right) and this game I do. I can't figure out his alignment. So I think he needs looked at carefully. His reads post near the end of tonight was pretty good, but it seems like a summation of town-sentiment rather than his honest reads. Clear your eyes and SCRUTINIZE!! | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:13 rastaban wrote: I felt so unloved and forgotten until I read this. Thanks VE, maybe I am just a footnote but I view it as getting my own post! Consider yourself recognized sir. ^^ | ||
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Don't tell me you're not passive this game. You get right out of town. No really, leave bro. ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:30 marvellosity wrote: you know VE, I was gonna ask you what had been going on the last couple of days after the daypost. No such need apparently You know me too well. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:38 Probulous wrote: I have a very simple explanantion for not noticing your crumb. Who would expect two kingmakers??? Did you VE? Considering I've been considering the probability of mirrored scum to town Power-roles, then yeah...I was pretty much expecting a second kingmaker. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:40 Probulous wrote: Yeah but it is VE. I mean, like I said, I like his scepticism. No reason to completely trust anyone. Anyway, I am happy to be responsible for the lynch tomorrow. And I trust you'll use it to benefit town, regardless of your alignment. It's why I chose you. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:42 Probulous wrote: That's a hella powerful scum role. It removes town only real power. I highly doubt that scum minions have no idea who their managment or brethren are so giving them a kingmaker role screws over town majorly. It was partly why I was so confident in proving my alignment, I mean a scum kingmaker is pretty ridiculous. No, actually it doesn't...it doesn't REPLACE the lynch, it adds another. And while we're on the subject, Palmar flipped Pardoner. That's probably the sick scum role you're thinking of, and it's IN the game Prob. But I'm not arguing with you. You're the King. And you're certainly not the lynch for today unless something incredibly crazy happens. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:44 Probulous wrote: So essentially my actions are town, everything I have done is town but because you have the same role I am scum? I give you Kurumi and RoL as counter evidence. Yes not exactly the same role but certainly very similar and no similar role for scum. That's an awfully big assumption to make sir. It smack of having more information than I do, but again...stop trying to draw me into an argument. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No, now you're being thick. I was out most of the latter part of d1 (hence my late vote) I dealt with the situation in the thread when I got there. Not only that, but my read on rastaban d1 was still in it's infancy, I didn't even post a proper case until d2. Palmar was obvious because of his interactions with foolishness like I said, also his all around shitty play didn't help at all. I don't think I ever used the phrase "super-read" lol, I do think rastaban is scum but as I said previously, our lynches have all been used on people who I would consider practically confirmed scum due to circumstances in the thread. Regarding rastaban, I've been the only one on him, while I trust my analysis skills, I'm not going to try and lynch someone on my analysis over someone who's all but claimed scum (kurumi) or was just implicated by the flipped scum CEO (palmar). Then I'm sure you have nothing to worry about MZ. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: What I am concerned about is someone pulling a lone ranger act and shooting me without warning. You don't trust Probulous? He's great dude, look who he chose for king yesterday. | ||
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On July 22 2012 10:01 Protactinium wrote: The newly promoted VisceraEyes has spoken! Blazinghand the Hired Hitman has been dragged to the guillotine and executed for his crimes. | ||
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On July 25 2012 09:55 Mattchew wrote: So 2 outta my ~150 posts?... And it was for about an hour before I realized how rash I was being and how my logic was wrong... What part of "completely gut" did you misunderstand sir? If you're innocent then just trust that you're not on my red list for a reason. | ||
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On July 25 2012 10:07 Mattchew wrote: meh i just don't like that you think I am a good lynch tomorrow even when you name 5 scum in bold red At the risk of sounding like a douche....that's really scummy of you sir. | ||
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Scum you get ONE KP, and you can't even do THAT right? LOLOLOLOL | ||
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On July 25 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: btw, lol at your Mood emoticon, VE It's funny that you noticed it just now, it's been that way since my suicide vig shot on Bumatlarge (GF) in Election Mafia. It's good to be king, sometimes. | ||
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austin almost made my red list, but I thought I'd leave him off and see if anyone besides me notice. I might have known it would be you marv, where you been all game? | ||
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But you don't subscribe to my logic do you? Because you're attesting that you're town, and obviously you have a town read on me. So my logic is faulty. Fine. Do what you will with the lynch...but I know you're not an executive, so you don't know who scum are (at least, not with any kind of certainty) regardless of your alignment. If your choice is illogical or doesn't make sense or is scummy in any way, you have every eye on you watching what you do with it. It's like I said in my post - everything I've seen you do has looked like town to me. Everything. If you're scum you're doing a phenomenal job. This was my way of trying to "throw you a curve-ball" if you'll excuse the local idiom. | ||
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On July 25 2012 11:06 Probulous wrote: Ok, I think I get it now. You are basically trading one for one (in your mind at least). Given we have three scum dead that isn't a bad call. The only problem you have is there is no incentive for me (if I was scum) to not lynch a scummy looking townie. Or rather, avoid the scum I know. Given the number of targets we have it would be easy enough to justify. Curve ball accepted. I assume you want me to pick someone at least a little controversial, otherwise how do you get a read on me right? For shame Probulous, you want me to choose your target? Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it? I want you to lynch whoever you think has the highest chance of flipping scum, I'll give you no further instruction. I want the next blood I see to be red blood. | ||
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On July 25 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote: This is a fucking stupid dance. Lynch MZ cause you VE supersoft and syllo (and myself) all agree he is scum. This doesn't have to be some stare down between you and VE... /:| | ||
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On July 24 2012 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote: One at a time. After Palmer we slow the f*** down and reassess. If Palmer flips Executive, town is in a really strong position and we have time. Probulous has a kingly task ahead of him. Quit trying to pressure him into making a premature decision. Gah. | ||
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On July 25 2012 12:51 Q-bert-Z wrote: mod-kill avoiding post... I would also like to point out the fact that Chezinu, Bill Murray, and Viscera Eyes are all leading town discussion. What has happened to TLMafia? Progress. Improvement. Go away if all you're going to do is underhandedly insult people TRYING to play the game. | ||
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I'm happy to let you take responsibility for your actions. If you choose to not give reasoning that's your deal. I think layabout was a decent choice, though there are others I'd have chosen first. | ||
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On July 24 2012 08:34 Probulous wrote: Remember people, Day 1 only Foolishness knew his two subordinates. Palmar's play is very similar to Foolishness in that both of them softly pushed people who are likely scum and tunnelled those that are likely town. In Day 1 Palmar straight up called Sandroba confirmed scum and then tunnelled Syllo. However, despite Sandroba being "confirmed scum" and Foolishness pushing Syllo like crazy, Palmar opts to constantly soft push MZ. Why? I think MZ is the other executive and Palmar never knew this. Palmar is smart, he would easily pick up on how MZ was going with the flow on Day 1 but he cannot push him hard because of his vet status he might be an exec. Then suddenly come Day 2, he stops mentioning MZ at all. Why? Well because Foolishness has found a way to let his execs know who their buddy is. That's a pretty mighty inconsistency. This is the last time you mention MZ before I gave you the power to lynch. That means that you not only did NOT look over MZ overnight (not afraid of dying? Why not?), you also chose based on what would make you look good (X and Y could be construed as scummy...can't have that) rather than what's good for town (lynching scummy individuals) When I had the power, I didn't give a FUCK if it looked like I was trying to buy town cred by flipping who everyone wanted flipped or about the fact that I wasn't interested in lynching BH BEFORE getting the power or anything. I saw scum, I lynched scum. End of story. While the circumstances are slightly different, if we're the same alignment the reaction to receiving a lynch should be the same...which is "Whoa, I can lynch anyone I want! Let's get rid of scum!" ##Vote: Probulous I don't think you're town. I think if you were town you would have had the guts to pull the trigger on someone town wanted to lynch today. After all, there's always the chance town won't be able to consolidate on Zeal/MZ. The reasons you gave for lynching laya had nothing to do with laya. Period. You were asked "Why laya over others" not "Why not MZ or Zealos" and you answered the second question. You HAD to know that the question was coming, so why didn't you have evidence against layabout to justify your choice instead of a prefabricated response to what was sure to be asked? My mind can be changed. This is a gut vote, but I believe in it right now. Change my mind. Please. I don't want to lynch you if you're town...I just don't think that's the case right now. | ||
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supersoft, would you honestly have lynched MZ if I'd made you King? | ||
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On July 25 2012 14:35 Probulous wrote: I'm assuming someone was protected. Bugs dying night 1 could be explained by the medic protecting Sandro. Why he wasn't protected night 2 is a mystery though. If there was a vet around I would have expected a claim. Alternatively maybe there is a scum mechanic which can save shots for later? Or maybe they shot a bullet proof third party role... As far as I'm concerned the most likely scenario is that whoever is making decisions didn't make any decisions. I don't think there's any kind of medic role, as there's only 1 KP per night and a lot of people to kill in order for scum to meet their objectives. Scum are already given the ability to take away town's only weapon in the lynch because Palmar flipped Pardoner. I find it highly unlikely that there's a medic, or that anyone was protected from night KP. That's my opinion. I could totally be wrong, but at this point I don't care because no one died. Zippity doo dah day let's kill scum. | ||
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OMG this game is in the bag. | ||
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Everyone votes on Probulous. Do it immediately. | ||
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Oh I'm sorry, that flip pretty much PROVES that the power roles are mirrored. It DIRECTLY implicates you and Chezinu as scum. DIRECTLY sir. I don't care that you just lynched layabout, you could have had no idea that he'd flip scum. YOU ARE THE SCUM KINGMAKER PROBULOUS!!! | ||
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Would you be willing to lynch Chezinu with me Probulous? Because that's how this goes down, I'm mothafuckin VE and I've decided that this is the theory I believe. So you're going to help me prove it or you're going to die. If you vote Chezinu with me and the rest of town, you get to live until tomorrow, giving you almost 72 hours to convince everyone you're not scum. What's it going to be Beast Mode? | ||
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##Unvote: Probulous ##Vote: Chezinu To be fair, I had to try the bully thing. It works on weaker souls. | ||
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Your doing Great! VE. Just keep the suspension on me. Prob doesn't seem to be helping much though. By saying after sand flips that you would know my role, I mean I had his role! I was fake lynching sand (it was no where close - I even joked around about it in the thread, I even thought you did too) in hopes mafia wouldn't kill him. But they did.. If you noticed BEFORE Sand died, he was on my pro-town list along with you and Prob. By saying I would be Prob's leader I was implying I was a Bossy employee. Please don't tell him the truth. Let him believe what he much for town to be united. I will break it to him later, since I'm wasting this pm on you. I'll probably message him tomorrow. BUT THE MAFIA CAN'T KNOW THIS! Let them believe that I can see roles such as Prob's, the lawyers, and the craze employee. I said the mirror thing BEFORE Kurumi was dead and said if he was town then it means nothing! Oh and about the two missing messages. I was really busy one day and missed the deadline by minutes. The next one went to a seemingly pro-town player. I may reveal it later. Please just trust me. I'm making a huge risk by sending this pm to you because you could still be mafia who just gave away a free present for town. But you gotta take some risks sometimes, like I did with Prob -- and it sure was proven to worth wild. I rock the PM world, where I speak the truth to few. This time its YOU! YAy! oh and the host.. cause sometimes I go a little crazy without having someone to talk to. I don't have time to find all the quotes in the thread, but I make it quite obvious. I claimed that I'm a Boss many time before Sand flipped. Now that you know what to look for it should be easy. So yeah, I'm a Bossy Employee. Don't post this in the thread until maybe the next day or possibly a little later. Actually can you just ask me in the thread for permission? Cause revealing this pm would ruin my plans. Oh, and your the one who suggested sand. But we both realized he was innocent before it was too late anyways. But mafia killed him . Hopefully your attacks on me keeps me alive -- I was thinking that I was most likely to get hit by mafia at this time than town anyways. But I don't want to push my luck too much. So Chezinu is now NOT claiming that his role is called "Director of Communication" and it is instead called "Bossy Employee", the role that Sandroba flipped. Let it all sink in. Chezinu is talking about "his plans" and whatever, but he's been TROLLING ALL GAME LONG. I don't care at all about "his plans" because he hasn't seen fit to do town any favors by making a lick of sense all game. So whatever man, don't vote for him. I think enough people will because his playstyle is, in general, disliked. Hope you like popcorn. | ||
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Did both slOosh and supersoft claim the same thing? UGH, fine, I'll research the theory completely and write up a post or something. But guys, I'm pretty sure this is what's going down. | ||
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Probulous if you intend to swing this around on me I hope you have a contingency for when I flip town. I think you might be capable, but you now know that I'll flip town. Town, please pay attention to what's happening right now. MZ and Probulous are now colluding in light of my discovery. They're both hesitant to lynch Chezinu. I REALLY don't want to have to make a spreadsheet and hypothesize variables and convince you guys...just look at the flips, look at them. Both Bugs and Palmar were both TWO SHOT Pardoners. Two shot, as in both of them could do it twice per game. Neither one of them even considered using it to save their teammates, because neither one of them realized it could spiral like this. I'm actually glad Palmar was as uninvested as he was or he probably would have pardoned himself just to buy time. Honestly, it's what we've got - and seriously, we're way way ahead. Now, here's what I'm thinking: you scummy bastards are right, it is possible that Chez and Sand were mirroring the Executives...it fits with the theme, etc etc. I'm willing to wait on syllo's opinion before committing to action at this point. Can we all agree that if someone launches a nuke they're immediately lynched though? I mean, seriously, whether you're implicated by this theory or not, that's just TOO MUCH right? | ||
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We have information enough to decide a lynch with the claims we have. | ||
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You're absolutely a realistic lynch today, and it's in your best interest to accept that fact. Continuing to insist that you're unlynchable is like, so very scummy and you really need to stop doing it. So yeah, I guess I'm waiting to hear from syllo and marvel on what they make of all this. In the meantime, this is a pool of players I'll lynch into in a heartbeat. Meapak_Ziphh, Probulous, Zealos, austinmcc, BM BM because I think he might be the Trecherous Employee. A role that steals powers sounds like the kind of thing that looks for a CEO if you know what I mean. And that would give leeway for a role to not be mirrored, which could have been designed to throw this very kind of thinking off the scent. Ugh, so much wrapped up in this theory that fits. What would KILL it guys? Maybe that's where we're going wrong...maybe we should be figuring out if there's any way this DOESN'T work. For instance, Probulous being town (from my perspective) breaks this theory. That would be my path of least resistance if the goal is "breaking" my theory. Can anyone think of a way to break this theory that does NOT involve killing someone who has, in the last 2 cycles, single-handedly lynched scum? | ||
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Let me think about it. | ||
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##Vote: gonzaw Syllo I'd be happy to help you "brute force" this. I agree with your points against Gonzaw. Probulous, I think in spite of our differences, gonzaw is someone who can bring us together, as he did late in D1. Shall we work together in bringing him down, finally? | ||
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On July 26 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote: this has all gotten so crap for once i'm with supersoft ##Vote: Meapak_Ziph If it makes you feel any better, I'm TOTALLY down to consolidate in MZ's direction. But syllo's points on gonzaw are stronger than the case against MZ. | ||
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On July 26 2012 01:52 rastaban wrote: Chezinu do you know which CEO's minion we killed last night? one of them is leading in power once again. Probulous killed a minion of the Chairman, who was as far as I know the second minion of the Chairman to fall. Here's hoping the Chairman is the one calling the kills. LMAO | ||
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Kalooh Kallay! I'm keeping up guys and I'll post my thoughts plus lay down the vote for my preferred lynch sometime in the next 24. I'll say however that I'm pretty much fine with either of Gonzaw or MZ, so my preference is really just a formality as I'm willing to consolidate on either one of them. | ||
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Sorry guy, I get excited when I think I've broken a game. Upon further reflection, if you were scum I think you could have gone after someone more likely to flip town than layabout and excused it the way you did. | ||
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If we go 5 for 5 I'm throwing us a little party. I don't even care if scum are helping us kill each other off at this point - 4 in a row goes beyond "some scum ploy" and ventures into "we're doing something right". | ||
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On July 26 2012 09:59 Probulous wrote: Well I asked what you wanted and you threw it back in my face so I had to assume. Yeah well, I still thought you'd go after the almost universally accepted scum, especially considering you as much as SAID MZ would die the night previous. Hey wait, you said MZ would die and you lied to me! Why?! I totally forgot that until JUST NOW - when you first found out you were getting the power, you said IN THE THREAD that MZ would die. Why did you lie to me? I thought we were buds!! :~( | ||
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On July 26 2012 10:35 Katina wrote: That post was directed at gonzaw. I thought it was directed at me I was all Katina after slOosh and gonzaw are dead, who are your best bets for scum? What do you think about MZ? | ||
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##Nuke slOosh Guys this is big right? I'm reading over everything. | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:13 syllogism wrote: We don't want to nuke Sloosh anymore, ##nuke supersoft or gonzaw rather. Sloosh wins with town Yeah...and I thought I made it pretty clear I don't have a nuke... | ||
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I'm not saying I think that's the case syllo, but don't cast doubt on me for trying to figure shit out. Bullshit guy. | ||
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So that means that the Chairman of the Board and the President of Marketing are both only communicating with one other person each, and the minions are in constant communication, every half cycle. :/ The game is gonna be interesting from here on out. | ||
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I don't know, that's pretty null itself...but the fact that "something big" was coming and Foolishness died does seem to indicate that scum were shooting Foolishness. :/ I'ma digest this some more. So are you of the opinion that town doesn't have a vig then? | ||
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You realize there are SEVERAL players alive who "killed 2 scumplayers" right? | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:59 supersoft wrote: who? you? hillarious. Yes me! I lynched one singlehandedly and through direct action (giving lynch to Probulous) led to the death of another. What's the point of this post? Are you saying you're more "protown" than me because of your actions? Really? No, I want to lynch supersoft now. Fuck killing gonzaw, supersoft has been in here talking about how "confirmed town" he is and freaks the fuck out when there's even DOUBT cast on him. ##Unvote ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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On July 27 2012 05:07 syllogism wrote: Because it makes no sense at all for him to claim what he did unless he is the traitor trying to counterclaim? If Sloosh flips traitor, we would lynch MZ next. I also think it's more likely that the traitor can't post mafia PMs because that gives us too much information. If you believe this, then I'm with you. Otherwise....I don't even know what to think. That's the worst cop claim ever, so I don't believe it at all. ##Unvote ##Vote: slOosh | ||
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Lo, to be alone and insane. | ||
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On July 27 2012 06:55 syllogism wrote: Not at all, you have been very helpful, active and established your alignment early :/ My antics are usually ESPECIALLY despised by you syllo. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:00 rastaban wrote: No real ranking but top 4: Zealous - Hiding part of his role PM MZ - a useless Cop Claim Supersoft - his reaction lol You (as mole) +1, minor adjustment to order including ranking. supersoft immediately resorting to ad hom attacks was...unnecessary and only served to discredit me without addressing my concerns. In spite of that, I prefer MZ after Zealos because of the claim. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:10 rastaban wrote: If Slooshes posts are correct then it means that the mirror theory doesn't hold up. The mirror theory says Chez and Prob or VE are scum. One of the minions is either the Snoopy role or the Commuter That leaves one role left, meaning we have at least 2 of a certain role and also as of yet our real nuke has no mafia counter part. Commuter is active I think, I don't know what Snoopy does...any idea? | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:19 austinmcc wrote: I interpreted it as something out of seeing people taking night actions, seeing what the night actions were, and seeing targets for night actions. If it's a real thing, could have been useful to find town messengers? Use a list of targets to determine who received a message that wasn't from mafia, but it'd be difficult to make your teammates aware of your role and get information out, so that seems far fetched. Yeah any kind of informative role in the hands of mafia minions is like...not realistic when they can't talk to each other or their bosses. Yeah, okay. We wait for the flip to talk about what slOosh said. That's the only reasonable course. Probulous I know you're phone-posting. BM, can you confirm or deny supersoft's role having stolen his vote? | ||
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I had no idea :O | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:34 supersoft wrote: impressive reasoning power, now we know why. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM!? | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:37 syllogism wrote: That doesn't help much if the CEO is dead and even if he isn't the traitor can just post all the information at once if there is no restriction. We don't have to speculate about this as sloosh's flip will clear the situation. I know, but we're all just sitting around with our thumbs up our asses in the meantime, so why not? But whatever, I'll just work then. I was just thoroughly enjoying the game as it's been playing out today. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:38 supersoft wrote: my problem is, that you dare to attacke me without even reading through my filter. That's my problem. That doesn't give you license to attack me personally for no fucking reason. I hope you're modkilled. | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:05 syllogism wrote: Well the chairmans only know 4 mafia each and they risk giving the traitor additional information. I think they specifically asked hosts how big lists of names their orders can include and four was the max. WTF? | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:17 Probulous wrote: Reminder to myself: Go back through thread and check on people who repeatedly mention how chaotic the game is. If these PMs are true then scum would want us to feel like the thread is chaotic. I noticed that a lot of people were using that specific word which was odd to me because I don't find the thread is chaotic at all. Big yes, but Chaos no. Given it was mentioned was a strategy here it may be a way of them staying on message and outing themselves to each other. Hunch but worth looking into. gonzaw and Katina come to mind. Mostly gonzaw. | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote: This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE | ||
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On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote: I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it? | ||
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Not if we both have one...Janitor is exclusively beneficial to mafia. | ||
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What's funny is what you mistook for him knowing your role was him calling you an Executive. LMAO That's how I read it anyway. | ||
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Wasn't he presently in control of the mafia when he did that? Wasn't he......wasn't he like the new CEO or something? | ||
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This game is SO EFFING STRANGE. I'm rereading. | ||
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DAMNIT!!! CHEZINUUUUUU!!! Syllo you should post your full thoughts before dawn. I think scum are going to attempt to....finish what they've started with you. | ||
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Or am I misinterpreting things? | ||
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You know, the like. So there's evidence against risk that directly implicates gonzaw. I can kinda see the third being QbZ but obviously we're going lynch by lynch at this point. One at a time. GOD THERE ARE SO MANY OF YOU!!! | ||
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Maybe he's the third scum instead of QbZ. *shrug* Chez I tried to understand you this game bro, I really tried. But in spite of my failing, I still had fun in trying. :D | ||
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On July 28 2012 07:06 syllogism wrote: No, katina is clearly mafia due to not posting that message she got earlier and because to "incriminate" chezinu mafia had to know the content of the message chezinu sent to her All the offending message says is "I'm lonely, figure it out" or something right? Why would that require knowledge of what Chez sent to Katina? | ||
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On July 28 2012 07:21 syllogism wrote: Well whatever, I'm done speculating and explaining. I could be wrong or right, but we can just ignore the messages for now and lynch katina/gonzaw first. We have enough lynches to go through all the parties involved. Yeah I'm fine with waiting for more info. As I said, if we're limiting to those two, I prefer Gonzaw. Like...rather than answer gonzaw's (then still mounting) suspicions he brushes them aside as "oh it's just confirmation bias at this point" which could be true or not, but it seems an innocent gonzaw, as verbose as he tends to be, would explain in great detail why Probulous is mistaken. The fact that he didn't seems to indicate that he can't or doesn't care to...which given the amount gonzaw has been posting, it seems more likely that he can't. | ||
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Psh, whatever they can just WIFOM over who I prefer at this point. Hear that guys?! I DON'T KNOW who I want to go first! Figure it out! | ||
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I posted the entirety of the message Chezinu sent me. | ||
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I can see her playing this way as town Syllo, but I have to emphasize that Katina has fooled me hard before. I agree with austin...Katina might be scum, but I don't think we should start there. | ||
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But I see what you're saying. | ||
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It must have been censored...it must have been a very damning smiley :O | ||
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SO MANY SCUM TO LYNCH!! ^^ | ||
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On July 29 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: well, yea. we're gonna be surprised at some point probably. This. Maybe once Gonzaw is gone scum will surrender...he's notorious for "never give up, never surrender" isn't he? | ||
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That actually says something about the median skill-level of the players in this game, I'm thinking...all things considered. | ||
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*sniffsniff* You guys are like....*choke*....so smart *compose* It has really been a pleasure working with most of you. | ||
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For being an enemy of the state without filling out the proper authorization forms. | ||
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I'm rereading QbZ and Katina, but I agree that everyone should claim at this point. | ||
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Anyway, it doesn't matter. The next thing you should be doing is explaining how you've been using your power to try and help town. All it looks like you've been doing has been attempting to introduce confusion and doubt into the thread with it. ##Vote: QBertZ | ||
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I believe Hiro's claim because of the "Trust me " post. | ||
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@Hosts: I thought the game was very fun, and I enjoyed the mechanics. This felt more like what I wanted from the Sleeper Cell games. I'm looking forward to part II. | ||
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I stand by my statement - supersoft summed it up nicely in his rage. The consensus is that I get lucky. It's good to know that's not unanimously considered to be the case. | ||
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On August 01 2012 05:23 marvellosity wrote: do we tell Probey now that he only wins when he's on the same team as you and me? He's a big boy, I think he can do basic arithmetic. | ||
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e: Looking back, did you interpret your role as you CAN'T claim? Because it looked to me to be just advised against. | ||
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On August 01 2012 05:32 supersoft wrote: sorry VE, it's part of my play to provoke players. :-/ I hope you forgive me. + QbertZs reaction confirmed him to be scum for me. (asking for a modkill lol) And you should eat your hat now, btw. You played very well. happy birthday ;-o It's cool, better players than you agree with you. And yeah, I'll post a pic when I have time. A REAL pic...of me REALLY eating my hat. Unlike some imitators you might be familiar with. | ||
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On August 01 2012 02:11 Protactinium wrote: Day 7: Everybody spent the day thwomping each other with rulebooks. Fortunately the good bureaucrats had trimmed the rules significantly, so nobody was hurt by a little paper. VisceraEyes has been given night-immunity and has given two votes for the remainder of the game. Zealos the Entrepreneurial townie has been modkilled by not posting for three days. You have 48 hours to vote but if you nearly unanimously decide on a lynch I will end it faster. You don't remember that? Oh, that's what I would have done with your power if I were scum. Or something along those lines. Yes you were outted by the snoops, but still...mod-confirmation can be incredibly strong. Worth a shot, right? | ||
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Like, imagine if Foolish hadn't been implicated in the opening post (PCP Enterprises...after No clues is in the OP. LOL). Imagine further if Foolish had been playing his standard town game. Imagine further that he found and lynched a whole branch of his team. Imagine how far he could have gotten with 2 partners who know who he is, 3 minions who know 1 of the people who know who foolish is, and a whole town of people following him because he's consistently lynching scum. The game seems to have been designed around the length of the game, and I think that's something the scum team didn't really account for. If Foolish had done some serious bussing early on and lynched a couple of scum, his cred would have been sufficient to at least avoid a vig shot. He might have still had to contend with the lynch, but that would have changed the game entirely. I don't think it's imbalanced in favor of town...at least, not if the scum-team is going to be playing ball. | ||
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So not at the end, no. e: And I meant what I said...in spite of my illogical idiot brain telling me you were scum, upon rereading I couldn't find a single thing that I thought you would do as scum. | ||
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Okay Q - remove the mask. Who have we been playing with? | ||
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On August 01 2012 10:32 layabout wrote: Not knowing your teammates is a tremendous advantage if you want to survive. Minions should not have given a rat's buttock about secretly figuring out who their team mates were. This game gave mafia the tools to play to their town game's. The biggest real issues for minions were the anonymous PM's, BM's stealing power and the difficulty of having to play out a very long game. ^ THIS ^ I hide behind my town-meta in most games I roll scum, and I was PRAYING to roll minion this game. | ||
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On August 01 2012 10:56 austinmcc wrote: Would have been interesting to see how the game played out had you gone for gonzaw. Indeed...there were plenty of people not willing to lynch laya for his little display. e: ...although this is probably part of the reason you chose laya in the end, I'm assuming. | ||
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On August 01 2012 11:04 layabout wrote: Day1 was dominated by everyone and their mother thinking that kurumi was scum and then deciding not to lynch him. Somewhere along the way sandroba became confirmed town and wbg and him had huge thread presence. Once this happened mafia had very little ability to control the thread and going after either one of them would very likely have gotten you lynch because there was next to no reason for a townie to doubt them. When you consider that day 2's lynch was decided from the offset it should be no surprise that mafia activity was so low and remained low for the rest of the game. Here's where you lost me. Don't be afraid of so-called "town leaders" dominating the thread - a wise rapper once said... YOU GOTTA TAKE THE POWER BACK!!! Like, at that point, there had been NO scum lynches guy...NONE. NO ONE was so confirmed that simply opposing them would earn you the rope. I mean, I was never pushed as a lynch candidate in spite of loudly and often calling Sandroba and syllogism scum all effing game. | ||
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Thankfully, my senses returned before scum could jump on the opportunity to really nurture that seed of doubt. | ||
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On August 01 2012 11:26 layabout wrote: ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER! But you do that all the effing time as both alignments. If i had called sandroba scum particularly after i was labelled scum for being away i would have bee treated like scum by the enitire thread and been lynched either that day or the next. Sandroba was clearly town based on the role he had claimed, his usage of it, and his play in previous games. Besides the only reason you called Sandroba scum was because of some bussing theory based off of something that cheznui wrote. Once a player has people following them with votes you either have to cast doubt on them which puts you at great risk or treat them like they are town. See that's where we disagree...you going after thread-leaders would have made you seem townie to me. Cowering in the shadows while others do the bulk of the posting is far scummier than calling down people up on a high-horse. 10 times out of 10. On August 01 2012 11:26 Probulous wrote: I see, well it worked out in the end. Thanks I guess. I never realised you thought my scum play was that good. Your town play is good - why would your scum play not be good? And I only LUCKED into catching you in that C9++, remember? | ||
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It does, but you have to keep in mind that at that point, people just wanted you to say SOMETHING sir! lol And going after loud people you disagree with is EXACTLY what I'd expect town layabout to do. | ||
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On August 01 2012 18:07 syllogism wrote: I know palmar well enough to know he couldn't be town based on just some of his reads and wording choices. Of course, explaining this kind of subtle things to everyone else wouldn't be very convincing. What sealed it for me was his insistence that it wan't Chezinu sending me messages when Chezinu had admitted to sending me messages, indicating that he clearly wasn't even reading the thread. That's not what townPalmar does. I've seen townPalmar get lazy with it, but only in terms of posting. He always at least reads what people are saying. | ||
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On August 01 2012 23:44 Katina wrote: WOOOOOO!!!!! WE ARE VICTORIOUS! I WASN'T MISLYNCHED!!! Hey good game madame. I know syllogism thought you were scum, but I think you did an okay job of establishing your innocence and a really good job of finding scum. ^^ | ||
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On August 02 2012 10:29 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, I'll just go out there and take a guess: Pandain perhaps? If not then maybe what Palmar said (nisani/sinani) I assume the continued anonymity is in the name of being able to use the smurf again in the future. To that end, guessing or discussing the matter is futile. That being said, I doubt it's either of the 'ani's. | ||
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On August 03 2012 01:13 Kurumi wrote: 33% I could hit mafia. Considering that D1 ended in a no-lynch it wasn't that bad. EDIT: I couldn't quite hold on the nuke. Quit rationalizing. Accept the criticism or don't, but you're not convincing anyone that your shot was good. Because it wasn't. Your D2 play, however, was good aside from the tendancy to OMGUS anyone who tried to interact with you :/...but you DID try once you didn't get lynched or blown up D1, and for that I thank you. | ||
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On August 03 2012 01:26 marvellosity wrote: No, nuke has to be launched 12+ hours before lynch deadline. Semantics dear? Honestly? | ||
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